Coleman Hughes | Affirmative Action

[@TheMrmoc7]

I'm a Black Physician (Nigerian immigrant). I got less respect from my peers (Whites and Indians) when I was a resident Physician because they all implicitly assumed they were better than me. I would later find out after graduation that I outscored all of them on the Board exam, and not by a small margin. Affirmative Action is the worst thing that ever happened to me.

[@TheVickikelly]

Affirmative action is racist because it discriminates based on race. It’s the soft liberal racism of low expectations of certain racial groups, disguised as kindness but implicitly racist in that it is based on the belief that black people need to be held to lower standards.

[@GuyRBrewer109]

It was not designed for you. Be careful for what you wish for....You just might get it~

[@Flex5445]

Aww poor baby! Get bent!

[@sevenjoelove]

If you believe your rant you are not as smart as you think

[@brainxtc2171]

@@sevenjoelove What drivel is this Kirk?

[@shinyguy1]

One of the most infuriating parts of this is that society doesn’t seem to care about the harms done to Asians but only about harms done to blacks and Hispanics

[@anindyamajumder6189]

Yes, this is so infuriating, the progressives apparently care so much about human rights, but this is a case of blatant discrimination against Asians, yet they don't care at all. They are promoting it & anyone even expressing some doubts about this policy is immediately termed racist.

[@Sparkyxicy]

Yooooo makes no sense

[@iancaldeian]

Please research who got reparations for the harm done to their community and who did not. Every time "backs" fight for equality, Asians, the "model-minority" (wink-wink) benefit.

[@julie5978]

One of the most brilliant and relevant minds alive today.

[@sevenjoelove]

I came here to be opened minded. I think this guy is fascinating and simple.

[@Flex5445]

You mean fascinatingly simple.

[@ИльяПономаренко-ц7о]

Omg, I'm getting an overdose of common sense as I listen to this guy

[@The7thAdam]

He talks as calmly as Thomas Sowell. Wow!!

[@Meshuga63]

He is very much inspired by Sowell in his rhetoric.

[@The7thAdam]

@blue tiger Of course, it is human nature to agree with those who agree with us and to prefer them over those who do not share the same views. Even if we listen to opposing ideas every once in a while, in the end we will still agree with and prefer those who agree with us; and if we buy into the ideology supporting the other side of the argument, we will end up agreeing with that side and preferring the people on that side over the people we once preferred. Foolishness is getting emotional over an argument so much so that you detest the individuals that oppose you more than the ideology that possesses them... We can all be foolish every now and then, it's one of the unwritten fundamental rights; but we most find a way to make compromises on both sides so we can peacefully coexist. The beauty in diversity should also be appreciated in diversity of thought.

[@ryanburdeaux]

@kyle lindsey thomas sowell is his hero or sam harris is his hero?

[@grahamsaundersstewart3982]

I agree & that's probably because he uses the 'facts based' platform to make his point

[@eusebiollupi4629]

Exactly my thoughts along the Thomas Sowell lines!

[@chaule457]

This is so true. My oldest son was diagnosed with ADD. Instead of allowing someone else to put a label on him, my husband and I decided to make him work harder. Society will never give you chances, unless you try to create opportunities yourself. Having challenges is a blessing to allow you to make yourself better. Challenges create leaderships, before and always.

[@asianamericanadvice6016]

The best summary of the albatross of affirmative action I have ever heard on KZbin. And done so straightforwardly and succinctly by one of the Malcolm X- like logicians of our times. To stand up for the humanity of Asians may not be that bold, but still extremely rare among people with a big platform. Thank you. As my father told me, we are all brethren.

[@Bamcis100]

These things HAVE to be openly acknowledged if there's to be ANY hope for true improvement in those black lives that "matter" so much.

[@helenlundeberg]

why the quotes around "matter" ?

[@dlpogge]

I would suppose that it's because the interest group that claims that sentiment in their title act in ways that suggest that to them those lives don't really matter as much as they claim.

[@BeneGesseritWitch]

I have never seen a more ineffective program as affirmative action.

[@E2you]

It’s extremely effective in being used to undermine the accomplishments of those seen as benefiting from affirmative action and not simply seen as high achievers.

[@dantecampagna9265]

It’s a bandaid for the problem within department of education funding

[@Meinan4370]

My sister got accepted to MIT. She toured the campus and felt like it wasaint for her because the level of the students was too high to compete. She had a 4.3 gpa and got a perfect score on the SAT. A minority who got in on affirmative action with lower scores will have no chance of competing.

[@Sp0tthed0gt]

Affirmative action make college principals feel virtuous, and doesn't hurt their income.

[@watsufizzi]

Its very simple really. Either we can judge someone based on race or we dont. AA is the former.

[@RUHappyATM]

You have to cultivate the culture of learning early in life.

[@chamboyette853]

One thing I find very refreshing about him which no-one has stated, is that he says "black" rather than "African American". Really nice to hear since I find the word "African American" to be very wrong in so many ways : 1. It makes further distinctions between whites and blacks since mostly whites aren't called :"European American", 2. It is false since most blacks have European ancestry, 3. It is racially divisive since it gives more importance to African ancestry even if that might make up only 1% of the person's genetic makeup.

[@mosabari7681]

This is an honest pros and cons list

[@Peter-rg4ng]

The next great American Intellectual - his depth of thought, breadth of knowledge and rationality put him in the top 1%. I want him as President of the United States.

[@taejinpark5291]

This guy should be running for president.

[@ahappylion8270]

Affirmative action should be based on income and postal code not race

[@carlidennis6105]

That would ensure that those black students feel inadequate & be on academic probation, when if they were to be accepted into a college that they worked their way to get into, they will more than likely be at the very top of their class. Inequality has never HELPED someone.

[@ahappylion8270]

@@carlidennis6105 i mean im against affirmative action in any form but if you had to have it...

[@bueler4950]

It should be completely abolished, and Apologies and reparations should be made to all the qualified people that it pushed out because of its systemic racist nature

[@aoshishinamori2037]

"Asians, you have to score more to get into our school" Asian: (goes ultra instinct super saiyan) "Bring it on!" (Proceeds to kick exam's butt)

[@charlescoryell4239]

I laughed but these kind of stereotypes hold up the idea that Asians are expected to score higher on the SAT’s

[@bryanf4243]

Charles Coryell they do though

[@stepheninczech]

Even ultra instinct can't help you if your race is capped at a percentage.

[@norm1158]

I love this guy! Well, not love exactly. But I really like how his mind works.

[@astrixx]

Real. Talk. My man

[@sisigpapi]

He has a really soothing cadence in his voice

[@krijnvisee5561]

Good job! Keep 'm coming!

[@globalman]

An impressive and courageous man. Certainly he is not popular with Woke, SJW, BLM etc as well as many in the black community. His honesty, sincerity and desire to focus on facts and truth rather than the negative and false narrative are heroic.

[@kathrynnard2133]

I was a White state employee in Alabama for 25 years and there were two cases where one a job was created for me because I did so well at one state agency that another state agency saw where I could be a positive in their Department and they created a position for me. a black lady heard about the job and she had a friend that was on the state list for this position and her friend had no clue about anything in reference to this job that I have been doing for years and because she was black they had to give her the job affirmative action. 7 years later There was another job that I had took the test and transferred to another department so when my name came up up on the list I would be able to apply for the job but when my name came up on the list one of my black supervisors met me in the parking lot and he told me that he didn't want me to get the job because I was white and he had a black girl that he wanted to have the job and he told me not to even apply. I knew about the affirmative action and I knew that as a white person we had to wait until all the blacks on the list got a job before they would even consider us. In both cases when I came home my husband said don't worry God is in control and in both cases positiv came out. The first job I had wanted so bad to get into that agency that they created the job for me but because I wasn't given the job I had seven years following other jobs in the state that allowed me to take the test for a much higher paying job. And 7 years later the second time I was denied a job because I was white that first agency 7 years prior pulled my name off the list and they wanted me so I ended up back in that department that I had wanted to go to 7 years prior. When I went back that girl that got my job was still there in the same position 7 years later but I came in at a much higher paying job. In both cases I learned the important lesson that When God Says no I grow.

[@flowrepins6663]

n now the blm will blame ur sucess as priviledge...

[@kathrynnard2133]

@@flowrepins6663 it's a mentality as an excuse not to have to put the effort out there. I live in Montgomery Alabama we're Rosa Park years ago took a stand and sat down on the bus so her people could get out there and have the opportunities to get out there and work and be successful. But yet we have so many young people in their 20s 30s that all day long just sit on a front porch drug and drinking and talking to people that have gone nowhere in life and being influenced by them. I have said too many of them Rosa Park didn't sit on that bus for you to sit on the front porch and not work. You are disgracing her memory and her Legacy. I am 63 and I do hard labor around my house in my yard. And I had work 40 something years before retiring but it's these people that say I have what I have because I'm white. It's because they don't recognize work ethics because they've never done it a day in their lives and they've been taught to excuse themselves by faults things they have been taught. I pray one day they'll see the truth before it's too late.

[@BMfCC85]

@@kathrynnard2133 The Montgomery, Al that just elected the first black Mayor although they had the majority population for years. Hello, gerrymandering much!!! Political, educational and economic oppression caused those conditions. You discarded so much history that led to conditions that African Americans are in there, that it is a dismissive way to not look at the real reason. Lower AL is the worst. P.S. we are still fighting!

[@BMfCC85]

@@kathrynnard2133 Also, you can talk all day, but you will never know what it is like being African American in AL, surrounded by some white people that smile in your face and politically, economically, educationally and mentally deprive you of opportunities. That is why AA benefitted African Americans; however, many have found a loophole and use white women as prop for financial gain through AA. I study AL history and the half has not been told to most African Americans. So, that is why it is funny to read your short sided comments, to realize how much you can gloss over history and to hear your moral judgement. You act as if racism stopped when black people where able to sit at the front of dang bus. Honestly, it sad that Rosa's story is the only thing you mention. My grandmother bought a house in central AL in 80's, but did not have a chance to move in because whites burned down the house to prevent my family from staying there. I bet you had the privilege' of not being hated or discriminated' against because you are white.

[@shelbydurham7678]

This happens with employment as well...

[@shelbydurham7678]

Asian are considered Caucasian and white kids cant get ahead with affirmative actions👀

[@TS-cn7jz]

How about legacy admissions to universities?

[@ericlee650]

Both needa be gone

[@wikilee8928]

Asian parents sacrifice EVERYTHING for their children's education that the other races don't. Asian children have strong sense of obligation to pay back their parents by studying hard; it's in our blood. For thousands of years, Confucious teaches us that the only way out for common people is getting good education. Jewish people have long tradition of placing education as the first priority. No wonder Jewish students and Asian students do so well in school. I don't care how you reshuffle the Affirmative Action, on average Jewish students and Asian students will always be top of the class, unless you change your own cultures.

[@MrDanielfff777]

He should be a sociologist

[@ZJSUAVE]

His point about it only helping middle class is debatable I’d like to see the figures for that.

[@davidolalekan529]

So not only does it put other groups at a disadvantage (mainly Asian Americans) but there’s not even any evidence that it even helps black people that need it? At this point it’s useless

[@Nezuko_yoyo]

I feel like affirmative action is also going to fuel racism a bit because if it passes, that means a black person will never be able to feel like we got somewhere because of hard work, we will always feel as if we only get places because of affirmative action and not because we actually reached a high standard. it's also mildly insulting because its like saying 'well, because of your race, you have to have the bar lowered for you, because (implicitly) there's no way you can compete unless we lower the bar because since you're black'. like really? there has to be some other way to make the playing field fair. i understand people want to make the playing field fair and to level things out but you can't fight racism with racism.

[@reggie93441]

I like Coleman Hughes

[@oliverphippen1957]

It is racial discrimination but oh so necessary to make the ground level academically

[@MrRicardowill]

West Indians didn't experience the kind of racism Black Americans experienced. We don't have the psychological effects of racism on Black America. I don't think it justifies the Affirmative Case argument.

[@hypolitej]

Coleman should not allow AA to be defined by the powerful elite. Is it AA when a state with a few hundred thousand people is given the same number of senators as a state with 20 million people? Is it AA when children of alumni are given preferential treatment? How about all the AA that occurs because the powerful elite can give special treatment to their friends and family without the public knowing. How about the AA practiced under the color of law when congress gives a ginormous tax cut to the richest people in the country? Let’s hear you address these firms of AA. Don’t just allow the powerful to define AA for you when there are all kinds of AA taking place.

[@tightywhitey9779]

Joseph Hypolite I don’t know what you mean by most of this comment, but each state has 2 senators because of the constitutions. The founders wanted the senate to be separate from the House to avoid rapid legislation. The founders wanted gridlock. They wanted dysfunction in law making because that’s what preserves our basic individual freedoms

[@hypolitej]

Tighty Whitey my point is that the founders enshrined a form of AA into the constitution to endure that small states with not as many people are not ignored during election time. By giving them the same number of senators as states with many more people this enhanced their leverage. The founders decided that this special treatment fir smaller states was necessary to preserve the our firm of democracy. If the founders can justify this kind of AA because of what they claim is an overarching interest then certainly colleges, universities and government can justify AA because of what they claim are overarching interest regarding diversity and inclusion and ensuring that all groups get a fair shake.

[@tightywhitey9779]

@@hypolitej Okay, I see what you're saying. I personally think that different situations should be considered for college admissions, but when its strictly about the color of your skin, that's systematic racism in my opinion. Nobody should ever be judged solely on their skin color, its just wrong when were supposed to be in a society that values equal dignity and respect for all. You see where I'm coming from?

[@hypolitej]

Tighty Whitey but it’s not solely on the color of your skin. If it was then any moron could get in based on skin color alone. Keep in mind that background may be one of many considerations but you still have to have a minimum GPA to get in unlike the recent scam where white rich people were bribing officials to get their kids into elite schools. This systematic preferential treatment has been going on for a long time. Studies also show systematic racism against Asians because too many Asians were scoring above whites so whites were getting preferential treatment when Asians were scoring higher.

[@tightywhitey9779]

@@hypolitej Ideally, race shouldn't be considered in college admissions. That's all I'm saying.

[@iancaldeian]

I'm a black Caribbean "West Indian" Educator who graduated from Colombia in the top 5 percentile of my class and am glad that Affirmative Action exists for descendants of enslaved black people. Yep, my ancestors were enslaved in a different part of the "Americas". Had it not been for AA, I am convinced that I would not have been admitted to Colombia despite my 3.7 GPA from NYU (first to enter college in my family, lived on 3 continents, volunteered for the Peace Corps, taught in an underserved community etc). Once someone scores above a certain level, she is competitive with everyone else who are in a similar bracket even if they score a few hundred points higher (or lower) in one or two tests. Test scores are based on how well you prepare for that test. Nothing more.

[@rkgamage6383]

Great points

[@vijaynair2403]

This guy is a good egg! I hope he speaks out more and more people listen to what he has to say. PS: Dang! Michele is HOT!

[@Andrew-gq2ot]

The biggest beneficiaries of AA were Ww, Immigrants and " people of color" For some reason we fail to bring that up. AA was originally designed for Freedman Blacks ( legacy lineage) as a remedy for past injustices that began in 1619 on up to the Civil Rights act of 1964-1968 This guy speaking isnt of Freedmen decent ( American Blacks whos ancestors were born in the United States of America) he's a decendent of those who immigrated here after the Civil Rights Movement. Prior to 1965 Black and People of Color immigration to America was to the right of the decimal point on a percentage basis. So the Civil Rights Movement made it possible for non European immigrants to migrate to America.

[@TheBlindArcher.]

For him to say “people like himself who don’t really need the help...” is where I believe he get this one wrong. It comes from an idea that his success and qualifications are the reasons why he wouldn’t need the help. However affirmative action would be in his favor to say, at the level of equal qualifications the white person doesn’t always get the job because of their skin color. It removes that final factor of “who would fit best in the company” from a cultural aspect. Equally qualified black vs white, the white candidate gets the job more so due to majority white employers

[@helenlundeberg]

He's specifically talking about getting into Harvard though. It's only based on academic performance and credentials in theory contrarily to a job interview success where you have other factors.

[@tropingreenhorn]

If you get into a high level and rigorous university, and you struggle, you have to at least be able to pass classes for all of that struggle to be worth it! If you could have graduated in the top 5% of your class at a slightly less elite school, why not go there?! Regardless of your ethnicity! The larger demographic of the US is so mediocre, and doing well in Mid level Universities is so rewarding, especially if you opt in for a more rigorous and challenging degree like a STEM field.

[@GanonGhidorah]

When you look at the term "Affirmative Action" and take into consideration the context therein, you realize that it's an action taken by someone else - supposedly for the benefit of someone underprivileged - but it's not so. The "Affirmative Action" taken is only ever to affirm something to the one doing the action and not the recipient. It's "validation" of their shared delusion that they did something to help someone who couldn't help themselves, so that they can pat themselves on the back for it. It's condescending, demeaning, and self-affirming.

[@RespectMyAuthoritaah]

The soft bigotry of low expectations.

[@greganderson6849]

@@RespectMyAuthoritaah a very misguided understanding of the genesis of affirmative action. It was born out of a necessity to make profession less "white and male". Why is my profession predominantly white and male, you ask? It is NOT because white men have an additional chromosome which bequeathed to them some additional intellectual gifts. HARDLY!!!! My profession is dominated by white men (mainly of modest intellectual talent) for reasons such as nepotism, cronyism, and good ole boy favoritism as much as anything else. What's more if EVERYONE sitting around the table making the HIRE/NO HIRE decision is of one demographic then it stands to reason most of the hires are of that same demographic. Affirmative action was an attempt to rectify that inequity. So that venom you spew about "low expectations" is uninformed crap.....you know not of what you speak.

[@RespectMyAuthoritaah]

@@greganderson6849 Yea, I have heard all that before. That is how it is supposed to work and its all unicorns and rainbows. But, it doesn't actually work that way. I have personally been impacted by Affirmative Action all my working life and I do know exactly how it is implemented and used. Affirmative Action is a racist and sexist policy that allows government sanctioned discrimination against white males. All the venom you spew is so people can continue to oppress white males in the name of equality. You do not know what you are talking about.

[@greganderson6849]

@@RespectMyAuthoritaahYou're delusional, and morbidly obtuse. Typical

[@RespectMyAuthoritaah]

@@greganderson6849 I am trying to a shit about your opinion, but it is just not happening. I will leave you with those famous words. "I don't care." - somebody famous said that.

[@vijaynair2403]

Two things... 1. Coleman is completely right...as always. 2. The interviewer is so pretty!

[@lebusiness2847]

and intelligent

[@robertmoraga5160]

I have a question if anyone can answer please? He says at the end that West Indies blacks do far better than American blacks and says that eliminates the idea of systematic racism. Couldn’t one argue that blacks Americans don’t do so well compared to West Indies blacks because they grew up in America where there is systemic racism whereas west indie blacks grew up outside of America and maybe haven’t experienced racism on the same level. I’m not sure exactly, just thinking out loud, would appreciate input

[@thewanderingpedophobe3626]

It was more of a comparison to the second generation after the west Indies immigrated to America, it's was to say that the second generation of west Indies immigrants out performed the black community even tho they grew up here, hope this helps, this is what I got from what he said

[@robertmoraga5160]

Hobopigs oh ok thanks

[@fahrankamili7931]

His calm demeanor reminds me of Sam Harris so much

[@joshboston2323]

I feel he’s imitating him a lot. The way he breathes, the cadence of the voice, the the “pincer” gesture with his fingers. It’s obvious to me..

[@kevinklein4748]

Honestly, he comes across as a smart kid... sounds a bit like the black version of Sam Harris LOL. I'm not sure if I agree with his views, and I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of Afro-Americans will disagree with him as well. But I'll acknowledge that I haven't dived that deep into the details of Affirmative Action yet. What I will say though is that, as a positive discrimination policy, it's not going to be perfect, but it's still a lot better than the type of discrimination that people of colour have faced throughout U.S. history. To some extend, we carry the burden of our ancestors... I know it sucks, but it's just the way it is. Doing nothing and "moving forward" is most certainly not going to be the solution either.

[@sevenjoelove]

So is speaking against. But what is the alternative. If such is the disease, then what is the cure.

[@Maxipadtriplesix]

Either A) Make affirmative action a more well targeted benefit (meaning it either stops focusing on race and instead focuses on class) or B) Get rid of affirmative action

[@sevenjoelove]

But women are the majority of the recipients of AA. Especially white women. He is just race baiting in the name of race batting. The problem he should be talking about is how this limits black students because less than 10percents of the slots are available to us. I was a high achiever at my undergraduate school. I was in the top one percent, most of my peers in my department were white and not even in the top 5 percent. Does that mean they didn't have a right to be there? This speaker is a fool

[@sevenjoelove]

@@Maxipadtriplesix read my reply. I posted on this thread.

[@mademsoisellerhapsody1868]

@@sevenjoelove Once again: Women, ALL Women, benefitted most from the EEOC Act. The EEOC Act and Affirmative Action are two different things. EEOC came out in 1972. Look at job ads from the 1950'S and 1960's and you may be able to discern why the EEOC Act would be beneficial to ALL women. Stop repeating what you heard and go read the actual source.

[@rajgauthamgs]

When it comes to affirmative action, his argument or calling of missing-statistics presents of his unwillingness to explore what good it (affirmative action) has done, and about 'shifting goal-post' is not the right analogy because equitable society is NOT a game of definite time/score, it is about continuous relay-race (not in a circle), here some groups (ethnic) got the advantage of starting early so data he is looking for need more time with affirmative action. Even in India, we have a similar social justice system in place and his argument is NOT different from some who started the race(relay race) and having the advantage doesn't want others in the same ethnic group getting it (either because of lack of their humanitarian study of growing together or selfish reasons).

[@kylerobinson8913]

Isn't this guy parroting Thomas Sowell?

[@RUHappyATM]

He's Sowell jnr.

[@nancy6487]

Possibly. Truth speaking is truth speaking, regardless who said it first.

[@nancy6487]

RUHappyATM that’d would an honor. Dr Thomas Sowell is a National leader & legend.

[@novemberflower7027]

kyle robinson He’s speaking common sense. Pretty sure it’s been spoken by many others apart from Thomas Sowell.

[@52000rightwing]

In the same way that Milton Friedman was parroting Adam Smith. If one person states a fact, and another person repeats that fact later on, that doesn’t make the second person a parrot. He just knows his facts.

[@reggie93441]

Affirmative action is a bad policy due to the fact that because of your race or gender you automatically qualified for a position is asinine

[@manuelmoraleda9684]

Why not call it was it is - CorrectIve Action ? It is an attempt to correct the wrong or disparity that exist.

[@jillpatton3432]

You can't correct one wrong with another.

[@bashlove9641]

Congratulations dude you bought a Thomas Sowell book.

[@jvaish]

Congratulations. You made a comment about someone you know nothing about.

[@ConsueloCastanuela]

Totally. A crock of sheet. Saw that as soon as it came out years ago...

[@VallanoMedia801]

Well thankfully affirmative action has been struck down

[@bobbob-sv4mk]

He moves though fingers

[@aaronlabuka]

Not american but let me give my point on this: If really there is any willing to help black people it is better to improve their level education from the ground. Trying to repair a gap by setting a standard access to universities based on a race with such policy like affirmative action is an hypocrisy.

[@etcetc2478]

It also allows them to discriminate Asians

[@penguin1969]

He reminds me of Jordan Peterson

[@The7thAdam]

True! True!! And Thomas Sowell.

[@The7thAdam]

@Hersh Shorsh not his mannerisms, just the quality of his words and the calmness with which he speaks.

[@InsidiousJazz]

Ouch, take that Coleman Hughes!

[@The7thAdam]

@Hersh Shorsh my definition of the word is only limited to hand gestures and tonal inflections, I didn't know it included general conduct... Ultimately, I think it boils doing to individual perception, two people could look alike to one person yet another person would see no resemblance whatsoever. Well, thank you for the conversation.

[@eclipsewrecker]

Hersh Shorsh I think that you’re limiting the ways in which the phrase “reminds me..” can refer to: mannerisms are one way.

[@karlpopper601]

Diversity is good and maybe valuable in academic. But the portion control is needed. AA portion must be kept low.

[@inikalinden7335]

What does he mean when saying one of the smartest kids from US but not necessarily MIT smart? Is MIT requiring even higher IQ or is he talking about you could be smart in language but maybe not so much in mathematical logic and therefore MIT isn’t the right choice?

[@svmathtutor]

I'm not sure about MIT, but even if you score a perfect 800 in math, you end up only at 20% of CalTech. That means 80% of the applicants to CalTech also scored a perfect 800.

[@svmathtutor]

@Jamie Scott Agreed. That's exactly what he meant. It's a big shock when you are used to kicking everybody's ass in the United States, but then you run into the best and brightest in the WORLD. Super smart geniuses from Hong Kong, China, Russia, Middle East, India, etc. It's humbling yet exciting to be amongst that brainpower.

[@novemberflower7027]

When is diversity ever a good thing?

[@brainxtc2171]

Your all-white team football team would lose to my multicultural team. Your all-white science department would have less success against my multicultural science team. Proper Diversity is always a good thing.

[@leonardu6094]

@@brainxtc2171 lol any data to support this?

[@brainxtc2171]

leonard u seriously? 😂 do you think an all white basketball team would beat a multicultural team? An organization without artificial restrictions has obvious advantages.

[@gregorywullaert8618]

Diversity is a good thing because it allows a larger pool of talent and intelligence which means more chances for better participants (a more creative scientist may come from a poor community, for example). The hiccup is that forced diversity can get in the way of the talent pool if the attribute in question is unrelated to the goal (gender is unrelated to ability to do well in school, for example. If you insist that 50% of acceptances to a college are male, you may lose out on intelligent females that would have pushed that number down to 45% even though they are more apt than the bottom 5% of the men in question)

[@leonardu6094]

@@gregorywullaert8618 lol people still believe this shit?

[@carlosbanderas4238]

Even If It does Help. It is inherently racist. If you think it is okay to fight racism with racism you are basically a fascists/communist.

[@3lbUniverse]

Sniff, Sniff. Smells like a military disinfo op.

[@buzinaocara]

I'm curious. Can you explain what you mean further?

[@billybob-tl2tb]

Not true again buddy....I know a lot of people who benefit from Affirmative Action that have done well at Ivy league schools.....

[@TooLegit2Quit84]

He's talking stats, not anecdotal evidence. A lot of people can point to personal experiences that aren't in line with the norm - that isn't proof. Also, even if it did benefit all POC, it would still be a racist policy because it's based on race. And...it hurts Asians.

[@alexsington]

@@TooLegit2Quit84 exactly

[@rainlakuma6443]

Abra AWE-bruh Singleton The problem with you people is that you either use entirely anecdotal evidence or entirely stat based evidence. Reality has more nuance to it, statistics are just a guide to that nuance. You have to consider both sides or you aren’t getting the complete picture.

[@darkengine5931]

​@@rainlakuma6443 When the stats contradict the anecdote, the anecdote is unlikely to paint a remotely accurate picture. I do agree about the benefits of combining both to form nuanced assessments when they are in harmony with each other, but completely ignoring the big picture in favor of anecdotes leads to a superstitious mindset (including the type that fuels prejudice towards entire groups of people based on experiences with just a few).

[@iDokoMedia]

Just because you scored higher in a medical exam doesn’t mean you’re going to make a good doctor, other factors are considered.

[@gold.rogers9707]

When did he even state that?

[@iDokoMedia]

Gol D. Rogers He didn’t mention it once, my point exactly. Admissions are not granted purely on test scores. Even if race was taken off the table, other factors are considered. We spend so much time arguing over the small space black people occupy when 90% of the entrants have gotten in based on legacy and other privileges we don’t like to talk about....most of those happen to be white. We are not complaining about your larger share of the cake. Just leave ours alone.

[@gold.rogers9707]

@@iDokoMedia He's talking about how affirmative action is harming asian students not white people.

[@iDokoMedia]

Gol D. Rogers I know

[@gold.rogers9707]

@@iDokoMedia oh ok. you made it seem like affirmative action was ok.

[@XlogicXX]

This man looks at the world from a "white" man's perspective. But he's black. I wonder if he would have the same view if he was one of the so-called lower class "black" folk. Not saying affirmative action is the best. But what's your solution for bridging the gap of generational inequality and injustice.

[@commoncure3335]

would you like my money?

[@XlogicXX]

@@commoncure3335 what money?

[@Malignus68]

Coleman Hughes may be smart, but he is boring AF.

[@jrad410]

This is guy is giving some very suspect answers

[@Will_Moffett]

"Hi. I'm a kid. I looked up affirmative action on Wikipedia. I expert now. Listen to me. I'm a minority with contrarian opinions and I go to good school. I'm a kid." You can read the transcript above and skip the video.

[@tnbn55]

twitter.com/i/status/1141929583517696001

[@gregorywullaert8618]

What did he say in this clip that is incorrect?

[@Will_Moffett]

@@gregorywullaert8618 I recall there being a whole big box of ignorance there that could be unpacked. I'm not going to take the time to unpack it all just because you typed a sentence. But I am willing to scrutinize the absolute first thing he said (and any particular thing he said at any point that you pick out that you think is correct). He starts by characterizing affirmative action as a policy which is racially discriminatory by definition. That is literally true but actually false under the common understanding of what racial discrimination means. If we held all forms of racial discrimination as equally bad, regardless of the purpose behind the technical "discrimination" then it might have been impossible to, say, give Black people in the South some measure of funding to start new lives in the aftermath of slavery. They actually didn't get the 40 acres and a mule, but unless you believe Black people shouldn't be compensated for their labor and given some accommodations to start independent lives, then you would need to employ "racial discrimination" in order to distribute the measures. The practical implication (and this is where the giant fissure lies between people on either side of this issue) is that remedies that recognize the trans generational effects of racial discrimination are also racial discrimination and are thus forbidden.

[@gregorywullaert8618]

@@Will_Moffett But you admit that he is literally correct. Is there any reason via what he said to think he was trying to imply the negative definition you cite? Hughes says that he isn't inherently opposed to affirmative action (so it doesn't sound like he was using the negative version of "discrimination" you reference); he just doesn't believe AA is justified given its (lack of) results.

[@TooLegit2Quit84]

@spot light - It's so racist to believe that POC have to all think a certain way, and if they don't they're "token blacks" or "puppets." He's formed his own views. He doesn't form beliefs based on his skin color.

[@Will_Moffett]

None of his arguments either make sense or seem to account for the etiology of affirmative action. These are extremely superficial points which I have to think are being seen by some people as interesting because they are being made by a black person who goes to Columbia.

[@mati9078]

Right?! I'm seeing this more and more often. Certain black people who seem pretty intellectual and articulate who make points that sound good to those that want to hear them. But ask the right questions and those points unravel very quickly.