Collider Mail Bag - Marvel's Movie And TV Worlds Splitting Apart?

On today's episode of Collider Mail Bag (Saturday November 7th 2015) we take the following viewer emails:
Gairett Taylor writes: Do you think the sci fi success from Star Wars will encourage JJ to finally make Cloverfield 2? Fingers crossed!
Heston Roberts writes: Hey guys. Big fan of MovieTalk and the amazing cast in front and behind the camera. Keep up the AWESOME work! I can't help but think DC's explanation of their TV shows taking place in one universe and their films in another a lazy excuse to not explore a true cohesive form of storytelling. If Samuel L. Jackson and Jaimie Alexander could appear on Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D, imagine Ben Affleck's Batman on screen with Stephen Amell's Green Arrow? Would love to hear what you think.
Marco Clarke writes: Hey Collider video crew but is it crazy to think that Zoom could be Earth 2 Eddie Thawn and he's extra motivated to kill Barry because he feels like his Earth one counterpart killed himself to save the Flash was useless? Thanks and keep up the great work.
Jennifer Mathis writes: Greetings from Texas! I watched the Man From U.N.C.L.E. earlier this week and I found that I really enjoyed it, even with the hype following it has online. I know the film didn't bring in too big of a profit from its budget and marketing, but I was wondering what is the chance we'll see a sequel? Hopefully with the same cast.
Kory Leach writes: I'm a 43 year old man who just watched "To Kill a Mockingbird" for the first time tonight. This being an American classic and Atticus Finch being a time honored ideal of integrity. Has there been any talk of a remake of this?
Michael DuFresne writes: With the number of reboots and remakes of major motion pictures (Spiderman, F4, Ghostbusters...) out there, what chance, if any, do you think there might be of Disney rebooting the SW prequels? As it stands, the majority of fans pan the prequels as un-watchable.
Pedro Jesus writes: Hey guys, greetings from Portugal! I was wondering if you're aware of the 2013 DC animated movie "Batman: The Dark Knight Returns, part 2", because it's basically a Batman vs Superman, and I've never heard you mention it on the show. The same goes for Batman: Assault on Arkham, wich is also like a Suicide Squad animated movie. So have you watched them, and what are your thoughts on this matter? Could there be similarities between the animated and live action plots? Thanks guys, and keep up the excellent work!
Chance A writes: My question is With Marvel movie studios Separating from Marvel That Owns and operates the comics And Netflix television shows, Will that affect the Netflix characters from ever appearing In the movies? Thanks in keep up the good work.
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[@simplyrecommended]

this mans work ethic is impeccable he must be a metahuman

[@richardbishop1587]

I feel that the reasoning behind Marvel Agents of SHIELD making so much mention of their connection with the movie universe in the first two seasons, was to pull the audience of the cinematic viewer's interest into the show... in my opinion they haven't failed in the slightest!! I love the movies AND the show, and can't wait to see how they'll continue to keep the movies and the show connected!!

[@kaleiohu]

The entire plot of Daredevil was a result of the events of Avengers and the rebuilding of Hell's Kitchen. Good design works within restraints and is often made better by it. Shows being written to take place within the MCU is not the crippling adversity John makes it out to be. However DC has had a continual TV presence for a long time so creating a singular universe for DC is harder than it was for Marvel who could basically brand and franchise everything right at the start. Different situations which makes different strategies make sense for both companies.

[@YourMarvelFan]

^

[@eagc7]

+Kaleiohu Lee But despite that, Daredevil still keeps the references to the films a bit lower than SHIELD

[@darcrequiem]

+Kaleiohu Lee Excellent comment. I like Campea but I too disagree with him on this subject.

[@kaleiohu]

eagc7 sure, but in both cases it makes sense for the narrative. Daredevil is a street level vigilante and SHIELD was already the glue that connected the phase 1 films together.

[@darraghtate440]

+eagc7 That's becasue it's SHIELDS JOB to deal with the superhuman stuff. Daredevil is just a guy, who isn't affiliated with the world government. It's like saying a show about the military brings up terrorism a lot, but a show about a suburban family doesn't - of course it doesn't, one is actually dealing with that subject matter, and the other isn't.

[@RedfenderPlays]

What's the point though of separating them when Arrow specifically killed off Dead Shot because of Suicide Squad? They aren't allowed to use characters like Batman and Superman. Warner Brothers is still holding back the tv shows. Supergirl can't have Superman on it, but they going to come up with excuses of why he isn't there even though he should be. I think either way it holds back the creativity of the creators.

[@farakhhanif]

Even though the DC cinematic universe and TV universe are separated, they still do not have creative freedom. DC is still telling writers and producers of the TV shows that they are not allowed to use certain characters on TV.

[@TheMan-so9do]

like the joker(gotham) and superman(Supergirl) because they don't want us to have a choice on which version of the character is better. true even in separate universes there is are still limits to there creative freedom.

[@TheCell111]

+farakhhanif The upcoming dc show krypton will not be separated from the dc movies.They will be connected,but that's only one we know of so far.Look it up.List of dc tv shows.

[@farakhhanif]

+TheCell111 but that show takes place 1000 years before the end of Krypton, so it might as well be separated, because no chance of the show and the movies crossing over.

[@rainabby3864]

Agents of SHIELD worked for me John. I'll even call it a masterpiece.

[@locomax8832]

Gideon Malick just appeared in AoS. He's from the first Avengers. They just connected tv and film more than ever.

[@YourMarvelFan]

But Kevin Feige said that the movies are gonna start referencing the shows soon....and I've rarely heard Feige ever lie about anything.

[@bleachdrinkingdoltsdotards5680]

Coulson was in Thor 1 and Iron Man 1. It's one universe, it's the same universe.

[@MWhaleK]

+Manuel Sanchez Exactly and that is why AoS was/is so tied into the Movie-verse as opposed to DareDevil who is a low power street level hero/Lawyer who has little to no reason to interact with MCU characters/events.

[@bajansamurai]

+MWhaleK It is still all one universe; it has nothing to do with Daredevil's level of operation. He's just a starting hero with no reason to interact with them (yet). Not everything that happens in NY has to draw the attention of others. As viewers seeing all the ins and outs we imagine all the other heroes being aware other events are unfolding but it isn't meant to be the case. In the real world level: ABC had a plan worked out with Marvel to take the show a particular way, and Marvel's deal with Netflix was to keep it more self contained for now and see what the possibilities turn into. It's all the same Marvel universe, it's just that Coulson, by his ties to SHIELD, is more hyper aware of the Avengers and approaching issues that have global impact. Hell's Kitchen events can be assumed to not have made it onto his radar and if so, just as nothing more than crime disputes (for now).

[@KevinCarney91]

+Captain Spider-Man He lied when he said that they were planning the Marvel One-Shot All Hail the King the entire time. Any idiot could tell you that's bullshit and that All Hail the King was something they came up with when the fans weren't as accepting of the Mandarin twist as they had hoped.

[@rainabby3864]

+Kevin Carney You're wrong. All Hail the King was always part of the story but they used it for the One-Shot because Shane Black wanted to tell his modern version of The Mandarin for Iron Man 3 with only one twist.

[@Ren_Davis0531]

"I hate the prequels more than anybody else on the planet."- John Campea. I think Simon Pegg could give you a run for your money.

[@TheGeorgeD13]

+Ren Davis Well... at this point, I think it's easy for me to say that I love the prequels more than anybody else on the planet.

[@Ren_Davis0531]

George Daugherty You might actually be right about that,

[@TheGeorgeD13]

Ren Davis Yeah, I mean, I get why some people don't like it, but I find it a lot of fun. Certainly not the best movies out there, but they're fun and that's really all that matters to me. Plus, a badass Yoda is so fun to watch. And he's so cute! :P

[@Ren_Davis0531]

George Daugherty I understand where you're coming from. The Dark Side can be very enticing.

[@willa903]

In that case, Agents of SHIELD is also a masterpiece.

[@cliff5003]

+WA ikr!

[@ZandeKongo]

I swear people need to stop with this nonsense of joining the DCEU and DCTV. Amell is not a good enough actor to be in the movies, same goes for all those in the CW universe. I don't wanna see the monstrosity of Olicity tainting things I've wanted 20 years for.

[@redqueen6802]

+TheoKabala89 My thoughts exactly! They are great TV actors, but thet just wouldn't fit into a movie.

[@sm4carnageihope]

+TheoKabala89 I like Amell and Gusitn, but as TV actors. I agree, fuck Olicity.

[@nkm11tbm]

I think Grant Gustin is starting to show some real acting chops

[@kevonbray8002]

+Neel Moudgil Gustin is the weakest actor on the show!

[@kevonbray8002]

Jesse L. Martin is the best, and Gustin is by far the weakest!

[@jvtoon]

I don't see a problem with how Marvel is tying everything together in a cohesive universe. Show runners still have enough leeway to produce their own vision, who cares if they have to mention a tiny bit of whatever from the flims once in a while. Mentioning Thors name never hurt the show or the audience for that matter. Also it was nice to see just how big the repercussions from Winter Soldier were by showing it on Agents Of Shield and the severity of those events. The films are awesome, the shows are awesome. They're both simply awesome!

[@kyletheman09]

John I think you forget that in Daredevil, the kingpin's main character motivation is to capitalize on the destruction of new york. He, literally, is trying to rebuild the parts of the city that were destroyed to have some sort of stake or power over people. So to say that show completely ignores the movies is pretty ignorant considering how the villain of the show is using the events and consequences of the Avengers as his motivation in the story. Furthermore the show acknowledges this throughout its run. Daredevil Doesn't ignore the movies like you say, rather it ties in both the films and the show in a clever way that's not overt like in Agents of shield. Just some of my thoughts man. I watch all your shows and appreciate the hard work you put in. Keep up the great work!

[@jadedragon216]

Yea, I'm going to have say Campea is wrong on two big points when it comes to the movies and TV shows being connected or not. 1. All because they are not in the same universe does not mean that the creators won't get interference from the movies. Arrow is the biggest example. Because that Suicide Squad movie exists, Harley Quinn was taken off the table, Deadshot had to be killed off, and the Suicide Squad supposedly can't be used anymore in the show. That's some annoying restrictions. Despite all the teasing, Green Lantern has been hinted to be taken off the table for the show as well because of movie plans. Who knows what restrictions may be forced on Flash once the movie is further in development? 2. What exactly do you want from an interconnected movie and TV universe? Isn't Daredevil the perfect example of how it can work? Each property, movie or TV needs to be able to stand on its own. Constantly referencing another property makes it secondary, or supplemental to the original. I think the reason that people like the shared universe is that it leaves the door open in the future for these characters to all come together. It may never happen, but the door is open.

[@abdulrahmanagha4555]

What is the point of having a connected universe, tv shows can't handle the budget and talent that big movies have.

[@jadedragon216]

Abdulrahman Agha To tell different stories under the same backdrop. Nowadays TV can draw on tremendous talent, and it's not the size of your budget but what you can do with it. Game of Thrones is a good example. If you want a true comparison, look at Daredevil the series and the movie. The tv series had a very small budget with not very well known actors while the movie had an blockbuster budget and matinee stars. Most would agree that the TV series was of higher quality both in terms of visual and acting.

[@johnnietorch1598]

I disagree with John on this and I'll tell you why: DCEU is STILL tying the hands of the DCTV. You CANNOT use the same character on DCTV that DCEU has decided to use. Hence, Deadshot was killed off Arrow, Deathstroke has pretty much been confirmed "not available" in the future, Jerome was killed off as not to rival Leto's upcoming Joker in SS,etc. If they are so dead set on keeping the universes separate, then at least allow a DCTV version of Superman to appear on Supergirl, Harley Quinn to appear on Arrow,etc!

[@TheNamekianClown]

Gotta love the backpedaling on AoS's references after all the complaining, yet still getting it wrong. "They do it less now, but in the first 2 seasons..." No. It was the first 2 episodes, period. And then saying Daredevil wasn't connected at all, then backpedaling mentioning the newspaper clippings, but still saying it was only that and nothing major. Apparently he missed that the whole reason Hell's Kitchen is in poor condition, and the repair of it is how Fisk came to power is because of the events of Avengers.

[@oscarnunez7801]

The new AoS season is pretty amazing, huge improvement

[@matthewhellmers225]

I get that they want the Marvel TV shows to stand on their own. I understand why they didn't want Iron Man flying around in the background during agents of shield because it could have cheapened the movies, but I think at this point we are kind of past that. I think it would be an awesome treat to the fans that have stuck with Agents of Shield to have an episode with Chris Evans or even Anthony Mackie.

[@P226nut]

That mustache makes you look the embarrassing uncle you described in the Star Wars prequel question lol

[@ramongarza4991]

+John Campea The battle of new york and the aftermath of that was a plot device in Daredevil. It's how the Kingpin rose to power!

[@matchesmalone2625]

I'm thinking about high school where some of my teachers would screen movies for the class. I've seen classics now that I remember. for the first time I saw 12 angry men, saving private ryan, to kill a mockingbird, gangs of new York and the original Halloween in my classes. got to thank my teachers for putting me on at an early age

[@mufasa37]

AOS got really good after Cap 2 Winter Solider. The name dropping on Season 1 never bothered me cause I expected that since it's a shared universe. If ppl can't get over something as insufficient as that then your missing out on a solid Marvel TV show oh well. can't wait for new Agent Carter!

[@frankwil21]

There are pros and cons to everything. Peep how Arrow showed Harley but ultimately couldn't dive into her. Or how Deadshot was killed because of the suicide squad movie, or how booster gold and blue beetle were scrapped on CW because of the movies. I'm sure other ideas have been scrapped as well.

[@matt321r]

I love that mailbag now contains questions about tv shows!

[@redqueen6802]

Ok, here's what I think about the whole separate universes thing: in principle, I like DC's approach. However, they are making some mistakes. As many people pointed out, they don't really have total creative freedom. They can't use all the characters they want. If the universes are separate, why can't they have their own version of Blue Beetle, as they wanted to? Why not have their own Justice League? Another thing that worries me is Supergirl. The show keeps referencing Superman, but they never show him. Fans understand that these are two separate universes, but casual viewers (who, let's face it, are the big majority) might think that it's in the same universe as Man of Steel. And then there's that Krypton tv show. From what we've heard so far, it will be connected to the DCEU (that name makes no sense, but that is another story). So, some shows are connected to the movies and others aren't. Again, that might be confusing for casual viewers. Also, the shows aren't all connected to each other. Which is fine for Gotham, but Supergirl? Why is it not connected? Would it be that hard for them to at least reference "that guy in Central City"? Or for The Flash to reference "that girl who can fly"? If WB wants to keep the movies and tv shows separate (and, again, I agree to it in principle), then they should be consistent. Let writers use the characters they want. Don't mention Superman all the time in Supergirl (or at least show him, so that casual viewers can see that it's not the same guy from the movies). Keep all the shows separate from the movies. And connect them all (except Gotham) to each other. It's the lack of consistency that is starting to worry me. This being said, I am insanely excited for the upcoming DC movies. Bring them on. Just make the separation clear.

[@QLCHerald]

I get thinking Man of steel was a decent movie... But thinking it was a "Masterpiece"... Thats a bit of a stretch John.

[@YourMarvelFan]

his opinion bro

[@QLCHerald]

+Captain Spider-Man Yh I know that, but its also my opinion that thinking Man of Steel (IMO) a horrible movie, decent at best, believed to be (by John) a masterpiece, is a bit ridiculous. Calling Man of Steel a masterpiece brings it to the same level of movie like Pulp Fiction or the Godfather, Which ( Man of Steel) simply isn't.

[@damian8166]

That's his opinion he thinks Man of Steel is great while you find it decent or okay that's your opinion.

[@QLCHerald]

+Damian Batista Yes Ive already stated that I know that you simpleton.

[@redqueen6802]

+QLCHerald He has his opinion. You have yours. One is as valid as the other.

[@marikotrue3488]

Best analysis of Star Wars prequels ever, "they're family (aka canon)". Thank you John Campea, I can finally accept these 3 movies and move on. Besides December 17 will be here soon .

[@DiarraHarris]

The only issue with remaking a classic is if the remake is good people tend not to go back to the original and if it's bad they still won't go back to the original. There are exceptions but I don't think "To Kill A Mockingbird" is on that list. Unless your doing it for school or if you care about the history of movies people tend to stick with movies that occurred during their lifetime and "To Kill A Mockingbird" falls outside of that for the younger generation.

[@zizusami1498]

the only reason why I don't want Disney to reboot the Star wars prequels is because og Ewan Mcgregor (Obi Wan Kenobi). I honestly think that Ewan Mcgregor was better than Alec Ginnes please don't hate just my opinion, but if you agree like

[@waldosax]

John, you seem like you need someone to give you a hug every time you get off a plane.

[@cjconcannon8713]

About rebooting the Star Wars prequels... When Disney obtained the rights to Star Wars by buying Lucasfilm, they came out a little later and gave a list of books, TV shows, movies, etc. they considered canon and pushed everything they didn't consider to be canon into its own category. I believe they also said that separating canon from everything else didn't necessarily mean that nothing from the "other" list could never become canon, only that, as of now, there's canon and there's "Legends". Am I remembering that correctly? If that is the case, and they wanted the flexibility to reboot the prequels at some point, couldn't they have put those prequels on the "other" list and just taken elements of those prequels that they wanted to make canon as part of a rebooted prequel trilogy?

[@alpha4IV]

I check in with collider a lot, but I think John's hate for crossover universes of TV and Movies is blinding him to the fact that even Feige has said that the movies will and must reference the tv shows soon, especially if they continue at the quality of Daredevil. A quote that has been mentioned on movie talk plenty of times but some how John keeps on forgetting or downplaying.

[@tahashahab9223]

Yeah John tell that to the writers of Arrow who wanted DeadShot and Harley Quinn on the show.

[@michaellamarsimeon9373]

I get what you're saying John about the separation of the movies and the tv, however you're missing one keep point in many ways DCTV STILL can't fully do what they want because of the movies. For example, the writers of "Arrow" wanted to go further with the Suicide Squad and making them a bigger part of the show. They had to axe that because now Suicide Squad is becoming a movie. They are not allowed to have Batman be in the television universe, which is why we got Arrow in the first place and even Gotham. I'm pretty sure there are a bunch of other restrictions placed upon them as well. So sure the separation might allow for a little more creative freedom, but in many ways their hands are still tied.

[@KickItToTheKing]

John Campea fails to understand that Kevin Feige HAS STATED that the movies will reference the TV Shows, the question is when? I still believe that with Daredevil, Kingpin, and Luke Cage in New York by 2017, at least 1 of the 3 characters is going to show up in Marvel's Spider-Man because it makes the most sense and it's not a stretch. These Netflix actors are also contracted to appear in MOVIES as well. I don't know why Campea still utters that Marvel Movies and TV Shows are splitting when he also defends that the Inhumans movie isn't canceled and that he thinks Daredevil is a really good show but now calls Marvel TV a failure. #Hypocrite

[@cgmshow1871]

I still don't get the big deal about marvels connected universe I think it's one of the coolest things about the mcu it feels like a huge new world and didn't they say the movies will start referencing the tv shows more and more

[@Cullenprime]

John you make it sound like they mentioned movie events and characters in every episode of Shield and that's just true.

[@84C4]

not constantly referencing every mcu character doesnt mean daredevil isnt strongly based on the mcu. the alien attack is the whole reason devils kitchen is the way it is, its the trigger for the whole season: the rebuilding of hells kitchen. hell, they even mention its the reason they got cheap rent. without the attack daredevil would be fighting hipsters for overpricing lattes

[@Evil_Peter]

I disagree with John as I don't think Daredevil changed much due to Agents of SHIELD. The simple reason is that there's absolutely no reason for Daredevil to connect to the Avengers at this stage of his story. He's one man, with fairly low level superpowers, running a tiny law firm, and he's directly tied to the events in a limited part of New York. Why would they ever have considered writing in direct tie ins with the global, even cosmic in Thor's case, Avengers? He's doing nothing that would make them take notice of him, and he has no reason to seek them out. In fact referencing the Avengers just makes it all that more apparent how small and intimate Daredevil's struggle with Kingpin is. That notion that the show changed due to AoS makes no sense. The Netflix shows are street level and were always intended to be, at least until an eventual team up with the Defenders. The Netflix actors does seem to get movie appearances put in their contracts and I hope that Marvel will use that some day, but that's of course far from a done deal.

[@jordanthewizard]

You think they're going to suddenly decided the Marvel movies and tv shows aren't the same universe anymore? You can't be serious.

[@ShaneStLaurent]

agents of shield season 2 was actually really good

[@scarface44243213]

Masterpieces don't have thin characters and dialogue

[@bojax]

I kinda felt like Tom Hanks played an Atticus Finch type character in Bridge of Spies. He plays a character that tries to do the right thing in the face of everyone telling him he's wrong.

[@Curseco]

I disagree with the Marvel TV and Movie connection being a "failure". I think it's amazing how in Daredevil these men are fighting over a block in New York, MEANWHILE on the other side of the galaxy, an intergalactic evil tyrant is planning to invade Earth. I really like that they are connected.

[@billpierce4009]

I gotta disagree with u again John Campea. I love how Agents of SHIELD intertwines with the movies. It deserves to do that. Coulson was in the movies. And SHIELD was in the movies too. It makes sense. Daredevil doesn't make as many references cuz it isn't as entwined with the movies. Just my 2 cents.

[@Jim-Halp1234]

It isn't sat entwined lol ? The whole reason for every villain trying to take over Hell's Kitchen is because of the events in avengers.

[@rainabby3864]

To kill a Mockingbird totally reminds me of X-Men! It was the first time comics dealt with bigotry and prejudice.

[@thegodmachine]

It sounds like John and Collider have big plans for movie talk!

[@1122scape]

I'm actually enjoying Shield a little more than the Flash so far this season even though last season's Flash is one of the most enjoyable single seasons on any show I've ever seen. Needless to say Tuesdays are my favorite TV day. John I think that if Agents of Shield hasn't convinced you at this point I don't think that it will.

[@AiggEbe]

To Kill a Mockingbird is a freaking brilliant film, EASILY in my top 10 of all time. I personally wouldn't hate a remake if done properly and with respect, the topics being discussed in it are still relevant today. But that remake would have to be a damn good movie.

[@shaneocon21]

Keep counting John, in reference to Star Wars sequels :D Nice follow up, I'm rewatching Heroes and the episode with Ike Perlmutter and Kevin Feige was the one I just finished.

[@YourMarvelFan]

To me the prequels, having just watched all the Star Wars movies for the 1st time, aren't even bad. In fact I think they're pretty enjoyable.

[@SuperSaiyanRoss]

Mostly it was the hardcore Star Wars fans who called them bad I thought they were ok movies too

[@zizusami1498]

+Captain Spider-Man yea I get what you mean I like them to it's just if you would have seen 4,5 and 6 first you would think that Anikin ruins Darth Vader.

[@Sgonzo15]

Episode 3 is the only one that's watchable

[@YourMarvelFan]

+digoto1 I think they all are in my opinion

[@Yic17Studio]

+Captain Spider-Man Yeah I don't think they're that bad either. I think the hardcore Star Wars fans just felt disappointed because they have too high of an expectation from the original trilogy and the prequels don't deliver the same "Star Wars feel". Just like in video games, Final Fantasy 13 is not a horrible game by itself, but since I am a hardcore Final Fantasy fan from the old days and FF13 doesn't capture the same feeling so to me it is the absolute worst in the series. Not that it's a bad game, but that it does not resemble the Final Fantasy I love. I think that's what's going on with Star Wars fans.

[@redqueen6802]

A question from a fellow portuguese! Nice!

[@Dontuween]

Yes, Atticus Finch was number one on AFI's list of top heroes. Indiana Jones #2, James Bond #3, Rick Blaine #4 and Will Kane #5.

[@619ck154]

On the whole Shared Universe vs Separate Universe method, they both work for there own reasons and I genuinely believe that it depends on the material you have to work with whether or not the method is best. I think it will work for Marvel because there are certain heroes who work great as side characters in a movie but may never actually work in there own movie however still need to be established so a TV series works for them, everyone knows pretty much that every single hero will be in Infinity War at some point, however a character like Daredevil could always appear in a Spiderman Movie

[@ChironBroderick]

if they were to make Assault on Arkham the basis of Suicide Squad, the only thing i would really care to see the most is how close Deadshot and Harley Quinn are gonna be. I like what Smith and Robbie did in Focus.

[@pescigotpepsi129]

Best CB Shows (opinions) 1. SHIELD 2. Arrow 3. Supergirl 4. Flash All the rest I either hate (Gotham), haven't aired yet or finished it's season.

[@thejenmath]

Thanks for answering my question about the Man from UNCLE, John. I always forget some of box office stays with the theaters, and hearing that makes me really sad we won't likely see a sequel. I understand why, but I think they're wasting a great team.

[@ZachsMind]

12:35 Holy crap! That is some compelling evidence. I was thinking Zoom is Barry from E2 but those eyes do look a lot like John Wesley Shipp. That's way creepy.

[@tjjordan4207]

Love how John compares the prequels to an disgraced family member. LOL!!!

[@MadsFeierskov]

It's really strange how John keeps criticising Agents of Shield for there references but gives Supergirl a pass or are least doesn't mention it. I've never heard so many references to "your cousin", " Superman" etc. in so few minutes as on that show. It's far worse than Shield ever was.

[@redqueen6802]

+Mads Feierskov You make a good point, actually. Casual viewers might think that it's connected to MoS, when it really isn't. It becomes a little confusing.

[@jordanthewizard]

But WB/DC is still tying the hands creativly anyway, like killing off Deadshot on Arrow, and originally Harley Quinn was supposed to have a larger role on Arrow but that was cancelled and she was replaced by Cupid, or Supergirl not being allowed to actually show Superman.

[@SaidGenious]

There's a program that allows you to tint your computer monitors for those that can't afford the glasses. It worked well for me.

[@Cullenprime]

Although seeing Ben as Batman on Arrow would be cool I still think having the universes separate is better.

[@MermDaddy]

i like the dark knight returns but i always thought the way he fights superman is pretty silly.

[@jpwrye41]

"Welcome to Collider Mail Bag featuring Bono"

[@halostumpy]

John, you do realize To Kill a Mockingbird was a book first. The book was the driving force of dealing with racial issues of its time. The book was controversial. The movie brilliantly followed suit, but it is the book that is still taught in schools. The book was the inception that created Atticus Finch.

[@menghao737]

The downside to not connecting the DCTV with the DCEU is you get fans that get pissed off that their Flash is not the movie Flash. It's fine if there aren't many people watching the show, but it gets a little rougher when there are six million people poopooing on Ezra Miller years before his debut as the cinematic Flash, while demanding that Grant Gustin be given the role. I think Grant is a great actor(that scene when The Flash was saying goodbye to his mother had me so verklempt, fuggedaboutit), and I also think that people are smart enough to understand and accept that Grant could play The Flash existing in a universe separate from the tv universe, the fact of the matter is that Ezra Miller already landed his role, and while Grant works for the show it doesn't mean he would be the right fit for the movie universe. Don't prejudge Ezra Miller years before Justice League and his own solo movie.

[@sm4carnageihope]

Wasn't John supposed to make a reaction video to the Warcraft trailer?

[@Frazful]

I absolutely loved Cloverfield, would definitely like to see a sequel.

[@sresner7]

Screen rant posted a vid today about movies that never were and referenced the George Miller DC movie. Sounded interesting. Also the Tim Burton/Nick Cage Superman movie would have been unintentionally hilarious.

[@ShaneStLaurent]

have you watched Schnepps documentary on the cancelled superman film?

[@crispcrispy]

I think the issue of Agents of Shield is that it was always intended as a side piece to the movies which is why they always mention the avengers because it is bound to the movies and dependent on them. Daredevil on the other hand was always meant to be a very independent story that happened to take place in the MCU. So I do believe shared tv and cinematic universes can work. Agents of Shield only shows that companion pieces to movies don't work.

[@crispcrispy]

And I still think DC has a better framework for their tv and movies, but I only believe that because it allows them to bring out their A list characters not the creative reasons as much.

[@ListerWalkthroughs]

Isnt hellskitchen the way it is because of the events in avengers assemble? It quite obviously shares the same universe.

[@eagc7]

+ListerWalkthroughs Yes, but what John means is that any references to the Avengers in the Netflix shows are less than Agents of SHIELD.

[@levischorpioen]

"Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. is now separating themselves from the rest of the MCU." Except for the fact that they've been building up to the Inhumans film for the past season and a half now. Except for the fact that we're getting conflicts between S.H.I.E.L.D., HYDRA 2.0 and the ATCU which are setting up both the Inhumans and Captain America: Civil War films heavily. We're exploring a completely new part of the universe (which some fans assume to be Ego the Living Planet) which can either tie into Guardians of the Galaxy 2, Avengers: Infinity War or, again, Inhumans. They're not distancing themselves from the universe, in fact, they're the glue that keeps the universe together. Without Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D., the MCU would be a bunch of films desperately trying to tie up loose ends and failing hilariously. Also, having Zack "good cinematography doesn't need good writing" Snyder helm 6 out of the 10 projects in the DCEU does NOT mean intelligent writing.

[@eagc7]

+Levi Everaerts but lets keep in mind with the Inhumans movie will have nothing to do with what happens in Agents of SHIELD.

[@levischorpioen]

eagc7 Says who? They're both in the MCU, they kinda have to. They could be legacy characters, or just keep the big players out of the MCU and save them for the film, slowly build up to them with lesser character in AoS. There are so many opportunities, and let's be real, AoS isn't going to last until that film's premiere anyway.

[@levischorpioen]

swanpride Since the events in the MCU pretty much happen in real-time, my prediction is this: They're using AoS to show the progression of the Inhumans, let them become a fully fleshed out race of superhumans and then let the film deal with the Royal Family. So yes, of course they'll set the whole thing up in a way that you don't need AoS to understand what the film is doing (after all, AoS dealt directly with the begin AND aftermath of both Thor: The Dark World and Captain America: The Winter Soldier and people who only watch the films understand perfectly what's going on), but it'll help and make the overall experience so much better.

[@yagopacheco2855]

Campea didn't talk about assault on arkham damn would love to hear his opinion on the DC animated movies, GL first flight, flashpoint, 2009 WW are fantastic in my opinion

[@ivor1977]

nice work. still keeping my fingers crossed that you will have a shot at answering my Vega Brothers question :-)

[@Blakebenji7]

What's up Campea! Are y'all going to be putting these mail bags back on the podcasts? Thanks.

[@TheFubbick]

Saying that The Flash is a good show because it isn't tied in to the DC movie universe is stupid as hell, John. DC has ONE movie out, MOS. How much of that could the Flash possibly reference or tie into?And having the movies and Tv take place in the same universe is not tying anyones hands. It's establishing rules and creating a continuity. And a good filmmaker/director/writer doesn't let that stop them. They work with it and expand it and creates something fun and great.Sometimes the best way to tell a story isn't to start with the question "what do we want these characters to learn?" Some times the best way to tell a story is to let the characters evolve from what has happened without having some larger plan thought out. Because that's exactly how life is; we don't get a story built up into arcs that wrap neatly together when we die. We get one random event after another which leads us to where we end up and learning a lesson along the way is not always the ultimate goal.

[@mycabbages3538]

I pretty much agree with John. DC should most definitely keep their tv and movie universe separate. I watch arrow. Meh. I love flash. But they don't need to tie the hands of the movies. I do like the marvel is all connected though.

[@DanielBrongers]

I have to disagree with John about that the connection of the Marvel movies and the tv series is a failure. Granted some of these references was a little much (and some of them even unnecassary), but personally they didn't bother me. Also don't forget; Coulson is actually an original character from the movies, so direct references from the latter is bound to happen one way or the other. And the only character from the movies who turned up in Agents of SHIELD so far is Sif. So this 'banging in the head' thing is a little far fetched in my opinion. On a side note: Daredevil (and the other Netflix shows) has no direct connection with the movies, because the respective characters of that show doesn't work for SHIELD and only operates in New York City, whereas the Agents of SHIELD are operating within the entire world. THAT is also why Daredevil didn't have so many references in his show compared to Agents of SHIELD. However, I am pretty sure that will change, once Avengers: Infinity War comes out in theaters... Either way, I think that the MCU (movies and tv) connection is great. And with two new potential shows coming out as well, it will only get better...

[@TheRealCSD6]

Kevin feige said its inevitable that the movies and shows will cross over but it's hard because of the timing of the shows

[@sebastianjasinski6269]

Didn't Feige say that movies and show will eventually crossover? He also said they will reference the show

[@MavenCree]

Um... the entire reason Kingpin and the other baddies were taking over Hell's Kitchen was because of the reconstruction efforts after what happened in The Avengers. If The Avengers battle didn't happen, the whole central plot of the movie wouldn't exist. If a shared universe ties your writer's hands... fire that writer and hire a better writer. (You mentioned Drew Godard. Do you think he would have the slightest issue tying the entire DCCU together? I'm thinking no.)

[@Kaste11]

1) I don't want those crappy soap opera, love triangled, bad directed, plotholed filled, bad acted tv shows to be a part of DCCU. 2) I do want new tv shows with serious direction and good talent, netflix or tv, to be conencted to the DCCU. For heros and characters that will never see the light of day in the movies, not anytime soon at least. 3) Campea when the tv shows reference the movies a lot: "They are crap, they depend on the movies, blah blah blah" Campea when the tv shows reference the movies just a little: "Well, I think they are getting seperated"... Yeah... No. They just learned their freakin lesson and they are focusing to do a great tv show. Plus, now the whole planet knows they co-exist with the movies, so they don't have to keep telling us again and again.

[@Carwyn.Morris]

No you can totally re-boot the prequels and discount the originals as canon and I don't think anyone would complain.

[@LoboMeiji]

To kill a Mockingbird remake is posible, just throw a "Tom Hanks+ Spielberg" or "Dicaprio+Scorcese" combo at it

[@lavellemcfarland]

Yeah we had to read To Kill a Mockingbird in school Jr. year and, we watched the movie in class as well.

[@thekingofbelize933]

If DC was really a separate universe as they constantly bang over our heads with. Then there truly wouldn't be a problem with having a TV version of Superman, Batman, GL and Aquaman. Stop the nonsense!

[@avengergm7690]

I agree that a tv show shouldn't be focusing on how they are connected to the films and shoving it down our throats like AOS S1 but I loved shared universes it just feels more like the comic books where your favourite characters can interact with each other Flash and Arrow are such amazing shows and the crossovers are done so well and Arrow had constatine which was so awesome, I would like more of that within the DC tv universe instead of so many different universes however I do believe the movies and tv for DC are best seperate as they have already established their own incredible universes

[@trevormadison3274]

Combining the TV and movie universes was a mistake and I'm glad Marvel Television is now deciding to carve more of their own path from Feige's Marvel Studios.

[@englandsensation]

I deny the existence of the Hobbit films. They do not belong in the same universe with LOTR in my mind.

[@susekami]

Haha I just had a thought, starwars prequels CAN actually be remade because of this : What is a movie if not the retelling of a story in video format? Soo, they can keep the story somewhat the same, but with better acting, better effects, less green/blue screens and maybe less Jar jar? Or atleast a better Jar Jar if they HAVE to include it.

[@ifivankawerentmydaughterid408]

The X-Men are the ''To kill a mockingbird'' of comicbooks! Stan Lee introduced social issues to comics!

[@nkm11tbm]

I wanna see David Fincher use his direction style with To Kill A Mockingbird

[@PaulADAigle]

I agree about the creative disconnect that DC has, but I disagree that Marvel has failed in their shared verse. They haven't flexed the possibilities much mostly due to costs of bring a movie actor to the TV shows, but the connection is an interesting benefit. BTW, there have been discussions of a possible future of Supergirl crossing with the other CW DC TV shows. You can't expect an immediate crossing, since Supergirl hasn't settled into her own pace yet.

[@booyaaseth05]

What is the point of having a shared universe in the MCU if they do not cross over! Daredevil and the defenders would be an amazing cameo on the big screen. I know John C and the C Crew hates how big the roster is getting but it deserves to be big.

[@cliff5003]

AoS has better character development and story telling. Flash and Arrow lost me on that a while back.

[@Blasian89]

You forgot that Constantine is shared as well lol

[@ranwolf76]

I still think that Henry Allan is really a de-powered Pollux from the CBS Flash series

[@Project862006]

the reason i dont think it is barry because john remember season 1 finale when barry went into the speed force he saw a glimse of himself from another earth where he is in prison

[@ericmschroeder4682]

I thought the producers of Supergirl said that the character could exist in the same universe. I didn't think they had confirmed either way.