College Bubble BURSTING! VAST Majority of Businesses not Impressed!

[@joesomebody3365]

Even 10 years ago college was already starting to get terminally infested with woke crap. (I can't even image how bad it must be now). Got my degree and found that suddenly I was "overqualified" for all the jobs I needed to build experience, while being underqualified for all the jobs that required a degree. Total waste of time. Thankfully I was able to do it without debt, I just wish I could get the time back.

[@floridafool]

Relatable situation.

[@chm9935]

Your right. ₩0k3 didnt happen overnight

[@dmittleman9757]

I distinctly remember two of my classes turning into therapy sessions for students (and the teachers) the day after Trump got elected. I wasn’t complaining ‘cause it meant less work, but now I’m just embarrassed I ever wasted that time.

[@wingatebarraclough3553]

Even 20 years ago, they were rabidly anti white and anti male

[@aulvinduergard9952]

10 years? It was already there when I graduated 20 years ago.

[@nuclearmedicineman6270]

Make liberal arts rich people hobbies again. That's what most of college is. Back in the day, rich people had hobbies.. going to Egypt to dig up mummies, collecting paintings, reading poetry.. stuff the poors couldn't afford. Then their inbred children grew up and needed something to do before going to work for daddy's business, so they donated money to colleges and their kids went to college to study Egyptology, English Lit, Art..getting degrees in rich people hobbies.

[@Juan-os4hs]

The easiest way is to eliminate 90% of Federally backed student loans. And go back to the "Stafford Student Loan" criteria, i.e. only the most poor (low economic status families), and high minimum GPA (I don't remember if it was 3.0 out of 4, or 3.2-3.5), they definitely didn't didn't accept 2.0 GPAs, like current FSLs.

[@JodyBruchon]

Agreed, and the thing is that anyone can do things like draw or read a book or learn a language today; there is no reason for normal people to get a degree in that stuff.

[@SoulSoundMuisc]

Certifications > Degrees. Every time.

[@twitchyrats5252]

I agree! But there's still people who think that certs are worthless, and their ignorance is mind boggling!

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

@@twitchyrats5252if they're that ignorant then they're out of touch, I don't know about you but I don't particularly want to work for an out of touch company, they're weeding themselves out for us

[@ComposedSage75]

People have realized that years spent at college or even at university are *not* worth it. It’s no surprise that people are choosing alternatives to it or are just refusing to go in general.

[@Teixas666]

unless you are going for a VERY specialized skill(like Medicine, or some STEM fields) going to college is most pointless outside of getting ot know some people that are in the areas you want to work in. outside of that college degrees are mainly just a filter for employers that arnet interest in training you at the job.

[@Juan-os4hs]

@@Teixas666 And it's backfired on businesses... Unless the business is trying to meet ESG investment goals, productivity or profits be damned. 🤔😳😂😂🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😂😂😂😂 🤡🌎🎪🤡 The current college students know more about CRT/DIE-than they do about their majors, or so it seems. Hell, some of their majors are related to CRT/DIE; gender studies, minority studies, "liberal arts", journalism, &c., &c.

[@NwoDispatcher]

Unless you're a Jew and working to be the next generations political leaders

[@Juan-os4hs]

@@NwoDispatcher Cough, cough, Harvard graduates, cough...

[@aulvinduergard9952]

Even young people have realized it. My niece is 16 and already sees college as pointless.

[@Juan-os4hs]

IMHO, 75% of "students" at college aren't there so much for a college degree, but for "the college experience". Drinking, debauchery, dating, drama, diseases.

[@mrcliff3709]

Hell do it on your dime

[@Juan-os4hs]

@@mrcliff3709 College admission applications would drop >70%... The College Industrial Complex would collapse.

[@nyankers]

I'm pretty sure almost everyone I met back in college was there either for a better future (better or more specialized job) or because their parents pushed them in. But you know, keep being a divisive prick if you want.

[@Juan-os4hs]

@@nyankers You just agreed with me, albeit accidentally. Many were "forced" to have the college experience, by their parents... "almost everyone I met back in college was there for a better future... or because their parents pushed them in."

[@johnblack8655]

Don't forget Debt!

[@MrBentham22]

Boomers still pushing for college though and it's annoying af.

[@dishmanw]

When boomers went to college, it still meant something. Now it’s better to go to a trade school.

[@SchemingGoldberg]

Boomers are incapable of using smartphones, despite 4 year old children being perfectly capable of using smartphones. Nobody should listen to boomers about anything.

[@chm9935]

Back then, it had value. Now its worthless bc everyone has one

[@richardlee653]

I'm not (although it has to be said that I am retired, and didn't have any influence even before I retired).

[@comicus6769]

Pushing who? Most boomer kids are well past college age. Most boomer employers are retired.

[@MrBentham22]

That's how it feels now, College is High School 2.0.

[@moffant4916]

Wrong, College is High School 1.0, High School is middle school 2.0..

[@Teixas666]

worse: College became glorifed day care for young adults.

[@terry4897]

Or the last month of preschool

[@dishmanw]

People entering college from high school don’t have the skills needed.

[@theUnknown-oz9dh]

Yeah, they passed out blankets and coloring books to college students whenever a certain someone won an election! 😏 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@SerebiiWarrior]

Businesses in my view are just as guilty of degrees becoming worthless as the universities are. They were the ones who wanted candidates to have these degrees in the first place. Businesses have no one but themselves to blame for hiring low quality employees when the writing was on the wall AT LEAST 10 years ago if not earlier that the quality of today's average college graduate might have dipped just a little. Maybe it would've helped to actually learn WHAT'S BEING TAUGHT at these schools and not assume the degree is worth something just because the school says its worth something.

[@Phobos11]

Which degrees are you referring to?

[@HermitGeek]

@@Phobos11 Anything but STEM...

[@Phobos11]

@@HermitGeek sure, but then OP is incorrect. Businesses wanted people with degrees in engineering and practical sciences. Only HHRR (from college of course) were the ones pushing for “inclusivity” and companies becoming daycares

[@rashidisw]

*_"WHAT'S BEING TAUGHT"_* From perspective of college graduate myself, that also my main criticism toward my almamater. From list of courses the college offers I only want/need less than 40% of them, but the college didn't allow me pick & choose those courses for the first two years. Otherwise with my willingness to not have the degree, I would only need 3 semesters from college instead of 8.

[@weaponsci]

Recent grad here. Majored in engineering. Professors would literally tell us to our faces at times that "a degree alone won't get you the job." Like yeah, I get work experience and personal projects are what really seals the deal but damn, way to say the quiet part out loud and admit that what you're teaching us right now was outdated before we even graduated. -_-

[@randaru1527]

Having a college diploma basically proves to your employer that you have IQ in single digits and are well trained in activism. Which, to be fair, some employers want, but you are practically barred from getting any real job with such portfolio.

[@BloodRaven744]

Yet my parents still want me to go to college

[@ComposedSage75]

Don’t

[@Teixas666]

show them that you are not interested while also presenting a valid and acredited alternative. ie: " i don't beleive i will do well in college, but i would be interested in learning a trade."

[@PlasmaMongoose]

Unless you plan a career where you need accreditation like a medical doctor or structural engineer, it's pretty much just a waste of time and money.

[@highlordinquisitor4882]

Tell them that you will not pay a dime for any of it. When they flip out. Goodnight become a Plummer or another trade. And make real money

[@zarthemad8386]

STEMs or its just daycare

[@nco_gets_it]

very few jobs actually require a college degree. Perhaps medical doctors, dentists, and veterinarians. Engineers might require a degree--but frankly, most of what we term "engineering" today is actual tech work, not engineering. I can see wanting degrees in actual STEM work, but even there, almost of all of the actual work can be learned on the job.

[@charlesc3564]

I was actually talking with my dad about this earlier today, he suggested that the current "liberal arts" education be replaced with more consolidated trade schools that only give you the training in the field you want to go into, making the programs 1-2 years instead of 4, and all the classes you take relate to your trade. I would add that you could do 3-4 years if these programs teamed up with businesses in the trade to give their students real experience as well.

[@RighteousJ]

Anything in the legal or medical field is mandatory, since it's illegal to practice law or medicine without passing the BAR exam or MCAT, respectively, and in order to be eligible to take those exams one of the requirements is possessing a degree in those fields from an accredited institution. In a way it's government-level gatekeeping, since one could argue that you could study as much as you want in order to pass the exam for a few dollars in late fines at your local public library, but in a practical sense it really is mandatory, since those same institutions are the only places one can legally work with cadavers in an educational setting so as to directly understand the function of the human body. As for anything other than the medical field, there is literally no reason for this legislation to exist today - although, at the time those laws were enacted, they were desperately needed in an era when you could create a new persona for yourself just by moving to another county or state.

[@Dexter01992]

I worked in production for 10 years from high school, 5 of which manifacturing prototypes and "quick simple components needed fast" done on thr spot. Trust me, most of mechanical engineers fresh from university I had to deal with have been taught to somehow overcomplicate everything like no tomorrow. Yes, they can design a complex machine I do not have the knowledge to craft, but then they were definitely in need of someone into the practical side of the job to simplify their craft. I'm not saying "they're stupid", it's just that universities for engineering nowadays have detached from reality through standardisation obsessions and is often the complete opposite of what a manufacturing business needs.

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

lets be honest, and Indian guy on youtube can train you better in a dozen videos than most colleges can in 4 years

[@shellygardner6410]

College has always been the next high school. Shit I said in 1982. Knowing you were right all along isn't as much fun as you might think.

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

it's really just signaling you're willing to jump through hoops like a good dog for a job, and it's getting ridiculous now, it was in the 80s but it's a monty python skit nowadays I imagine the skit going something like this employer: "have you gone to high school?" candidate: "yes I have" employer: " what about second high school?" candidate:" yes I excelled in second highschool and learned twice as much from it in fact" employer: "wonderful, now write us a 1000 word essay on why you want to work here and we'll consider moving forward with your application"

[@TheDevilsGreatestTrick]

Not that college as a whole is a dumpster fire--there are a few good reasons to go. But for the love of all things good, I'm so proud of 18-yr old Me. "Hold on--how am I gonna pay for this if I don't have money? ...'You can get a loan'? I mean sure, but I still need to pay it back right? Something's fishy..."

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

I just hate debt, and if I have to get into debt to have a chance then it stinks of a pyramid scheme to me, all thanks to playing MMO's where scammers where everywhere as a youngster, and they say games teach no skills

[@Themetalwookie666]

So you are telling me that the companies and academics who basically pushed college on everyone are starting to learn from their mistake and that many of these jobs that call for degrees really didn't need them in the first place? Imagine my shock...

[@DouglasIII368]

Like I said if you're going to get a degree in STEM go to college. If you're going to get a degree in something else then go to trade school.

[@justepourlacheruncom8393]

Even STEM are not that bright tbh.

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

I'm 22 and did a STEM certificate, the industry is oversaturated in the tech scene so if you want to go in STEM go into CAD manufacturing or food manufacturing, the rest of the STEM careers are ruthless and miserable from what I can tell

[@Klatenbach]

Apprenticeships are making a comeback.

[@The_New_IKB]

Apprenticeships never went away in the UK, I did one still work for the company and have gotten on the property ladder. My only debt is my mortgage!

[@4566Iggy]

The issue is that no one wants to take on apprenticeships and it's such an issue that the trades got fucked because of it.

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

not in my country sadly, here in Australia immigrants are taking up all the apprentice spaces and employers have a pick of the litter to the point you need to either be the son of the owner or one of the sons friends to get one

[@aulvinduergard9952]

Another reason why corporations wanted entry level employees with a college degree is because they would have Student Debt, meaning the employee *couldn't afford to leave.*

[@ulforcemegamon3094]

Bingo

[@merafirewing6591]

My dad who is a boomer actually changed his mind and decided that college isn't for me, and also that the money to spend isn't worth it.

[@t.kersten7695]

back in "the old days" a degree in anything was something worth for sure, because someone really had to study hard and learn some skills or some other. but nowadays it´s almost only a trophy for participating and a badge to show to the world that you have "the right" (aka only wanted) mindset and that you are a member of some alledgedly "marginalized" group. nowadays a second or third degree burn is worth much more than that other ones.

[@christianedwards9025]

I'm 31, been working multiple jobs since 17. Had I gone to college at the time I was told college or job, I would've been lumped in with these lot. Still not regretting going to college today, especially with no debt.

[@Hobonomous]

Heard brother, I was in a tough spot at 18 and decided to support my mom and sister and since then I’ve learned so much in the field of trades with little education int the field. Old heads out there really be teaching you on the spot, get into a trade kids you’ll always have work.

[@IRMentat]

10+ years of experience is one hell of a draw to the average employer. Often doesn’t even matter what experience until you get to the technical roles like finance, marketing or what few engineering roles still exist.

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

personally as a young guy looking at my peers, get certificates because they're more useful and insanely cheaper, in the range of $1k flat per 6 month course (depends on the school of course) and the people who did those are succeeding wildly right now

[@chm9935]

Most Americans have a bachelors at this point. It has been devalued. Masters and phd getting to that point too

[@simonpetrikov3992]

Damn that’s sad

[@generalrendar7290]

Colleges should be going out to businesses in their area or field of expertise and getting their feedback on what they want in employees and what courses the business would sign off on. That's essentially what flight schools are doing with airlines now.

[@justepourlacheruncom8393]

They straight out refuses to do so.

[@bigjay875]

Im a small business owner and my brother is a freelance cnc industry rebuilder both of us have talked about the low quality of these last 2 generations. We have come to the conclusion that we both would rather train up a high school grad with a good attitude than take a college grade even paying the high school grade quite a bit on the high side. College is counterproductive

[@foracal5608]

I don't know sounds like most of the tap tap keyboard jobs will be terminated by AI soon while someone like me will be out of a job after they can make the t-1000 Terminator series

[@elfeintwentyfives1620]

employers are now according to one of my friends working in human resources field are now looking for trade school graduates...this includes especially in computer and networking fields

[@cheeeeezewizzz]

only 905 of the 70,000 businesses actually responded to the survery.

[@vexile1239]

That is... telling

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

sounds about on par with most job hunts, autists in the tech sector love posting their job search data and gossiping about it

[@Wbfuhn]

Employers are going to have to train high schoolers by going to high schools and offering training classes for the students to take so they can get people who have some knowledge and skill to do the job once they graduate high school.

[@GigaChad_169]

Cisco Systems did this in my high school. in the very early 2000's. They offered a class on network engineering and they had a lot of interest to the point where they instituted a lottery system to join the class. Not sure why we don't have more trade-like partnerships between schools and businesses...

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

I could see company funded workshop classes coming back, at least for trades like mechanics because no one is going into those trades and once they break the ice the rest will notice and copy it, probably sometime in the 2030s once the qualified workers start retiring

[@Wbfuhn]

@@jimbothegymbro7086 I feel that my dad got lucky as he went into the oil refinery business in the 80's. They trained him on the job. Now refineries will only hire people who go to college.

[@horrorkesh2]

College degrees lost their usefulness when everyone was going to college for a degree and the job markets were so flooded nobody could find a job

[@dwood78part23]

Here I blame the employers for putting too much value in these degrees. Esp as more & more folks get em in fields that have very little value in the job market.

[@Phobos11]

In the past universities/colleges had IQ tests to filter candidates out and having a degree had value. Employers were right in using this degree as a certification of the candidate being able to do something, how are they to blame that the colleges became centers of ideology? I don’t understand 🤔

[@foisopracurtir6389]

@@Phobos11 Because being the Cassandra that points out a problem, but is ignored is incredibly frustrating. "How they didn't saw it coming?! Every other day for the last years these people cause a mess, why did you just noticed now?!"

[@Phobos11]

@@foisopracurtir6389 who are you talking about now? Many companies have been avoiding people with just degrees and no experience for years. Myself included, one of my current responsibilities is being a technical interviewer for new candidates and I've been doing this for almost a decade now

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

it's because gen Xers and boomers still run most businesses and hold the "any degree is a good degree" mentality, once they die off and retire 20 years from now things will be sorted, the zoomers are thoroughly screwed thanks to that though

[@LeeroyPorkins]

THE HEDGE FUND IS IN PAIN! QUICKLY MEN! QUICKLY!

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

so what you're saying is I should short universities and companies heavily invested in universities? hypothetically of course ;)

[@TBoneTony]

Wished that I knew all this back when I was in my early 20s.

[@WaterStar-me2bf]

College no longer have any value? Finally!!!!!!

[@buglepong]

employers mostly want to negotiate down the salary of non-degree holders. the fact that you arent radicalised is just a bonus.

[@alyssabaerne9508]

When training a terrified stray cat becomes easier than and more cost efficient hiring a college graduate... any fool would chose to train and hire the stray cat.

[@kamaeq]

Yep, work history trumps schooling.

[@acacacacacacaccaca7666]

we are going back to starting at the mail room era

[@thdn8127]

The only reason left is Griggs vs Duke Power. Overturn that precedent and they are completely done.

[@robertgrays8790]

Ones out of high school are not much better if they're an entitled little daddy's girl or boy and their parents have connections.

[@Phobos11]

Even on the best case scenario, the science in academia is lagging years behind the real world, by the time you graduate you’re already obsolete. There’s no point in going to college

[@DonVigaDeFierro]

Do you think that graduates in feminist POC basketweaving studies are underqualified? 🤔

[@2ndCitySES17]

Here’s the true question: How do we get HR out of the way?

[@capo4270]

A.I. automation Already happening

[@jimbothegymbro7086]

A.I, robo jesus will be our salvation

[@carlrood4457]

It's also probably in employer's interest to hire the right people and then pay for them to get degrees in fields they actually care about. I've worked with guys who started in the mail room and eventually got MBA's on the company dime. They're too busy with work and the program to take the meaningless classes and get wrapped up in "college life". There's also the fact that modern college life is stunting the maturation process. Kids are coming out less mature than high school grads of 50 years ago.

[@huntermccoy7641]

100 years ago the minimum i.q. to graduate college was 130. Now its 95 i.q. to graduate on average. It is only to provide paperwork for the less then average to get a job they cant keep up with.

[@yurichtube1162]

It's literally pay to win in America

[@A-stray42]

I went to trade school for computer repair, and have lost 4 jobs because "You don't have a degree" shit. I was the best performer on the floor, most solve rates, and fastest turnaround. That was back when the A+ was the equivalent of a 2 year associate's degree. I still strive to learn, and have expanded my skills way farther than any college student would have, given the same circumstance. So I use my skills, and smarts for myself, and don't work in tech anymore. I also did welding, and got state certs for that. Can't get a simple welding job, either. I hope the university, and college systems fail. No one should have to sell their soul for a job. That's just plain evil.

[@chm9935]

My friends son getting close to graduating high school. Hes unclear what he wants to do with his life. The mom wants him to go to community college to take some courses. Smh. Why?? Smh.

[@JakeSweeper]

To be fair, many local vocational schools are the community colleges. If the kid focuses on certifications as opposed to an associates in a particular field, he will far more likely to get employment with little debt. That being said, I would also tell this kid to go out and work in the real world for four years or so to get experience and maturity while looking at what's out there that can help him make a living before even considering "higher education".

[@mikkelnpetersen]

1 year of work experience is worth more than a college degree.

[@DustinBarlow8P]

I got my International Relations BS from Princeton. I got my job by spending 4 months teaching myself how to program, researched the job I was interviewing for, and built a toolkit that would streamline some of the systems used by the company I was interviewing. My interview took 15 minutes, and they didn't even ask for my college credentials. Getting a good job is all about research and being proactive. Oh yea I'm also 31 and still paying for my school that I graduated from at 22.

[@g3n3ral1nsanity5]

I told an employer once that if they said grammatical nuances to me that I would walk out that door for the last time I'm here to do a job and the only answers I need are yes / no

[@GiblixStudio]

Academic papers have always been part of the Supply-Demand chain. When there is more work compared to employees on the market. Well then you can find a good job without a degree and get on the job learning. If the employer is good you then also get great secondary stuff to your contract. It comes and goes. Last time we had that was when I entered the market. Nowadays however more and more sectors are getting to that point as well. You can become an electric engineer, construction worker and more with on the job training and earning 70k a year easily. Companies are really looking for such people. Academic papers have really lost their meaning. Activists/Feminists devalued it all with their nonsense. While also letting dumb people that fail classes proceed to the next year instead of holding them back. The quality of people that come out of college's and universities are pretty useless. When we look to hire new people it is a talk to see what the personality and work history is. We can work with that. We can teach you on the job. People that are worthless and disruptive have no place at our offices. Degrees in business, art, gender theory are all useless in the real world. Before activism was a thing, about 20 years ago, I just started working in the logistical area instead of going to college. Started as a forklift truck driver, then administrative assistant, then became a transport planner. Worked my way up quite nicely and learned on the job while my friends had to go to college/uni and ended up in the same spot as me. However they had tons of student debt. And they earned less due to lack of actual work experience. This is a move you see more and more people do these days, but for other reasons.

[@KADASUVA]

I worked through college. I have over 11 years experience working in customer service/Management/retail. In recent years I’ve been getting job offers for good paying jobs because I’ve built up experience with human relations. I know people who have graduated with expensive degrees like computer science and other things like that who struggle to find work because they lack any actionable “experience”. My only advice for people attending college is to work. Doesn’t matter what you have to do, work. Any experience is good as long as you’re building up your work experience portfolio.

[@teejaynumber13]

Doesn't matter, you'll still end up losing your career to divershitty even if you're skilled and they're not.

[@mrcliff3709]

Yep. A previous job I had my warehouse manager lost her job because she wasn't " committed to diversity enough " even though we had the best numbers and performance of all the other centers the company had in the region. She also was bilingual and well liked by everyone. They replaced her with some diversity hire and the place went to shit

[@nathanbraun2067]

finally, my time has come

[@aulvinduergard9952]

In JK Rowling's Wizarding World, 'The Centaur Liaison Office' is a section of the Ministry of Magic that does absolutely nothing, but it exists for other departments to transfer troublesome employees to rather than firing them. If I were running a company, that's exactly what I'd do. Create a small division that does nothing but mindless busywork, where all the other areas of the company knows to transfer their "HR Ticking Time Bombs" to. Then, at the end of each quarter, they get laid off for having "unsatisfactory work flow" or some other bureaucratic gobbledegook.

[@Puddingskin01]

"Do you have a college degree?" is being replaced with "Can you actually think?"

[@jellybryce7742]

chicano studies... AHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH

[@jasondorsey7110]

I see an HR job in your future...wait, nevermind those will cease to exist soon

[@honorarydarkness1300]

Good, the pendulum is starting to swing the right way!!

[@ZX-Gear]

Honestly I have lost all drive to improve my life. I cannot bother with college. My own art goes nowhere. I work a job that makes me 6k a year. Honestly,my life is just over. I really lost any and all hope things will get better and I would just want the world to burn at this point. I never got a student loan but I am still poor and may as well be in debt.

[@baawbaaw9931]

Then raise the bar of art to incest futa

[@enterprisethesylveon5787]

Learn a Trade! Sure they do hard work, but the pay is great and the work/life balance is amazing!

[@ZX-Gear]

@@enterprisethesylveon5787 Been considering it. But I feel creatively I feel empty.

[@ZX-Gear]

@enterprisethesylveon5787 Like I mentioned that I have been drawing pics for a Xenogears Doujin I have been having issues with getting off the ground

[@zarthemad8386]

passion doesnt fill your bank account.

[@yukip8312]

I supposed to study in cram school instead of college

[@ALovelyBunchOfDragonballz]

The same reason that raising minimum wage doesnt mean anything is the same reason degrees are worthless. Raising the bare minimum doesnt get rid of the concept of minimum, it just means reloacting it. Everyone going to college means college is now like high school, which used to not even be the standard. People used to drop out in 8th grade and still make enough to buy a house and support a family, now college grads make minimum wage. Everythint evens out in the end.

[@The_Omega_Dragon]

I never went to college or university, and I'm still struggling to find a job that'll take me on.

[@thegeneralscall]

imagine getting 30,000 to 40,000 dollars in debt to LOWER your prospect of find a job.

[@zarthemad8386]

its closer to 80-120k now sadly

[@BABarracus6]

5:21 my old job they would call them HR super stars

[@panthera1023]

I’m currently in a university, and it is very woke. Professors, students, you name it.

[@dekoldrick]

Doesn't help that when I went to college, I spent more time re-learning things I already learned in high school then things in the field I went to college for.

[@MrMadmaggot]

Don't go to College it was the worst mistake of my life. I lost too much time there, fortunately my parents paid it, not me otherwise I would've become a T word.

[@mojoman327]

Hiring manager thinking, "should I hire the blue haired Yale graduate who demanded I use her preferred pro noun, or the normal looking high school graduate with 4 years of actual work experience?".

[@Juan-os4hs]

If the company has to adhere to ESG standards the answer is self evident. 🤔😳😱

[@pattonramming1988]

Remember when Western Universities were respectable institutions Pepperidge farm remembers

[@CompletelyNewguy]

the only thing I got out of the college I went to was making some friends that I visit and play dnd with.

[@spidalack]

This is what happens when school is turned into a for-profit corporation.

[@Cortanis001]

The one counter point I have for this are trades/jobs that the additional education is deemed a requirement. Case in point, I'm going for my electrical lineman certification. This isn't just something our state and local college offers but that even our regular electric company El Paso Electric actually runs one of the classes through the college as well as recruites from the classes. The classes aren't just book work. They're climbing instruction, materials education, instruction on how and what the proper way to run conduit, instruction as well as experience learning how to use a utility truck, dig poles, and set them. Most degrees are worthless especially for lack of appreciation for them, but higher education does have a role if we're talking about the correct fields and a lack of vocational college/direct recruiting opportunities exist. What's more obsurd is the lack of real options for CDL education and acquisition yet all these industries keep crying about the lack of drivers to meet demand. Most aren't even willing to pay to send a prospect to driving school just so they can have that desperately needed employee.

[@emojimr4427]

How to trap HR ticking Time bomb .... Have a picture in your desk of Orange Man during interview and make sure they see it during the interview and watch them squirm and Reeeeeee 😂😅

[@Oopsibwokeit]

I had an electronics teacher from India teaching wrong information in the class, and when questioned about it, she claimed students understood it better that way. Like, straight up teaching wrong information about electronics and electricity. This is the sort of crap people are paying to be taught. Eventually was forced to drop out because a class I was placed in (which was supposed to be online) was in fact on-campus courtesy of the students-hired-as-office-workers for the college and nothing could be done despite all the work being the same, and on the same website even. Butchered grade via lack of attendance = loss of grants and scholarships.

[@Juan-os4hs]

The teacher teaching wrong things was no accident. She was likely hired because they knew she taught that way. It's along the lines of why they do not teach about "aether" in physics, and do everything they can to dismiss, discredit, demonize and discount it. Congratulations by the way on recognizing that you were being led astray, the world needs more like you, don't let them get you down, get back up, and beat them at their own rigged game.

[@Juan-os4hs]

P.S. Hate to sound like "that guy", but Indians have a vested self interest in miseducating America students-to assure more Indian nationals get hired in American tech co.s in the future. 🤔

[@simonpetrikov3992]

Well I’m glad I never went to college

[@fyoutube9410]

I don't hire college grads, period.

[@macmcleod1188]

Back when I went to college in the 80s and early 90s this was definitely not true. My college degree was not only useful in getting the job but in excelling at the job. And as much as gaining those skills I also learned how to think clearly and learn to Greater understanding of our country's history form of government English literature advanced mathematics and performed historical scientific experiments. Maybe it's the set of degrees that you are dealing with. I had a stem degree.

[@4566Iggy]

Because back then it was worth a shit.

[@isaiahyoung5377]

Hey RGH, your friend still looking for applicants with no experience and no degree for on the job training in his field? I got my resume ready and I'm ready, willing and able to learn. I'M YOUR GUY RIGHT HERE.

[@zenvariety9383]

As a millennial who went to college and got a Bachelor's degree I found it difficult to get a job as a game dev. I eventually went to trade school and got a job as an IT Helpdesk Agent. Conversely my younger sister only got her Associate's degree and is the managing partner of the restaurant that she works out. Not to mention that she's married and expecting to have her first born son next month. Point is, I never had debt from college, but getting a job was near impossible. Now I'm trying to ensure that I'm hired as an employee at my current job as opposed to being a contractor.

[@The_New_IKB]

4 to 6 extra years to make mistakes and be forgiven because you are young!

[@Vreguleift]

But I was told that if you go to college, your brain grows by ten sizes and you get a quadrillion dollars an hour.

[@iamaronman]

My GFs stepdad is a highly paid professer in psychology. I know a lot of the same things he is teaching from just buying old psychology books and reading them, and he has no idea how to work on things around the house, and lacks common sense. We had to have a sit down about why i haven't proposed to his stepdaughter yet and i kept throwing the statistics about marriage and the costs that i would accrue just by the fact that i am a male in today's society. Eventually he gave up trying to refute my points and just sat there stewing. Now her mom doesn't like me too much but i expected that. Basically college now is full of activists or people who don't have a clue how to apply what they teach, it's rare you find a good teacher and usually they don't last long in that environment.

[@kilroy1964]

Citation please. This can be very useful.

[@kingbranden1369]

Why don't you link to your sources?

[@ViperousVT]

Thank snake god I didn’t go to college my idiot parents where trying to get me to go

[@kilroy1964]

Where can I find the paper being cited here?

[@pigtaku4276]

I'm gonna take a college course later this year, only cuz I got it for free thru Uber

[@kyosokutai]

Bold of you to assume my resume is accurate.

[@randomuser4467]

But is STEM field college still worth it? My younger brother is finishing college and hes planning to take Computer engineering course. Is it still worth it?

[@ulforcemegamon3094]

Yes , if STEM fields , then college is still worth it , college being worthless is mostly for anything that isn't STEM

[@johnnydollar579]

Good

[@sedevri864]

Based

[@spencesanders7879]

One point you got wrong. "Boomers" are not stuck in the idea that a college degree is required. Sure the boomers that retired back in 2000 or before, or ran very small private businesses and had no non-family employees may have thought that way. But by 2000 any boomers still in the work force were well aware that college graduates would need extensive training to be useful. It was the boomer that was upsetting the ivory towers by wanting to hire out of high school and skip the college graduate. Out of the ten field engineers in my shop, only three have "degrees". One of the degree holders is trying to take additional courses in his field but has hit a wall. The "colleges" will not allow him to take anymore technical courses until he completes two mandatory prerequisites. Apparently an electrical engineering course hinges on "proper pronoun 101" and "I hate myself because I am a straight white male 101".

[@brianjohnson5272]

How to frame this........ I can make 15,000 a year in construction, take a couplr tests, boost to 40,000 and take another and the sky's the limit as a contractor or i can pay 160,000 for four years (yeah im lowballin) and get a 35000 a uear job out of my field. The catch is which ever you do you can have Musk as your father and all his money cant buy a second of that time back. Do yourselves a favor unless its medicine, science, or law dont bother and youll find instead of extra shifts at work to cover the loans youll have time to raise your children right.

[@zarthemad8386]

Construction laborers start at 15-20/hour ..... that 15k a year is them only working half of one

[@brianjohnson5272]

@zarthemad8386 the other half it taken by taxes.

[@relskull3324]

what anime name?

[@MrATPCO]

A degree, after all, is just a piece of paper, and guess what these little snowflakes are eventually gonna do with it.