Colossal Color Showdown Ep. 8: Quinacridone Magenta Part 1 | Comparing 8 Brands

[@EveBolt]

I love the pinker versions of this color, it's the kind of loud and bright that I enjoy :) I think I'll have to keep note to check out the Holbein and Mission Gold versions :O

[@OtoKano]

Yes the Mission Gold's one is lovvveelllyyyy

[@paulzarganis]

I've been reading, searching and viewing comparisons all over the internet the last week and I honestly found one of the best PR122 reviews! Only thing I would add is a PR122 from Sennelier. Just to see them side by side! All in all an excellent review that helped me decide which one to buy. Many thanks!

[@fullapple]

Such a helpful series, thank you! I started off building my palette with DS, then tried WN after I discovered Handprint.com, but after doing a bit of my own "Colossal Color Showdown", I chose Holbein. The DS is a more "natural" magenta, being slightly duller, but still distinct from Quin Violet. The WN is bright with just a hint of texture. But the Holbein is so pure and bright, I just couldn't resist. I found QoR too difficult to work with, and it seems to lose saturation way too unpredictably. I also found a place in my palette for Quin Lilac, because it's just a stunning magenta.

[@OtoKano]

I know what you mean about the quin lilac Amy, it's also such a gorgeous color!

[@jaimeanderson9238]

Even after watching this I still love Holbein's the most. It's just so bright. I surprised myself when I picked them over Daniel Smith to put in my main palette.

[@OtoKano]

Glad you like the Holbein, it's really nice magenta.

[@StaceyHH]

The DS Quin Lilac is the PR122, and is much closer to what people expect a Q Magenta to be, if they're looking for a 3 color mixing set that is all DS, but it's not that different from DS Quin Rose.

[@OtoKano]

I agree, that is a much better primary magenta color. This series is about comparing colors by their names though, which is why this lovely color wasn't included in the episode.

[@boxapaint569]

I love SO many colours but there are only a few that make me smile when I'm using them and Quin magenta is definitely in that list. Thank you for the episode and giving me some more ideas to fill my Jackson's cart :)

[@OtoKano]

Hope you have a fun time shopping!

[@Dan.B.Artist]

I love how magenta varies so much by pigment and brand but it can be frustrating to find your fav! Ive just discovered Sennelier's Rose madder lake and that is so pink and juicy. I have the Schmincke regular magenta and its also a beautiful colour.

[@OtoKano]

ohhhhh yes that indeed is a gorgeous color. I think that's the light fast version?

[@Dan.B.Artist]

@@OtoKano yes their RML is made with PV19 im currently testing the lightfastness of it.

[@hannahthufvesson]

@@Dan.B.Artist What were your results in the lightfastness test? :)

[@InTheBlackBoxTV]

Thank you for another video, Oto! Correct me if I’m wrong, but doesn’t Mission Gold have a PR202 as well? I love quin magenta for mixing cool colours but use more quin rose recently because I think it’s a bit more versatile.

[@KimberlyCrick]

I've always thought of this color as staining in general, so I was surprised about how much more staining the Qor Magenta was. I love my Mission Gold version too.

[@OtoKano]

I know what you mean. I thought they would all be similarly staining too Kimberly.

[@katieakr]

My favorite Quin. magenta are the ones made with PR 122. I have the Holbein and Winsor & Newtons. They are both very nice. I would like to buy Rosa galleries PR 122 magenta. Kim Crick says it's her favorite. The Schmincke quinacridone magenta made with PR42 that is not as violent as the quinacridone magenta made with PR 202. I have not tried Schmincke PR122.

[@忽悠扑火的]

oh my god. Your video are all so helpful . Thant you tremendously. I have used a vpn to get through the censorship wall to access YTB because the pigments translation in my language is so confusing, then I found your video. Great great. Thank you

[@annettefournier9655]

Hi Oto. I have the QOR. I like it very much except it is the only one of their 12 colors I have that cracked in the pan after the first use. It didn't crack up completely dry to falling out of the pan but more like a lightning bolt pattern. Then I got the M Graham Quin rose which is warmer than the qor Quin magenta. I must admit, I use the Quin magenta more. Thanks again.😘

[@anam00090]

I have QOR as well and it cracked on me too. Out of all of the High Chroma set tubes, it is the only one with a crack, but it does not have that Winsor&Newton dry crack look, still rewets well. Maybe it's a pigment characteristic...

[@annettefournier9655]

@@anam00090 Yes, good to know it just wasn't mine. It does rewet just as well , I have no other trouble with It and like It very much. Also good to know W&N cracks up on someone besides me. I won't get anymore as It just is hard ,dried and cracks to pieces on me. Then is so hard to rewet. Of know people keep theirs in a stay wet pallet and this helps. I don't have room for one. I added vegetable glycerine and this still happened. 💜

[@anam00090]

@@annettefournier9655 Yeah, you are not alone :D Winsor & Newton's tube paints are not meant to be used dry, they have a different formulation for tubes vs. their pans, so I always knew they would behave differently, but their paint just shrinks terribly. Some of their hues are fine, but I have a few tubes and all of them crack sooner or later. I always forget about honey and glycerine when pouring. Will keep in mind ^_^

[@annettefournier9655]

@@anam00090 Thanks Ana. I didn't know that the tube paints were different from the pans. So I just went to using what I had straight from the tube but had trouble getting good strength and wasted a lot of paint. Thanks.

[@OtoKano]

That's really interesting. The QoR one didn't crack, but my apartment is quite humid anyway. Do you live in a dry area?

[@bossgoose177]

I definitely prefer the less purpley shades on this one - particularly the Holbein and Mission Gold. Look forward to seeing how they perform in the other tests! : )

[@OtoKano]

I agree, those two are great colors :D

[@rohatasleem2083]

Oto, Daniel smith does have another magenta color named Quinacridone Lilac PR122, this color is true magenta color do check it out

[@OtoKano]

Yes that is a lovely color. However, this series is about comparing colors by their names, which is why the lovely Quin Lilac wasn't included.

[@hannahthufvesson]

Hi Oto 👋 I know it's been a couple of years since you made this, and I'm just wondering if you have any idea if the W&N one was in a pan or in tube form? I know it's an enormous long shot, but thought I'd give it a go! Thank you for every single video you share with us, you rock! ☺️

[@everartokelli]

Da Vinci Quin Fuchsia PR202 is more comparable to the other Magentas, Perm Magenta looks much, much bluer than any of the paints you tested. And Sennelier's Helios Purple PR122 might be closer to the others than the Perm Magenta you were able to test. As usual, names and hues rarely match across brands :) As always, so interesting to see the comparisons!

[@OtoKano]

I agree with you everart, it's fascinating how color names and hues really don't match across the brands!

[@alejandromorales9516]

My favorite is Sennelier's ... which goes by the name of Helios Purple (I think Jackson's sells it as Quin Purple). Have not tried Daniel Smith's Quin Lilac but I also have the QoR which was my introduction to this pigment.

[@anam00090]

Love the comparison, thank you. Wonder how Sennelier does in mixes. I have QOR, as well as White Nights and they are very comparable. White Nights' one is called Quinacridone Rose though, it is PR 122 and behaves very much like QOR's (minus the flow). I have actually found that White Nights' Turquoise is also comparable to Daniel Smith's Phthalo Turquoise (hue-wise. pigments are different). If anyone cares for a cheaper alternative, this may be a good way to test the hue.

[@OtoKano]

That's great to know Ana. How interesting that the Turquoise pigments are different but the hue is pretty spot on!

[@celagail]

Thank you for the video, Oto! I find this comparison series very helpful! One thing I do want to mention. Though M. Graham doesn’t have a quinacridone magenta listed in their watercolor line, they do have a quinacridone violet (a PV19 that’s more violet). You explained in the video how quin. magenta can be made with PV19 as well. So I was wondering, could M. Graham’s quin. violet be their version of quin. magenta, just under a different name?

[@OtoKano]

It's most likely. However, this series is about comparing colors by their name, so that's why M. Graham's Quin Violet wasn't included.

[@LeeAngold]

The M. graham, like many Quinacridones Violet shades, is a more muted, darker colour than all the swatches here :)

[@celagail]

Dr. Oto Kano Sorry! I didn’t realize you were going by their names rather than pigment number. (I should have referred back to your first video. 🤦‍♀️) Thanks for clarifying!

[@celagail]

Lee Angold Thanks for the info!

[@OtoKano]

celagail, no problem at all, it was a long time ago that I mentioned it!

[@_nixxie_]

I use Schminke's Ruby Red (PV19) in place of Quin Magenta in my palette. It is less purple toned and is similar to W&N Permanent Rose. I may look into their PR122 as it looks closer to the brighter shades here

[@OtoKano]

I really like the Ruby Red by Schmincke too, it's such a lovely color.

[@NoName-lc3em]

I love both my mission gold permanent red and permanent rose so I wasn't surprised to see it has a nice version of quin magenta. Very interesting comparison!

[@OtoKano]

Wooo I am going to have to try their permanent rose, thank you for the tip!

[@ianjackson5834]

HAVE JUST REPLACED MY MY PERMINANT ALIZARON CRIMSON WITH JACKSONS QUIN. MAGENTA, WILL SEE HOW THAT GOES THANKS

[@OtoKano]

Really hope you like it Ian!

[@dowunda]

Mission and Holbein look the best IMO. DS is very dense, too dense for this kind of test. I wonder how it would turn out if it was a *little* more dilute. The glazing (dilute) shade of the QoR is an stunning shade.

[@geckonia]

So sad that DS color looks compared to the rest 😔 looking forward to seeing how it does in part 2 👍🏼

[@OtoKano]

I know what you mean, it's rather unexpected hue.

[@LCLand]

Can you do a pv19 comparison?

[@angiewright-artist8246]

Love love!! My favourite and very helpful!! Thank you Oto!! I'd rather have a magenta with yellow and blues in a set then reds lol more useful for how I paint and use color mixing! Love ya always, xo

[@OtoKano]

So glad you enjoyed this Angie!

[@MassimilianoDeliso]

I think PB29 is Ultramarine Blue not Phthalo Blue! 😉

[@OtoKano]

opppps yes, good spotting Massimiliano!

[@LeeAngold]

Oooooh Mission Gold’s version is BEAUTIFUL.

[@OtoKano]

I agree with you Lee! It's a stunner.

[@farmwife7944]

I have a question and I apologize because it isn't about this particular helpful video. I like to use some watercolor pastels. I understand that I can water down any color and get the washed out effect of pastel versions but in order to have consistent tints and for convenience I have bought a couple of what I perceive as pastels from Holbeins, such one if the pinks and lavender, and I also made up some pastel tints in pans by adding some Sennelier Chinese white to straight pigments. however I have read some artists declaring that the mixtures do not work as well as ready made pastel versions,that they will always look chalky and dense so I wonder if my perception of my mixes is off, and reflect personal bias since it is my own mix and I am new to painting, so who am I to question a teacher. I chose to use white watercolors and nit white gouache in effirts to create a but more transparency in my mixes. I use Sennelier Chinese white watercolor noted by Sennelier as semi transparent and good for mixing. I also use Daniel Smith titanium white for mixing for the same reason as they note it as transparent. Have you any thoughts on creating pastels with white vs. watering down pigments vs buying pastel watercolors when the artist wants a watercolor effect and not a heavy gouache effect? I did have the Prima Pastel Dreams but found the colors too pale for my needs, and they do not glaze well to try and darken them. Obviously this is not an issue when I mix my gouache paints as they are all opaque and I use artist brands of white to avoid chalkiness. Thanks for patiently reading my question and again, I apologize for going off topic but I value your opinion over other artists since you are professional and thorough in your teaching and comparison videos.

[@OtoKano]

No worries Farmwife! I always think it's nonsense to just go ONE IS RIGHT AND ALL OTHERS ARE WRONG! kind of thing. We are all looking for different things from watercolors and doing completely different things with them so I don't believe that one thing fits everyone. I also don't think someone could say A is better than B, when they do not know whether you're trying to get the effects of A or B in the first place. There's just no hard and fast rules about what is right and wrong, especially in art. I would always say that the technique or a way of doing something that works for what you are trying to achieve is the best choice. Don't worry about teachers that say your way is wrong, your way is right for you.

[@farmwife7944]

Dr. Oto Kano thank-you for your reply. I feel now that my decision to make up my own mixes is fine; my shaky newbie confidence level has been restored.

[@MadyMadison]

So cool! Can you do one of these on Opera Rose or Prussian Blue? Thanks!

[@OtoKano]

Opera rose is coming up in this series Mady!

[@MadyMadison]

Thank you!!

[@PaigeEscapes]

Oto, this is absolutely bizarre…. i was JUST looking at my Perm quin Magenta and was wondering how it compared to others!! It has happened several times with your video comparisons recently! . Im new to watercolours and your videos are so incredibly helpful! Thank you!!!!!!!!!! Edit- May i ask, in your eyes, which is the 'coolest' version of the pigment? I have the mission gold version

[@OtoKano]

So glad this video came at a good time for you!

[@PaigeEscapes]

Dr. Oto Kano they are incredibly helpful Oto. Thank you sooo incredibly much again. Also, I watched your newest video ( finding your style tips etc)- thank you so much for that video too! Such wonderful advice, and think I really needed to hear it. I really hope you feel better soon too. Sending you healing vibes and my best wishes 💙 oh yes... can’t wait to see your next brand colour comparison video too! Would love to see a comparison of Perylen Violets! Your D.S. showdown made me fall in love with the Perylen violet !! Now to decide which one!?!😂 Daniel Smith? Schminke? May I ask your thoughts?

[@zibbyzoo4379]

I love the W&N quin magenta (it's so light and fresh and luminous) but the Holbein quin magenta is gorgeous too!!! It's one of the few Holbein colors I don't have yet. I wouldn't even put permanent magenta (the PV19s anyway) in the category of quin magenta. I do love permanent magenta (I use W&N right now), but separate from quin magenta, if that makes sense. :) Thanks for this great series!

[@OtoKano]

That totally make sense Heidi, so glad you enjoyed it :D

[@Sadin15]

QoR's Quin. Magenta is my favorite. So intense! The only issue with QoR paints however is that they do not mix well with other paints for some reason.

[@OtoKano]

Woooo really? I've not tried mixing QoR with other brands, hmmmm might need to do a test!

[@Sadin15]

@@OtoKano I was painting something using cobalt teal (from qor high chroma set) and then layered schminke's helio turquoise on top and it behaved like I had added alcohol to paper. Even when mixed non-qor paints prior to applying to paper... The paint blooms and separates (this has been my experience and I'm certain with your extensive knowledge you can run better tests). I love your videos and appreciate them so much. Thank you for always taking out time to make detailed, well-researched videos. I hope you're having a fantastic Tuesday 😊

[@TsukabuNosoratori2]

I may be biased, but I love the Holbein version best. I started with the W&N one, but when I've used it up I'm getting Holbein next.

[@OtoKano]

You can be as biased as you want :D It's a good brand and I am biased towards it too ;)

[@lemonrose1254]

Honestly I see very very little difference in the hue of the PR122 and the mission gold version looks utterly beautiful and probably much more easy to control than the qor version. But the qor version’s flow would probably be super fun to paint with!

[@OtoKano]

I agree Poodle Lover, the Mission Gold one is goooooorrrgeous :D

[@MeowMeowKapow]

Quin magenta is so pretttyyyyyy! It's one of the ones that I use when I'm not supposed to use Quin Rose because lightfastness, lol.

[@OtoKano]

But Quin Rose is just as light fast? no?

[@MeowMeowKapow]

Yup, you’re completely correct. I meant to say opera rose, my not-so-shameful addiction. =>.

[@忽悠扑火的]

thank you

[@ChristinaTodd1970]

I only like the PR122 versions, myself. The only magenta I have is from QOR and it is A.M.A.Z.I.N.G!!! Also, I posted all the US prices for Magenta on Oto’s Patreon page under the COMMUNITY tab. I type and post from my phone and for some reason it’s way easier to type it out in that tab vs. under her post in the comments section. 🤔 Oto, if you have the capability, please feel free to copy it over so it’s in the correct post! XXOO, Christina

[@OtoKano]

Thank you so much for doing the research again Christina. I've put a copy of your post onto the right post on Patreon :D

[@HerradaJulio]

Thanks Oto.

[@OtoKano]

You're so welcome Julio. thanks for watching!

[@Shiruvan]

Van Gogh's Quin Rose is almost exactly the same to Holbein's Quin. Magenta. I thought Talens' artist brand Rembrandt would have Quin Rose that is like their student line that is Van Gogh, but Rembrandt's actually more like the common PV19 Quin Rose that is more pinkish

[@PaintinHiding]

really? may i ask... so i have the rembrandt quin rose PV19 and i didn't want to get the van gogh quin rose because i thought it would be worse. if the van gogh quin rose is as you say, i'll have to give it a try! :D

[@Shiruvan]

@@PaintinHiding VG's Quin Rose is slightly worse in terms of pigmentation(VG itself is already very good however), but it's closer to magenta hue is definitely a surprise when I realize the smaller 12+3 palette option makes really balanced set able to make very clean purple! realized it when I already bought the single Rembrandt tube, hahah

[@PaintinHiding]

​@@Shiruvan thanks! i have a really old VG 12 set and it doesn't come with a cool red that could mix clean purples, hence looking to try out more of their colours in tube form. :D

[@CeruleanCzarina]

Please do phthalo blue green and red shade as part of the colossal color showdown!

[@OtoKano]

I'll add them to the potential color list for the next series Jael!