Coding My Own Text Editor Again (Ded S02E01)

References:
- Source Code: github.com/tsoding/ded
- Rope Data Structure: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rope_%2...
- Noed Text Editor: github.com/tsoding/noed
- do/while(0) trick: stackoverflow.com/questions/1...

[@alexs6986]

I think it would be really cool if you did Advent of Code using only tools that you built: text editor (ded), programming language (porth), ...

[@gustavoh5143]

the most impressive skill this man has in my opinion is to be able to code without having a colorful code

[@kiryls1207]

at the beginning of my dev journey i didn't like colors so i programmed without syntax highlighting black text on white background also I can't see s#it anymore

[@nofeah89]

isnt he using syntax highlighting?

[@0ia]

Took me a month to get used to no syntax highlighting. Improved my ability to reason about code.

[@SoftBreadSoftware]

@@nofeah89 a minimal syntax highlighting yea, keywords, variable names, comments.

[@biggestthreattoyourexistence]

You know you're nuts when you code your own text editor.

[@mitya]

It's nice to see the way of thinking and the insights of a fellow developer :) One small note: your way of handling line ends assumes that EOL is always one character. You may want to reconsider that, in order to be able to handle files with ' '

[@jan_harald]

just store the line ending char, replace it with one character (like ) and then replace back ;P basically dos2unix file.c;$EDITOR file.c;unix2dox file.c

[@ocaly]

I was about to comment this. Microsoft Windows problems :D

[@mitya]

@@jan_harald well, hey, good luck with that and to whoever hires you to do a software engineer job :)

[@mitya]

@@ocaly No, it is not. We don't always choose the source of the files we need to work with. It a complex world, with multiple OSes and their quirks. Basic compatibility is important. Otherwise you're just going the way of Microsoft, Apple and others whose motto is: "It's our way or the highway". Linux is about freedom of choice as well.

[@jan_harald]

@@mitya you basically never want mixed line endings anyway, and use tr, unix2dos, sed, python, or whatever, with text files it's easy and common to convert them like that, heck, git loves to auto-convert the files FOR you, so go ahead and fire git's developers while at it ;P obviously nothing applies 100% of the time, but I doubt that you'll be working with text files which must contain mixed line endings, or which cannot be converted like that, nobody sane writes literal newlines into strings and stuff, if they care about what bytes come out the other side

[@Zwiebelgian]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="117">1:57</a> „… like all other text editors…“ Vim:

[@TsodingDaily]

Interesting! I never noticed that! Even though I've been using vim for quite some time already...

[@root317]

exactly my thought lol

[@batatavoadora1136]

@@TsodingDaily I'm pretty sure you can enable the cursor wrap, but the default is off

[@mndtr0]

@@batatavoadora1136 set whichwrap+=,h,l,[,] I'm find that

[@lucaslindgren3237]

You're really good at coding bro

[@ecosta]

About the limits of C around <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2760">46:00</a>. I never thought about it, but I would love to see what Tsoding thinks about using a subset of C++ just to overcome C limitations, since C++ is meant to be compatible with C.

[@Bobbias]

I can't speak for him, but I get the feeling that if he viewed that approach favorably he'd be writing code that way in his videos. It's not difficult to write C with a few C++ features sprinkled in if you want to (though I believe there would need to be some changes to accommodate the switch). If I had to guess, I suspect the downsides of C++ would outweigh the benefits, even given that you can still write C++ in a very C-like manner.

[@kurciqs8355]

finally saw the keyboard

[@peduran1987]

Awesome stream, thank you thank you thank you!

[@amosnimos]

The text editor I coded added nothing original, but yours actually inovated the ehole concept by using a dynamic camera system. It may not be the most practical thing but it's very cool and unique, I don't like the rainbow color and would like a green crt glow instead but that's a good start. By taking some inspiration from the cool retro terminal this project could really shine.

[@Jack-sy6di]

a realistic green phosphor look, so when it's very zoomed in you can actually see scanlines and bloom, would be cool

[@titanovsky]

с новым годом!

[@Tiger_CZ]

Hello, great video. I just want to point out (idk how to say it politely, but I dont want to offend you) you have or youtube has a mistake in references. The link to rope data structure is missing ")", but it is actually written after the link.

[@j-wenning]

I was kinda hoping this would involve some sort of interacting with a piece table. I guess the point of this isn't necessarily to make an absurdly efficient editor though.

[@nvpyt2235]

Hey man, I was looking for a great place to start learning python (or how and where to learn it) and I was wondering if you have any good places that you know of that I can learn? Nice video BTW

[@Ryan-xq3kl]

holy fuck amazing work dude

[@energyman100]

What did you use to do that zoom in and highlight with your mouse at <a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="20">0:20</a> ?

[@CarterColeisInfamous]

YATTSE - Yet Another Text TSoding Editor

[@IveGotBeef]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2466">41:06</a> i did not expect that reference

[@BryanChance]

Briliant!

[@mndtr0]

Is you usually use Emacs?

[@alexvitkov]

the 2nd link in description is missing the closing bracket

[@luizfelipeg.5364]

Okay, in my mind noed, cannonically stands for 'no one escapes ded'

[@NateROCKS112]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="422">7:02</a> I haven't finished yet, but couldn't you just store the indices to the beginning of each line? The next newline is just at the next `lines` index minus one.

[@izergaer]

ne again, a snova

[@MrRegdis]

have you ever considered setting another camera just for your hands/keyboard?

[@pedropesserl]

actually GREAT idea. I would be very entertained by that

[@abrarmasumabir3809]

He is using hhkb that's a great keyboard!

[@KoshakMine]

Чел харош, редактор "Дед"

[@D-V-O-R-A-K]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="450">7:30</a> Why store the location of , when always == (the next line's start position - 1)?

[@rakanottrubick1857]

dude im quite new to programming and tell me how it is even possible to make text float like that, changing color mid-character? That seems literally impossible

[@TsodingDaily]

But if a video game was doing something like that you would not be surprised?

[@kawaikaede2269]

yay

[@lucifer-5ybtn]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="85">1:25</a> what is the name (model) of the keyboard that you’re using? It sounds really nice

[@rubenarce5514]

It seems like HappyHacking keyboard

[@c4llv07e]

It is qwerty keyboard.

[@SimGunther]

HHKB2

[@hanqnero]

@@SimGunther Hell that costs a lot

[@ValuedValue]

@@c4llv07e 😑

[@berndeckenfels]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2930">48:50</a> when doubling clamp it to a max increment (2gb) and also to maxinteger

[@TheApgreyd]

Рад, что наткнулся на канал

[@noeldc]

What's with the stats at the bottom of the screen? :)

[@shivampatel4595]

I noticed that too😂

[@ltvnf]

seems like Apple epic keynote shit. :o "One more thing to C"

[@bibliusz777]

could you do a video on using GPU framework independent?

[@robimuhammad95]

This is lit 🔥🔥 This will be great if we use it on VR virtual monitor 🔥 Is this the future of text editor? 🔥

[@chriskerwell-gresla4403]

Hhkb - tasteful

[@CaterpillarOGM]

porn folder 8.1 Gb?

[@user-jm3xl7rg5k]

Only 8.1 GB?? )))

[@eyephpmyadmin6988]

Have your text editor have an auto word finishing but with some python or rust, I've always wanted one that works for rust

[@texoport]

pog

[@Omena0]

Bussin GriddyCode????

[@gsilva877]

My text editor 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@sangramsingha11]

Here me configuring neovim.. 😀

[@ValuedValue]

? Bro what's written in the bottom? Corn folder : 8.1gb

[@Solomonwo]

Lmaooo

[@twentyeightO1]

He probably made his own porn in C, you know using his own graphics library.

[@abdullahkhaled6162]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="20">0:20</a> how do you do this in x11?

[@flleaf]

his application called "boomer" on github. can't post links on youtube because youtube

[@LongestYardstick]

where did you go? I miss your videos :( we will support you with patreon if you want money

[@xnhp3]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="67">1:07</a>:26 still see some tea left.

[@callisto960]

What keyboard

[@rubenarce5514]

It seems like HappyHacking keyboard

[@starc0w]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="3042">50:42</a> Thx for sharing your stuff! Isn't it a problem if you lose your old pointer (da)->items when realloc fails?

[@rndtrash]

as you can see in the code, after failed realloc tsoding is gonna ram-shame you :)

[@starc0w]

@@rndtrash Haha, yes, true! :-) (Nonsense was written here)

[@VojtaJavora]

@@starc0w you have to define NDEBUG for assert to do nothing. Just don't do that and problem solved.

[@starc0w]

@@VojtaJavora(Nonsense was written here)

[@VojtaJavora]

@@starc0w what release mode?

[@neilvninja]

HHKB :D

[@______9364]

<a href="#" class="seekto" data-time="2465">41:05</a> :)

[@nneural]

bro i would give away all my money for that.

[@crazygames1144]

How bout you make a text editor inside your text editor

[@OggieSutrisna]

what font is he use?

[@francoisdulaurier6365]

Victor Mono

[@auntiecarol]

@@francoisdulaurier6365 Looks more like Iosevka to me.

[@francoisdulaurier6365]

@@auntiecarol Thanks for a nice font I didn't know! Tsoding said he used Victor on a previous video.

[@auntiecarol]

@@francoisdulaurier6365 I am happy to be proved wrong! How else do we learn?

[@cyanmargh]

ha, дед

[@ItsSchwifty]

ded

[@RuslanKovtun]

You are moving 4M of data on each insert/remove operation and caring about view/representation of the cursor..

[@wubsyman5796]

Hahah took me way too long to realise the text at the bottom is a joke lmao

[@zyxyuv1650]

My comment got censored check your quarantine.

[@yashkalyan]

Code - Gym - Temple - Repeat. But you look like just code bro, take your health also in consideration.

[@SimGunther]

If you take the good parts of C, JAI, Odin, Racket, Rust, Erlang, Prolog, Verse, HolyC, and Smalltalk, I'm sure that'll make for a much better language that most would be willing to work in. The big problem however is that legacy code exists, so we'll just have to empower people to make new legacy code with this "uber-language" that fixes plenty of problems with C but introduces its own problems like you said in the C rant ;)

[@5omebody]

but what are the good parts of each language?! it's worth noting that many of the languages have conflicting goals... a lot of things exist as a duality - you can have one at a time, or the other, but not both. and often optimizing for one means your language needs to be designed around it, preventing you from optimizing for the other. and if you try to do everything... y'know what they say - jack of all trades, master of none. in this case it's forced, by not prioritizing one over the other you _must not_ optimize for one usecase by making another usecase less optimized. and as a result you end up with a language architecture well suited for none of the things, and badly suited for all of them

[@FelixNielsen]

C is a good language. C is a proper language. C is great! Seriously, it hurts me to my soul, to hear you say such things about C, not because I feel any need to defend C, it is hardly necessary, but because it rather affects my (for lag of a better term) respect for you. I thought you where one of the few who actually understood C, end perhaps even understood the value of not abstracting away, everything that is fun and interesting, and how counterproductive it really is to do so. This is not to say that C is perfect, not even close, and it never will be, until such time as we can all agree on what makes the perfect language, and I think we can at least agree, that this is never going to happen, so we have to make due with the resemblance of perfection, that is C, for the foreseeable future at least, as I very much fear that C is, slowly but surely, going the way of C++, looking at the C23 specs. I sure hope that I am wrong. There was a time when C++ too was great, when even I, used and appreciated it, but now there's basically nothing left, of the C++ I knew, so I do C instead, and quite frankly, I'm happy to do so. I'm glad to be forced into comprehension, in order for things to actually work, and I do not believe for a second, that any other language is really more efficient or enables higher productivity, as so many would claim. In short, it simple creates harder problems/bugs, which can then be solved after release, maybe, when the paying user has had plenty of time to appreciere the flaws, which will then, in turn, create other problems, and so on and so forth, for no other reason, than not enforcing the comprehension that enables developers to do their work properly, because of the illusion of increased productivity. Well, enough ranting, and I may well be an utter moron, but I firmly believe these things, and I have a very hard time respecting anyone, who actually labels C, a bad language. Seriously, I cannot believe you're actually serious. Must be a language barrier, or something.

[@Ryan-xq3kl]

Modern C++ is quite nice too, it is just not fun for messing around with or writing small scripts. Whenever I write C++ with a focused goal and design for my program I get clean fast small highly abstractable code. Smart pointers for example are a blessing and clean up much of the issue with raw pointers and garbage collection in one swing.

[@FelixNielsen]

@@Ryan-xq3kl I must admit that I have been out of the loop, when it comes to C++, for rather a long time, since I gave up, keeping up, but that being said, back they, it was rather my impression that many, if not most, wrote wrote code in C++, including myself, didn't really write C++, but rather C, employing a few nice too haves from the C++ superset, but never really using the language, as indented. Perhaps it is indeed the case, that the days of constant and significant changes, and not least additions, to the language, quite often in an entirely wrong direction, seemingly without any consideration for the larger picture, are over. Perhaps I should investigate further, though it won't really change all that much, as I will never become a fan of OOP and excessive, and unnecessary, abstraction. In fact, I am rather of the opinion, arrogant though it may sound, that any programmer who honestly prefer that kind of abstraction, that outright discourages fundamental comprehension, is not any more of a programmer, than the average jocker, is an Olympic sprinter. Learning a programming language, does not a programmer make, anymore than learning Chinese makes you, well, Chinese. You have to understand their society, history and culture, to even come close, and even then, it may be so foreign to you, that you're really not able to. This is exactly what I see as the greatest problem, in the software industry. You take what others have done, and blindly add what is missing, and expect things to just work, because that is how it is supposed to work, lean back, and accept people to just accept the status que, and hand over their money, in return for a defektive product that may, at some point in the future, get fixed to a point, where it is actually useable. I really don't know why I cannot sit down, at a keyboard, without ranting for hours on end, about things, that normal people care little about, but there you have it. The sad thing is, i actually mis rather significant parts of C++, still, but at least I know what I'm doing, even though I'm getting nowhere fast.

[@reinhold1616]

he says he hates all languages equally. plus you put way too many commas.

[@_inetuser]

@@FelixNielsen but do you think in a complicated world it is feasable to not use others peoples code and still be time effective?

[@FelixNielsen]

​@@_inetuser Yes and no. It's a balance act. I'm not saying not to stand on the shoulders of others, simply not to do so blindly, and to not have others stand on your shoulders, at the same time, to employ, I think, a reasonably apt analogy. As for the time efficiency argument, if you keep your deadline, and thus am time efficient, but release a product that is so flawed, that it doesn't live up to even the most reasonable of expectations, which rather seem to be the norm these days, considering the time you'll spend fixing it, customer support, not to speak of the bad press, administration of refunds and so on, I hardly think you can actually claim to have kept your deadline, but of course, on paper, it very much looks like it, and that is what matters to those in power.

[@krillin3613]

This is so cool i would love to get this working on windows! does anyone have the current version working on windows?

[@markcuello5]

HELP

[@OSeuGall]

sorry, maybe this is not, but i read: "Porn-folder" in the code editors footer. just commenting

[@BrainChili]

WHY ARE YOU WEIRD

[@kamal3777]

The waffle house has found its new host

[@ruman3726]

Че по английски шпрехаешь, а не на родном великом и могучем?

[@hahamartin6595]

hi tsoding ,my english is bad ,but l like your stream about programming , recently i watch your stream about context free grammar but now l can't find the stream url . can u packing the stream ,and upload the youtube? thanks @Tsoding Daily