Collecting vs. Investing Basketball Cards - Market Insights & Manipulation | Basketball Card Show

[@miles.alexander]

Great. We need more collector content like yours. An insane influx of "investors" in the the space who obviously have no idea about the sport just chasing money

[@ttank32]

Always putting out great content keep them coming 👍🏽💪🏽

[@BasketballCardGuy]

Thank for tuning in! Feel free to share.

[@joseph_adam_lee]

Dude... so good... collectors know!!!

[@BasketballCardGuy]

Joseph Adam Lee absolutely!

[@natekeller2121]

Good content. many investors are making the hobby unaffordable for many collectors (pricing us out of the market)

[@BasketballCardGuy]

Thanks for watching! Totally agree. And it’s not that they are intending on pushing collectors out but a lot of them don’t realize how not limited some of the cards they are paying high dollars for actually are. The more we can help investors understand about the market they’ve jumped into the more realistic the prices ceilings will be. Right now it feels like there is no ceiling on overproduced base cards.

[@RgenisiL]

Love you man! Getting back into collecting and I'm finding so many personal gems from early 2000s on eBay.

[@Madd4_die4]

Thank you for putting this out.....alot of facts told on here....hopefully one day the investors that are just on the bandwagon rite now fall off for good and give some collectors a chance to purchase cards once they drop....good vid.

[@BasketballCardGuy]

Thanks so much for watching and the kind comment. I’m hoping it helps us all. I’m obviously a collector at heart but I don’t want to see anyone dropping crazy money on things they don’t have the full picture on.

[@marksilva321]

Great video Jonathan !!! Collecting these days are insane

[@BasketballCardGuy]

Thanks man. Indeed!

[@roneteus]

You seem like the happiest guy on the planet.

[@BasketballCardGuy]

I appreciate that! I’m definitely passionate about collecting.

[@cesarpinaud1605]

Great video! Couldn’t wait for this to drop!!

[@BasketballCardGuy]

Thanks man!

[@hudsonfan15]

Great video Jonathan, way to get the discussion going on this important topic.

[@BasketballCardGuy]

Thanks Tom! Hoping people join in and start helping each other!

[@chrisp1495]

Totally agree. "Investing" in cards reminds me of day trading in the early 2000s. A lot of people are going to lose money

[@BasketballCardGuy]

Indeed. Hot potato!

[@out4justice]

Good content. Love the passion. Look forward to more.

[@BasketballCardGuy]

I appreciate that!

[@richcox1258]

I AGREE WITH YOU NOT HAVING SOME OF YOUR CARDS GRADED. IT'S VERY EXPENSIVE ESPECIALLY WHEN YOU HAVE OVER 30,000 CARDS. EVENTUALLY,PEOPLE ARE GOING TO PAY YOU WHAT THE FACE VALUE. I SEEN MANY RAW CARDS THAT APPEAR TO BE A GRADED 10. PAY EQUALLY FOR A RAW CARD IF IT's a 10 . we're just making company's like Beckett & pasa very Rich. I have a 8 SET CASE of 2017topps factory SEALED & I'M SURE there are some AARON JUDGE CARDS THAT QUALIFY AS A 10, BUT I'M NOTOPENING THEM TO FIND OUT. WHAT'S YOUR OPION.? BY THE WAY ... YOU PRESENT A GREAT VIDEO !

[@thelukashow1665]

fantastic video!

[@BasketballCardGuy]

theLUKAshow thanks so much!

[@WolfenEXE]

Really great video and info, especially for those getting into the sports cards industry!

[@BasketballCardGuy]

Always happy to help!

[@90sbballcards]

Loved this! I’m looking forward to more!

[@BasketballCardGuy]

Thanks for tuning in!

[@90sbballcards]

Basketball Card Guy thank you for jumping into the content game! I’m happy to see another COLLECTOR in the game 😉

[@peterngu1985]

This was awesome! Very informative and will save people (me) hundreds and even thousands of dollars. Growing up at the flea market over 30 years I’ve met many vendors and recently someone I reconnected with a vendor that has thousands of auto and jersey cards in all sports. He’s offered me $1.75 per card and that sounds like a good deal. I don’t know much about sports but appreciate the supply and demand for any product. I pulled the trigger on about $800 worth of cards (my first large purchase of vintage and new cards). Can a person be a investor and collector at the same time? I don’t watch sports but like to collect the rarity of something.

[@benjaminkelly412]

After watching this video, I got the popcorn out and scheduled a good chunk of my afternoon to watch your whole catalogue and...what!? This is the only one thus far? :( Heres hoping you find a bit of time to make a few more.

[@BasketballCardGuy]

I appreciate that man! Definitely trying to find the time to get a few more out there. Definitely subscribe and stay tuned!

[@BasketballCardGuy]

Been cranking out a few more episodes now! Trying for a major episode once every two weeks, and I'll be throwing in some others in between!

[@CollectFail]

Also... all this video taught me is that Keith Van Horn is undervalued

[@joelkaplan2157]

Buying and selling goes on in every business.....

[@fallofmanbrand]

nice video bro

[@BasketballCardGuy]

Thanks man

[@benrekosh6379]

100% man. You brought up some great points, and investors truly are ruining this hobby

[@BasketballCardGuy]

Thanks! I think a lot of them don't realize it's happening. it's an unregulated market and many are just following someone else's lead without asking the important questions about actual rarity and the history of this industry.

[@mattm5139]

Great stuff. Who are YOU collecting?

[@BasketballCardGuy]

Thanks! I’m planning to do some spotlight videos soon on my collection that I’ve build in the past 25+ years. But it’s mainly Jordan, Kobe, Durant and Thomas Bryant. I also collect a lot of autographs and game used show cards. I always say collect what you love and I love all of that stuff!

[@roneteus]

@@BasketballCardGuy Thomas Bryant is an odd choice after the previously mentioned players. Like really odd.

[@BasketballCardGuy]

roneteus I’ve always collected a mix of stars and up and comers. Doesn’t matter to me if they are huge in the sport or market - as long as I enjoy collecting them. Chauncey billups was one I collected years ago before he had a championship or much attention around him. He always seemed to be a good guy.

[@stevenwashington917]

2019-20 Prizm Kawhi Leonard #149 Silver Prizm. This is by far the best bargain deal in the hobby right now. These are going for less than $20 and Lebrons are going for like $300? WTF? If Kawhi wins Finals MVP this year he will have won (3) at a younger age than when Jordan had his first. On TOP of that with (3) different teams and this includes stopping the Miami Heat from 3-peating, stopping the Warriors from 3-peating and possibly forcing Lebron into retirement where he'll be doing Rogaine commercials. I'm sitting on like (100 of these cards and looking for many more), post on line and I'll find them - thanks!

[@BasketballCardGuy]

That's awesome man! I totally agree about the disparity between the values. I think they all meet somewhere in the middle. I agree that Kawhi is too low, and also feel Lebron is too high. Great that you have so many!!!

[@CollectFail]

how the heck are you not on Twitter?

[@joelkaplan2157]

I dunno when u made this video but luka up and shaq up

[@flyinill13]

Van Horn isn’t in the same zip code as Luka. Luka is going to be an all time great.

[@joelkaplan2157]

That shaq card is actually selling more then $8

[@BasketballCardGuy]

Last week it was as shown in the screen shot.

[@joelkaplan2157]

@@BasketballCardGuy your manipulation 1 sold that low lots of others sold much higher of course u find lowest sale

[@BasketballCardGuy]

Joel Kaplan a lot of 4 sold Last night for $22. So they can be had for less than $6 now.

[@joelkaplan2157]

@@BasketballCardGuy go lookup psa 10 of that exact card and make sure your looking at draft pick card not trade card

[@BasketballCardGuy]

Joel Kaplan I was comparing the raw Shaq to raw zion. Did not talk about the psa 10’s.

[@ill_wil_210]

Sounds exactly like what the critics of bitcoin and other crypto currencies used to say. There is a paradigm shift happening in the card market and its intellectually lazy to muck it up to market manipulation. Old school collectors are drastically underestimating the influx of new people into the hobby and where it is that they come from. Are hype beast sneakers going for $5000 because of market manipulation? Your hobby has been invaded by a new breed that is willing to play at higher stakes. The new investor looks at buying these cards as buying stock in the player. As a collector you view a cards value in its rareness and yes that does play a factor but to an investor in this new game, the card is just currency or stock. The game is being played with base cards and silvers because there are enough of those to go around. Look at the parallels in prizm. Are the rarest ones, the ones going for the most money? Nope. When you start looking at the cards as stocks you can see why the card being rare doesn't matter.

[@BasketballCardGuy]

Great points and that’s why it’s important to follow where and when the price changes occurred. And how quickly they have changed. The new people in the market are looking for an expecting an increase in value. But im just showing that these shifts are short term and not sustainable. Cards have always been like stock in players, not just today. In the 90’s it was the same. When players do well their cards go up. When players don’t they go down. That’s always been the case. But when a card goes from $200 to $600 when the players aren’t even on the court is when manipulation is dictating the going rate on eBay instead of the playing.

[@ill_wil_210]

​@@BasketballCardGuy Cards might have always been like stocks but back in the 90's it wasn't truly a free market. The pricing magazines you spoke of set the price not the market. I think people are underestimating the influx of new people in the hobby. Luka's cards would have risen in value purely based on his play but when you add in the growth of the hobby its throwing a multiplier on it. The market will settle but its going to be hard to tell whats real and whats fake until the influx of new people slows down.

[@BasketballCardGuy]

Agreed. A lot of it starts as a couple of people manipulating and then it shifts the market, as more people are willing to pay the new prices. It’s the group mentality that drives it.

[@joelkaplan2157]

Luka comparison is ridiculous every player is different

[@BasketballCardGuy]

Not trying to say Luka and Van horn can be compared one for one. But I am saying look at the factor of difference between the two values. One is 200x the price of the other. No reason for that.

[@joelkaplan2157]

@@BasketballCardGuy this makes no sense your comparing common player with kobe of course kobe is 200x more

[@BasketballCardGuy]

Joel Kaplan I’m showing that a player that was a hot rookie and had high value cards, now, years later has a gem 10 that isn’t even the worth the price it cost to grade it. Just saying that things change. Back in the day that was an expensive card.

[@joelkaplan2157]

@@BasketballCardGuy ya people get hot and stink and people get hot and continue and become great players

[@BasketballCardGuy]

@@joelkaplan2157 So true!

[@ryanlankford8634]

Keith van Horn is nowhere near the player Luka is. His ball handling is a million times better. Your comparisons are terrible. KVH = LD? Rofl. Hilarious.

[@BasketballCardGuy]

Not comparing today’s Luka to today’s Keith Van horn. Just showing that in the long term what someone with promising stats in their first seasons can be worth 20 years later.

[@ryanlankford8634]

Who is this for? People with a room temperature IQ you are trying to coax into your van?

[@joelkaplan2157]

Van horn not graded bc he flopped

[@BasketballCardGuy]

And Luka may flop in a year or two too - with an injury or what not. Just trying to show some history and let people know that as high as these cards go, even as gem mint 10’s - they can come back down to less than what it cost to grade the card years later.

[@joelkaplan2157]

@@BasketballCardGuy luka could also be generational player like giannis and look at price of giannis antetokounmpo anybody can get hurt at anytime

[@BasketballCardGuy]

@@joelkaplan2157 Definitely could be! Could also turn out like Grant Hill - who I still have a ton of! We just don't know.

[@hectorc1663]

Great video!