Vasari Faction Guide | Sins of a Solar Empire 2

[@sedghammer]

02:42 - The Tosurak Raider unit really sets the Vasari apart. Early on, 20-30 of them split as a second fleet and raid the enemy infrastructure. If the enemy fleet comes to intercept, they're faster and can just disengage. They gain resources when they do damage to enemy infrastructure. So you can use this to pick off enemy research and infrastructure, then reinvest the gains back into YOUR army.

[@Niksaiznemts]

Do you have any idea how to counter that? As TEC seems so broken especially in smaller maps. Vasari just steamrolls everyone with corvetes and nothing can stop them

[@toddsilverwolfe]

Thanks for this! The Vasari are such a cool and under-rated faction to play, and it's sad hardly anyone talks about them. I've looked up guides and almosy every video is about TEC or the Advent, but almost nothing about the Vasari.

[@thorveim1174]

really dont get why the Vasaris seem to have less fans (thoguh I dont see people underselling how good they can be)

[@shawnmorris9175]

@@thorveim1174 they require more effort to learn they will get more popular the longer the game is out

[@thorveim1174]

@@shawnmorris9175 i mean, even in the players of the older game (thats been around for AGES) it seemed players gravitated more towards the advent and tec

[@TheDude50447]

@@thorveim1174 Against the AI its one thing but against another player both Vasari factions are very hard to play. In both games actually. In the first game their scouts could capture neutral extractors which was already a gamble based on the map. In the current game you have to be lucky with getting decent crystal income early on since your starting planet only gives metal. You dont have an easy way to get credits so buying crystal is not completely out but hardly an option. Your frigates and cruisers while generally more powerful individually are also more costly both in resources and fleet supply. Especially on smaller and medium sized maps in the first and second game you need to effectively harass your opponent early on in order to have a chance assuming equal skill. Especially tec will just steamroll any vasari player by the late early to early mid game. If you get into the late game Vasari is insanely strong and almost overpowered with their phase gates and stuff. Getting there against a decent opponent is the problem.

[@CelesteOnYoutube]

not so much a guide but a presentation of the faction...

[@khanch.6807]

Make more ships faster than the enemy can destroy them.

[@noodleman990]

How do I deal with strike craft en mass?

[@stalliontv8788]

@@noodleman990what faction do you main, usually the best way to counter them is strike craft of your own and PD defenses.

[@noodleman990]

@@stalliontv8788 I’m trying out Visari and came across a strong TEC world with dozens of carriers and hundreds of strike craft. At the resource cap I’m currently at I can’t seem to get enough pd going on to make an impact and if I focus fire down the carriers the rest of their armada wreck me. I’m used to just spamming carriers with TEC so I’m unfamiliar with how to counter it as Vasari.

[@thorveim1174]

@@stalliontv8788 well, for Vasari, strike craft isnt an answer sicne they only have bombers :p

[@KingOfMadCows]

One big advantage the Vasari have is that they can have 2500 max fleet supply instead of 2000. Combined with their mobility, they can make devastating all out assaults. They're very good at avoiding unfavorable engagements, and going past fortified planets to get to weakly defended planets. Vasari are weak against bombers so you should use their mobility to focus down enemy carriers as quickly as you can. Their phase missiles are very good against Advent since they can bypass shields and the Advent have the strongest shields. But the Advent carrier capital ship has an ability that basically negates missiles. So use your energy weapon ships to kill the Advent carrier capital ship and use missiles against everything else.

[@Kn1ves0x]

Not that big of an advantage against a TEC Conclave infested region supported by 4 other regions with the garrison Planet Item that each boast a 500 supply of ships on top of the 2000 limit making always have the advantage in numbers. 4x500 + 2000 = a nasty 4k score that can overwhealm pretty much anything. Of course this is in the best case scenario where the system you're attacking is backed by 4 other garrisons, still when I play TEC, in the endgame all my planets have garrisons. So any attacked system will be backed by all other connected systems with garrisons.

[@horstschlemmer9578]

@@Kn1ves0x True, but only on the defensive and with overall weaker ships. The advantage of the TEC is that they have a much easier time replacing all their ships, especially their capital ships.

[@kevinhowe543]

Then there's me that runs with 20 carriers as advent, hue hue hue

[@Derzull2468]

@@Kn1ves0x If your Vasari opponent left you alone for 10h too many, yeah, you're right, Tec might have an advantage in defense. But even then, he can relocate his fleet in two jumps, you can't.

[@Derzull2468]

@@kevinhowe543 Advents love phase missiles.

[@13deadghosts]

2:20 "Personal Defense Guns" :D Now I imagine a Jikara growing arms and dual wielding Glocks in space :P Did you mean the Point Defense Guns?

[@davidw101]

It certainly is "Point" defence , not personal defence, though either makes logical sense i guess

[@Monkchelle_Kongbama]

It's actually "pickle donger" and since missiles and strike craft are notoriously prudish, the more PD you have the less effective they will be

[@James-io7jl]

I’ve been playing a lot of this faction and are by far my favorite. Specially exodus faction. the Key points for them. Late game is your friend. Your max fleet is bigger than others. Your star base moves with you. So adding that to your fleet along with the resonance bonus and your winning any direct fight. Your titan is devastating and the strongest damage dealing titan. A smart blink and Maw attack will cripple an enemy fleet. You’re also insanely mobile with your phase gates. Also don’t forget your titan can create a temp phase gate which is insanely useful. Late game you also don’t need planets anymore. You can build everything on your ships, so start razing enemy planets with the core stripper and leaving before they get to you. If they try and capital rush you, they can’t because you can loose your capital planet and be fine. Your ships also can make more ships which makes it even more difficult for anybody to fight you.

[@bluu.0111]

Depends on the difficulty in my opinion. When I hit hard, mode I needed a core set of planets with good defenses with labs, resonance, and starbases with phase gates. The ship slots are just better off used for more armor, healing, antimatter, and damage increase and not infastructure. After I establish that core system, I just eat any planet I conquer to deny it to the enemy.

[@James-io7jl]

@@bluu.0111 yea for sure. I wasn’t advocating for blowing up your core system you developed. I was just saying that you don’t have to defend it anymore if you don’t want to. You can just go into enemy territory and start wrecking planets. Then build core strippers on your core world as well and blow them up as the enemy comes. They get nothing but slowly their resource planets go out one by one.

[@Tomekwinxs]

Vasari star base reminds me of a ball sack floating in space. Hence, I could never play this faction.

[@thorveim1174]

for the titan, its not the hardest hitter, the vasari alliance one (with its MASSIVE missile battery and frequent stun mixed with AoE damage) and the Ragnarov are big exemples that have it beat in that department. However, its the most mobile titan by FAR (even maybe one of the most mobile ships in the game) and it becomes harder to kill and hits harder the lower its health is (with PASSIVE splash damage to boot making frigate/corvette swarms unfit for more than wounding it, they wont be capable of finishing the job without something tanking for them), while oneshotting entire groups of cruisers with the Maw, with a preference for eating up carrier spam. It may not reallly be the best titan in any given situation, but its the best allrounder of the titans and the one that can really dictate the terms of the fights it gets into.

[@JAV1L15]

The Defensor's are the Vasari's fighters, you build corvettes to fill that role instead of building fighter strike craft

[@Niklaos]

Aren't they much easier to destroy and not that effective though? I've tried to use them late game but with very little success.

[@JAV1L15]

@@Niklaos You are correct yes, but that's because my comment is two months old. Defensors got nerfed hard. Now the best protection against fighter swarms is to just kill the enemy carriers.

[@someolfellow1094]

Something to note about the Vorastra titan is that its warp ability's damage also affects strikecraft and missiles So, at the start of a battle, when all the enemies strike craft are a massive clump, you can warp your titan onto them and wipe out HUNDREDS of strike craft in an instant with an ability with a very short cool down at level 3, while also putting it in range of the enemy's vanguard ships, which you can use the maw on to eliminate. Also, it's great for snagging those pesky backline ships. The Advent LOVE their little missle frigates and their carriers, so warping this bad boy over to them to use the Maw on them is a great way to eliminate a huge chunk of their firepower. The Maw will only destroy so much fleet power per use, increasing the cap as its leveled up, so its better used against swarms of smaller craft, or pulling a group of cruisers into your own lines. Also, if you manage to find an artifact that decreases ship ability cooldown, this thing becomes damn near impossible to kill due to how fast it can warp, and will eviscerate smaller ships while your capitals take on anything heavier. That and cutting down the Phase Gate Backline Express' cooldown by such a large amount means you can take homeworld after homeworld in just a few minutes. I love these guys.

[@HeyItsMax]

Late game you can move all 25 war/empire points to just 7 starbases, and capitals can host exotic refinary, freeing all your planet slots for resonators/culture/production/phasegate/resonance. Very powerful.

[@thorveim1174]

i like putting the refinery in the fortresses that have labs as well. Thats 3 slots, stil allows you to take the 3 armor upgrades and the 2 weapon upgrades for maxed rawq durability and firepower thats only missing the extra hangars.

[@XtraCrispe]

Need a capital module tier list next!

[@Matthew-cc4xt]

great to see this game getting a sequel.

[@-Kidzin]

A reminder that currently PD is not working properly that's why strike craft and missiles dominate without any possible counter from PD assets. Stuff like that should be disclosed when talking about something that's "good against strike craft". Fixed internally from what I know and hopefully next patch will include that.

[@thorveim1174]

for me, the biggest con of the faction is their starting state: while other factions start with some infrastructure and can pick any capital ship for free, the Vasaris start with nothing but 3 frigates (where the others have pre-made factories) and are forced into having the evacuator as their first capital, making their game start far more rigid and predictable (though staring with 2 of each exotic does help getting that second capital rolling out sooner if you really want it)... that and a ferrous planet is honestly meh as a capital planet type. also something worth mentioning with the Kortovas opressor and makes it even better as a mid/ladtegame unit to spam is that they come with a point defense gun (the only other direct combat cruiser that does that is the Vigilis, and it does ONLY that one job), which always helps a little against the usual missile spam. And in fact they seem tailor-made to fight off missile ships, with their good damage output against lower durability targets, missile defense and high durability For the Vulrak Penetrator, its tiny range, hight penetration and high toughness tells me those are meant to be sent against titans and ESPECIALLY fortresses. Ther are basically the non-capital to use to crack those high durability targets when kanraks dont cut it, and that you need something that doesnt care at all about AoE damage or overall taking a hit for thze Serevun, I think it shines most when trying to break through a chokepoint where the enemy is camping the phase lane exit. This kind of positioning means the Serevun will enter the system exactly where it wants to be, in the middle of the enemy fleet, and will debuff all of them making the ambush weaker. Also note that their detectin ability becomes useless in the lategame since you get the same detection they offer map-wide eventually For the Jarrastul, gravity warhead also prevents the enemy from initiating a phase jump, so its also a greattool to prevent a retreating enemy from escaping you as quickly. For the Carrier, feels their role as a healer is the best thign aout them: the armor boost has a very small cooldown, and can allow a fortress or titan to tank an entire fleet almost forever, whiel their other healign ability is perfect to support smaller ships. I personally never go without at least a pair of those (so they can armor rep eachother), and typically use 4 of them when money is no longer as much of an issue the Antorak Marauder CANNOT make itself invulnerable, however it can use this ability on either an ally or an enemy. on an enemy, you can use it as a disable to temporarily shut down an important enemy ship (great exemple would be an advent Raience battleship that taunts your fleet and has a buff allowing it to reflect the damage it takes, making it take no damage shuts down the combo), and on an ally, it becomes the vasari answer to getting focus-fired, especially to avoid huge missile volleys. Also their ult allows you to just say "nope" to a capital ship dying, meanign once they hit level 6 they becoem maybe THE most aggravating ship in your fleet for the enemy for the Vulkoras, it notably has one of the most devastating ultimate ablities of the game, able to melt ANY ship that shat its shields down in second. A single one at level 6 is a MAJOR threat to titans and fortresses and can secure capital ship kills with ease, 2 or more are an almost guaranteed death sentence since their damage is % of health based. for vasari exodus, going fully mobile is very effective, allowign you to go straight t the enemy capital with a deathball, withotu caring whan mght happen to your home. The only things that cant be made mobile are ressource extraction (though you can still earn some by killing enemies) and spreading culture.

[@9JStuart]

Thank you. This was more helpful then the video for me!

[@churchillogbonna9010]

Damn 😳 the vasari sound even scarier than before

[@0x0404]

The Marauder got hard nerfed from a logistics standpoint. It was a great capital to have in a late game fleet and use it's ult to let you jump in any new ships or jump out to one of your gates

[@EmpReb]

Combat wise with micro they fucken stupid broken. They are the counter to focus fire with phase out and ult just say. "Nope YOU NOT killing this thing"

[@jonjonsovich1420]

I haven't loved a game this much on release since SC2

[@fjshdf]

Agh, it's annoying how auto-cast doesn't work on the carrier's armor repair or the bombardment platform. I believe you neglected to mention that Phase Resonance is a limited duration buff applied after you jump into a system, the duration of which can be extended with items/research. It's not just a permanent passive buff. And PD is generally Point Defense, not personal defense. 6:58 The Overseer segment is... strange. It feels like a mistake that slipped through editing.

[@StrikeNoir105E]

AFAIK the autocast for those abilities are being fixed next update.

[@TheDude50447]

The Vasari Alliance isnt cooperating for prosperity. They cooperating for a final stand.

[@Tomekwinxs]

The classic Tosurak Raider spam in every multiplayer game I play.

[@proudpatriot3491]

Yeeess I’ve been waiting for this.

[@Pixel.Riderr]

Oh nice, I was just looking for this

[@Hansiwansi]

I try step by step to build an army out of the Biggest ships fully upgraded with weapons items! Unstopable! 5 Shipcarriers and you have with all the others 400-500 small Spacecrafts! Airsuperiority! I mean the other faction that looks futuristic!

[@adamflaherty9909]

You shouldn't build a shipyard first as Vasari. You need to build an imperial lab. There's several technologies in that tree that are T-1 that you need to grow your empire.

[@viecus]

Might want to check your chapter names. Got 'enclave' and 'primacy' for the last two ;)

[@XViper123]

Kanrak Assailants are literally OP right now. Although I think a patch is coming that will fix PD to interact with them better with enough of them, you can literally focus down any capital ship in the game, and nothing stands a chance.

[@thorveim1174]

its more a PD issue than a missile ship issue. The problem is that PD as it is now focus-fires on missiles way too hard, meaning no matter how many you build only a few missiles will get shot down out of entire volleys. Once they become a viable choice to blunt missile spam, missile ships will no longer be as dominant (and carriers will likely be what takes the spot)

[@markstewart563]

Hard disagree on the Ravastra Skirmisher. And I learned this from the AI because it did this to me- if you stack like 50-80 of those things, and they're very cheap and easy to mass produce so you can accomplish this really fast (and an insane AI will come at you like this with a horrifying quickness), they can melt capital ships, stations, and titans and no one has enough AOE to take them out before they've wrecked whatever is in front of them. And, they're pretty fast. So when enemies try to flee, they're basically doomed. I had to use a little quick diplomacy to buy myself time at the start, but I took down a full set of insane AI with these space piranhas.

[@markstewart563]

Great to see guides on Sins. Just wanna also throw out there something I figured out with this faction is ship items are extremely helpful, particularly the defense item nanite repair swarm. If you stack like 4 carriers with their nano repair abilities along with 6 or 7 other capitals equiped with nano swarms(and you gotta be proactive in replacing them when they're used up), your fleet becomes almost unkillable.

[@thorveim1174]

skirmishers are a great answer to early frigate spam. Rather beefy (especialy if the enemy doesnt focus-fire them with the focus the Vasaris have on in-combat regen, also allowing them to soak most damage over time AoEs well), good DPS (even beats kanraks against low durability targets for a good while as kanraks dont get any weapon upgrades until later), not as prone to overkilling as kanraks, and dirt cheap in crystal thats often the limiting factor of Vasari economy past the very early game. the real thing that phases them out later for me is kortovas opressors, but before you can afford to spam them they are a very good pick especially against missile spam that will grossly overkill them every volley, wasting a LOT of their damage. though disagree that they melt capital ships, they dont have the penetration to do more than tickle them unless you have an ABSURD number of them (at which point, kanraks would have done it way faster and likely for cheaper)

[@markstewart563]

@@thorveim1174 I could consider 50-80 of them as absurd lol. By late game I had them accompanied by 1 or 2 Devastators and they debuff armor so that might have contributed to the melting. Early on though I swear by the AI using like just 20 or so of them in a fleet with 1 or 2 caps and it was like all my stuff was made of paper.

[@-drey]

Thank you!

[@theplasmawolf]

I have a question about one of the upgrades for the capital ships. In the utility part it has an upgrade named the Resonance Amplifier, which apparently increases the *duration* of resonance effects. Are resonance effects limited in time? There is nothing that shows they won't be permanent...

[@floohhb5780]

i like the idea of this "economy through battle" playstyle but found myself having massive issues in strikecraft fights, especially against vasari. Do i just have to bring 10 corvettes per 1 aeria drones host/carrier? or just try to hit a good AOE from the excavator to wipe the strikecraft off?

[@SuperDantedmc]

Can you please explain how to construct a capital ship? I am used to there being two types of factories, and well. Nowhere to be found in orbital structures even after maxxing out research.

[@SuperDantedmc]

Never mind, It was "Fleet Beacon" so stupid.

[@matthewliffrig2544]

Thank you

[@EmpReb]

Say Vasari are the strangest. Meanwhile I stare at the Advent unity and psi systems and go "Fuck this shit I'm gonna be crazy world Cracking Aliens. I understand that shit at least."

[@Silrk246813]

Anti fighter issues with TEC. How do you counter a carrier fleet?

[@kentcori7620]

Very useful summary of the Vasari ships. Please, please slow down your speech pace. Even replaying some segments, your words are indecipherable. The tips from the commenters below are outstanding. Thanks to all of you!

[@XViper123]

You have forgotten to update the bookmarks from the TEC versions. (Particularly the factions, Enclave & Primacy).

[@greenerion]

PD stands for point defense, not personal defense FYI

[@mwip57]

Small gripe... PD is point defense not personal defense. Ashio is not a person

[@drooling_dragon]

❤❤❤

[@WhoTheLoL]

Errr... where's info on the Orkulus? You know, that one unique Starbase that can fly around and even jump between planets?

[@TheChaosNova]

thank you, there is a lack of good info on how to play vasari.

[@ninobecirevic7135]

What about the mobile station that can warp?

[@thorveim1174]

both subfactions get access to it in the late game, and its a great candidate for a mobile capital sicne your titan likely has more important things to equip... not much else to say about it

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

The faction guide is build missile spam and devastators. Congrats you win.

[@Deathelement53]

Then instantly get the entire fleet countered and destroyed by 3 carriers

[@failfist9308]

Not quite as good on the test patch

[@tranquilclaws8470]

Watch how Zergrusher plays the Vasari. He's one of the best players in the game and he doesn't do that.

[@trazyntheinfinite9895]

@@Deathelement53 3 carriers hardly have the dps for that.

[@Deathelement53]

@trazyntheinfinite9895 yeah but the bombers do they can stay near the edge and kill 10 of the missile cruisers before you get near and then jump away

[@cjnorgaard]

Your tags on this video for the subfactions are for the labelled with TEC factions...

[@happalula]

makes me feel like the advent special powers seriously being weak... tec get a far superior economy to shrug off losses and the vasari get a massive boost for fighting after a jump... the advent can spy on other planets and at best can heal a planets hp.... am i wrong?

[@Skenderbeuismyhero]

Point defense, not personal defense. Unless the ships are individual people or something lol

[@SourceOfViews]

It seems like you forgot to set the proper chapters. Pretty sure Vasari don't have trade, enclaves or primacy ^^

[@Paasy]

This video is sponsored by me is a chad move ngl

[@StrikeNoir105E]

This video missed a fact about Phase Resonance: you only get the bonuses from the Phase Resonance upon phase jumping into a gravity well, and then it's retained for several seconds afterwards. The duration of it can be extended with research such that you can retain them for minutes, but this does mean the Vasari are at their strongest upon first entering a gravity well, so they're not really the best when it comes to being a garrison force where you just let them lie on a planet waiting for enemies.

[@TheDAZ1001]

* Point Defence. Not personal xD

[@Soulindex]

7:00 ??? Redacted?

[@crym77]

*Cough* Its POINT defense. PD is Point Defense.

[@dynestis2875]

This isn't a guide at all, you only present an overview with a unit roster.

[@insanebe1]

fast forward and the vid is out of date following the patch lol missiles nerfed

[@screamingiraffe]

not a guide, just an intro into the faction. Try slowing down the speech a little, some of what you're saying is just coming across as gibberish. Quite a bit of the tools that the faction use were not discussed as well.