INTJ vs INFJ - Type Comparison

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@bcazz5202
@bcazz5202 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for saying INTJs are empathetic. The stereotype has bothered me for years.
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
No worries, it bothers me too!
@qasimimtiaz114
@qasimimtiaz114 4 жыл бұрын
Same
@cazbee6126
@cazbee6126 4 жыл бұрын
B Cazz, just noticed your handle :)
@17x71
@17x71 4 жыл бұрын
@Serra 힘 Kerrick dude. You're an obvious INFJ. Shut up and quit spreading misinformation when you know nothing... You literally just explained the fundamental aspect of Fe... Goodness...
@Celldweller455
@Celldweller455 4 жыл бұрын
@@17x71 Dude, what are you trying to accomplish here aside from acting like an immature child? If you actually want to have a rational conversation with her, don't come at someone with insulting and demeaning terminology. It's quite obvious that you're not truly wanting to talk but just saw someone that you thought you can troll. You insulted in the very first comment you left by telling her to shut up and claiming that she knows nothing. She knows who she is and what her type is far better than a random troll on the internet. Your whole argument is based on one comment that you saw, that by no means gives you any sort of real insight into who the person is. I truly hope that at some point, your life comes to have more meaning so you can stop sitting around being an asshole on the internet, because you feel you have a sense of anonymity, and start treating people with the respect they deserve.
@IvyTeaRN
@IvyTeaRN 4 жыл бұрын
This is the closest thing to actual science i've seen in an mbti guide, well done!
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
Ah, thank you!
@BringMeGiants
@BringMeGiants 3 жыл бұрын
I've watched probably 80% of every personality type video from every content creator on KZbin and... you are the king.
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, that means a lot!
@artKarolina
@artKarolina 3 жыл бұрын
From an Intj perspective, having feelings and emotions all over the place like a messy room is inefficient lol. I put them all away in neat drawers.
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 3 жыл бұрын
Perfect analogy!
@sangitaekka
@sangitaekka 4 жыл бұрын
INTJ and an artist. Yes, we exist.
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
Yes indeed!
@SannaJankarin
@SannaJankarin 3 жыл бұрын
I wanna be a teacher and a writer. So yeah :D
@artKarolina
@artKarolina 3 жыл бұрын
Cool! I'm also an artist and know a couple more INTJs that are artists.
@TheMurray1922
@TheMurray1922 3 жыл бұрын
Hello, Im one of those. :)
@mellowblueu
@mellowblueu 3 жыл бұрын
same lmao
@johnjackson4331
@johnjackson4331 3 жыл бұрын
In my opinion, one thing is particularly evident when an INTJ and INFJ develop feelings for somebody. The INTJ starts imagining some type of future with them by using their Ni before finally deciding to start a serious relationship in relatively less time and they see the picture which is clear to them but might not be clear to the other party. This makes the INTJ not see the emotional reason why this other person might be unsure of where they are in this emotional road and I reckon this is connected to the unconscious Fe of the INTJ. So, they often end up pursuing that other person unless they come to the conclusion that the future can never be possible to achieve and they start to pretend that this other person doesn't exist (the famous door slam). However, an INFJ tends to be fairly oblivious of what they want from an emotional perspective and might be slow to figure it out because their Ni works with their Ti more than Fi, consecutively making them think about their internal logic more than their emotions while deciding on starting something serious. Nevertheless, it might be easier for them to figure out what the other person's feeling because of their use of Fe, thus having to deal more with what they are experiencing emotionally rather than being unsure of this other person. Similarly, INFJ also has Ni and they imagine a future with the other party too, but they are constantly questioning the reality of it because of the comparative absence of attunement with their own emotions. This was a theory I was guessing and I hope it was clear from my side. Looking forward to receiving additional insights.
@ChantelStays
@ChantelStays 2 жыл бұрын
@The V word it be nice to hear his insights on your comment.
@emris2697
@emris2697 4 жыл бұрын
After watching this video I finally understand why I, an INFJ, struggle sooooooo much with mathematics. Especially every time we are to learn something completely new. I also finally understand why it's so difficult for my INTJ friend to explain things to me, hahaha.
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
Ahaha! Cheers for the great comment :)
@dmas7749
@dmas7749 3 жыл бұрын
can't relate, i always did well in math and science - INXJ
@muhammadeisa1459
@muhammadeisa1459 2 жыл бұрын
@@dmas7749 same
@maytownbrendi
@maytownbrendi 2 жыл бұрын
🎯 thank you! The emotional aspect is the reason most people mistype me as an INFJ. I am incredibly empathetic. Very well articulated. Much appreciation for the work you put into this!
@Nairaville
@Nairaville 2 жыл бұрын
You’re very thorough and detailed about how the types work. It’s usually a lot more accurate than most of what I see out there. Thank you for that! The fact people often think INTJs are not empathetic always bothered me. It couldn’t be farther away from truth. Also, I will say that in my case I’m highly aware of social cues and what’s going on around me, but I appear oblivious to others because I chose not to entertain it. Often times I get to my goals more efficiently if I just push without acknowledging the social cues I’m receiving. So I do think that’s another misunderstanding. One other part worth mentioning. . . We do always evolve and adjust with every new information, but that’s from the stance of growth and advancement. On the other side of that coin, the INTJ is extremely consistent. Whether it’s a friend, a family member, a President or a bum, there’s a total consistency in treatment and who the INTJ is. So it’s important to note it, so people don’t think like one day the INTJ is a certain type of a person, and then they abandon their identity and totally shift to something else based on what suits. The moral values are quite solid, but skills and knowledge are constantly evolving, which in turn is evolving the INTJ and sometimes their views and approaches. Are you one of these types? You said “we” a couple of times but I failed to capture which one. Do you know if there are much differences between men and women of the types?
@user-el6my6vi7p
@user-el6my6vi7p 3 жыл бұрын
“detail oriented toward mechanics” felt that. i’m a writer but also like graphic design (perhaps even programming/coding which i have yet to fully explore) and find it pretty fulfilling to revise my projects in such a meticulous way. when im actually invested in these things then it’s noticeably one of my strong suits to take into account the mechanics of something and adjust it to my liking
@endisfrosty
@endisfrosty 4 жыл бұрын
As an INTJ this described me pretty damn well. I appreciate how well you seemed to understand the type.
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent - cheers :)
@hlsk1111
@hlsk1111 5 жыл бұрын
It's so interesting. I'm pretty sure I've been mistyped INTP and since then I'm restless, I search obsessively all I can find on the mbti types, because I don't FEEL right about being an INTP - even though I tested as one several times. I tried to understand how I could possibly not have Fi a my 4 fonctions while being CONSTANTLY aware of my feelings (and overprotective of them), and extremely empathetic while being highly logical. Anyway, I'm still doing research about it obviousy, but I think INTJ would really make sense. Thanks a lot for this video (and all of them)! You have a very fluid and precise way of explaining things.
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 5 жыл бұрын
This is exactly the reason why I consider the classic function-boxes system outdated - as I mentioned in my INTP-INFP comparison video the INTP does dip into their Fi constantly, but it's often less conscious than their Ti circuits. If you feel like the reverse is true for you then you may very well be an INTJ :) Thanks for the encouraging words, they're much appreciated!
@zarantikka106
@zarantikka106 4 жыл бұрын
When I did the test in front of friends i got INTP, but when i did it alone i got INFJ
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
@@zarantikka106 Tests can be pretty unreliable as the stack is fluid - we quite often operate differently around our friends than when alone, and while sometimes our friends may know us better than we know ourselves it will often be the reverse :)
@brain0nfire
@brain0nfire Жыл бұрын
What you said that INTJ is very empathic through imagination is very spot on and I've never seen anybody address it. Thank you for that, it was very beautiful.
@peterdentice5725
@peterdentice5725 5 жыл бұрын
I've always had a thought that Fi is programmable in a way since it's based on subjective value judgements. I test INTJ most times and a couple times I did INFJ. I relate to the notions you made of attention in both types, but not on any that are conflicting binary examples. I think that from my nurture and how I navigated my upbringing, I by default engaged with the social disorder of my environment. Having a father with a temper kept me on guard and attentive to the Fe atmosphere. At the end of the day an issue with Logical disorder rubs me the wrong way more than social disorder. My thoughts with that is you can't have proper social order and harmony if the logical aspect isn't congruent with all parties. Back to Fi, I think that my values on logical order are intrinsically tied to the social dynamic. If I'm able to keep both stable, then I can be in the best position to "Fly under the radar". The last thing I want is to be the center of attention. I'm proficient at hiding my emotional state like you stated a INTJ would, but also unaware at times what that exactly is like an INFJ. Time usually sorts out what the emotions are. If I try to use people, I don't get proper feedback in my opinion because what I'm showing isn't exactly everything there is to know. I'm told I'm too Fe aware to be INTJ and that I'm INFJ. I'm still undecided. I don't want to say what I think I am until I am as certain as I could be.
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 5 жыл бұрын
Hey Peter, I present binary extremes to see which type a person gravitates towards 'more' :) In reality there is a lot of overlap between Fe and Te as they both inform one another - you cannot have social order without a system and you cannot have efficient logical order without people working together effectively. If you find yourself 'feeling' a prioritisation towards Te order that would be indicative of INTJ, especially when accompanied by a private nature. If you have a 40/60 Fe to Te ratio, you would have a 60/40 Fi to Ti ratio too. This would be fairly neutral and explain why you feel you do both! Re: emotional awareness, it does not pertain directly to knowing what an emotion is, (this requires a Ti-Fi exchange) but rather that 'I'm feeling a certain way and have to deal with it'.
@peterdentice5725
@peterdentice5725 5 жыл бұрын
Cognitive Personality Theory I'm dating a ENTJ and the last conversation we had on efficiency I told her that balance is efficiency. Whatever the topic. Edit: After visiting me for a few weeks, I speculated and she agreed, that she's an ENTJ whom is introverted rather an INTJ.
@17x71
@17x71 4 жыл бұрын
@@peterdentice5725 you're definitely an INFJ. That's all... So annoying how many of you are like this...
@peterdentice5725
@peterdentice5725 4 жыл бұрын
17X Ha
@peterdentice5725
@peterdentice5725 4 жыл бұрын
17X I don't even remember writing this. I can't imagine what the hell I thought of that day to cause me to write that. It's very basic. Regarding your conjecture, what is "this" referring to in "So annoying how many of you are like this. . ."
@sashikoitsukara6654
@sashikoitsukara6654 3 жыл бұрын
I felt like this was describing me (infj) and my brother (intj) ! Thank you for the video, it helps to understand more about the both of us and how we think ! I really loved it !! ^^
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 3 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@Grymbaldknight
@Grymbaldknight 2 жыл бұрын
Speaking as an INTJ, something worth mentioning about us is that we can be incredibly sentimental, usually over physical possessions or distinct ideological concepts (such as philosophical ideas). I think this is a combination of Te and Fi, where Te intakes and places empirical value on certain "functional" things, and Fi then latches onto those things emotionally. Because a childhood teddy is empirically associated with joyful memories, for instance, it's exceptionally difficult for the INTJ to throw it away. Their Te and Fi are telling them that "this object has profound importance"; Te uses it as an anchor to the real world, and the Fi attributes emotions to that anchor. Removing the physical presence of the object therefore removes the positive feelings associated with the memory, which is deeply saddening for the INTJ. Therefore, the teddy stays. This also applies to certain methods of thinking, or a fondness for certain types of systems or concepts. For instance, an INTJ who finds a given philosophical theory exceptionally compelling (Te) might feel personally offended by someone casually dismissing its validity or accuracy (Fi). A combination of these two might be a fondness for certain categories of systems, where the Te marvels at the elegance and efficiency of the system, and the Fi latches onto that and "clings" to it. For instance, an INTJ might develop a personal fondness for classic cars, because they find a certain older style of engine to be "elegant in its simplicity", or some such. They find beauty in the convergence of aesthetic and efficiency, and the combination can be very moving for them.
@Grymbaldknight
@Grymbaldknight 2 жыл бұрын
@The V word Generally, yes. Although I'm not callous, Fi is a trait which judges moral worth on the basis of one's own personal values. For instance, someone with Fi might stand by the idea that "drugs are bad" because that is in keeping with their personal views, not because of, say, how drugs affect others. INFJs, with their Fe, are the opposite. Fe draws moral judgement by reading others, and reacting accordingly. For instance, an INFJ might see a load of people smoking marijuana and having a good time, and decide "Well, it's probably okay, then". Fi-users tend to have very strong and deep-seated feelings about things. They are unlikely to been influenced by peer pressure, and are unlikely to change their views even if that makes them the "odd one out". For this reason, they may be regarded as "stubborn", or, conversely, "resilient". Hope this helps!
@starisen9835
@starisen9835 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you for your posts about INTJ. Even with the added difficulties of being INTJ with synesthesia, I wouldn't trade it. I have struggled to communicate well with others my whole life. To help, I learned to analyze what I intend to convey, and then "bounce it" off of the person I am speaking to. I seem to "talk in circles" reflecting translations of my meanings until they finally "get it". It is a lot of work for me, and so exhausting. I explain my meaning by the relationships of one-thing-to-another, in metaphores, detailed descriptions, or in scenarios. I try to interpret their learning style and customize my phrasing to help them understand me. People are often confused by me until I find just the right way to decode my thoughts to them. Then, they are amazed at how clearly and thoroughly they understand it. I hope it worked this time, too.
@davidprice4737
@davidprice4737 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you very much. All of my "tests" say INFJ, but I believe that I am INTJ and your excellent video clearly support me as being INTJ. Best comparison video I have seen. Thanks again. awesome
@cuemonga
@cuemonga 4 жыл бұрын
About the empathy of INTJ's, that's so accurate. I always said it like that, that I can relate to what one feels because I know I've felt that way before even if it was in a lower lever, or if it was in a completely different or maybe even ridiculous situation if compared. But I KNOW that I KNOW the feeling, I can relate perfectly. And people never understand it or underastimate my understanding because they don't believe I'm being actually empathetic, they just believe I'm being empathetic the wrong way???? Now I keep it to myself.
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
Exactly this - thank you for sharing!
@user-lu4fn9pe4y
@user-lu4fn9pe4y 3 жыл бұрын
Keep in mind that there are types to empathy...
@rachelbass7914
@rachelbass7914 5 жыл бұрын
You are extremely smart. It sounds so basic to say it that way, but I don’t understand most of what you’re saying, and yet find it fascinating learning about the ‘reverse main functions’ to my personality type as an ESTP. Thanks for sharing such an in depth analysis of the two types!
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 5 жыл бұрын
Thanks Rachel, I definitely want to be understood by as many people as possible when I make these videos and even though it's encouraging to receive such kind words my priority is getting this information across to everyone :D I'll actually be covering the ESTP briefly in my next video, and how they access their divergent stack in an INFJ manner!
@rachelbass7914
@rachelbass7914 5 жыл бұрын
Awesome, look forward to learning more from you!! Thanks.
@drkatz1192
@drkatz1192 Жыл бұрын
Watching these videos has taught me I’m an INTJ. It’s always been complicated since I thought I was an INFJ with OCD. But people have repeatedly told me I don’t read the room, and I lead with my thinking/logic.
@Ella-gi3xb
@Ella-gi3xb Жыл бұрын
I am neither of these types but the fact that I watched this whole video, being intensely focused, says a lot lol I was skeptical of your theory at first but as I learn more (I always end up coming back here throughout the day lol), the more I understand and this accept your approach. It really is fascinating what you are proposing here!
@WeirdStichka
@WeirdStichka 3 жыл бұрын
I keep coming back to your videos. I find that INTJ descriptions tend to focus a lot on the "logical" and "efficient" aspects, which always made me feel somewhat inadequate when I'm unable to explain my logic to others (or even to myself sometimes). Any future plans for content around development from a cognitive function view? I'm currently focusing on my Te and Se development - time to start acting out into the world and not just being in my head all the time :)
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 3 жыл бұрын
I have a pretty exciting (but honestly pretty simple) type-development method in the works that I hope to debut soon!
@WeirdStichka
@WeirdStichka 3 жыл бұрын
@@CognitivePersonality exciting. Cant wait :)
@peppylemon1717
@peppylemon1717 4 жыл бұрын
This is a very accurate insight into the INTJ. I dont just jump into innovating something that I do not feel emotionally invested in, something that I believe in morally or what have you. I wonder, what kind of personality are you to notice these things? I notice that most people posting about INTJs and claiming to be (and im not saying they are not) but clearly, they do not have the same insight as this and it begs me to differ if they really are INTJs.
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you for saying this! I'm an (actual) INFJ - not to be confused with those who claim to be INFJs yet struggle with Ni-TI :D
@peppylemon1717
@peppylemon1717 4 жыл бұрын
Cognitive Personality Theory it's funny... To actually get results that are accurate you have to know yourself pretty well, your actual self, and not what you just perceive yourself to be. The first time I tested I got an INFJ. I didn't really question it, watching KZbin videos about it after. It was after I told my husband and made him read (haha probably not an Infj move) and he didn't seem to agree by the expression on his face. So I tested myself again, but with the help of my husband and seriously deliberating it. It’s so funny how many of the things we do don’t register in our own brains.
@jenesisbronner
@jenesisbronner 3 жыл бұрын
I agree with most of what you have said, since I was/am like that. However, I would like to challenge one point. Many times INTJs are spiritual or religious (such as myself) demanding that they change their understanding (and awareness) of human relations and priorities. This pushed me personally as an INTJ into psychology and philosophy in order to improve my understanding of self, sin and how God wanted humans and things to orginally be. Still, I agree with most of what you have said though, and I really appreciate your insights and channel! I love listening to your explanations so please stay encouraged!!!
@SemanthaJen
@SemanthaJen Жыл бұрын
THANK YOU. That explains my bitter-sweet feelings about my INFJ friend. We have a lot in common but at the same time, we seem to disagree with each other more often. She can be really stubborn with ideas and theories sometimes, even though I've provided a huge amount of evidence to her, saying that something is the general truth, she would still disagree and say she knows a lot more than me (providing no evidence) and she thinks otherwise (because she's also older - ridiculous). But she is also very considering and I often go to her for relationship opinions cuz I tend to intimidate others for no reason even when I tried really hard to play nice. But she can be very emotionally dependent, she wants others to return the love and kindness that she's been giving them, which sometimes exhausts me. And it seems like she never really admits when she's wrong. If I'm wrong, even about something I said weeks ago, I would still apologize. Recently I got the sense that she envies me and are constantly secretly competing with me, trying to emotionally manipulate me, so I'm considering ending it. Recently she said to me that she wanted me to be more happy, I was like, wtf are you talking about? Happiness is a kind of delusion. Calm is the true happiness. Sometimes she seems too normal and boring in a sense to be my friend, lol. My INTP friends are way more interesting, they always surprises me with new ideas and new perspectives.
@ReishaVanBern
@ReishaVanBern 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for doing this in-depth series. It helps me get inside the minds of characters I make up and understand them better for role-plays, writing, and other things. I know, maybe that sounds shallow and ridiculous, but it's extremely helpful :) Sincerely, a very grateful ENFP
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
This is an awesome and underestimated value of typology for sure! Cheers for the kind words :)
@ladye7547
@ladye7547 2 жыл бұрын
I have thought that I was an Intj for years. After evaluating how I functioned with family at a recent event, my husband adding some clarity as we discussed my social interactions, and watching this video, I think that I resonate far better with an Infj. Thank you for this in depth video.
@onlydavid
@onlydavid 4 жыл бұрын
To the owner of this video. My gf is an INFJ and I am an INTJ. We very much enjoyed your video and explanation of the subject matter that blended both emotional and technical explanations. Thank you so much. There is a single issue for me though. You use the words mechanical, mechanisms and (the most confusing of all) “mechanical expressions”. I would like to know if I have come up with a definition of how you are using these words. If incorrect, your explanation or clarification would be appreciated. Mechanical, mechanisms, mechanical expressions are “objectively observed systems or patterns that can be communicated by way of mathematical or scientific vocabulary”. Thank you for your time in making this video.
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
Ah yes, I did use the term mechanical rather figuratively to symbolise the objective order of perceived components - since perception is objective, a 'mechanism' behind reality is readily observed :)
@onlydavid
@onlydavid 4 жыл бұрын
Cognitive Personality Theory Thanks for taking the time to answer and for everything you do here to increase knowledge and understanding of these topics! I hope that the large amount of appreciation in my heart is felt in yours.
@user-tx5kn2pp7c
@user-tx5kn2pp7c 4 жыл бұрын
You just described my thinking process prefectly. I know how A = B, but explaining it is a whole different ball game altogether. And people usually end up deciding I just guessed it or something. 😓 So nowadays I just keep these thoughts to myself.
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
Yes, this!
@suze3441
@suze3441 3 жыл бұрын
Fantastic theoretical framework! Your descriptions are marvelously accurate, and finally give me (infj) some food for thought ;-) Your concepts shed, I think, a more genuine light on the guilt felt by many infj's, namely as the result from a (possibly unconscious) awareness of our superficial/situational empathy. It has long been quite clear to me that while my alertness + adoption of anything social around me (and being able to communicate that) may come across as being empathetic, it has little to do with empathy. In fact, it may be contrary to empathy. This realization makes Fe function very unhappy...It is basically why, deep inside, I often feel being hypocritical and, at worst, manipulative. In order to deal with resulting feelings of guilt, certainly in friendships and when stressed, I go into this mode of "unplugged" stream of emotional ventilation: a. to make sense of my emotional inner self; and b. to be 'as transparent' as I can (if this makes sense, basically to counter pretending to be emphatic). It often confuses others: 'how can she be so (socially, emotionally) bright and yet so insecure of herself (and unable to deal with her own emotions)? Many of my academic colleagues could be INTJ and I like them a lot.
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 3 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much for this comment! I very much relate to your Fe, and I have found a degree of Fe-authority supression can actually make the INFJ empathise more genuinely :)
@suze3441
@suze3441 3 жыл бұрын
@@CognitivePersonality Very much agreed! Thanks for pointing this out!
@red-baitingswine8816
@red-baitingswine8816 Жыл бұрын
"Taking responsibility for and exploring feelings" - reminds me of Richard Feynman.
@mhill88ify
@mhill88ify 3 жыл бұрын
I may be an INTJ (your video convinced me of this more than ever before). Just had a lunch date with an INFJ. Your assessment was spot on, brother. If we see each other again I may need to revisit your video(s) on this.
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 3 жыл бұрын
Thank you, I appreciate it! Good luck!
@brain0nfire
@brain0nfire Жыл бұрын
I love your proficiency with wordsmithing.
@davidmadisontheguardian
@davidmadisontheguardian Жыл бұрын
Phenomenal. I practice Telekinesis; and I don't much care about what's already been published... I'm much more concerned with my own experience. This frustrates a physicist friend of mine who 'needs' an iron clad system of verifying; and I'm frustrated because I know that life is not put in boxes; but the results come from a synergy and a synthesis of not only scientifically discovered 'facts' and theories; but the role that conscious awareness as it observes through perceptual filters - has on the so-called external world. There is NO experiment that will prove the existence of Telekinesis; because you can always come up with other possibilities. My proof comes from the hours upon hours over 4 years of experimentation. But I am simply comparing what was difficult or seemingly impossible to do before, with what seems less difficult and possible to do now. Of course, any day now, a new scientific theory could come out that I'm not accounting for; and therefore, it might negate the need for consciousness as the prime cause. Honestly my friend... your delivery was stellar; but I got lost partway through. I know this about myself when it comes to highly detailed information. I have this very cavalier attitude about learning that say, when exposed to anything for long enough, I will not only remember it; but eventually understand it. Mechanical things breaking down only bother me to the extent that it stops me from being in flow. Growing up, I don't think I developed the mirror neurons required to sufficiently calibrate my own actions to that of other people. Micro expressions eluded me. I seem to be pretty savvy now; but I still don't know what I might be missing. So, I'm still wondering if I'm an INTJ or an INFJ... Funny question... can I be on the CUSP? Now, my guess is that that is something that would be a very INFJ type thing to consider, eh? DM
@Nerdy-By-Nature
@Nerdy-By-Nature 4 жыл бұрын
I feel so vindicated for my distaste of manuals 🤣 Thank you, this is so thorough and well done. I've watched and read a lot of INTJ/INFJ comparisons but your way of explaining made a lot more sense to me ... probably because your cognitive functions are the same as mine, lol. My "empathing" experience might differ a little from what you described (in function rather than mechanics), but I would imagine that could be quite variable depending on individual childhood and life experiences. Very happy to have found your channel!
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
Ahaha! Thank you - yes sharing the same functions would no doubt help :D Very much so - experience plays a huge role in type variation, and this is atop the fact that every individual is a unique manifestation of their cognitive type. As am I! Thanks for your comment :)
@annathepiper7964
@annathepiper7964 4 жыл бұрын
INTJ here. I feel like pulling my hair out around people like you sometimes 😂😂🤣🤣. The. Manual. Is. Right. There. ....Just use it!
@Nerdy-By-Nature
@Nerdy-By-Nature 4 жыл бұрын
@@annathepiper7964 LOL!!!! I know, most of the people closest to me are manual readers and I drive them crazy 😝 Trust that it would be worse if I forced my brain to go the "read the manual first" route ... for everyone involved! If it's absolutely required I usually try to hand the reins over.
@alyderuby2480
@alyderuby2480 4 жыл бұрын
This is creepy that you explain the way I manifest my thinking so clearly. I remember lots of my notes are diagrams, and one particular is about the book "Make It Stick." The whole book I recorded as a single picture.
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
I always find Ni-Fi so fascinating!
@isabeltinajero9098
@isabeltinajero9098 4 жыл бұрын
I really enjoyed the video thank you for giving a more in depth explanation about the two personalities
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
My pleasure!
@ChantelStays
@ChantelStays 2 жыл бұрын
Always always type as infj. Professionally as well. And yet 20 years later it still never fully resonated. ...most did...but parts just didn't. I had presumed I was consistently in an Ni-Ti loop, just jumping over Fe, because I do not relate to Fe at all. The newest reality for me, is that I am actually and INTJ with a fairly well developed Fi. I am enneagram 4w5 (4 is Fi motivated) and 459 tritype. This is the first video that really has created a beautiful contrast between the two. Stomping on stereotypes. Now a there is to worry about is confirmation bias. I feel both types can live very difficult and isolating lives if they don't make it a mission to self analyze and improve and do shadow cognitive work. The whole mysticism behind Ni is ridiculous. ... It's not easy being either mbti type. Ps. Efficiency is everything.
@PpAirO5
@PpAirO5 3 жыл бұрын
Damn those eyes can penetrate high grade steel 😳 It's scary 😅
@phoenixxsoul
@phoenixxsoul 2 жыл бұрын
I think one of the big reasons for mistyping is the belief in 1,2,3,4... slot, misunderstanding of cognitive functions and how they operate with each other, as well as type's acronyms that don't do justice to actual underlying cognition. So if i'm right, these are each of the types general thinking/feeling preferences: Sensing feeling/intuitive thinking: 1) INFP, ENFJ 2) ISTJ, ESTP 3) ESTJ, ISTP 4) INFJ, ENFP Intuitive feeling/sensing thinking: 1) INTP, ENTJ 2) ISFJ, ESFP 3) ESFJ, ISFP 4) INTJ, ENTP (ofc, each type can use other preference, i.e Intp can use sensing feeling, but these are the general predispositions) 😊 Sensing feeling/intuitive thinking - having a precise, intense, specific, concrete internal lymbic dialogue (when activated) usually connected to memories etc, past-tense predisposition. While the thinking is more abstract, loosely understood, plethoric, imaginative etc. Intuitive feeling/sensing thinking - basically the opposite. Feeling is more abstract, it is future-oriented, building upon an archetype rather than concrete sense od identity, plethoric, it has more width but looses intensity, it is loosely understood etc. While thinking is very specific, when activated it can be very detail oriented, have a gift for fine-tuning definitions, highly analytical etc. Now, all of this also depends on if it's introverted or extroverted. I.e Si-Ti is internal microscope into one's internal logical circuits. Likewise, Se-Te is detail-oriented to external mechanical world. I just wanted to share what i've understood, don't mind me 😆
@7352SoS
@7352SoS Жыл бұрын
6:45 - 7:25 you have explained this so well that it was funny, me and my boyfriend who is an infj plays chess and he wants to get better and I told him ways that will help improve his play efficiently but he is always in this idea that he wants to play his own way and be spontaneous even though what he does isn't very efficient but yet he still wants to get better and I find that kind of frustrating at times. That's what happens sometimes where we are both doing something but his way of doing it isn't as efficient but I don't know how he doesn't logically see that and that also gets me a little frustrated. I think he is smart but he just has different ways of seeing things.
@OrganizingChaosYoga
@OrganizingChaosYoga Жыл бұрын
Honestly I’ve proved my INTJ wrong many times and have caught his hard headed , stubborn side sabotaging his logic. He is often sure he is right while I’m more open to be wrong and do not feel comfortable being 100% sure.
@lnfiniteFlow11700
@lnfiniteFlow11700 2 жыл бұрын
this video was helpful. know ik im a intj
@sarros5762
@sarros5762 Жыл бұрын
I believe I am INTJ, however I do not like manuals, usually I can figure out how something works by looking or interacting with whatever I am doing. However if the project is beyond my ability then yes, I wip out out the instructions, and painfully read it. I also find I am quite clumsy, I think it is more to do with being in my mind so much that I stop paying attention to the real world, but as soon as I am out of my head and am focused on a physical task then I am much better at it than my INFJ husband.
@dekucuredmydepression5273
@dekucuredmydepression5273 4 жыл бұрын
ommmgggg i didnt know intjs were confused w us like???? anyways i’ve always been CURIOUS about intjs like.. the way they think and their THOUGHTS like pls bro give me an intj friend... idek if i have an intj friend cuz i dont wanna freak out everyone one ik w making them do the damn test TT the struggleeeee... ( am happy w what i have doe ) oh yes btw am an infj ;)
@GiannoulaMelea
@GiannoulaMelea 3 жыл бұрын
First video of many, that made me finally understand their difference.
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 3 жыл бұрын
Great :)
@micahroberts8383
@micahroberts8383 2 жыл бұрын
lol... So, that's why I have a dry erase board in my office as a therapist, eh? I absolutely do find myself drawing diagrams and things in order to explain concepts to my clients on a regular basis. Facts. -INTJ
@nirktheman-thingstab-cutter
@nirktheman-thingstab-cutter 3 жыл бұрын
I thought I'd use this video to finally understand once and for all which of these I was. But, this only reinforced that I'm some amalgamation of the two.
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 3 жыл бұрын
Ahhh, I have another comparison between these types if that helps!
@nirktheman-thingstab-cutter
@nirktheman-thingstab-cutter 3 жыл бұрын
@@CognitivePersonality I will see if it does! Thanks for the recommendation!
@MrDylanMcNasty
@MrDylanMcNasty 4 жыл бұрын
I'm someone who consistently at different points in my life have had my mb test come back as INF/TP. I'm perhaps more F dominant, but hearing you explain the differences, I feel there are definitely moments when my logic pattern can switch, but I dont necessarily feel as if that switch is within my control. It really depends on the topic. I'm a criminal Justice PhD student who always wanted to be an actor growing up....go figure lol
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
As someone who initially studied law and then dropped it to pursue music I can relate, albeit in the reverse order! Some types are very much more neutral than others and I believe very few people are overall more Thinking than Feeling :)
@lovelyenglishnature3277
@lovelyenglishnature3277 Жыл бұрын
I’m a bit mesmerised but you. Your brain is just like mine but far less muddled🙂.
@midnightgaming.9162
@midnightgaming.9162 4 жыл бұрын
I think I will always clash with the INFJ to my INTJ because through logical mechanical order and harmony, so should follow social and emotional harmony. (Really not trying to pick a fight this time. Im exhausted.) But my general view is that the world has spent all its history being emotional about things and it hasnt worked. A lot of my anger with whole picture is that often I see the majority begging for this type of change and preaching for that and we're 10,000 years into our history. World peace is not something the vast majority wants. (Even the lowest and poorest, not to mention the rich) and so forth its all so hypocritical. Fear is an emotional response. Fear the god, fear authority, fear the courage to do what is actually necessary. That is why 'I' have since bowed way out of the political discussions and PC, economics, inequality. Its what they want and this world isnt for my kind. I'm here to observe, help who i can, and carve out my own happy ending. For example if we were truly concerned about the trash in our oceans there would be a mandatory day globally where EVERYONE (abledbodies and within traveling distance to a beach) is to report to their nearest shores for clean up duty. In my mind, The Invasion (2007) was the best thing that could have possibly happened to the human race. Oh but oh no our sensibilities, how dare you take my freedom away, even for a day, and even for a good cause. No one is truly willing to sacrifice.
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
I think this is a fair criticism of potential Fe hypocrisy - the go along to get along thing can certainly have terrible consequences, but on the other hand I wonder how fragile cooperation is without it.
@dc3174
@dc3174 3 жыл бұрын
All hail the patriarchy. Wow
@brooklinnratto8315
@brooklinnratto8315 3 жыл бұрын
But within a world of confusion dare I say there are others who share similar sympathies, people who do want to listen the contradiction is that human nature can be spiteful, full of anger from the lack of security creating friction with the mass. Freedom is far to broad of a spectrum and is like talking about the possibilities around utopia. Is good to hear people wish to help each other however the problem is we all have a voice and no one to listen to it. Hopelessness may follow you around like carrying a corpse, the infection gnawing at your skin slowly because pain is the security that many fear to let go, fear is humanities biggest barrier and always has been, sometimes the world wants to mourn and they can't do so emotionally because of the stigma around the depressive and melachonic state so anger weeps with us instead of tears and carves out our skin into a tapestry of a maze, seeing and hoping a zombie will break the the barriers set in place only to realize our biggest ally is acceptance and responsibility of millions of people fate entagled tightly like a web to the entrance. The greatest struggle is to love because that means accepting what you may not be able to control like the fact you are a zombie as well, brainwashed into hopelessness by perceived reality and to be honest I have no idea if this info is being picked up properly XD. Everyone is willing to sacrifice just not their fear because fear has created caution and recklessness and both of those kept them alive.
@brooklinnratto8315
@brooklinnratto8315 3 жыл бұрын
The funniest part is that all of us hear are trying to live in the conclusion of other people's thinking. I miss Alan Watts man, his mind was very beautiful and inviting, really respect the guys teachings.
@brooklinnratto8315
@brooklinnratto8315 3 жыл бұрын
Again please excuse my mistypes
@chesidiyah
@chesidiyah Жыл бұрын
Interesting because everyone in our family is either INTJ or INFJ. For example, i'm INTJ and my husband is INFJ.
@aaaaahwiej
@aaaaahwiej Жыл бұрын
I narrowed it down about me being an INTP or INFJ. I'm unsure whether I use Ti-Si or Ni-TI
@santiagolimadossantos3850
@santiagolimadossantos3850 2 жыл бұрын
I've been very thoughtful about me being an intj or infj because I can see in myself lots of traits of both personalities, I rely a lot with the extroverted and introverted feeling of both types, I feel like I'm a blend of both types (if I wrote something wrong I'm sorry i'm still learning english)
@tofusamurai22
@tofusamurai22 5 жыл бұрын
These videos are some of the BEST "MBTI" videos on KZbin! (Btw, can I buy like a pdf version of CPT?... The Amazon version is kindle only, and the free app isn't compatible with my old-ass phone >.< ) Much appreciated! :D
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 5 жыл бұрын
I've had more than one request now for pdf - if you email me via the 'about section' on the channel we can sort it out informally :) Smashwords have been unable to distribute due to the fixed format of the eBook. I'll be looking into getting other formats asap! And thanks very much!!
@nobodi817
@nobodi817 4 жыл бұрын
I think the best way to tell an INFJ is by their clothing. I bet you get that reference very well. INFJ's are all about not making a fuss about flashy garments. I wear a lot of grays and black with a few variations when I am buying my own. The only time in my life I dressed up was during relationships as the girlfriend wanted to fix my lack of style. Whatever. Keith
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
I can certainly relate to this haha!
@donatello9482
@donatello9482 4 жыл бұрын
At one pointing my life all I bought and wear was gray clothes. Heck I’m wearing grays right now
@floweryunicorn8888
@floweryunicorn8888 3 жыл бұрын
May i ask a question? Is it possible to appear as a different personality type when younger when you're in fact something else or is it just that you are indeed that personality but have just developed certain functions making you appear more like the other that you came into conclusion that you are now that you're older? To be more specific, can a personality typing be accurate when you're quite young and in a "stressful" environment or not ? For example, can an infj appear like an intj when younger but as they grow and become an adult realize they are in fact infj(since they relate to it more now) and not intj (or reverse)? Or is it just that the intj has developed certain functions as an adult and appears as an infj? Is it only one of these possibilities that is possible or are they both(possible)? (I hope what i wrote makes sense)
@jamjam0409
@jamjam0409 3 жыл бұрын
Wow So I am INTJ. I almost missed it because people like to present this emotionless person, villain without emphaty when I knew I can relate to what people are feeling.
@kokofan50
@kokofan50 3 жыл бұрын
Well there’s a few things in that cause that. The first is INTJs are rather closed off with unusually high level of emotional control. Second, people tend to interact with INTJs when using extraverted thinking
@pippysmusic
@pippysmusic 3 жыл бұрын
Awesome video. Thank you for it :)
@thissunchild
@thissunchild 4 жыл бұрын
Excellent. Clarifies a great deal.
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
Glad it was helpful!
@yolandacarrillo3681
@yolandacarrillo3681 2 жыл бұрын
This is really good.
@myewzek2913
@myewzek2913 4 жыл бұрын
Bro i didn’t even know you could be detail oriented towards emotions lmao INFJs need to chill, just sayin uwu
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
Haha
@dmas7749
@dmas7749 3 жыл бұрын
we do tho
@chenxi8633
@chenxi8633 Жыл бұрын
You used ‘we’ when talking about infj. Does that mean you’re an infj?
@thaliasmusings
@thaliasmusings 11 ай бұрын
So helpful. 🌿
@GC-yv3ic
@GC-yv3ic 3 жыл бұрын
My T and F scores are always so close when tested.
@estelakanoviya7284
@estelakanoviya7284 Жыл бұрын
Omg hahaha!! I was gonna ask why I usually clash/dislike other INFJs HAHAHAHAH I never knew why! I thought most I've come across to be quite inauthentic, but now I see that it goes both ways hahaha!! What's the mechanical in this context however?
@brooklinnratto8315
@brooklinnratto8315 3 жыл бұрын
Weird to hear that infjs are struggling with intjs, in all honesty from my observations they can become really close to each other, both promote a ton of self growth from each other, the only times I have seen these two types clash is when they both called each other out XD Very amusing in fact. I suggest that maybe fe should try to be less critical and be more loving to the differences, like a whole mixture of seasonings tied tightly into the threads of steak. These two type could do so much together I wish I saw more comments about admiration for the opposite skillsets. Needless to say they would be a damn good duo if the infj was president to protect the intj vice president from being skrewed with while they both comprise and choose what would be best for many. Of course their ideals would need to align more. Of course the infj can run their thoughts through the intjs filter, ti critic can be very sweet in helping people acknowledge their biases and correct their reasoning. ^_^
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 3 жыл бұрын
Yes I agree, it's a great pairing!
@timl8302
@timl8302 7 ай бұрын
INTF - Sigma Empath
@mandyvincent1439
@mandyvincent1439 4 жыл бұрын
My niece is an intj. We are very close. This video sums up our relationship. Hahaha
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
Ahaha, excellent!!
@donbroni
@donbroni Жыл бұрын
These are great i bought your book and im loving your approach to type , two questions 1.Could you define limbic orginality ? 2. Most people describe ni as convergent but by yuur definition it seems its best descrihed as a wide focused lens focused internally, is convergence or divergence more associated with the with how in this Case the introverted auxiliary function fi ti deals with this wide focus instead of ni being inherently convergent ? Thanks in advance x
@TheRivensongInitiative
@TheRivensongInitiative 4 жыл бұрын
I am exceedingly interested in how the types employ their functional attitudes and priorities within creative enterprise of fiction writing, specifically. Like how would an INFP vs INFJ approach the creation of characters and those characters' emotional makeup? How do you think creative states influence our exploration of that functional continuum?
@TheRivensongInitiative
@TheRivensongInitiative 4 жыл бұрын
Or INTJ vs INFJ? More of a question directed at the types in general.
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
This is a pretty massive question but I'll definitely be visiting a topic like this in a future video! Generally an INFP will have a proclivity for more seemingly unrelated subplots and character arcs where's an INFJ will strive to weave absolutely everything together to inform the central plot.
@Anonymei
@Anonymei 4 жыл бұрын
It’s kind of confusing because I do observe the emotional state of other people - like when I’m watching a video, I’d imagine how a friend would feel if they watched that video. Yet I relate a lot to Ni-Fi, wherein I imagine and perceive my identity to be a certain way in the future, and I do know how I feel. When in public, I often imagine how I’m being perceived to other people, or how I look like. Is this more Ni-Fi or Ni-Ti?
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
Sounds more Ni-Fi - these functions can easily imagine how the self is perceived through another's eyes. For the INFJ, this process is more unconscious.
@Anonymei
@Anonymei 4 жыл бұрын
Cognitive Personality Theory I see. Thanks for responding!
@planetsj527
@planetsj527 3 жыл бұрын
Im so ready to be done with my whole infj or intj dilemma. I score both on tests. And sometimes i get intp. Im so confused
@dc4019
@dc4019 4 жыл бұрын
Is an INTJ more interested in the development of specific skillsets than the INFJ? Like to intensely pursue skills for the sake of mastery, instead of a universal theory? Would they take the specific practice of a single skill and have an internal subjective significance in relation to the mastery of said skill? Am I understanding a divergent Te-Se dynamic correctly, or is this convergent se-te?
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
I would say they would acquire the rudimentals more readily, and that intuitive understanding might lean the type towards pursuing the skill further. On the other hand, since INFJs generally find skill acquisition a little harder, they can develop a patience that can carry them through to mastery :) The INTJ would be more likely to keep this skill seperate from other hobbies/interests, and in this manner can pursue the skill in a more focused manner. That being said, there is a chance here to be distracted by those unrelated interests - the more the INTJ relates to one of these skillsets, the more time and focus they will apply to its mastery.
@huwlloyd4755
@huwlloyd4755 4 жыл бұрын
1) It is not a "mechanical" focus, it is a systemic focus. 2) It is not any old detail, or worse lots of detail, it is a particular targeted detail on the basis of knowing where to look. 3) Effectiveness, not efficiency. 4) I think you have a rather different notion of what introverted thinking is. Studying how INTPs think might help. 5) About articulating reasons, this is simply a skill. It is actually more about distancing oneself from the "compulsive demands" of the present and giving oneself the opportunity to articulate these matters precisely. 6) INFJ's lack of precision relative to INTJ, their (in general) dealing with thinking at the level of analogy in contrast to an INTJ's functional appreciation which can be expressed in terms of homology and system. Unfortunately by this point it starts to sound more like a lot of words hanging off a rather arbitrary tree. :( But, hey, there's scope to understand it better. No reason to treat this as negative. :) And hi from fellow Brit -- Huw
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
Hi there! Thank you for your contribution, certainly no negativity taken :) My system is CPT - Introverted Thinking within CPT does not exist within a vacuum; lens and codec functions are employed alongside eachother. As such, the Ti of the INTP is similar to that of the INTJ in that it is (primarily) adjoined to an Si lens, and as such specific more than it is plethoric. Aside from that, this seems like largely semantic interplay (not to lessen the importance of lexical precision). It is also seems I may not have communicated myself effectively, at least in regards to the semantic playing-field of yourself and I, as much of what you have written does not contradict the overarching points within the video :)
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
That being said, I do think my metaphorical use of 'mechanical' can be misleading and will consider alternative terms. Certainly not systemic though, as this is more symptom than it is cause - I seek to distance myself from the more behavioural side that these waters have become mudied with in recent years and target what is occuring at the fundemental cognitive level :) Thanks again for your comment!
@huwlloyd4755
@huwlloyd4755 4 жыл бұрын
@@CognitivePersonality You're welcome.
@17x71
@17x71 4 жыл бұрын
@@huwlloyd4755 you don't know what you're talking about. I'm pretty sure I know who you are too. Or at least have seen your crap somewhere. You're just another INFJ that has warped the actual way mbti works so you can fit the INTJ narrative. But isntead you warp the narrative to mold around you being "INTJ".
@17x71
@17x71 4 жыл бұрын
@@huwlloyd4755 Ti is completely systematic and is about "effectiveness". If Ti has a solution, then sweet. Even if it's the most retardedly implemented one. Te is entirely about efficiency. Quit spreading your crap. There's enough of that in the mbti world already. Don't need any more bullshitters like you..
@serveyou2454
@serveyou2454 3 жыл бұрын
Hey why is intelligence now generally linked to speed talking ? What gives
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 3 жыл бұрын
Hah, any speed talking is certainly not intentional. I'd say it's more related to impatience of internal thought; there may be a correlation with intelligence, but I doubt it's causal!
@johnmcdonald8058
@johnmcdonald8058 2 жыл бұрын
Speed talking is not an indication of real intelligence, even if it might be related to getting a higher score on traditional IQ tests (which were designed by the very people who have the same grouping of MBTI preferences). In fact, "speed talking" is an arrogant and insulting communication style to the vast majority of people who demonstrate the other MBTI "gifts" and it reflects a lack of concern for actually communicating a thought, and especially a Feeling judgment, to anyone except another person with similar cognitive function preferences. Having seen it used and being "taught" to one of our grandsons (a very successful high school public speaker and debater), we consider it a corruption of communication, not progress. [This is from a person who scored in top 10 nationally in debate and speech (many years ago) and scores very high in traditional IQ tests. The difference is that my colleagues and I have tried over the years to understand, appreciate and respect the fact that IQ is a very biased criteria that is only reasonably good for determining one kind of intelligence and has virtually nothing to do with being a better or more useful human being than other human beings with different styles, preferences and "intelligences."]
@bluejjay
@bluejjay 3 жыл бұрын
10:00 "INTJ's own view on something will be an amalgamation of different theories that they've read" Wow. I think nothing sums up my intellectual life better than this.
@JanSuing
@JanSuing 5 жыл бұрын
I can empathize with people even without having gone through the same experience. I just need to talk to them or even just observe them. And then I see subtle hints, clues, cues, behavioral patterns, even facial expressions, and connect these emotional, social, verbal, non-verbal data with each other and/or with the social context they are in, and somehow I am able to draw a painting of their experience in my mind. However, empathizing with people does not always inspire an emotional response from me. I can empathize without feeling anything. Do you have the same experience?
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 5 жыл бұрын
My point exactly - you've perfectly described my own process of 'relating' to another person's position without having been in it myself, and I consider this a process of our Fe-informed Ni-Ti circuits, which makes us very imaginative re: people and their circumstances. I would generally have needed to have experienced what they person has experienced in order to 'feel' empathy, however, as the prior cogitations are like with yourself fairly detached on an emotional level :)
@MCPanda-bl3nc
@MCPanda-bl3nc 4 жыл бұрын
It can be confusing bc I have developed a way for me to know what I feel when I am feeling something, so in a way I'm an INFJ with higher Fi than Fe, but I can definitely understand someone without having felt it myself by using Ni-Fe. When it is about something I personally experienced myself or have an attachement to, I do react emotionally if I would never want to even think of being in that situation ever or perhaps again, if I'd been through it already. I cried at parts towards the beginning of the 2019 Joker movie. My friend supposed to also be INFJ, but she didn't react emotionally. She did laugh at certain parts the Joker seemed scary though (coping mechanism I would think). Edit: I was able to detach myself from later parts of the movie after having expressed at the start and then compartmentalizing. If I catch myself early enough, I can prevent myself from crying, but the first parts were like a smack in the face and I was taken back to my own experience or attachements. I know I'm INFJ bc I definitely struggle more with diagrams/mechanisms and having to take external references than sorting through information I took in from others. Often, if I do have to get references, I'll go through whatever I have to to find the ones that discuss the particular details I thought about while concluding the right way to think about the topic. I can express a logical conclusion I had if I worked through it in my mind, but if it is a complex one, I would need to write it out or something since my mouth doesn't like to cooperate plenty of times. I have a harder time with diagrams/external data when it starts getting complex which is frustrating because in reading words explaining a concept, I could easily be like 'yea' but then it gets represented in a graph and due to the complexity I can get confused so I gotta watch myself and internalize it long enough to make sense of it in my own way. Eventually I can manage though, especially if I take it in from someone else like a teacher who explains well.
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
@@MCPanda-bl3nc INFP is a possibility too, from what you have written, as the Te of this connects to an Ne authority, sometimes making the type overwhelmed by complexity as they want to take in all the options, and managing to detach yourself sounds like the Fi-Si emotional mastery I always admire in this type. INFPs would generally be better at external mechanisms but collating the information within their minds would be more of a struggle due to unconscious Ti, and as such take a while of letting information sink in. I sound like your INFJ friend as when watching movies with other I feel compelled to present a strong front, while using tactics like laughter to seem emotionally invulnerable - but if emotions were to manifest they would ironically come out in a flood. Still, what you've described could definitely apply to either type!
@MCPanda-bl3nc
@MCPanda-bl3nc 4 жыл бұрын
@@CognitivePersonality I rely on Ti for understanding stuff (Te is lower). Though I do have my fare share of Fi-Si, I am driven toward Fe whether I like it or not, considering all the possibilities of an implication, etc. I'm very future oriented and I would formulate my own thoughts or theories as a kid especially. I'm 100% Ni dom bc I have a sister that's INFP and my AP lang teacher from high school is INFP, so I definitely know Fi doesn't show up in me like that. In a way, Fi doms can be more selfish since they base their judgement primarily on what they think, but I primarily base my judgement from Ni-Fe. I am flexible though, so I make sure both the person and I are good with a situation. I will be selfish if I need to in order to feel as my own person bc I loathe catering to other people without also thinking of my own needs (I knew from a young age I needed to fix myself first before helping others.) As long as my needs are met and feel I can express my own opinions, I am more inclined to open up and interact with people. Ni-Fe makes me inclined to help someone at times even if I am busy at the moment. I don't regret those times though, it's what I'm driven to do. Right now, I'm a business major, going for accounting major. It's the only thing I see being paid for in the future at this time bc helping people is something I'll do when I want, such as in my personal life. I don't want to be paid for helping someone. I also find psychologists overpriced since I can do that for myself even without labelling everything 🤷‍♀️. Edit: The bursting into flowing tears is real. Once I start, I can't stop. I felt like I broke through a third wall when I learned if I caught myself early enough, I can detach myself (stop thinking of it - doesn't always work, but usually the best option - or simply look away from what is there -works with certain things-). I watched Midosmmar (Don't watch it) and I was able to practically not cry, but damn it tested my ethical patience. Not even the asshole deserved what he got at the end.
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
@@MCPanda-bl3nc Fair enough! Sounds like you have a great Fi function in any case, which is always awesome :)
@MonAhgasInsomniAroELF
@MonAhgasInsomniAroELF 3 жыл бұрын
Me, knowing 100% that I'm an INTJ: Just gotta watch to make sure.
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 3 жыл бұрын
Hope it was informative!
@zellhound156
@zellhound156 3 жыл бұрын
INFJ here doing the same thing. I think I obsessively watch videos to confirm what I already know to be true because 1. I have mental illness but I'm also used to being gaslit and told I'm lying about who I am and what I feel and 2. Apparently a lot of people want to be an INFJ (while we're all out here like. WHY) So I'm constantly terrified that maybe I am just faking it and maybe I'm not who I think I am and I just want to be sure so I can properly assess myself, my strengths and shortcomings, and compare to and understand others. I'm doing my best..
@mahisathsarani5678
@mahisathsarani5678 4 жыл бұрын
Yup. I'm an INTJ. I was doubting if I was because I tend to be very interested in helping my peers in solving any emotional turbulence they experience. I found this contrasting with how I am sometimes called out for not being empathetic. Now I realize that this is often a result of me completely missing social cues that other people put out. On the other hand, if someone directly opened up about an issue they faced, I would be able to give amazing advice as if I had experience it before (for example: in romance despite having 0 experience). I've also noticed that I have major interests in psychology and mental-illnesses than the average person - I am absolutely intrigued by understanding the human mind and applying those thought processes to myself and the important people around me.
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
This does sound highly congruent to the INTJ cognition. Cheers for your comment!
@Moodboard39
@Moodboard39 2 жыл бұрын
make sense
@maytownbrendi
@maytownbrendi 2 жыл бұрын
Precisely!
@estelakanoviya7284
@estelakanoviya7284 Жыл бұрын
Sounds exactly like me. Yes!! So happy to finally know my type after struggling for so long >.< and for you to know too hehe!!
@willardtohzejunpcps2489
@willardtohzejunpcps2489 Жыл бұрын
THAT IS SO TRUE
@brennanwalls26
@brennanwalls26 4 жыл бұрын
As an INFJ I’ve always really admired and sometimes envied the INTJ’s way of objectively controlling their emotional states and precision in what they’re doing. They have a great knowledge about feelings and emotions, but it never usually holds them back. I feel blocked because I’m too concerned with others emotions that even though I can think in a similar way to them and is usually right; I can’t always act on it because of overly thinking about the feeling and intuitive information of others in a situation. It’s overwhelming and very frustrating being an INFJ
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
I relate to this. CPT posits the Fe of an INFJ as the Authority Function, and as such as logical as we can be we hold this logic accountable to the feelings of others - it's possible to bypass this but is nonetheless stressful when we do so. INTJs by comparison are the complete opposite. They are accountable to their Te and can subsequently subdue their Fe in favour of this authority! The pressure point here is when the INTJ must readjust their values to Te logic :)
@a.r.8954
@a.r.8954 4 жыл бұрын
An INFJ can train this if they can learn that emotional control can sometimes aid in the emotional harmony of a situation. For example, I was trained in first aid early in life and so learned a degree of compartmentalization and control of intense empathic feelings. Now I use it at funerals and other intensely emotional situations so I can be of better help to others and not be overwhelmed by intense feelings in the moment
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
@@a.r.8954 Absolutely agreed + this is one of the ways in which Feeling and Thinking can actually compliment one another!
@midnightgaming.9162
@midnightgaming.9162 4 жыл бұрын
Damn. I feel for you. (INTJ here) But the MBTI is only a roughly drawn road map in the face of life's complexities (every one is different, nature and nurture etc.). Its shines brightest in its ability to show strengths but more importantly weaknesses. I've only just discovered the MBTI in the last few months but I always knew or got feedback, the stare, the lack of emotions etc.. Now Im a social butterfly and I dont mind doing it because its often the path of least resistance. It empowers me to overcome my flaws. I hate small talk but now I can and will. I think we have a dangerous kind of focus that way, always trying to be the best or improve, if pointed at ourselves (safely and correctly.. watch out..). You can do it to. Work on it, take a chance. We have advantage and affinity for not needing the approval of others, they disagree, I leave. They'll only waste more of my time and energy. If I need them, do 'the thing' with the warm smiles and focus on their fun.
@rubanihaque1479
@rubanihaque1479 4 жыл бұрын
I so wish INFJs and INTJs to get along. Why can't we together contribute to our immediate environment in a more fulfilling way! I really admire INTJs.
@nataliag2866
@nataliag2866 3 жыл бұрын
I am an INTJ and throughout my life I have been taken many times to the psychologist (especially in adolescence) and not for getting high, but for questioning authority (parents, teachers ...) and not having friends. For me it has always been very difficult to explain that it is not a lack of empathy and that I am not obsessed (at the OCD level) with analyzing everything. Thanks for explaining the personalities. To this day I still don't understand how people want to be INTJ. Being who I am has brought me a lot of problems. I have been forced to act differently so as not to be constantly judged by my family. Thank you very much!
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 3 жыл бұрын
My pleasure :)
@qwerty-ju1qd
@qwerty-ju1qd 3 жыл бұрын
That sucks, I guess being any personality type can bring you problems. I'm an ENFP and people think I'm crazy coz I laugh a lot and talk to myself. A lot of people came to my mom to "kindly" ask me to stop smiling and laughing so much and it's just very frustrating. People just automatically consider me dumb and dismiss my points even if they make a lot of sense.
@peterpeterson3385
@peterpeterson3385 3 жыл бұрын
I am an INTJ and I have never had problems with having friends, but I prefer being alone. If I have a goal that 'requires' me to stay in home and work for weeks or even months straight without seeing anyone I can easily do it. "To this day I still don't understand how people want to be INTJ." -- I would not change who I am. I am fasinated about the truth and true meaning of something. Having a long-term goal and achieving it is extremely satisfying.
@eidolonicentipede
@eidolonicentipede 3 жыл бұрын
Me too. I always wondered if something was wrong with me for not behaving the way everyone wanted me to behave, or the way everyone else behaved. I'm okay with being myself now, though, but I always wished I was more in tune with others emotions and the sensory world.
@Moodboard39
@Moodboard39 2 жыл бұрын
@@peterpeterson3385 does isfp act the same?
@DavidBadurina
@DavidBadurina 4 жыл бұрын
This video is fantastic. My INTJ friend helped me run my martial arts studio. My job was people, teaching, working with kids, maintaining good relationships with students and parents, and of course expressing the theory of what we were doing and why. My INTJ friend ran the nuts and bolts. Processes for the office and running the place, keeping track of the details in regards to our memberships, etc. We had a GREAT working relationship!
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you man! One of my oldest friends is an INTJ and he always rocks at the details - growing up we often played videogames together and it was a great combo! For so long as they aren't stepping on one another's toes I believe this can make for a totally amazing action-duo ;)
@snowflakestarprincessakiko6013
@snowflakestarprincessakiko6013 4 жыл бұрын
You always want either an ISTJ, or an INTJ around, so awesome ! ~ No one works better! ~ Prime efficiency taskmasters for sure ! ~
@brownin329
@brownin329 4 жыл бұрын
Had...what happened?
@jaimeflor4181
@jaimeflor4181 5 жыл бұрын
I’m an INFJ and I’ve always been able to empathize with others best, if I’ve been thorough something similar. If not, I might be somewhat detached and more sympathetic. I have an INTJ partner that’s perfectly capable of empathizing with others, so the stereotype that they can’t has always bothered me. The 2 of us have had conversations about empathy and our dislike of people that show little empathy towards others. She considers herself somewhat empathic and identifies herself as an introverted HSP. Anyhow, good description and comparison.
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 5 жыл бұрын
Exactly :) Sounds like what what I said resonated with your personal experience, which is awesome! Yes INTJs are incredibly empathetic and, indeed, often HSPs - I'd say this is even more common for them than INFJs!
@lisaia7877
@lisaia7877 4 жыл бұрын
Allo.
@jaimeflor4181
@jaimeflor4181 4 жыл бұрын
@@lisaia7877 Hello friend, good to see you here! By the way, I subbed your channel.
@cailinekeirsteaddesigns
@cailinekeirsteaddesigns 3 жыл бұрын
INTJ + emotional trauma will definitely help develop a skill for deciphering micro expressions :) yayyy
@noerusyunsuke
@noerusyunsuke 3 жыл бұрын
I've known quite a few INTJ (including myself) who works in mental health. we are the ones whom were very goal directed, didn't get along with other kids during school years... and was puzzled about why other people and ourselves had felt certain ways. we studied for self help and tried applying what we learnt on others, kinda like solving puzzles. and before we know it, we are already enrolling in a program delivering mental health care to others. i appreciate you stating clearly that we do emphatize. we might struggle with picking up emotions at first, but we make up for it with empathy and experience. INTPs can be just as emotionally sensitive as any other types.
@noahferguson3540
@noahferguson3540 4 жыл бұрын
17:00 I'm an INTJ and software engineer. This reminded me of a recent code review! I understand what I wrote... but where did I write it? Oh wait... it's in this Class. I remember now. So I open up the file and show it. It works. I understand it. I built it. But the cat has my tongue. It's So hard to express what it is that I just did and why and how it works. And the person reviewing my code is like, "Why did you do this? Why did you do that?" I don't know it was just intuition, I ran some tests, it worked and it fits this giant system I have imagined and uses software patterns strategically so the project can scale. Then the code reviewer revises my stuff saying, "you could have done this... and that" and suddenly it fails and throws exceptions.... and an hour later he's still debugging his changes to my code and says, "I have a meeting to go to".
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
This is such a great example - an ingenuity towards the external at the potential expense of communicating the internal process that informed it - cheers for your comment! :)
@hfortenberry
@hfortenberry 4 жыл бұрын
Been there, in a similar situation. I can't tell you how many times I was right and they just didn't see it until later. SMH...
@user-lu4fn9pe4y
@user-lu4fn9pe4y 3 жыл бұрын
Jfdyhbdthjvdd I want to lightly slap that person...
@tulips7465
@tulips7465 3 жыл бұрын
As an INTJ software engineer. I can totally relate. Haha I've always been like this, even with math. I can't explain, I just know. 😂 That's why we make for bad teachers. Haha I get angry how some people don't get it as fast as I do. But I can't help them either. 😂
@dmas7749
@dmas7749 3 жыл бұрын
@@tulips7465 i had lots of times where people asked me how i got really good at something, usually a video game, and explaining them sounded like i was reading off the wiki article and i'd lose them INXJs make for great learners, but terrible teachers, i guess
@isabeltinajero9098
@isabeltinajero9098 4 жыл бұрын
As an intj I’ve noticed that I’m not as empathetic as some of my friends but not because I don’t care, more because it bothers me to have empathy when trying to find a logical reason why something is happening
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
Cheers for sharing!
@xiimipa3_gunawanpratama176
@xiimipa3_gunawanpratama176 3 жыл бұрын
Oh my god i tought i was the only one
@hfortenberry
@hfortenberry 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you! I have always thought I was an empath and would read books on it trying to better understand that mysterious, emotional side of myself but then I thought well, as an INTJ, I guess I'm not THAT empathetic compared to feelers because we aren't good with Fe. I actually think I'm really good with Fe because I've practiced it for decades now. I forced myself to work in the restaurant industry for about 4 years in order to hone my Fe/social skills. It was HARD but it was good for me. I got fired from my first job as a waitress because I was so bad at it. LOL But over time I got really pretty good at it and ended up with promotions and offers to go into management. At that point I left and pursued my career in science and programming. Honestly, I'm still relatively blind to people's expressions in general relative to my INFJ mother but I'm not too bad. But I DO FEEL so much empathy. I feel so deeply it can hurt. I routinely cry a little when I see another person suffering. And I am soooo happy for them when they have joys and successes. Thank you for articulating that we are empathetic. I KNEW it It's so true. My Mom and I would get into discussions where I would explain how I could understand how this criminal did this or that person did that and she would be so offended. She thought that because of my ability to "understand" the bad person that I must somehow be relating to them or identifying or condoning their behavior or something. It was very distressing for her and I just could not get it through to her that I was just seeing their perspective, not condoning their behavior at all. In fact quite the opposite. My thinking is that the better you can really understand someone the more likely you are to help them heal (like if you are a therapist - I was a psychology major for awhile). And my Dad has said many times "your mother can rationalize anything" LOL. He never said it in a positive light though (they were divorced). But yeah, I am extremely altruistic. I remember being very curious to study altruism philosophically when I was young. And my global, grand plan does indeed stem from my Ni/Fi. My lifetime goal is to help the world evolve into a better world, where people can communicate better and understand themselves and others better and better express themselves using digital media. I'm extremely passionate and driven to this and have been working on it in my free time for about 15 years. One day I will reach my goal, at least with some level of success, even if only in my community or state or country. I'll be satisfied with that.
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
Yes! This is great!
@hfortenberry
@hfortenberry 4 жыл бұрын
@@CognitivePersonality I forgot to mention that my Mom was an INFJ so we had that whole Te/Fe and Fi/Ti conflict going on.
@barbarat67
@barbarat67 2 жыл бұрын
I still don't know if I am INFJ or INTJ. The thing you said with understanding the criminal resonates so much with me and I sometimes feel bad for being able to feel that way. I am so happy I have my mother an INTJ that also understands this.
@estelakanoviya7284
@estelakanoviya7284 Жыл бұрын
Oh my gosh. Thank you for sharing your story beautiful one. Cause that's EXACTLY the conversation I would have with my sisters. It didn't make sense to me why I was so different from them - why even though we all had different personalities I had to be the odd one out. And why they could never feel my empathy or love. They saw me as detached and cold when I saw them that way instead. And yes, you're so right. I believe that we need to understand to be able to help them heal. It is my philosophy as well! And yes, just cause we empathise and understand why someone "bad" does something, it don't mean we want it to happen or are on their "side" - I do get that a bit since I used to think in a very similar way too - having been affected by family members who couldn't reflect back to me any form of healthy emotional engagement. At the very least I have a rational relationship with my dad who is willing to listen to hear me share open mindedly. So that has always helped keep me a lil bit more sane as well. My own mission/purpose I'm building towards is very similar to yours. Helping people to understand their emotions, feeling safe to express them and in turn create transformations in their own lives and for their own families. I wish to assist the younger generation to shine their inner light and own who they truly are without internal judgments formed, without influence of the external world - like many of us had been influenced/conditioned by. To have a strong sense of their inner self. And for families to commit to harmony, love and understanding instead of toxicity. So I really adore this. Thanks for sharing^^
@hfortenberry
@hfortenberry Жыл бұрын
@@estelakanoviya7284 💕🥰 I wish you well in your life plan. It’s sooo needed. As an older INTJ, I will warn you to be sure you attend to that inferior Se. It’s my downfall, planning more than acting and I’m trying to have more balance between my dominant and inferior functions so I can fully realize my plans. Good luck!🍀
@jvchee06
@jvchee06 2 жыл бұрын
I know someone already said it but thank you for stating how empathetic INTJ are. The Fi child function within the INTJ is extremely altruistic and I find that a lot of individual that are into the MBTI don't understand that.
@dhisufiroafrozenseraphimdragon
@dhisufiroafrozenseraphimdragon 4 жыл бұрын
Sir, this video is very informative. I am an INTJ and everything you said is spot on definitely the part about knowing exactly what emotion I'm feeling and hiding it. Sometimes when I play games with my siblings I get annoyed when I they keep beating me but I try and hide it. Even when I win I continue to hide my emotions. I prefer to keep a straight face so no one will know what I'm feeling.
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks so much - I wish I could hide mine as that sounds like a lot of fun!!
@dhisufiroafrozenseraphimdragon
@dhisufiroafrozenseraphimdragon 4 жыл бұрын
@@CognitivePersonalityFun? Well to me it can be a bit tiresome.
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
@@dhisufiroafrozenseraphimdragon My mistake, I interpreted what you said to imply emotional games rather than hiding out of privacy! Apologies!
@dhisufiroafrozenseraphimdragon
@dhisufiroafrozenseraphimdragon 4 жыл бұрын
@@CognitivePersonality No need to apologize. Thanks for replying.
@sin3358
@sin3358 4 жыл бұрын
I've been going between calling myself an intj and Infj for a while now. I'm in the middle, literally. But after watching this video, I think I'm sliding more on the infj side
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for the comment - glad it was helpful :)
@judael5605
@judael5605 4 жыл бұрын
@@seawolf_USA I too think about past conversations of how it could have been better or worse if I were to say or handle the situation differently. And yet, I am an INTJ. Such simple theory as to whether one thinks often about past conversations or not cannot accurately determine an individual's type.
@artKarolina
@artKarolina 3 жыл бұрын
Have you considered factoring anxiety into it?
@sin3358
@sin3358 3 жыл бұрын
@@artKarolina definitely. Now I actually know for sure I am an infj. Turns out my enneagram is 8 which causes me to use Fi and Te a bit more and that caused confusion :/
@smithaphilip5020
@smithaphilip5020 3 жыл бұрын
Me too! I have taken the test a few times. I have had both the INTJ,INFJ and ISTJ as the result. I am wondering if my emotion and state of mind at the moment as the reason. Such as vengeance caused the result of INTJ, indifference ISTJ but mostly I have had iNFJ. I can resonate with many of the them. Which is why I have taken the test multiple times.
@Lowdermoomoo
@Lowdermoomoo 11 ай бұрын
As an INTJ the only thing is that you mentioned were oblivious to others emotions. We’re not, we are aware of other’s emotions, but emotions are not something we process easily, so we ignore them, our own and other’s. It’s not on our priority list. I currently had an INFJ talk about how they can’t tell apart other’s emotions from their own. I can, so I ignore them. I told them “you’re feeling anxious and overwhelmed and I can tell they are your feelings, not mine, but I have a hard time figuring out where those feelings come from and why, so I’m not going to bring it up or talk about them. I know what your feelings are but I don’t know why or how. So I’m gonna let you figure them out on your own because I know you will figure those feelings out faster than I ever can.” So yeah we are in tune with those emotions but they’re just kind of in the way, so we tend to focus on our own instead of other’s, because our own individual feelings are overwhelming and difficult enough, let alone adding other’s in there.
@kinggchile
@kinggchile 2 жыл бұрын
Just found out yesterday I'm an intj personality type, and now some of my thinking makes sense to me. I've always said that I empathize so much with humanity that it makes me a misanthrope, because I can't fathom how horrendous we can treat each other. Thank you for the video, very informative.
@appledashing3241
@appledashing3241 4 жыл бұрын
"This type can relate to almost anyone." Damn right. It's very easy for me to view through other people's eyes as if I experience what they do.
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
Thanks for confirming!
@eldeek3256
@eldeek3256 3 жыл бұрын
I relate to everything about the INFJ description except the bit about manuals! I'm always the one wanting to defer to the manual, because I have so little confidence/ instinct when it comes to figuring out external mechanisms. I have definitely given up quite quickly in frustration though, if the instructions don't seem to make any sense to me 😉
@StackAtaack
@StackAtaack Жыл бұрын
I feel like a combination of INTJ and INFJ. I’m obsessed with gaining knowledge and improving myself and think of life like a game that you can win if you make the right moves . I try to create my reality in my head and act how I want to become but I also feel like I sit back and observe my social environment and am good at reading social cues and telling how people are feeling or reading between the lines and predicting outcomes . I don’t know what the hell I am lol
@aiuchiha111
@aiuchiha111 7 ай бұрын
That's exactly me and I type as INFJ 5w4
@WestonOwens
@WestonOwens 4 жыл бұрын
I appreciate the depth and breadth of your analysis. It shows you've really taken the time to expound on the personality types, and your examples really help drive home your points!
@CognitivePersonality
@CognitivePersonality 4 жыл бұрын
Thank you, that really means a lot!
@ImToastAlso
@ImToastAlso 4 ай бұрын
You’re using the term “mechanical” and “limbic” but I’m not sure how you’re defining those.
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