Shedeur Sanders & Travis Hunter NFL Draft predictions, CFP picks | Colin Cowherd College Football

[@sowelly2808]

I feel like Abdul Carter could go pretty high. Penn State players have consistently impressed in the NFL combine since Barkley coming out

[@justinbrosious6601]

Probably top 5

[@PFlow007]

Jesus... Ive been listening this guy for 20 yrs... i remember him on espn radio

[@JasonBonney-pu3bd]

You both listed 4-5 can't miss prospects without saying a word about Ashton Jeanty... 🤦

[@jakeanderson503]

Because he isn’t a can’t miss prospect, undersized and plays weak comp

[@JasonBonney-pu3bd]

@jakeanderson503 😂 he destroyed Oregon. The #1 team in the country. Jeanty is the perfect size for a RB 5'9 210 dude is LaDanian Tomlinson 2.0 you have no idea what you are talking about my man. Pay attention Friday night vs Penn State. Maybe the top defense in the country and get back at me afterwards. I'll bet my 🏠 your tone will be different.

[@JasonBonney-pu3bd]

@jakeanderson503 You probably didn't like Tomlinson or Marshall Faulk coming out in the draft either 😂😂😂 thought they were "undersized" 😆

[@jakeanderson503]

@@JasonBonney-pu3bd ur naming the exceptions to the norm, not the norm, statistically, a guy at that size is tough to call a can’t miss prospect

[@JasonBonney-pu3bd]

@@jakeanderson503 that is the norm my friend... Barkley, Gibbs, Robinson, McCaffrey, Williams (LAR), etc. All top RB'S in the NFL and all similar in stature. Jeanty averaged 13 yards per reception this year as a RB! His vision is ELITE just like Tomlinson and Faulk. Zero history of injury. He is a can't miss. Point blank end of story.

[@nicholaswoods4055]

Qb: 1. Sanders 2. Ward 3-10. God only knows Rb: 1. Jeanty 2. Judkins 3. Hampton 4. Sampson 5. Henderson Wr: 1. Burden 2. McMillan 3. Lacy 4. Egbuka 5. Bond Te: 1. Warren 2. Loveland Offensive line: 1. Banks 2. Campbell 3. Savaiinaea Defensive line: 1. Graham 2. M williams 3. Scourton 4. Sawyer 5. T. Williams Linebacker: 1. carter 2. walker 3. Pierce 4. Perkins 5. Higgins Db: 1. Hunter 2. Starks 3. Johnson 4. Watts 5. Morrison

[@Jfc254]

Colin’s college football takes are so comically bad

[@htvlogs80]

Travis Hunter will be a NFL star, doesn’t matter if your team is in need of a QB, you must draft Hunter. As far as Sanders, he’s a bust, don’t understand why people hyping this guy.

[@Thegentlemansclub619]

@MarySmith-n1uyour a lie 😂😂😂

[@Thegentlemansclub619]

That’s not what the numbers say sanders is a bust is stupid comment is not the hype it’s the numbers and him iq why don’t you actually evaluate football then saying bs

[@Truckloadlil]

Idk if it’s just me but shedeur doesn’t amaze me when I’m watching him throw the football, he’s a good player tho

[@michaelkerwin4755]

I would never pick him in the top 28

[@markDwattssr]

Sanders stood in the pocket getting absolutely destroyed sometimes and made money plays time and time again. He is a highly intelligent student of the game and he’s used to pressure on and off the field. Sanders is the best QB in this class IMO and I don’t see him missing a beat transitioning to the NFL game.

[@michaelkerwin4755]

@@markDwattssr I don't care what his last name is an how that makes him more ready for the NFL cause the lights always been on him Im not being a hater or taking anything away from the kid I just don't see him being a real NFL QB a lot of people talk about his arm but that's half of the NFL anymore there's only a few big arms anymore I just don't think he have the talent

[@markDwattssr]

@ lol ok buddy…. I said nothing about his last name at all but since we’re on the subject, he’s had the best coaching throughout his entire football career as a youngster. Again though he stands in there and takes hits while he throws dimes regardless of the pressure, he has a high football IQ, and a live arm. You can’t depend on your last name on a football field, he has the numbers, the acumen, and the arm…. They don’t draft you in the first round because of your name either. Watch and learn youngin

[@PeterDahu]

I think he has the same issues Caleb Williams has. Takes too many sacks. Also wonder if how he performs without Travis Hunter winning 50-50 balls.

[@TruthTeller3000]

Thanks for not picking Georgia. We love when y’all doubt us. Georgia vs Everybody! Let’s Go!

[@PeterDahu]

They made the right call

[@ChrisJohnson-ub7xc]

The hate is real ! Happy New Year😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅😅

[@jfromthed6030]

I think Cam Miller out of NDSU underrated

[@erik22lax]

I picked Texas to win it all before the season started-not so sure now. Penn St I think might take the trophy this year looking at the brackets now.

[@justinbrosious6601]

I like it

[@themoneyman1752]

To say these QBs won’t go top 5 or top 3 makes 0 sense cause they will just based off the teams that need a QB

[@byronpayne4824]

Why everyone sleeps on GA? All these heavy run trams have no chance against GA. One thing GA do well is stop the run. Outside of a running QB

[@GodsKingdom10]

Martinez, the RB from Miami is going to be a stud. Don't be surprised if he ends up a charger

[@TheGamer0125]

Mason Graham and Tmac went to the same highschool (servite in anaheim ca)…we still lost to Mater Dei in the southern section…insane

[@Davisp9624]

Collin gon always find a way to loop in USC.

[@bobmerc3312]

POOR DRAFT PICKS THIS YEAR. PERIOD.

[@harveyhankerson8359]

Most definitely !!. My goodness. They look like high school players.

[@kenwright5410]

Particularly for quarterbacks

[@Nowledgeman]

I hope someone gives hunter a chance at both sides of the ball. I just want to see it

[@cedtaylor8809]

I’m usually a fan hearing you two talk about draft prospects hurts my head. Every other player is either can’t miss or every single running back is a nfl starter. lol

[@heath1948]

Just know that Ward, Sanders and Hunter will be going to teams where they're expected to be the Savior because well that's the way it goes You're amazing in college you go to the worst team expected to be their savior at whatever position you're playing

[@c07111]

Somebody really doesn’t like Sanders or Ward…that one has to diminish their value. If a team needs a QB those are the two they need to be looking at. It’ll be interesting to see Sanders play with an OLine that can protect him.

[@garyco766]

Absolutely. That said, they would have been the 7th and 8th best QBs in last years class. It's just a weak draft this year. Also, it's a reach to assume that if Sanders gets taken high in the draft, that he'll go to a team with a good O-line.

[@Amber-ed3vd]

The way they hissing at them is wild. Funny. Hope shedeur and Cam come out and kill it

[@daa_97]

@@garyco766sanders was projected 3 or 4th best QB last year

[@garyco766]

@@daa_97 Project whatever you want, he wasn't/isn't better than Bo Nix or Penix who went 5th and 6th among QBs. If you actually watch him play you know that.

[@brett4932]

Giants and raiders winning this week was just unreal hilarious. Now it’s going to cost one of them a crazy haul to draft a complete mid QB. Both sanders and Ward would have been consensus drafted AFTER Bo Nix last year 🤣

[@j.r.3945]

Nah Drake maye masterclass coming up giants are losing bc saquon wants the rushing record and the jags are the jags ig

[@brett4932]

@ high chance maye and gonzo don’t even play this week.

[@macarthurclutch2666]

Cam is better than shaduer.. shaduer holds the ball way too long and gets sacked too much in college imagine the pros.

[@Ali_Khalifah]

Big Ben did the same thing. When the QB holds the too is QB that move around the pocket. Peyton got rid of the ball because he was not mobile.

[@justindavila5829]

My guy watch the tape entirely how long does sheuduer hold the ball before getting pressured he can't throw the ball away every other play this season they never lost a game from him holding the ball it was always defense losing the game from not stop the run most of the time kansas rb put up like 200 something rushing yards on them

[@macarthurclutch2666]

@ I just don’t see it I see him having terrible games when he play good teams..cam ward has a better arm he’s more athletic..I don’t think shaduer is a first found talent I think he’s more like a fourth fifth round pick to be honest looking at him play nothing really stands out he plays good against bad teams he moves very slow and mechanical.

[@macarthurclutch2666]

@@Ali_Khalifah don’t compare him to Big Ben shaduer is nowhere near the talent of Ben

[@justindavila5829]

@macarthurclutch2666 against what team did he have a bad game other than byu and before that they was off for a month so they probably been bull shitting they thought they can practice a week before and when the game

[@jpick3113]

I think the truth is sanders will go first round, probably top 15. One of the teams with the top 5 picks might convince themselves it’s worth the question marks. If not there will be atleast one team looking at him falling and pulls trigger. Personally I don’t think he’s ready nor do I think he will have much nfl success, but he’s unfortunately one of the best options so he’s gonna get picked up first round

[@rahim9022]

The hate on Travis is real

[@jarretthoogerhyde1633]

Any team that passes on Mason Graham will regret it for years to come.

[@michaelroelant7134]

Him and campbell..

[@abedotson9998]

I'd trade out of this whole draft will be worst draft ever in nfl history

[@garyco766]

Probably a good idea.

[@Kevin_747]

Deion is going to be insulted when every scout doesn't rate his kid as a first round pick.

[@hannibalkemet9824]

Right! Because Sheduer is not a 1st round pick. Lol

[@garagedoorrus]

If you had a son im sure you will the do the samething if you son could play

[@HPC-oh9qy]

@@hannibalkemet9824he’s not. Should be a 6th or 7th rounder.

[@garyco766]

@@HPC-oh9qy Last year he'd be a 2nd rounder, this year he's an easy first rounder.

[@Thegentlemansclub619]

@@hannibalkemet9824saying he’s not first round draft pick is propaganda at this point 😂

[@user-tz2zz5ij1s]

I wouldn’t take Hunter unless I had a QB. I don’t think his NFL career is going to be very long. He basically played 2 college careers and that wear and tear is going to show up sooner than later.

[@matta6395]

I don’t see it with Shadeur

[@BrutalSp0rtz]

Who you see it from

[@vexticy1]

pats shoulda taken joe alt last year, picked up travis hunter this year as well as pay for some targets/talent with their cap room and go after arch manning next year. this woulda been very solid forethought. now they trading down to most likely get olt. banks jr. travis hunter is not a #1 pick.

[@anthonytaylor7928]

I predicted that shadeur was gonna take a lot of sacks when he was at Jackson St kinda hate to see it but i think he wont make it a think hunter will be receiver not a defensive back

[@williamhopkins4939]

Travis Hunter is the best player in college football. Neither one of those Ohio State players are even close.

[@melbrew7]

Mikel Williams and jaylen walker will go top 10, one of them top 5. Nobody in their right mind is a aling graham or Michigan db over them, period. And maliki starks is top 15 if not higher. Colin was smoking something today.

[@rogerblewett5595]

Colin.. I've asked this question before and ill ask it again .. why do you hate the Raiders so much ?

[@tceasar41]

colin was 4/4 on the college picks . sweet, too bad i just watched this today lol

[@GC-eq3rh]

Collin names a player I’ve never heard of as the best college player

[@supercrash804]

Nah John what happened to all that Carson Beck 1st overall pick parading during the off-season

[@yusufdelrio2728]

Colin been bragging about Shedeur all season on his show but when colorado buffs get beat then he switches his mind. Now hes B quarterback. One game shouldnt change your mind so easily man. National media should not have have an opinion

[@Famouszero22]

PUT CAM BEHIND SHEDEUR LINE AND PUT SHEDEUR BEHIND CAM O LINE

[@davuhn2]

Cam didn’t have a great offensive line in Washington

[@PeterDahu]

Cam would still be a better QB. Sanders holds onto the ball.

[@jakeMontejo3272]

Everyone is always impressed by stats. Every year. In the last 15 years, 50% of the QBs taken in the first round were busts. Only 15% were franchise home runs. The rest were journeyman. Trevor Lawrence had impressive stats and won a championship in college. He was a “generational- can’t miss”. He’s mid in the pros. QBs are always sus, especially this year.

[@antwainewilson1710]

Colin so overrated, Riley Leonard isn’t getting Drafted at all……..

[@PeterDahu]

Oof

[@Legitstuff23]

love john but neither of these dudes actually watch film on these players.

[@HoldenBroussard]

Shaduer gives you production! But cam gives you talent and production! I would take cam

[@patricklemire9278]

CU is a gaslight powerhouse

[@Nowledgeman]

Notre dame isnt beating georgia unless that backup qb throws 3 picks Notre dame hasnt played a defense front like this

[@PeterDahu]

About that

[@Nowledgeman]

@PeterDahu I was dead wrong. The whole conference was fraudulent this year

[@themoneyman1752]

I don’t get what these guys are watching to talk about them like they’re 2nd rd picks I don’t get it, Cam Ward plays like Caleb Williams you can argue his film is better & Shedeur when protected in the pocket is super smart & crazy accurate, I don’t get it

[@drinkingpoolwater]

Travis could go number 1 but shedeur? I just don’t see it. He could be top 15

[@Famouszero22]

Lmao you don’t see it ? 😂😂😂 you must only watch this last game where he was getting killed

[@deandreray3500]

If he’s available at 2 we will take him

[@kenwright5410]

Sanders is good against poor college/high school caliber teams. He is NOT and NFL caliber quarterback. I don't know why any team would draft him.

[@drinkingpoolwater]

@@Famouszero22 yea ive watched him. he has a bad attitude and only plays well against bad teams. not saying he can't get better but he won't be great right away.

[@BledAllOut]

So Caleb is still n A prospect..? 👀

[@nordlandak6853]

I’d hard pass on these players.

[@gregnielson7975]

Byu annihilated Colorado.. haha😂😂

[@abrahamjackson6019]

I think Cam Ward have major potential. I'm sorry somebody has to say it, Shedeur Sanders , he's just a regular quarterback I see Kirk Cousins

[@Famouszero22]

Lmao yea you clearly hating

[@Thegentlemansclub619]

That’s not what the numbers say

[@kenwright5410]

Sanders isn't good. He is poor against good college teams; he isn't an NFL caliber quarterback.

[@biniam6655]

Kirk Cousins is top 20 all time in passing yards and a 4 time pro bowler.

[@jamelwilliams808]

Wouldn't it be great if Hunter and Sanders both get drafted to Raiders

[@BethReed62]

As a Broncos fan, no. 😂

[@dronepocket325]

@@BethReed62lol

[@rogerblewett5595]

Yes 💯

[@JasonBonney-pu3bd]

Cam Ward will be a great pro QB with the right coaching in my humble opinion. #1 thing he will need to learn is he can't hold the 🏈 like he did in college. All he has to do is watch Caleb Williams tape from this year 😂

[@NaymonNewbern-sw9rc]

Sanders is talented but I'm not sure he respects the game. He will get humbled quickly in the league.

[@garagedoorrus]

who cares about the league its just a game

[@Famouszero22]

Lmao what ? And how are you not sure ?

[@c07111]

So he just gets sacked and works thru the pain to play every last quarter just for the hell of it. If nothing thru his journey he’s shown it’s about football. JMO, so I kindly disagree.

[@Famouszero22]

@ lol folks just be hating

[@Thegentlemansclub619]

Doesn’t respect the game ? What ? 😂😂😂

[@robertnastasi8643]

USC homer. Colin and his blind spots

[@williamhopkins4939]

You guys don't watch the Big 12 running backs.

[@jkadigital6574]

Sheduer definitely better than Caleb Williams but I feel sorry if a Qb get drafted by titans they have ruined every QB they had

[@garyco766]

I'm a Buffs fan, but I also have eyes and a brain. Sheduer would have been the 7th QB taken last year, probably in the 2nd round (or possibly to the raiders, who then would've missed out on Brock Bowers being the best TE in a generation).

[@KevinRivera-cx9ky]

Cam ward is way better than shaduer

[@LeaveMyFreedomBe]

I think your top 3 are busts. Shaduer will be another Leaf. It's all hype.

[@jadeall4137]

ASU over T by 10 ponts!

[@garyco766]

I hope so, but I doubt it.

[@BuffsSuk]

Hunter and shitdooer just lucky CU opened with D3 team and didn't play against a ranked team roster until the bowl game and crapped their beds in San Antonio Saturday night

[@Famouszero22]

They opened with an undefeated ndsu 😂😂😂 but yall wanted Ashton to win right ?

[@Thegentlemansclub619]

What a stupid comment before the season you didn’t even believe they would win 3 games 😂😂

[@BuffsSuk]

@Jaywon44558 oh and every team opens up a season undefeated but most good D1 programs won't schedule a D3 team unless they are begging for one of the 6 wins required to be bowl eligible, which CU is a completely shutout from a bowl wins for the past 21 years!

[@Famouszero22]

@ lmao what ? Ndsu was the best team in the FCS are undefeated

[@justinbrosious6601]

No way is Graham the best player

[@themoneyman1752]

& I don’t get why every time they talk about the draft they have to completely talk about how bad it is they say that every vid & they just did it again for 11min, can you just talk about the players, I don’t trust either one of these guys when comes to watching film, it’s 2025 you don’t have to be a NFL scout to scout prospects, we all know football & I played at the FCS level & had 13 offers coming out of HS 2 were FBS, I know football to guys we’re not dumb

[@garyco766]

They're right. Last year was a monumental draft year, but all the best talent went then. This year is a comparably very weak draft. There were 6 better QBs in last years class than either Sheduer or Cam, not to mention all-star potential talent on the D-line, TE, O-line, WR. This will be a good RB draft, but RBs don't hold the value they once did.

you had no offers except from Wal- mart stocking shelves

[@Digitalknifeparty]

🎉🎉

[@justinbrosious6601]

Penn State has more speed than ND

[@BuffsSuk]

Shitdooer is the next Jamarcus Russell on the Raiders draft Day history

[@BledAllOut]

The hate is real! Smfh

[@BuffsSuk]

@BledAllOut the crap play on the field is real and the CU weak schedule was exposed by a ranked BYU roster destroying Shitdooer and his Daddy's playbook from Pop Warner

[@BuffsSuk]

@BledAllOut clicks click click CU needs more clicks from Dan Lanning and Oregon U!!!, but they played same as last year loosing by 22 against every ranked team they played since Dingdong coach Sanders got to Boulder 🪨!!!

[@BledAllOut]

@BuffsSuk so Shedur isn't top 5 picks, at least, this season?

[@tylervincent8424]

@@BledAllOut literally look at his username lol

[@HPC-oh9qy]

lol Shedeur is not an NFL quarterback. He’s getting drafted solely because of who his daddy is.

[@deandreray3500]

Shedur is better than Will Levis and Mason Rudolph today 😂😂😂

[@davuhn2]

Why didn’t that work with his other son that played football? The one with his actual namesake

[@Amber-ed3vd]

Sure😂😂😂 then why isn't shilo top 10

[@raystudevent7446]

Man stop all this hype… both of these guys will flop out on three years. Travis too small. Not Tyreek! Shadeur immobile, is too immature and holds ball too long. Gentry all day long! Cam Ward is much better

[@elduderino2409]

Amen brother, these guys are not first round NFL picks. Last year they competed against better talent and were very pedestrian. The big turn around for Colorado was moving to a very weak Big 12. The bulk of their play was against very inferior talent. The Heisman is now a social media award, sad.

[@robskii1k]

you came to the comments to hate are you serious 😂😂

[@raystudevent7446]

I’ve been watching CFB 50 years…. Big 12 was in on this whole thing. Everyone knows that the Big 12 is notorious for refs following the script. All that ESPN BOOTLICKIN 😂 😂 It’s entertainment and money. Stop it

[@kimberly5928]

Can’t wait for the NFL Combine! See how Shedeur, Travis and the other potential 1st rounders perform!🎉

[@kron-dean-ic]

I can see Sheduer as the next Zack Wilson.

[@BigmanBrando]

Solution: if you’re the number one pick. Trade for either JJ Mcarthy or Sam Darnold in the offseason then draft Travis hunter # 1 overall. Spend the rest of the draft picking up o line and d lineman

[@dominicdecoco7950]

New England could get it in which case they could trade back a few spots take the best O lineman or Travis Hunter and probably get another 2 and/or a next years 1

[@Watchingvideoslikeu]

@dominicdecoco7950 The Patriots shouldn’t fuck around with trading back. Just draft Travis Hunter and keep it pushing.

[@dominicdecoco7950]

@@WatchingvideoslikeuI disagree for New England in particular just because they already have a number 1 corner. I think drafting a tackle in the top 5 would be more valuable to them than Travis Hunter anyway but even still it’s bad business to take Travis at number 1 when a team at 3,4 or 5 would give you the farm for a qb

[@BigmanBrando]

@ surely the pats aren’t getting the number one pick right? They’re bout the only top 5 draft team that doesn’t necessarily need a qb though lol

[@rda6029]

No way vikings trade darnold!

[@PoliticallyIncorrect90]

Shedeur and Hunter will be busts.

[@Tvoltage4391]

Travis and Shedur will have a gold jacket one day.

[@SenorHomeslice]

They got Salvation Army’s everywhere.

[@joe3rd403]

Bro Travis is not his favorite player in the draft because, “If he come in as a CB and want to play WR it can go sideways”. Travis plays man to man 80% of the time, you can’t find that in every draft. Travis is literally a walking highlight every time the ball is near him, so if your best receiver get hurt you can just throw Travis on offense. Travis already said the NFL want him to play more DB so that’s what he’s working out as because they said it’s rare to have a CB like him. Caleb Downs is a great talent, but I’m not taking a safety over a lockdown CB regardless if Caleb was in the draft or not. Travis is 6’1 and he high points the ball with a 41 inch vertical, it’s not going to be easy catching a jump ball over him in the red zone

[@arsenal548]

BYU didn’t have much of an issue

[@rahim9022]

The hate on that lil boy is so real

[@joe3rd403]

@@arsenal548 Did he get scored on defense and he had a TD with over 100 yards. He wasn’t the problem so it obviously wasn’t easy to stop him

[@rackzz1k24]

Colin acts like the browns don’t even exist

[@Thomas-dk6uq]

Colin please cut your intros completely. They are so cringy.

[@Omega-LuLu]

we are at that stage where everyone is about to start trashing and downplaying Travis Hunter because they KNOW the patriots are getting him. just like Drake Maye. smh

[@Famouszero22]

MCMILLAN CANT RUN ROUTES

[@Ali_Khalifah]

$2 is better than trash ass Carson Beck.

[@Tvoltage4391]

shedur is the best QB in college

[@roadwarrior57]

These idiots who hate on Shaduer are clueless, the kid played behind an O Line that gave up 90 plus sacks in 2 seasons, Shaduer has huge football IQ and has skill, and will shut up all the haters, he will win big time in the NFL..

[@zee9er]

49ers better draft Penn State TE Tyler Warren

[@JeffBird86]

What about colston Lovelace?

[@zee9er]

@ he’s more of a Travis Kelce and Tyler Warren is a George Kittle

[@Show_time3]

As a browns fan, I hope someone moves up to 1 and the 2 QBs go 1 & 2 and the Browns take Travis Hunter….

[@deandreray3500]

When Will Levis is your QB do you mind drafted a B level QB in Sanders or Ward that’s a no brainer we would be fighting for the playoffs if we had B level play at QB

[@steviehandsome4712]

Cam Ward MIGHT be decent. The rest of the QBs are laughable. Shitdoer will be cycled out of the league after his rookie deal - too arrogant and cancerous to even hold a clipboard after his eventual failure as a starter. He’s a little string bean with a weak arm. He’s this years Gayleb💅🏾, total media hype….

[@tanksherman9875]

Travis Hunter is arguably the best cornerback prospect in the last 15 years, but he’s not “can’t miss” ?

[@marlaslattery4661]

Travis will be the Micheal Jordan of the NFL

[@greenbeagle13]

I hope that whatever team drafts Travis Hunter, they have grown men who will take him under their wing and helps him quit making silly, goofy videos on Instagram. He is about to step into a tough world, a man's world, so he needs to get mentally tough and buckle up.

[@garyco766]

I think it's interesting that you think a guy playing 150 snaps a game isn't mentally tough.

[@GC-eq3rh]

Shadeurs gonna be better than all the QBs this year and last

[@Noahvon503]

Shedeur is going to be a bust.

[@kenwright5410]

Shadeur Sanders is horrible.

[@starkiller6740]

Sanders does not whole long 😂

[@hannibalkemet9824]

Sheduer is garbage. He'll be a bust

[@anthonytaylor7928]

Kinda hate to say it but I agree

[@PFlow007]

You guys are out of your mind if you don't think shadow Sanders with his s***** offensive line is gonna be a good NFL quarterback... No you're just hating because of his dad

[@CRiiPFACE1100]

Why tf would anyone take Travis hunter weak ass in the top 10 as a patriots fan get a O-linemen Travis hunter is nothing special at all he not fast he doesn’t runs good routes like why do we gotta get his bum ass