Star Wars: The Last Jedi Review: Risk Taking Like Never Before - Jedi Council

[@EricVidfarne]

What was the point of Phasma? None. What was the point of Snoke? None. What was the point of Rose? None. What was the point of Finn? None. What was the point of Porgs? To sell merchandise.

[@Slamdog500]

The risks were how Rian Johnson answered the main questions??? Who is Snoke? Who are Reys parents? Answers: Nobody. Wow! What a risky dude, man!

[@Slamdog500]

are you happy now, Alexander Joshua Davis?

[@tucker3601]

Also dont forget letting Finn die, nah he has to be saved and somehow make it back to base completely fine. So bold!

[@PJB1995]

D. Nagasaki Rian Johnson strikes me as an autistic child with rich parents that bought their way into their special little boy getting to make his very own Star Wars film, and fucking butcher it. I watched Looper for the first time last year after hearing he was in charge of the next chapter of *the* most important franchise to me personally, and it’s *just* as much of a mess as The Last Jedi turned out to be. Looper is probably a fun pop-corn movie if you have zero attention span and just want to watch a slightly edgy action sci-fi, but as a *time travel* film it is an incoherent, illogical joke, and it’s not even funny. With both films it’s like he was getting off on trying to pre-empt what he thought the audience would be thinking and doing the exact opposite, almost invariably to the overall detriment of the film.

[@alexpugh3918]

hahahahahahah

[@genxer711]

This movie is the beginning of the end for the Skywalkers

[@johnniiee146]

"EVERYTHING worked!! These things things didn't work....but yeah everything worked!!" This review in a nutshell.

[@lancemac71]

Fanboys gonna fanboy.

[@Mike-rt2vp]

That alien milk really worked. And space Leia worked. And that animal cruelty narrative on that gambling Planet really worked.

[@mctapoutos7426]

ME PERSONALLY I LOVE WATCHING PROFESSIONAL STAR WARS FAN'S

[@Kavilion]

Guy 1: Me personally, I felt like the best actor in the movie was the entire cast. Guy 2: I disagree. Me, personally, I felt like the entire cast was excellent. Guy 1: I did have some issues with the movie. Personally, I felt like the movie was so epic and emotionally impacting that I was exhausted from how amazing it was. Guy: Now, this is just me personally, I felt that the movie was too epic for one movie. Personally. HAHAHAHAHAJAHAHA

[@decay0503]

"I 'FUNDAMENTALLY DISAGREE WITH EVERY CHOICE' FOR LUKE IN THE LAST JEDI" - Mark Hamill Mark was right, and it hurts... Not sure if the council (or any other reviewers, for that matter) are bullied/paid by Disney to give it such high scores, but the movie doesn't get anything higher than a 3/10 from me (and this is still to high but I can't help it, I'm a SW fan and I'm hoping that there is hope) If you check the user reviews on the TLJ IMDB, you will get the complete opposite. And after seeing the movie yesterday at the premier (I'm still in shock, and not in a good way), I really have to agree with the IMDB crowd. I mean everyone has a right to their own opinion, and if Christian and Ken really like the movie, they have a right to say so. But...I only hope it is their opinion we hear, and not some (conspiracy theory) elaborate corporate web of Disney that has the media in it's pocket. Fundamentally the movie plot is ridiculous and beyond silly. The comedy is forced and unnecessary, there is too much of it and it doesn't feel natural. And the movie is taking a huge dump on every SW Movie that came before it, TFA included. It's sad to see that a franchise that inspires so many was ruined in one movie. Agreed the prequels were not good movies, but this one's garbage. And after seeing TLJ, I kinda miss Jar Jar. At least he gave a good punching bag. If you take Jar Jar out of the prequels, they almost are good. There is no one thing I could add or remove from TLJ to make it even remotely passable. to everyone who has not seen it yet, here is another quote from Hamill: "This is not going to go the way you think"

[@n_papas4899]

rewatch a pirated version, cut out finn and rose's little escapade and its so much better. AND try to reflect on what Luke came from when it was his own arrogance and high pedestal that caused the downfall of the Jedi (JUST LIKE ANAKIN). I admit im super disappointed with the script, that they didnt at least show more of snoke before his own arrogance killed him, that there is literally no galactic army after 30 years, that there literally isn't a single inkling about the knights of ren in it (I could go on and on about things that don't make sense in the gap between ROTJ and TFA.) BUT its not all trash, you're not focussing enough on some of the deeper themes in there (although some aren't fleshed out) that Star Wars is about. I like what they did with Kylo and Rey. Also a deeper movie than JJ's like the SW were used to but still doesn't live up to the OT and prequels bc there were alot of fizzlers in there that could have been drawn out so much more. I think a 6-7/10 is warranted. peace out fellow fanboy

[@nicklauspangilinan]

Wow, I loved the movie and you were the first comment i've seen that actually makes good points and explains them instead of just "i don't like this and this was stupid and so was this"

[@airtime23]

We are Collider and we love everything Disney throws at us as long as it has STAR WARS written on it.

[@fuckyt69]

Hahaha, pretty much.

[@QazwerDave]

Wonder if they whould hire me, since I don't like Star Wars.

[@undone14]

Sorry David, you're immediately removed from consideration. It's a prerequisite.

[@positivelySlime]

There was a lot of things I didn't like, there are character issues, plot issues, etc. 9 out of 10!!!!!!!! Wtf

[@gj9157]

positivelySlime Jet feul can't melt steel beams.

[@magnumcornetto]

That's how reviewing Star Wars goes. I've read a couple of reviews where it feels the critic had a very lukewarm reaction to the movie, but the score ends up being 4 starts out of 5.

[@Nachoboy128]

positivelySlime that sounds like a justice league review but that'll get a 6.5 or 7

[@comicbookninja5268]

All the critics have been paid off!

[@martinh1309]

Snoke is so underused i cant fucking believe what they did to him and luke

[@mwbp]

Saw the movie last night...it's a 6/10 for me, today i am a bit disappointed in it, last night when i left the movie theatre i was furious with the choices the director made...the fans are going to be split 50/50 on this one, i'm all for them making brave choices but wasted opportunities & stupid choices are harming the franchise...this will be the first Star Wars movie that i only see once in the Cinema and it's pains me to say it but it was the choices the director made regarding the characters paths that hurt it the most. I'm dreading to read the fans reviews when it opens in the US today.

[@ETBrooD]

Sad to hear that. For me it's the first SW movie that I'll watch more than once in the theaters. Probably three times.

[@inghell]

Maybe I was thinking that this film would bring the end of the jedi to form something new, which would have been daring but I'm not really sure there were really any massively brave choices that were made. What do you think were the brave choices?

[@CynicallyObnoxious]

Woooo how right you where

[@datrevmeister]

We were not 50/50, but rather 85/15...the VAST majority HATED this!!!

[@Dj.slothy]

I came away disappointed after the hype they could of done so much more with Luke and snoke wasted

[@Dj.slothy]

Now after this I don't even care about the 3rd part

[@progamingmango1837]

You really think they’re done with snoke

[@kfox4439]

Robbie Rush I’m with you felt like a sort of end to a story not 2nd part in a trilogy

[@geekyblazed8624]

Yeah it was shit

[@99pedropotter]

i tought i was a horrible movie

[@dave1555]

Reviews are all very odd. Most give it high marks but i have yet to see someone look happy. I have a feeling if this was not Star Wars, marks would be way down.

[@Bryan-dr5qy]

dave1555 It's really enjoyable, but some of the unexpected choices will leave you processing. It challenges you as they put it.

[@freshpbluessoul]

i think the opposite. if it wasn't a star wars films people would love it more. The star wars element adds pessimism, due to the bold choices they made with on some a strongly disagree

[@genxer711]

All I hear is excuses for Rian Johnson

[@Bryan-dr5qy]

genxer711 One thing's for sure, Rian took this in a completely different direction. Those choices might bug people a lot but watching it again knowing that their coming helps you evaluate the film better and it is well made.

[@genxer711]

Bryan Leong This would be the first movie in the Star Wars saga that I would be watching again not for enjoyment but to force myself to figure it out

[@beantownbrandon302]

It’s hilarious how many times you have to keep reminding people it’s still a Star Wars Movie! That tells me your worried about it’s perception if you had to dumb down your audience on that. This is gonna be one divisive film mark my words!!!!

[@beantownbrandon302]

Jeremy Lee have you seen it??

[@WSPBane]

Concur with Jeremy Lee. It's disappointing 30+ years of waiting to see the beloved characters return to be shit on so Disney can build their "new Star Wars".

[@jrad410]

Weeks later and how right you were about it being divisive

[@chevster23]

6 months later I cant even say divisive. Its popular opinion that its terrible. Its defenders are far and few. Its very comprable to BvS. In both quality and perception.

[@CynicallyObnoxious]

10 months later we struck back all stand alones on hold almost fucked up the Fox merger and merchandise is losing them lots of money

[@_Mike.85]

5 out of 10 for me. I honestly thought it was mostly garbage. Was so disappointed

[@99pedropotter]

you have no idea how happy I am right now, i was thinking that must be something wrong with me

[@114D]

Michael C this movie sucked

[@zingpulse4138]

As a none Star Wars movie I give it a 5, but since it shares the same universe as STAR WARS & Empire I give it a 3.

[@Mike-rt2vp]

Truth in its purest.

[@Joeyjoejo1990]

I just got back from seeing and straight away went to the net to see what other people are saying, If I was to use one word to describe how I feel about the movie it would be disappointed.

[@MrAndrew428]

Absolutely. That's exactly how I feel right now.

[@114D]

James same. Gutted

[@DoubleGoon]

Why do all these reviewers need a "second viewing" to give this movie an honest review? "I wound up liking it so much more the second time." Oh that's why.

[@kobebonhomme7037]

So they just want an excuse? It's almost like they're suffering a bad form a grief. Couldn't accept it face front the first time, so they wind up convincing themselves that it's still the same Star Wars they love.

[@ZachBobBob]

Maybe it's complex and bold and they need to see it again to get what it's going for

[@manchegocheese8529]

I said this above, but I feel it’s because the movie in your head can never be the film on the screen. You think about how things are going to play out, but they rarely marry up with the reality. Once you seperate the two visions (your own and Johnson’s) you see the film more clearly. Star Wars is a huge event, there’s a great deal of emotional investment in these movies and putting that to one side on a first viewing - when your excitement and anticipation is off the charts - is tough.

[@comicbookninja5268]

I know right? Jeremy Jahns the same.

[@zingpulse4138]

I went through this in 1999 with Menace, went to it 7 times and will not watch it in it ever again...even to 'Hate' watch it. These guys know better, this franchise has a horrible average after 9 films and hasn't been Classic since STAR WARS & ESB. I like ROTJ but this is where the cracks started to show.

[@tomadshade2625]

Watching this back is hilarious and sad at the same time. Look at their faces... Confused and disappointed but can't show it. Sad times. What a fck up this movie was.

[@IdiocyShow]

This movie is anything but a fck up, that’s your brain!

[@nnascroile18]

And a two years cliffhanger ruined by a joke.

[@schloopschloop686]

It wasn’t a joke

[@makingthequants09]

They both didn't like it but can't admit it...kristian more than ken

[@bobbyybouchee]

wtf. not even close man. kristian said he really loved it.

[@fyorbane]

You're way off man.

[@SgtJuls]

If kristian would’ve liked it that much he would’ve shown it.... he clearly is troubled here, his “i was gonna give it as low as 7.5” really worries me, means some decisions and some story elements rlly didn’t connect as much as people might’ve anticipated... oh well

[@hbtdawgz1688]

Julian Vargas He said it himself, the second viewing made him like it more. Sometimes a movie has a lot to take in.

[@SgtJuls]

TyrannosaurusChexMix yea but idk... this seems more like a story issue, I’ve heard him say “they went with some things you might not like or went somewhere you were not anticipating” leads me to believe that’s his own opinion on some stuff... but I thinks it’s due mainly on the fact that he knows so much about canon he was probably expecting more from some characters etc, perry was the same way, mark tho, he seems super excited as well as joe emergency awesome reacted (the latter too aren’t ready books or comics etc) so I believe that weighs in but I doubt it’s gonna affect the casual viewer

[@RadioactiveGoose]

I left the cinema really depressed. I know the prequels were pretty bad but at least it didn't completely ruin the existing lore and characters... As for Episode 8.. It ruined all of it. Therefore I am ranking this below episode 1. Worst of the Star Wars movies in my opinion :/ It could have been so good.

[@114D]

RadioactiveGoose agreed

[@AnikinSolo19]

My problem with TLJ in my personal opinion they totally disrespect the OT and PT everything the Big 3 from the original Rebellion fought and died for it's thrown right out the window one of our biggest beloved characters who helped take down the empire and the Sith is made out to be a total failure I just don't understand how they could do that

[@romxxii]

are you insane? The Prequels are garbage, and deserve zero respect! The fact that you're using that as a defense goes to show you have terrible taste in film, and shouldn't be spreading your opinions.

[@AnikinSolo19]

romxxii the prequels as films yes are bad but the prequels are lore Building Story that is amazing and if you have any respect for George Lucas in any way shape or form you would clearly see past the filme

[@AnikinSolo19]

romxxii I take it you never heard of Joseph Campbell or the hero's journey

[@WSPBane]

Agree I think it is a disservice to fans and the OT cast very disappointed.

[@manchegocheese8529]

Ryan Bullick I understand what you’re saying, but having seen the film I get the choices. A sequel to Return of the Jedi in which everyone is enjoying a happy time of it would be a pretty boring film. Luke’s complex relationship with a religion he knows little about and has no one to guide him through, whilst also carrying the burden of being an icon to a galaxy that expects too much of him, is fantastic. It’s also realistic in a sense, because he was forced to confront and admit the failings of the Jedi order. As for Leia, how often do governments and orders really change things? There’ll always be enemies in politics and, so it is with the Galaxy. The empire falls, but doesn’t retreat into the night... knock over a despot leader/figure head and someone (a devoted acolyte) will spring up in their place.

[@hugkalTV]

**SPOILER** Hope J.J saves this

[@AndrewAnferov]

Jar jar abrams? lol he started the death of sw, now u want 2 finish it?

[@Mike-rt2vp]

And snoke dies, Luke dies after looking powerful but I was actually just a trick, though maybe a powerful trick. And Leah is Goku

[@journeymanX]

i dont like JJ that much but for the sake of continuity he's our only hope

[@SgtJuls]

This honestly worries me so much... I wasn’t expecting a TFA type of reaction, but it’s the second movie and these guys nor anyone in any movie review I’ve seen has hyped me up, actually every time I get more and more worried... “as a Star Wars fan you might see some stuff that you weren’t expecting” “just remember SW is meant to be an adventure”... I was expecting more of a “omfgggg u guys gotta watch it, moves the story forward so much, gives a new insight to the force and makes watching TFA a thousand times better”..... hmmm ig my expectations have been hindered quite a bit oh well

[@rudypt9126]

Makes me worry that they're going to ruin a pretty good story. It's going to turn into a money making machine for Disney. Not to say there isn't anything good, I liked it but it was OK, not good.

[@ort94041]

“This movie will give you a lot to think about” tough luck. People on the internet don’t think about these things. They will instantly complain about it being against canon, or against the EU or some shit like that instead of trying to rationalize it.

[@MarkaNgamer]

There ARE SOME that are intelligent enough to make videos about those things. You just have to ignore 90% of the rest of them though.

[@AndrewAnferov]

what ep 8 offers to think about? Benny hiil type battle when 1 cruiser could use micro jump to kill. super leader snoke? that have 0 story but we got tons of porgs

[@bebo2629]

Snoke was killed by Ren becouse Ren wanted his place. The dark side is shown very well and you have a classic greek story of trying to escape your destiny.

[@Richoracle]

Gee!, its funny how you guys sound almost apologetic..... 9/10 my ass.

[@eliteplayer6702]

Disney has destroyed what StarWars is.. not only did they miss the opportunity to connect all 7 movies by having Plagueis the wise as the villain behind the scenes and Rey being Lukes baby girl but they denied giving us Old Republic series and Battlefront II being bad.. it's bad and it will get worse.. but ill stick to the last Sith dying on the arms of the most powerful Jedi master and won't be around to see my favorite story line burn to ashes

[@johnbrastock]

So because it's not exactly what you want it's crap. And who are you?

[@eliteplayer6702]

John Brastock Im a fan who can't understand what they've done with the story line.. and not to mention the characters.. if your a star wars you would definitely understand

[@gagemcpherson4454]

Exactly

[@zayray4283]

You guys telling us to just accept the events that transpires in the film really pisses me off cause that means something happens that fans wont like and i already suspected something like that to happen😂

[@zayray4283]

Alexander Joshua Davis I'll see for myself today and i feel that if i leave pissed then star wars is just episodes 1-6 for me

[@TheJonnyb2144]

Zay Ray no it just means the way it went isn’t what everyone thought after 2 years is speculating

[@114D]

Alexander Joshua Davis amazingly crafted as a whole? They fucking needed a codebreaker. They called Maz for some unexplained reason and Poe didn't know her Then they didn't find the guy and risked the ENTIRE RESISTANCE on the word of a guy who they didn't know if he could break codes This was after they were told that only one guy could do it. Maz was too busy playing Battelfront 2 or something Fuck this movie

[@broke602]

It's scary when they keep reiterating that it's different from a star wars movie. Does someone come out in this movie or something?

[@conker241]

broke602 Luke and Han secretly had a thing going on

[@AustinPPutnam]

It's easily a different Star Wars film from the rest of the pack, but it's still very much a Star Wars movie at its core.

[@23carepackage]

They explore some things that they have never dealt with before. It’s also not a typical Star Wars story structure. You might like it you might not.

[@TrueSankofa7]

lol

[@SeeFoodDie]

Rey takes the lightsaber training too far. Save the rest for the spoiler review.

[@lakerstekkenn]

So, they didn't like the movie and then after watching it again and then liked it, then its not that good to begin with. You can't force yourself to like something you didn't like, they should of just said it's not that bad, but not that good. But to say it's not good and i didn't like it and then give it a 9 out of 10 is lying to us, you should of stuck with the 7 out of 10, that score was honest.

[@ZachBobBob]

I've hated a film the first time I've seen it and liked it after multiple viewings. Opinions can change

[@esselspokenword6647]

The movie is quite deep and is hard to digest the 1st time around

[@SanDunk13]

dale lee I think they mean they had Goin in their idea of what the movie should be and it wasnt...so the second time they paid attention to the story it was telling as opposed to focusing on the story they want it to tell

[@manchegocheese8529]

With a big movie like this and characters we’ve loved for decades it’s very hard to separate the movie in your head from the movie on the screen. Especially the first time around. What you wanted - or expected - and what you get often don’t marry up with one another, so a second viewing can absolutely help clear things up. Also, and I’m guilty of this, Star Wars is such a rare film event, you get quite excited for it, the anticipation is huge, the fanfare around your first viewing is ramped up... some things pass you by, the film feels like it’s going a million miles an hour. A repeat viewing allows for greater focus.

[@TotakTosong]

This is a good movie. I just watched it. Exactly the same thing like they said. You gotta watch the movie twice. Because I felt exhausted coming out from the movie. But in a good way. The twist, the plot, everything is too much to process in just one viewing.

[@sctmt8661]

I have a bad feeling about this movie....😔😔

[@derNephelin]

Don´t. the parts you connect with i promise you will love. And you will cry a few times for different reasons. there are parts that dont connect. there are parts that you might feel you do not want there. but i tell you: Its a big damm fine cake with a meh topping.

[@lc6190]

you should! movie is shit

[@mohannadtaha6150]

this movie took alot of risks but i think it is on the same level as the force awakens i hope you will enjoy it

[@hytrahummy51]

javier lema fucking direct it yourself then.

[@sctmt8661]

I didnt like this movie all especially what they did with luke fans where waiting for this moment for YEARS!!! For them to do this to luke 😔😔😔

[@councilofkarens729]

Me personally, I love this video. So cool, so cool.......

[@nameredactedmessageretract7225]

After seeing everyone's initial reactions I was really expecting much more excited and happy reviews, but everyone just seems "eh, it's aight".

[@robinmatthewcruz9943]

Michael Andrews yeah, from what I’ve seen and read, it’s between amazing and disappointing.

[@manchegocheese8529]

I really enjoyed it. It’s very similar to ESB in that it’s a much better film - in terms of the story, character development an themes - than its predecessor at the expense of being so easily accessible. TFA was a fun time, but hardly revolutionary. It didn’t need to be, but that’s that. The only thing I didn’t like was scenes at a particular location and the plot therein that served only as a political soapbox and vanity piece for Rian Johnson. They’re completely unnecessary.

[@connerclark3678]

Michael Andrews It really is somewhere in between, and it depends on what you value. If you are invested in a prior knowledge of tactics and technology and limits of the universe, you’ll be unsettled. If you have any attachment to what old(er) Master Skywalker became and did in the EU, you’ll be beyond disappointed, possibly just confused and/or gut-punched. If you value powerful spiritual and moral messages, with abstract but deep representations of inner angels and demons, you will get a lot more from the film. It has a different set of strengths and weaknesses from VII so that I would guess Johnson was overcorrecting based on critical reviews of VII.

[@WildSkyMtn]

The OT sparked because of mark hamill and Harrison ford were awesome together. That level of acting hasn’t been duplicated in the prequels or the Disney movies. Benicia del toro almost saves the movie but they did t let him talk to Luke. The only reason people will like this movie is cause it’s called Star Wars. That’s not a bad problem to have. But it’s a problem Disney has to work on. Based on episode 7 and 8 I can say it’s obvious Disney didn’t have a vision of where to take the story when they bought the license. They just saw lunchboxes and toys and video games. That’s how it feels.

[@danielbedenbaugh-cortes3567]

its horrible

[@WITNESSREVENGE]

Me personally, i loved this movie.

[@chrisdornerrespecter8884]

i agree very cool

[@cowetascore8476]

This aged like 1000 year old milk

[@sum-tingwong121]

The fact that no reviews are saying whether or not Rey's parents and snoke's origins are revealed worries me. I don't want to be spoiled on what they are, but know if they are actually answered. If I'm still asking those same questions going into episode 9 I'm going to be pissed.

[@andygibbs734]

Cha Boi In the original trilogy. And why does it matter who raise parents car? She’s just a poor sensitive person. It doesn’t matter who her parents are because in the force awakens it was made very clear that her family was not coming back they were unimportant.

[@trevorrobinette472]

Why does it matter? Lol

[@PapiBocaChula]

Cha Boi well good luck with that, Snoke gets chopped in half like Darth Maul... total bullshit

[@darthdarthbinks4831]

DarthVader DaGreat Don't worry he'll come back with spider legs in episode 14

[@kobebonhomme7037]

It does matter who Rey's parents are. We need a reason as to why Rey is such a powerful force user. Why is she more powerful than Anakin or Luke? Anakin was made a special case, and he went on to birth a son so of course they would share similar links with the force. Rey has no explanation and we're just made to believe she can do all this with very limited training "just coz". It's weak reasoning and disregards the deep mythology.

[@ZZealot]

I like how the guy on the right didn't loved the movie but still has to say positive things over what you can clearly see are his real feelings.

[@ABTwe]

kylo ken, if you cannot admit episode 7 is rehash awakens then what are you doing with your life?

[@jessekooistra6200]

The force awakens was a fun movie for sure but to say it wasn't a paint by numbers rehash is disingenuous. Love Ken but disappointed in that moment.

[@TheDoctorFF]

This is still, 2 years on, the world’s dumbest argument

[@QazwerDave]

BanditIncorporated on KZbin really proved how TFA is 93% a rehash of the original trilogy, especially A New Hope !!

[@RonyH7]

Ken probably feels tfa is different enough to not be considered a rehash. He does admit the have similarities, no one can deny that.

[@jaybeemods]

This doesn't deserve a second viewing. It's a crap fest. It looks good but Its flaws bring it down considerably. It's very average and generic with too many WTF moments. 5/10 as a rating would be more accurate.

[@hankhill318]

Jason Butwell Maybe for you, but I liked it a lot more than that. Don't just state your opinion as a fact.

[@jaybeemods]

You're entitled to your opinion so if you liked it, that's fine and I'm happy for you. The word is out though and I'm not the only one that found it a disappointment. That's all I'm going to say without being childish and getting into a war of words over a fantasy film anyway.

[@SilentaryXIV]

It's like watching an episode of Game of Thrones.

[@liltrill5265]

Woah I wonder if arloff would be as jovial if his ego didn’t get stroked by Disney.

[@THXn11]

Bold new direction? I've grown up with star wars. It was my life. For 40 yrs and now the magic has gone. They've taken everything we had, as life long fans, and just taken a long hard shit on it. The force is dead.

[@OkieAllDay]

I am convinced these guys are getting paid to praise Star Wars. After leaving that movie I had to see if I was the only Star Wars fan that thought that was straight dog crap. I've watched 50 videos in that time and Collider is one of two (out of fifty) who didn't hate this movie...

[@aim120C]

so this is what the nerd crew is based on!

[@ariesroc]

"Risk Taking Like Never Before "? Really? Risk taking is what Star Wars under Lucas was all about from ANH to TESB to ROTJ to TPM to AOTC to ROTS. That's what TFA was not about so if TLJ goes back to that then that is just the return to the norm after the abnormal TFA which was all about being safe and secure.

[@franticnoobs9187]

You have my admiration for being able to ramble off all of the acronyms.

[@stoneryoda9377]

Frantic Noobs I got lost on those haha

[@ArmandsTechTalk]

I would only disagree with you on ROTS being a challenge, if it was then they would have had padme attempt to kill Anakin.

[@Mike-rt2vp]

To me the biggest risk taken in the movie where all the dumb jokes. Like the prank phone call to the Star Destroyer, talk about starting on the wrong foot.

[@jacobodom8401]

Last Jedi is Empire Strikes Back + Return of the Jedi, and ends with the beginning scene of Empire. Last Jedi shoots down everything that TFA brought up because it had to resolve all the dumb plot lines in order to move on and try something new.

[@wilderfox2]

Dang it please have Luke have a fight preferably with his green saber!!

[@AndrewAnferov]

for 1 mini flashback

[@2404Vampire]

Is this going to be like with The Phantom Menace, when people went and saw it multiple times just to find something they liked in it, because they couldn't admit to themselves they didn't like a Star Wars film?

[@MaffmanJones]

This is one of the only peeks I'm taking into review territory till Thursday night and I knew I could trust you guys to say a lot without saying anything. Thank you! Cannot wait.

[@juniorsandoval9624]

red letter media does a great impression on these guys, hilarious

[@tom4md123]

ngl this film was pretty damn disappointing....and was quite boring

[@Mike-rt2vp]

Tom Walker Films I wasn't thinking boring but more ridiculous. Luke milks an alien. I mean really he milks an alien. And Leia is Goku.

[@ericgustin3386]

oh my god ken, are you kidding me?! force awakens was a PURE paint by numbers replica of a new hope. it just had a couple of added things that made it SLIGHTLY different. force awakens was still a good movie. i liked it. in fact i liked it quite a bit for the most part, that being said i also LOVED die hard .... and i liked die hard 2 quite a bit as well. same movie with a few extra goodies in it.

[@TheKeyser94]

Force Awakens was good if you love stories without any context whatsoever or world building, dumbed down to the point of stupidity.

[@worldprez6655]

The Force Awakens was solid gold compared to this trash

[@Dionizos666]

Soo people who hated Force Awakens and Disney bc they wanted something new and fresh should be happy that Last Jedi is taking risks and it feels different?

[@StaySqueezy12]

Dionizos666 People wanted a new story not a story that ignores the basics of characters.

[@Dionizos666]

SSTWELVE Sounds like it is a new story. Dont know what you talking about characters and i dont want to be spoiled.

[@neonlost]

It has a new story.. I wouldn't be worried about feeling it's a rehash. Trust me lol you'll be shocked and enjoy it.

[@rhino2340]

No they will still complain coz they love complaining

[@ronburrelljr7077]

Those people are never gonna be happy

[@KennethLyVideography]

Ken hit the nail here. This movie is a challange and that's why it's great. I never thought I would challanged by a Star Wars. It was such a pleasant surprise.

[@R0DisG0D]

With the beginning I really thought it would mirror Empire and I was pissed before the movie even really started. Where it went next didn't disappoint me at all though. I definitely have to see this again to be really sure how I feel about it, but I already like it a lot.

[@lc6190]

movie was shit

[@TheKeyser94]

Is a challenge if you are five years old, and Star Wars already have a trilogy that challenge people if you have enough brains, but of course, if you are a Original Star Wars fanboy that wont matter.

[@liv4pool]

Garowice It's a decent action adventure film, but it's a terrible Star Wars film. Far too many poor choices in story and character, overly forced and poorly positioned 'humour'. Can't believe RJ got this past Disney executives. They must really not give a shit about Star Wars. All about the ££££$$$$.

[@PJB1995]

Garowice It was *challenging* my fucking sanity, at points I genuinely thought I’d fallen asleep (as I hadn’t had nearly enough sleep beforehand) and was dreaming up some of the crazy stupid shit they just threw in there.

[@gokinsmen]

Not watching or reading any reviews until I see it on Thursday night. Even vague statements like "something shocking happens midway through the film" would be too much for me. I clicked on this vid but paused it immediately. See y'all in 2 days...

[@MerlinsBeard]

gokinsmen yeah stay away - there are massive spoilers out there at the moment

[@suhcars8395]

Yeah, I can't believe that Ray dies.

[@its_my_call]

Got spoiled by a guy in a comment. He played it off by saying he was just joking. I was kind of relieved but was still worried if he actually spoiled the movie since what he commented seemed pretty realistic. Turns out that his spoiler was real. So yh fuck spoilers.

[@garyesajas]

gokinsmen and ? Did you like it ?

[@RaikenXion]

That exactly what I was like, two days before I just went dead from social media, glad I did too I love it. Theres only one single thing I dont like that was "cut" from the movie.

[@ToroidalVortexLove]

Omg I'm so freaking scared. Wondering what these 'brave' choices were 🤔

[@zunfren]

Me too. I've watched several reviews now and most of them have said the same thing about the direction it takes.

[@PapiBocaChula]

Luke dying is rumored along with Snoke.. Luke dying is B ullshit. No wonder Mark warned us.. "I fundamentally disagreed with how Rian Johnson saw Luke".. makes total sense now. If Mark thought is was B ullshit, he knows they went in the wrong direction..

[@ToroidalVortexLove]

DarthVader DaGreat delete your potential spoiler please

[@PapiBocaChula]

ToroidalVortexLove fuck no, cause if it's true. It's not cool. First Han Solo, now Luke dead due to some ridiculous Astral projection n Snoke chopped in half like Maul.

[@sirmarshall9521]

Both of them are pushing or are 70. People do die, bud. No way around it. At some point, the torch has to be passed to the next generation. Nothing 'bullshit' about it.

[@Obsidian-Nebula]

Something tells me Jar Jar Abrams is going to harm it...

[@agentblackacid]

Thanks God JJ is coming back!!! This was a clusterfuck.

[@EvilSpockEmpire]

JJ raped Star Trek, and Star Wars.

[@Nemesis_T_Type]

Jar Jar Abrams is a hack. Next he will butcher a well loved anime movie called Your Name that was just released last year.

[@BlvkColossus]

The only 2 ppl I care to hear from on the Council.

[@TheKeyser94]

Original Star Wars fans cock suckers, their opinion is valid as bullshit.

[@oklahomakidz]

12:10-12:16 If. Translation- " This movie was a fucking HD dumpster fire " Geez, you wanna see a bad poker face..there you have it.

[@briandavids7355]

I thoroughly enjoy Kens point of view such a well informed Star Wars fan.

[@colmomaoilmhiadhaigh6634]

Risk taking my ass

[@icecreamisnice117]

Colm Mulvey Ikr. Unless pointlessly killing characters is considered risk taking...

[@PapiBocaChula]

If there wasn't a standing ovation... Be afraid, be very afraid

[@AustinPPutnam]

There were cheers and applause at the press screening I went to. All the critics around me loved it.

[@gups6662]

A critics opinion of any scifi movie is irrelevant

[@marktimmermans1]

only your opinion matters, right? The salt in the comments is too much.

[@gups6662]

lol, meaning that critics have difficulty seeing that genre in its own right. And are geared to mainstream flicks. My opinion only matters to me, but the assumptive nature you have speaks very highly of your own self worth, but I guess you need someone

[@camp4600]

I saw it about 4 hours ago... Nobody applauded. Personally my reaction when the lights came on was "WTF!?" and that lasted a few hours, I'm still a bit in shock. ... I had a ticket for another screening 1,5 hours ago but decided not to go... I need a few more days to process this before seeing it again. It's better than TFA, but that's not a high praise for me 'cause I think TFA and AOTC are the two worst SW movies. Right now, almost 5 hours after watching it... I'm not really excited for ep 9 at all. It feels like the saga just ended. Maybe they should have mimicked ESB and gone for a cliffhanger after all. I predict ep 9 will take place many years after ep 8.

[@InfiniteUmbra]

The movie was great. To each their own but me and my family loved it.

[@godofcod89]

Snoke is 1 of the worst villain of all time looooool luke was hiding from this joke im done

[@pietropietro5466]

godofcod89 He wasn't hiding from him, he was in exile for a completly different reason

[@manojvarughese4337]

Snoke reads everything so carefully and then lol...wtf happened?

[@Nemesis_T_Type]

A Disney executive was snorting coke that day when he created Snoke.

[@Zangelin]

I mean Snoke was obviously never intended to be the bad guy. He was a tool to advance Kylo Rens character. That was obviously already in Force Awakens.

[@roadkillz78]

Indeed, he was a tool. When you make a character with no development, history, or backstory out of thin air simply to just to use as a plot device, it's a waste. It makes Kylo's advancement somewhat empty and meaningless. We will likely never know how much of a feat it was for Kylo to betray Snoke or what Snoke may have taught him. What's the purpose of the First Order considering they followed Snoke and his ambitions that we are all unaware of? Before the movie, we had the possibilities that Snoke was some mysterious entity that had potentially great ambitions to raising a new empire, now, we are left with, "just because he is/was a bad guy that Kylo needed to kill in order to take over".

[@KwaIified]

funny coming back to this....they saw it twice at this point and gave it a 9 outta 10....lol...actually raising their original 8 outta 10 rating...this SW movie is at tops a 4 or 5...it was probably the biggest disappointment of my life filmwise....Phantom Menace is up there too....ask Kristian now what he rates it....haha

[@BlyUehara37]

They literally destroyed the character of Luke Skywalker I can not believe that they make fun of the fans so cruelly Nobody cares about the new characters Episode IX it will be a complete disaster

[@S2GUnit]

Yep, the new characters are terrible & cartoonish, seems like in an attempt to make people like them. "Here's your new hero's & friends you need to like"

[@WSPBane]

Yep now we know why Mark Hamill didnt like what they did to Luke. It is a complete disservice to the characters, fans and actors. Nice job Disney. SWTOR's Blur trailers present a vastly better SW universe then this movie.

[@seabass8242]

You guys are honestly so whiny.. expecting Luke to be some perfect hero is so stupid and would be so 1 dimensional lol

[@cissyiniguez]

Dizacht Not perfect, that's not what I wanted, but someone with a consistent belief. Why have a character fight so hard for essentially someone's soul, then turn around and have them give up so easily on another person's and want to destroy it?

[@dopekenny2024]

Have any of you seen it even? You're not seeing the bigger picture - Luke will still be in ep 9 and will be more powerful (as he clearly stated!!)

[@sinistril]

Daisy Ridley is in a bad position because the writers made her a Mary Sue. I'd feel bad for her if she didn't get defensive about it... she's either in denial or obvlivious

[@lamanticora5469]

"It feels like a Star Wars movie" You mean a soap opera with space shit? Ok

[@cowbhoydave]

Me personally i loved this movie lol

[@Thedurandy]

9 out of 10? All credibility lost

[@jamielawrence6995]

Well I saw it last night at 12.01 am and LOVED it!! HUGE Star Wars fan from 77 too :)

[@TresWinn]

Going to the 7pm and 10pm on Thursday night.

[@jameswomack819]

Tres Winn same here! 2 different formats MTFBWY

[@kaptainkafir6231]

so you got 2 tickets (35 quid) left, if it sucks.

[@TresWinn]

Kaptain Kafir 93% on Rotten Tomatoes, 4.5 schmoes.. and you’ve seen the movie? Oh I’m sorry you just read the spoilers on Reddit. Gotcha.

[@kaptainkafir6231]

well, first of all, I did say "if", and 2nd, the first part of an intented franchise always sets the tone. TFA was kinda meh, so I don't expect more from this one. but of course we don't want to blaspheme against RT and the schmoes. didn't RT give the new crappy star trek show a score of 90%?

[@TresWinn]

Kaptain Kafir I couldn’t tell you what it gave Star Trek. But I can tell you that TLJ is already getting reviews that are full of critics talking about how different this movie is compared to, not only TFA, but all Star Wars movies.

[@ejturner530]

You are literally giving me so much HOPE right now Kristian! This makes me excited to see the movie again!!! (And hope is what it's all about right?)

[@wellbangok8959]

SPOILERS!!!!!! Do not click read more if you don't want to see spoilers. - Luke Dies - Kylo Ren kills snoke and becomes the new supreme leader. Supreme leader Ren.

[@amazingfantasy6315]

It's over Anakin, I have the high ground. Lol what? 😅😅

[@wellbangok8959]

Peter Parker It wasn't intended to be a joke, that's actually what happens.

[@dms5341]

You have the best name on KZbin. And I love you.

[@mctapoutos7426]

REMEMBER WHO'S WRITING THE CHECK'S...WOW SOOOOOO COOOOOOOL I'M GOING TO CLAPP👏👏👏👏

[@Justin.JM.McNeil]

yeah, they said the same things about Justice League...

[@jimalexander687]

I've seen all nine films theatrically, first-run (before Lucas ruined the originals with his "fixes" in the 1990's). Each and every time (even with the abysmal prequels), I left the theater thinking, "I want to see this again" and "I can't wait to see what will happen in the next one." That feeling was missing with this one. I have no desire to see it again, and I could care less what happens in episode 9. While there were fantastic scenes throughout, and the humor was top-notch, I felt the there was no cohesion to the film, but rather a disjointed assemblage of non-related and uninteresting sketches. Entire portions of the film were stupid and completely unnecessary (the entire Casino planet side-trip for one thing). If Johnson concentrated on the core characters, the film would have been more tolerable. Instead, he opted to give everyone unwarranted screen time, and the film suffers terribly. Even Rey, who stole every scene she was in in the episode 7, was under utilized. The entire film was a mess. As a "Star Wars" fan for 40 years, I have never been more disappointed in a "Star Wars" movie -- ever. And that's saying a lot, considering my feelings about the abominable prequels.

[@StaySqueezy12]

After reading the spoilers, im VERY dissapointed

[@nerdy_seb301]

SSTWELVE in a bad way

[@StaySqueezy12]

Sebastian Jasinski yea

[@BlvkColossus]

SSTWELVE Why would you read em?

[@emilynuttall3135]

SSTWELVE why, because the characters went where you didn't predict

[@JoshuaFLO86]

link to the spoilers ? lol

[@seaneehumanbeing]

I think I walked out of the theater last night with the same feelings that Ken and Christian have. This is a great review to prep you for The Last Jedi. They hit the nail on the head with this!

[@DuncanBonnick]

Gargh, I so want to watch this! But I've decided I'll wait till after I've seen it myself. Tickets booked ✓ Midnight Wednesday! Can't freaking wait!! #hyped

[@alexsilva4602]

In the year 2019, Kristian does NOT think this is a “great Star Wars film.”

[@PowerBeeEngine]

Did they learn how to correctly ignite Luke's Saber? They really messed it up in TFA.

[@4allicare]

Genuinely curious, what is the correct way, and how did the way that they ignited it differ?

[@SamMitchell90]

Anakins*

[@DaleTuck31]

David James *Jedi Council's/Obi-Wan's

[@franticnoobs9187]

That one got me too, although there was a clone wars episode (don't remember which one) where Anakin turns it on with a non-traditional button.. but still not the one used in TFA. And nerd status confirmed.

[@stoneryoda9377]

"Catch a football you nerds"

[@AltFreak25]

Hands down: Adam Driver was the perfect actor to choose for Kylo Ren's character

[@raptorperegrine]

i was hyped because this review....but i left the theather dissapointed and with more questions than answers. ... this review is misleading

[@montybrewster7]

Hmmm??? I think I must have watched a different film to you guys? I've been a Jedi Coucil viewer since all the pre-release shows before The Force Awakens came out & I'm usually right on point with Kristian when we're talking Star Wars. But we're obviously parking our cars in very different garages on this one! I genuinely hope the rest of the fans out there enjoy it more than I did because this film was an enormous miss from me. I'm a lifelong fan since I first saw Star Wars (A New Hope to you kids out there, ha ha) asa 6 year old & I NEVER imagined after the joy that was The Force Awakens to have Rian Johnsons Star Wars film sitting above only The Phantom Menace & Attack of the Clones! The idea that I'd like Revenge of the Sith more than I like this film would have been laughable yesterday. But after getting up at 4.30 am this morning to watch it at 6am on the morning of release here in the UK, it's a sad, sorry reality! This was a 5 out of 10 for me after 1st viewing. I'd already booked tickets for a 2nd viewing tomorrow, but my gut feeling is it'll only drop after seeing it again. I just hope JJ can put us back on track in EpIX. Thanks for the review tho guys, even if it did feel like it wast heavily dusted with 'Disney pleasing' dose of Hollywood spin. No spoilers but you can't tell me Darth Harloff & Kylo Ken were okay with the "I'm Mary Poppins y'all" scene! Oh Pleeease!!!

[@beantownbrandon302]

I wish you guys were like this for my DC films. Hilarious how concerned you are by the constant repeats of ITS A STAR WARS MOVIE and constant repeats of reassurance on what to expect and trying to embrace it. No one did that for our DCfilms when we took risks 🙄

[@wholelifeahead]

difference is DC movies are genuinely shit films

[@natedog101591]

Cause most of your DCEU films sucked

[@stoneryoda9377]

Brandon Lopez did you make the DC movies then

[@mitchgriffin2611]

Whyd u say "my" , that's kinda of weird ownership thing there

[@juniorsandoval9624]

disney money my friend, all the positive reviews sound the same, check out red letter media they nail these reviewers to a tee. I love those guys

[@Mike-rt2vp]

Remember when that random Soldier tastes the ground and says it's salt. That was the best part of the movie. No actually Luke milking the alien was the best part.

[@cobrastang450]

Is your reference to Harry Potter in and of itself a possible spoiler? There were rumors that Snoke could be a bit like Voldemort...

[@joelbryant8836]

Devin Bergman having read the spoilers, I think the Harry Potter reference is the type of spoiler where you don’t make the connection until you see the movie. After you see it you’ll get it.

[@witchingroom]

I think the harry potter-ish scene was shown very quickly in the trailers, and it involves large animals.

[@mattod3259]

it’s all about the early premiere tonight. The anticipation is killing me.

[@michaellewis8431]

Revenge of the sith is better than The Last Jedi

[@lokimultiverse6829]

Michael Lewis nah turd 💩 I

[@RobinMikalsenVFX]

I LOVE THIS MOVIE! I can't stop thinking about it. I'm going for a second watch, I have bought 6 tickets to all my palls. Probably the best Xmas gift I could give them this year

[@georgesain434]

Fin and Rey kick Kylo's ass in The Force Awakens and now Kylo has the power to kill Snoke???? Who in the hell wrote this garbage?

[@MattyS18920]

I dont get how risk taking and challenging automatically makes the film good. There is so many huge parts that just left me deflated. I need to see it again, but it isn't going to change the narrative direction taken with Snoke, Luke, Finn, Phasma etc. Baffling.

[@MrCrapheadist]

Rian Johnson has never seen a Star Wars film in his life. Star Wars is now a huge , money making , Disney size piece of fodder.

[@mpg3946]

It is without doubt the best looking SW film ever made. No doubt. I think, for me, too many of Rian's risks didn't pay off to be satisfying. But I want to watch it again to see if my opinion changes.

[@tzaielo]

I just seen the movie... Nice try by Rian Johnson, but it's like when you commit too much and fail miserably.. I'm done with SW.. 😢

[@mataprogres2100]

tzaielo me too. This is the worst piece of shit

[@ssdaaFaf2]

You'll still see Episode 9 tho

[@114D]

tzaielo I'm done with star wars too. I think the first 3 were lightening in a bottle. They can't make one single good film after.

[@aliyah2894]

Bye 👋

[@vanessajohn560]

Lol bye

[@MasterVycen]

This sounds like my kind of Star Wars movie. I really didn't want a fan remake of Empire. Them saying this almost didn't feel like Star Wars in some ways makes me so happy/excited for this movie. Star Wars shouldn't be the same movie every time....

[@journeymanX]

the film avoided taking risks,the magic of the orig trilogy cant be replicated specially empire strikes back,you wanna watch this a second time means you wanna nitpick and find something good to salvage,this is a very DIFFERENT film, that's because it sucked

[@undone14]

The Last Jedi in a nutshell: took a shit on everything set up in Episode 7. All the potential was shit on and tossed out the window. The old trilogy? Same thing. Luke, was so out of character. A certain character had a laughable superman like moment. What a piece of shit. I didn't go in wanting to dislike it. I went in wanting to like it. Left all hype and expectations at the door. What we got was shit that didn't make sense. The questions you have before watching the movie, you will still have after. Fucking Mark Hamil himself said he didn't like the way Luke was written.

[@liv4pool]

This is two people who clearly didn't like the film much at all searching for reasons to like it because it benefits their business to do so. No genuine Star Wars fan can come out of that theatre happy.

[@jamesparker5]

Just got back from watching it the first time and I can't decide what I think about it. Very much on side with Kristian's thoughts.

[@belalugosi7771]

9/10 and 9/10? Sounds like big risks, big rewards. I’m glad I have no chill and bought a second pair of tickets to see it even earlier so I’ll get to watch it twice.

[@mozart7820]

Bela Lugosi me too these reviews have fucked me up

[@belalugosi7771]

God King Bob Ross Well we won’t know the general audience consensus until we see what sort of legs and WOM this movie has. It’s the fandom (most of whom haven’t even seen the film and are going off spoilers) that’s divided but that was bound to happen. Fans have been speculating for two years and their theories are shattered in a little over two hours. But it’s funny since Empire, the franchise’s darling, initially met a mixed reception. It’s interesting that the fandom response to this second film is passionate as well. I stumbled on a few spoilers and while they’re not what I expected, they don’t really bother me. Like you said, I’ll form a true opinion when I see how it’s all executed.

[@99pedropotter]

it's almost PM level

[@AndrewAnferov]

half of guys walked away in my cinema to the end. gl in suffering

[@belalugosi7771]

God King Bob Ross Yeah, I disagree. Finally saw this last night and actually loved it. Sorry that you didn’t enjoy the movie but it worked for me and I’m looking forward to seeing it again.

[@bjrmagic1]

Ok...so what u r saying is if we don’t like it the first time, go watch it a second time...👍Makes sense to me ...😁

[@KaylaMarie_]

Harry Potter similarities?

[@jdl6881]

clariola look at that girl with the purple hair looks like some shit straight out of hunger games or Harry Potter

[@solitudesoldier9365]

I bet it has something to do with Rey and Luke (Harry & Dumbledore moment) on a quest for a relic

[@KaylaMarie_]

Tony Rivera im thinking Snoke / Voldemort...?

[@mikethedinoman8970]

hadji annihilator The Rich and Wealthy in Star Wars are extremely eccentric, this is a known fact

[@manchegocheese8529]

The mirror sequence from Philosophers Stone.

[@mctapoutos7426]

HOW EMBARRASSING... ABSOLUTELY...I CRIED BUTTERFLY TIERS...I FEEL ALL THE FEELS... ABSOLUTELY