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Batman Was Almost Canceled in the Silver Age

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The Silver Age of Comics gave DC Comics some of its most memorable characters: new versions of The Flash and Green Lantern proved enduring. But for Batman, they also inserted him into sci-fi stories every issue, meeting aliens, monsters, and giving Batman strange powers. In this episode, I argue that giving us Mummy Batman, Merman Batman, Baby Batman and more just fatigued the reader. They wanted a detective fighting criminals at night. The episode goes into many of the more bizarre stories Batman and Robin engaged in between 1957 and 1964, discusses the sagging sales numbers, and takes a close look at the people involved behind the scenes to figure out how this all happened. Because Batman was almost canceled due to its low sales. Creators and editors like Bill Finger, Sheldon Moldoff, Jack Schiff, Irwin Donenfeld, Julius Schwartz and Carmine Infantino all factor in.

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@leo0p630
@leo0p630 2 жыл бұрын
I always found it astonishing how the brave and the bold cartoon actually adapted the silver age Batman comics well and made it not bad
@lsgreger2645
@lsgreger2645 2 жыл бұрын
The final Episode where Ambush Bug tried to stop Bat Mite from getting the show canceled is still one of my favorite Batman episodes ever!
@xyzz8722
@xyzz8722 2 жыл бұрын
There comes a point where everything overstays its welcome and people become burned off the same type of content. The fact that they reinvented the character so many times it s astounsing
@jiabryant533
@jiabryant533 2 жыл бұрын
@@xyzz8722 imo that show made Jamie Blue Beetle super popular.
@jadenbryant9283
@jadenbryant9283 2 жыл бұрын
@@xyzz8722 ok ..
@Carlos-xz3vi
@Carlos-xz3vi 2 жыл бұрын
@@jiabryant533 *Jaime*
@BoyNamedSue4
@BoyNamedSue4 2 жыл бұрын
“He rode a giant robot cat” Because when you live in Gotham there’s no such thing as half measures.
@nottoofast
@nottoofast Жыл бұрын
No more half measures, Wayne.
@chrism70kc
@chrism70kc 2 жыл бұрын
You mentioned it very briefly, but I think that the comics code had a lot more of an effect on Batman than mentioned in this video. The crackdown on "crime" books and anything that seemed too adult (and therefore could "warp" young children's brains) completely changed the industry and scared publishers from doing anything even mildly controversial. A book like Batman where he almost always dealt with gun-toting gangsters and criminals must have been completey flipped upside down by the strict morality rules of the Comics Code. I'm sure that was one of the most important reasons that the book moved away from it's original themes, and then moved towards sci-fi because that was the hot trend of the space-age 60s.
@A_YouTube_Commenter
@A_YouTube_Commenter 2 жыл бұрын
Yes,I was expecting that as well. The code and Wertham made comics corny. Even vampires were phased out because of the time.
@maxhydekyle2425
@maxhydekyle2425 2 жыл бұрын
Crazy how we're still fighting the same fights they did back then. Now it's more focused on the gaming industry though. "Violent video games cause real world violence" is literally something Trump said 70 years after Wertham. We also still argue about books, movies, and games turning kids gay or trans. The only reason they didn't mention trans back then is because the vast majority of people didn't even know that was a thing.
@sim4344
@sim4344 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah, but if you pay attention to the timeline, that doesn't quite track. As mentioned, they added Robin only a year after Batman was created (1940) and the book started becoming less and less dark almost immediately. They toned it down so it would be more kid-friendly. They didn't have a hard time fitting in under the code by the time it came along 14 years later. You could still have gun toting bad guys, but crime couldn't be portrayed as glamorous or profitable. The discourse over Batman comics has gotten very weird over the past several years, mostly, I think, thanks to the "S-verse" DC movies. You see people who I'm pretty sure have no idea who Denny O'Neil is name-dropping Bill Finger. "Batman used to be a lot darker! Batman used to kill!" Yeah. Very briefly when he was first created. Finger apparently wasn't a fan of that and was happy to move away from it. It wasn't like Batman was really dark and brutal until the Comics Code was created, and then campy and silly until Frank MIller came along. I don't know why that narrative seems to be gaining traction.
@jeffzeiler346
@jeffzeiler346 Жыл бұрын
Yeah, the comics code broke Batman's back. He survived, but never bounced back until Frank Miller. And that was no real advantage - perverse, leftist and apologetic is not an improvement, just a variation. Give me a pair of .45's and a bat- DeSoto any day.
@palebloodgamer3456
@palebloodgamer3456 Жыл бұрын
​@@jeffzeiler346 id say modern/anomated batman is pretty much more than just bounced back
@thecinematicmind
@thecinematicmind 2 жыл бұрын
All respects to Bill Finger and no sympathy for Bob Kane.
@citizensguard3433
@citizensguard3433 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder if "Dick Sprang" is a pen name. Sounds like a funnier version of Ben Dover.
@calvinkatt662
@calvinkatt662 2 жыл бұрын
@@citizensguard3433 No, Richard W. Sprang was real.
@alexh4319
@alexh4319 2 жыл бұрын
F*** Bob Kane.
@A_YouTube_Commenter
@A_YouTube_Commenter 2 жыл бұрын
Bob Kane is one of the worst human beings in comics,if not THE worst.
@roymakescomics
@roymakescomics 2 жыл бұрын
@@A_KZbin_Commenter Stan Lee has entered the chat..
@collegerebel
@collegerebel 2 жыл бұрын
"...criminals dressed as gorillas... Don't ask about that part." Ok, the way you said that got a really good laugh out of me.😂
@rna151
@rna151 2 жыл бұрын
... but I want to! I really, *really* want to!
@architeuthis3476
@architeuthis3476 2 жыл бұрын
I'm guessing this was during the era thought they could sell more comics if they put apes on the cover. If yor not familiar with this trope, google: Strange Adventures #8 (1951)
@fakeshemp9599
@fakeshemp9599 2 жыл бұрын
He didn't want to kink shame lol
@caligulapontifex5759
@caligulapontifex5759 2 жыл бұрын
Neal Adams & Denny O’Neil saved Batman from the ashes of comic book history. They really don’t get enough credit for this.
@A_YouTube_Commenter
@A_YouTube_Commenter 2 жыл бұрын
Neal Adams was one of the first artists whose art looked realistically like life.
@caligulapontifex5759
@caligulapontifex5759 2 жыл бұрын
@@A_KZbin_Commenter 100% correct. His photo realistic art forever changed comic drawing.
@rodmoore1577
@rodmoore1577 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely! While I watched the TV show I started reading the book in the 70s. That formed my idea of what Batman was and after that I just couldn't watch the show because it was just too silly to me.
@speedracer1945
@speedracer1945 2 жыл бұрын
Your right since I was young enough to remember that it was around 1970 .
@Blarsfengard
@Blarsfengard 2 жыл бұрын
Adams saved few titles from Green Lantern to X-men...
@angryretailbanker5103
@angryretailbanker5103 2 жыл бұрын
Batman always was a product of his time. During his earliest years, he was a film noir crimefighter. During World War II, he was selling war bonds and fighting Nazis. During the 50s, he had a whole family that included a mother and father figure, a son and daughter figure, a dog, and a butler. And during the 60s, it was all crazy sci-fi. Obviously, I'm simplifying and generalizing this immensely, but the larger point still stands. Batman is America.
@starkiller6tothe9gaming81
@starkiller6tothe9gaming81 2 жыл бұрын
I thought superman was like another uncle sam
@angryretailbanker5103
@angryretailbanker5103 2 жыл бұрын
@@starkiller6tothe9gaming81 In his VERY early days (1938-39), Superman was pretty anti-establishment, for all intents and purposes. He was fighting corrupt politicians and corporate executives before he was fighting Nazis or Jimmy Olsen’s Father’s Day gifts. I remember an early story where Superman confronted an auto manufacturer who was selling cars with defective safety features, leading to fatal crashes. And when I say “confronted”, I mean burst into his office and pretty much threatened to murder him. World War II turned Superman into the smiling face of the American government, but all superheroes were doing that at the time. There was a comic where Robin told Batman that the President called the Teen Titans into action for unknown reasons, and Batman’s like “Never question Uncle Sam”. Batman and Superman were on the cover of every comic book at the time, selling war bonds and standing patriotically in front of an American flag flanked by US servicemen. The thing is that Superman stayed as this perfect sunny establishment figure while Batman.... had a few phases before he returned to his brooding shadow-dweller phase (the best phase). [My mistake. It wasn’t the Teen Titans that Robin was talking about. But it was him and some young superhero team he was on, at least for that issue. Don’t know why I remember it being the Teen Titans.]
@starkiller6tothe9gaming81
@starkiller6tothe9gaming81 2 жыл бұрын
@@angryretailbanker5103 I remember the real uncle Sam in DC comics was I think was a god of American dream or spirit or something, superman embodieds hope and something about America, communist superman is the REAL OPPOSITE OF SUPER MAN
@starkiller6tothe9gaming81
@starkiller6tothe9gaming81 2 жыл бұрын
@T1122 it drastically change our entire lives and existence HELL the entire world too!
@LiberalPeaceKeeper
@LiberalPeaceKeeper 6 ай бұрын
Don't forget in the 70s, Batman was portrayed as a proto Clint Eastwood or Charles Bronson, and the 80s and 90s, Batman went full dark and gritty, all thanks to Alan Moore, Frank Miller, Alan Grant and other creators at that time.
@leorblumenthal5239
@leorblumenthal5239 2 жыл бұрын
As goofy as those Silver Age Batman comics were, they were the source material for the TV show Batman: the Brave and the Bold. Batman: tBatB took these often ridiculous premises, like Bat-Mite or the Batman of Zurr En Arr, and made them entertaining. And it has the best Aquaman ever, John DiMaggio! Outrageous!
@JasonMAlexander
@JasonMAlexander 2 жыл бұрын
Of course, Grant Morrison LOVED this era, I believe.
@AAAAAAAA-ss6gn
@AAAAAAAA-ss6gn 2 жыл бұрын
"A gang of criminals that happened to dress like gorillas" Of course they are dressed up like gorillas, it wouldn't be DC if there wasn't at least one gorilla related character
@RamManNo1
@RamManNo1 2 жыл бұрын
Gorillas are scary af.
@crhu319
@crhu319 2 жыл бұрын
We need that Grodd movie. Like how about some Flash/Thanos interaction drops Gorilla City into Wakanda..
@crhu319
@crhu319 2 жыл бұрын
@@RamManNo1 they're smarter than you. They don't waste time on stupid weapons or porn or building houses. They just tough up and if you mess with them you find out.
@williamwatson4354
@williamwatson4354 2 жыл бұрын
It wouldn't be DC if it didn't have gorillas, cold based characters and speedsters.
@ianfinrir8724
@ianfinrir8724 10 ай бұрын
​@@williamwatson4354 Have they ever had a super intelligent gorilla speedster that used cryotechnology?
@thecinematicmind
@thecinematicmind 2 жыл бұрын
Ah the 50’s. What a hilarious approach to Batman.
@robvangessel3766
@robvangessel3766 2 жыл бұрын
I read about how comics fans in the 1960s bashed the camp rendering of Batman in the Adam West tv series, but it's hard to blame producer William Dozier for his approach and attitude toward the source when we review the Silver Age books at the time. It seems the show was way more "faithful" in its day than was given credit.
@kevindavis3234
@kevindavis3234 2 жыл бұрын
@@robvangessel3766 That show was more a more faithful adaptation than any screen adaptation that has been made since. Doesn't necessarily make it the best, but definitely the most faithful to the source material. I'll argue that til my last breath. 🤣
@robvangessel3766
@robvangessel3766 2 жыл бұрын
@@kevindavis3234 Well, the movies are mostly adapted from revisionists like Frank Miller (then, again, I guess it was Neal Adams who gave Batman his more dignified rebirth in the 1970s). For pure CLEVER laughs, however, nothing beats the best of the 60's show. The pilot episode exploits tunnel vision from the characters (notably, when Adam West enters a bar/nightclub and does the Batusi) much the way Jerry Zucker and Jim Abrahams did in their later Airplane and Naked Gun flicks.
@robvangessel3766
@robvangessel3766 2 жыл бұрын
@@kevindavis3234 kzbin.info/www/bejne/iKS8cmt9p5qBirs
@fnyourmom3064
@fnyourmom3064 2 жыл бұрын
9:18 I lost it at “Batman and Robin the Mummy Crime-Fighters!” (Thank you for going over the story on this one as it’s not normally covered)
@ericjohnson9623
@ericjohnson9623 2 жыл бұрын
Batman: The Brave and the Bold adapted this into 5 minute teaser where the Mummy Crime-Fighters fight (a legally couldn't be named) King Tut from the 60s show.
@johnminehan1148
@johnminehan1148 2 жыл бұрын
Julius Schwartz had no desire to take on the Batbooks, especially with the loss or Strange Adventures and Mystery in Space. In his first issue, he and John Broome (who Schwartz described as his "best friend, best writer and best man at my wedding") had Batman holding a gun on captured villains. Jack Schiff, who Schwartz exchanges books with, had done some really good detective and superhero stories just before this. Many assume this Science Fiction tone came to match the sales Mort Weisinger was getting on Superman.
@robertbeattie7057
@robertbeattie7057 11 ай бұрын
Agreed
@mokwella
@mokwella 2 жыл бұрын
I generally figured that the sci-fi turn for all comic books came as a result of the Sputnik panic of 1957, when the US government suddenly pushed for science education for children as a way of responding to the perceived giant leap in technical achievement of the Soviet Union. I assumed that comic books were actually not only part of this trend, but has somehow been asked by the government to join this Cold War effort. Of course, I have no data to back this up.
@blackcomicnerd3657
@blackcomicnerd3657 2 жыл бұрын
That makes a lot of sense actually.
@theleonpasta7336
@theleonpasta7336 2 жыл бұрын
I always figured that the sci-fi direction that a lot of media took around that time was just people following a trend but that's an interesting theory
@johnnyplunkett8532
@johnnyplunkett8532 Жыл бұрын
I think you nailed it. TV space shows for kids were huge till cowboys took over everything on TV. Culture always oversaturates trends. Adam West saved Batman and made it as big as the Beatles and James Bond for a bit.
@chriskuneman3310
@chriskuneman3310 2 жыл бұрын
Sci-fi was all the rave back in the 50's and 60's. In fact, I think the films during those times highly influenced the creative direction of Batman and other books. Much in the same way the Noir films influenced Batman in the 30's and 40's.
@MattMcIrvin
@MattMcIrvin 2 жыл бұрын
It was also a reaction to the Comics Code restrictions--they couldn't do lurid, violent stories or use a lot of adult crime-story tropes, but weird science-fiction concepts were OK.
@daviddalrymple2284
@daviddalrymple2284 2 жыл бұрын
Yeah. If you look at what Atlas/Marvel were doing in the late 50s and early 60s, it was heavy on anthology space monster stories. It's not surprising that Batman would follow the trend as well. What is surprising is that Batman kept on doing the space alien stories as late as 1964, when all Marvel's sci fi books had abruptly pivoted to super heroes.
@JoinMeInDeathBaby
@JoinMeInDeathBaby 2 жыл бұрын
There were no Noir films in the 30s.
@chriskuneman3310
@chriskuneman3310 2 жыл бұрын
@@JoinMeInDeathBaby do your research! Look up Noir Films. The Wikipedia has films listed from the 1920's to the 1950's.
@JoinMeInDeathBaby
@JoinMeInDeathBaby 2 жыл бұрын
@@chriskuneman3310 first film noir is Maltese falcon (1940). Film noir were wartime b-movies. Wiki is not an authority.
@johnminehan1148
@johnminehan1148 2 жыл бұрын
Schiff was a Science Fiction fan and professional, he had for example, wrote some of the Captain Future stories for standard Magazines with Ed Hamilton. He took over Mystery In Space and Strange Adventures from Schwartz. Jack Schiff is fondly remembered as the guy who put all the PSAs about tolerance into the books. On the other hand, he and Jack Kirby had a dispute over the Sky Masters newspaper stripe that resulted in Kirby being made "PNG" at DC from about 1960 . . . .
@TerrenceNowicki
@TerrenceNowicki 2 жыл бұрын
It's been decades since I last saw it, but I remember Batman: The Animated Series' treatment of Clayface being a very well-done and emotional tragedy, even by TAS' usual high standards. Same thing with their treatment of Mr. Freeze, for that matter.
@OverlyPositiveFanboy
@OverlyPositiveFanboy 2 жыл бұрын
Hell, the TAS version of Mr. Freeze was what created the modern version of the character.
@Groggle7141
@Groggle7141 2 ай бұрын
It was genius of them to combine the Golden and Silver age Clayfaces. Golden Age clayface was a good character, good motivations, emotional origin, but uninteresting powers. Silver age clayface had interesting powers, but a 2D character.
@queencancerous5332
@queencancerous5332 Ай бұрын
They got an Emmy for reinventing Mr. Freeze, very much earned honestly.
@robvangessel3766
@robvangessel3766 Жыл бұрын
Turns out the 60's camp series was VERY loyal to its Silver Age source.
@fedeisonline5626
@fedeisonline5626 2 жыл бұрын
robin scaring thugs with his “radiation” skin has to be the funniest shit i’ve ever seen
@NailBombed
@NailBombed 2 жыл бұрын
Robin - "Now I'm radioactive! That can't be good!"
@Sup_ERS_Tar
@Sup_ERS_Tar 2 жыл бұрын
I always admire how much effort and research you put into these videos; they're always so educational and entertaining.
@CelestialWoodway
@CelestialWoodway 2 жыл бұрын
I enjoy this channel more than all the channels obsessed with how rich they are going to get buying and flipping spec comics.
@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299
@mr.mammuthusafricanavus8299 2 жыл бұрын
Wouldn't expect anything less from Omega, still being a hero to this day ;p
@davidmendez5933
@davidmendez5933 2 жыл бұрын
@@CelestialWoodway i *HATE* spec comic people.
@bobbybrine6547
@bobbybrine6547 2 жыл бұрын
Bot comment
@TheAgingGamer
@TheAgingGamer 2 жыл бұрын
Just found out about your channel a few weeks ago and I’m absolutely amazed with your content. So much stuff I remember seeing from my childhood but never actually knew what it was. Thank you for doing your thing! 🤘🏼
@__Luke__
@__Luke__ 2 жыл бұрын
My cousin just told me about this channel and it's fantastic. Chris's work will ensure that all these details are not lost to antiquity but will live on for new generations of fans
@A_YouTube_Commenter
@A_YouTube_Commenter 2 жыл бұрын
Bob Kane is looking up at us from the afterlife with shame at his exposure.
@yoy5903
@yoy5903 2 жыл бұрын
Silver age batman was gold, without all that craziness batman wouldn't be the same today. Great video!
@johnbockelie3899
@johnbockelie3899 2 жыл бұрын
Batman in oUTEr sPACe !!!!.
@johnbockelie3899
@johnbockelie3899 2 жыл бұрын
" I'm only comfortable in a freezer., plenty of good food here." Mr.Freeze.
@johnbockelie3899
@johnbockelie3899 2 жыл бұрын
Bob Kane was a fake.
@bbbsharank4667
@bbbsharank4667 2 жыл бұрын
It wasnt it was really, really bad, even at the time everyone criticized it but now posers try to rewrite history because they think "quirky"=automatic good, only cringe-worthy poser zoomers who fake like things over them being safe and censored pretend otherwise
@josesarango3408
@josesarango3408 2 жыл бұрын
yoy5 I agree
@__Luke__
@__Luke__ 2 жыл бұрын
Chris, could you do a show on what was going on at DC during the first ten years or so of Marvel? It would be very interesting, because the rise of Marvel was based in part on doing everything differently from DC and not being shy about trashing DC in the process. When DC openly insisted that their way was better, did they really believe it? DC had been publishing self-contained little 13 page ditties with no real character development or continuity. Why did they believe that was better, or were they just putting on a good face to the predicament they found themselves in?
@michaellee4276
@michaellee4276 2 жыл бұрын
He touches on this a tiny bit in his video on Jim Shooter. As a 14-year-old in 1966, Jim Shooter is hired by DC by basically promising to copy Marvel's style. But your idea sounds very interesting. I picture DC at the time as being on cruise control with their brains turned off. But they are credited with starting the Silver Age, so they weren't completely out to lunch.
@__Luke__
@__Luke__ 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaellee4276 Well, they had a formula that sold comics, and their niche was probably different from Marvel's. Marvel was getting the young adults and older teens, whereas DC was still catering mainly to children, or so they thought. They were feisty about their way being better and even made some self-damning remarks about kids not being interested in the high brow stuff that Marvel was pitching. I wonder if they REALLY felt the ground shifting under them, but didn't have any way of dealing with it. Meanwhile, on the Marvel news page that appeared in every comic and on the letters pages, Stan was jabbing and mocking DC every which, putting them in a position where they couldn't exactly say "hey, you're right, we'll do it your way too."
@__Luke__
@__Luke__ 2 жыл бұрын
@@michaellee4276 DC eventually "grew up" a bit with their grittier Batman stories and the drug epic in GL/GA, but I think it was when Wolfman and Perez took over Teen Titans that DC had pretty much given up the bluster and confessed (not by word, but by action) that Marvel's way was better, and in fact, the only way to go, if they were to remain respectable and competitive.
@56postoffice
@56postoffice 2 жыл бұрын
@@__Luke__ That's what got me more onto Marvel than DC in the late 70s. I would have been 9 at the time. Even then I found DC patronising to kids.
@jimmy.r.minnelli
@jimmy.r.minnelli 2 жыл бұрын
@@56postoffice At one time, DC had some storytelling chops, with some of the better ones coming from their so-called "imaginary stories" (such as the original Super Sons), but by the time Marvel came into existence, most DC stories were just little pointless ditties, as Luke said. The villain was never stronger than the hero, and DC even said that it would make no sense for the villain to be stronger than the hero because the hero would never win. Meanwhile, at Marvel, the villain was always stronger than the hero, giving the reader a sense of real danger and thrill. Also, Marvel always seemed to move, to change, to do the unexpected, such as kill off pivotal characters, whereas DC always remained stagnant.
@chuckwatson1527
@chuckwatson1527 2 жыл бұрын
AT LAST YOU HAVE MENTIONED THE LEGION OF SUPER-HEROES! Loved this episode, can never get enough of silver age wackiness
@pepperpatty2446
@pepperpatty2446 2 жыл бұрын
The soundtrack on this episode was a total banger! Congrats Chris!
@QuicksilverSG
@QuicksilverSG 2 жыл бұрын
I was in 5th grade primary school in 1960 USA when I discovered Batman comic books. Me and my friends shared each others' comics and we took the sci-fi/monster/transformation plots seriously. I remember once explaining to my Mom that aliens aren't always green-skinned, which I no doubt learned from Batman and Superman's outer space adventures. It was The Space Age when US and Soviet orbital flights were constantly in the news. No one had yet seen actual photos of other planets and the idea they might be populated with UFO-flying aliens didn't seem outlandish at all. What broke the ice for me was the Batman TV show. I was a teenager at that point and it was my introduction to camp tongue-in-cheek humor. I'd been watching TV shows like Rocky and Bulwinkle, Man from Uncle, and My Favorite Martian, which leaned heavily on the same 50's sci-fi tropes as Silver Age Batman, and Adam West's Batman had a genuinely subversive influence on me. One thing led to another, and I wound up watching the Moon Landing live on TV in my best friend's basement stoned on acid. By that time I'd discovered Spiderman, The Hulk, and Iron Man, and considered DC comics simplistic kid stuff. But they were all blown away by Zap Comix, Mr. Natural, and the Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers. After that counter-culture trip, I don't think I even glanced at a superhero comic book until Frank Miller's Dark Knight Returns in the 80's.
@eugenerowland1262
@eugenerowland1262 2 жыл бұрын
Your review of the 1950's "Sci-fi Era" of Batman brought back so MANY vivid memories of childhood !!! The icing on the cake was your vivid explanations of the behind the scenes hard business decisions that shaped the history of Batman. Yours is the very BEST comics show I've ever seen. Keep up the good work !!! 😃👍
@faboofour
@faboofour 2 жыл бұрын
The first comics I read, 9 or 10 years old then, were the early Silver age Superman books somewhat after Whitney Ellsworth stopped putting his name as editor and Mort Weisinger took credit. That's when Mort started the "Superman Mythos" system of adding a new continuing facet every every few months (red kryptonite, Supergirl,, the "LL" thing (Luthor suddenly had a first name), Bizarro, Krypto, Kandor (Krypton itself was previously rarely ever mentioned before this) the psuedo-sci fi "yellow sun" explanation of the powers, Pete Ross, Mon-El, etc.; even green kryptonite (originally red!) wasn't the near-monthly occurrence it became). The Superman books sold like crazy, top of the line, so it was natural that other editors would try to copy what they thought was the "secret": sci-fi and an entire in-story "universe" (Stan Lee is often credited for starting continuity in comics, but he just modified what DC was doing, just doing it much more overtly with a soap opera feel and without the "every comic is someone's first comic" dictate: of course Mort just copied Captain Marvel, especially when Otto Binder came over from Fawcett). Schwartz was just way better at SF (which he liked) than Schiff (who didn't), hence the change in editorial.
@jasonguinn6075
@jasonguinn6075 2 жыл бұрын
The animated series Batman Brave and the Bold took inspiration from many of the themes you speak about in this video. I loved all of them in animated form. Batman even meets Space Ghost in one episode. Batmans history certainly is interesting, thanks for breaking it down.
@OomaGooma
@OomaGooma 2 жыл бұрын
The bloopers at the end was a very nice touch. Keep ‘em coming!
@frankensteinmonster1931
@frankensteinmonster1931 2 жыл бұрын
I think it’s nice that Batman had his goofy moments in the comics. It’s good to have the light stuff to balance out the dark stuff. Also, without those comics in the 50’s we never would’ve gotten the Adam West show in the 60’s
@bbbsharank4667
@bbbsharank4667 2 жыл бұрын
Its not, even for the time they were hated and considered bad and unfitting for the character to the point it almost ended it. And you only fake to like the Adam West show to poseur up and fake nerd cred by copying people with blind nostalgia(youre the type to fake like the shumacher movies too), even then, his campy show didnt adapted a lot of that period. Not to mention a run that kept his golden age streak could mean theyd just create a better batman show at the time and in this timeline people would scoff at the campy idea. Also this isnt "goofy" just because you are some redditor who got potty trained by meme culture to only accept things if they are "ironic" and babified and to fake like things over them being "wholesome" (safe and censored) and hate all else, they were just straigh up rubbish compared to lots of other comics of the time and caused by extremist zealots creating the c.a.a. it says a lot about how vile you are that you agree with a wertham and similars as long as there isnt a night scene or a noir character to make you scared.
@DoYouLiekMudkipz_
@DoYouLiekMudkipz_ 2 жыл бұрын
@@bbbsharank4667 bro, get a life.
@mrblobby7864
@mrblobby7864 2 жыл бұрын
@@bbbsharank4667 How dare someone like something that you don't?
@frankensteinmonster1931
@frankensteinmonster1931 2 жыл бұрын
@@bbbsharank4667 You don’t know me. It’s just an opinion dude. I’m sorry not everybody shares the same views as you do. My opinion shouldn’t affect you so much that you would go out of your way to tell me that I’m objectively wrong about something you don’t like. By the way, I do like the dark stuff too. People can enjoy both you know. Have a nice life.
@rodmoore1577
@rodmoore1577 2 жыл бұрын
I watched the the TV show when I was a child. In the 70s I started reading the books by o'neal/adams and my opinion of the character was totally changed. I saw a Batman that wasn't silly campy or goofy. I know people love being nostalgic about their childhood experiences but they saved the book by going back to the roots of the character. Batman today wouldn't be here today if it weren't for them.
@dlaserus
@dlaserus 2 жыл бұрын
I wonder just how much the existence of the comic code also contributed to this. Think about it, the comic code made realistic stories more dangerous to try and publish. But no one cares if you are fighting robots with rayguns.
@slopa-pow2193
@slopa-pow2193 2 жыл бұрын
Honestly you’re probably-definitely on to something (kinda wish the Code came up more in the video).
@__Luke__
@__Luke__ 2 жыл бұрын
@@slopa-pow2193 But this was also the time frame (1960s on) when Marvel came into existence and rapidly expanded, without any of that silliness.
@fishin4bass2002
@fishin4bass2002 2 жыл бұрын
It just goes to show you why regulation sucks. Look how the FCC effected many tv shows back in the day as well. Government always ruins everything in the end.
@__Luke__
@__Luke__ 2 жыл бұрын
@@fishin4bass2002 Comics Cod Authority wasn't government, but your general sentiment is correct.
@fishin4bass2002
@fishin4bass2002 2 жыл бұрын
@@__Luke__ no it wasn’t but it was still regulating it, which is why I also brought up the fcc. Still I think you can kinda blame the government for the comics code to a degree because of how the government did all those hearings about comics which scared the comic industry. So although they weren’t being regulated by the government they were scared to do certain things because they thought the government might get involved.
@unfathomable3434
@unfathomable3434 2 жыл бұрын
Imagine if this happened, would we look at Batman like one looks at the dart or the alan scott green lantern? An old outdated super hero not fit for modern interpretations
@emperormegaman3856
@emperormegaman3856 2 ай бұрын
I think he would have eventually been reimagined in the bronze age or something. But a lot of things would be different.
@MsSumoon
@MsSumoon 2 жыл бұрын
You know what, the 2008 animated series Batman the Brave and the Bold found the balance that many of these writers didn't do, it's the good balance of goofy and serious and I do believe it's because they kept Batman being the serious one of the show and the rest of the universe kept itself goofy.
@josesarango3408
@josesarango3408 2 жыл бұрын
good point.
@chasesigler9885
@chasesigler9885 Жыл бұрын
He was the least goofy but he still had his moments.
@batandjoefan8108
@batandjoefan8108 2 жыл бұрын
I currently have almost all the Batman and Detective comics from 1961 onwards, but most of those pre new look stories only got one reading because of their absurdity. There were some good stories in the new look era (anybody remember the single appearance of the Hangman masked wrestler?) but it was the O’Neal and Adams era that really grabbed me.
@triplejunction7073
@triplejunction7073 10 ай бұрын
The Hate of the Hooded Hangman. Classic Batman Story.
@ghouldishanimal
@ghouldishanimal 2 жыл бұрын
I love learning about the early era of comics and their quirks
@TomGallagherSuperboyBeyond
@TomGallagherSuperboyBeyond 2 жыл бұрын
i love silver age batman, it's so ridiculous that i can't help but have fun while reading. I love that Peacemaker made Batmite canon to the DCEU. Also i agree, Robin Dies at Dawn is excellent. Its included in The Greatest Batman Stories Ever Told volume 2, a compilation book i've had since i was a kid, and read many times. Can i just ask, what is the music you use in the background of this video? I like it lol
@eddiejoewalt7746
@eddiejoewalt7746 2 жыл бұрын
the only good thing about SILVER AGE BATMAN was Batman The Brave and Bold Cartoon (BATMAN DOES NOT EAT NACHOS)
@robd1329
@robd1329 Жыл бұрын
...you def have to have a sense of humor for comics of silver age era
@snakes3425
@snakes3425 2 жыл бұрын
You have to admit the writers were probably having no end of fun writing these stories
@cleowho
@cleowho 2 жыл бұрын
Great information and beautifully presented, as always, Chris... but the music is very unnecessary and deeply annoying!
@pulsarstargrave256
@pulsarstargrave256 2 жыл бұрын
According to editor JACK SCHIFF, sales were trending upward once they started bringing back the super villains and cutting back on the sci fi stuff! I simply can't remember who said it but they theorized Kane was told about possible cancellation to get him to go along with JULIUS SCHWARTZ' revamp approach, which was a proven success with other series!
@tharaxis1474
@tharaxis1474 2 жыл бұрын
I always appreciate how much work and research you put into these videos. They're always so informative and interesting.
@RighteousBrother
@RighteousBrother 2 жыл бұрын
Love the show, not sure about the background music this time round though, I thought it was coming from my neighbours!
@davidmendez5933
@davidmendez5933 2 жыл бұрын
I recognize the Atomic Comics rack. I was standing behind you in line at Stargazer a year or so ago. I was too star struck to say anything and didn’t want to bother or annoy (it was still early in the pandemic too) Love your videos! Always learn new stuff and I love how you cover anything and everything. I know it’s generic but, KEEP UP THE GREAT WORK. 😁🙌🏽👏🏽
@ntcnetwork9934
@ntcnetwork9934 2 жыл бұрын
Hey don’t blast Polka-Dot Man, that guy’s SICK. 😂
@cassandralyris4918
@cassandralyris4918 2 жыл бұрын
These are so batshit crazy, but honestly I think I prefer these to the ultra grim dark modern Batman stuff. Also, that crystal monster was "borrowed" for Adventure Time, and I love that.
@In.New.York.I.Milly.Rock.
@In.New.York.I.Milly.Rock. 2 жыл бұрын
*batshit*
@LARKXHIN
@LARKXHIN 2 жыл бұрын
Me too. I mean Batman dresses like... this, let's have a little bit of levity and humor again.
@exceedcharge1
@exceedcharge1 2 жыл бұрын
Batman: oh no my roses are dying! Quickly Robin, the Bat-Shit!
@SIDEKICKDUSTY
@SIDEKICKDUSTY 2 жыл бұрын
Was the guano pun intentional?
@peptobsmol
@peptobsmol 2 жыл бұрын
I had a tough time with black casebook parts of Morrison's run but they were definitely memorable
@__Luke__
@__Luke__ 2 жыл бұрын
The art looks really good on some of those wacky stories.
@octosalias5785
@octosalias5785 2 жыл бұрын
Ah, so even back in the Silver Age DC had the urge to erase popular characters
@totz_the_plaid9625
@totz_the_plaid9625 2 жыл бұрын
Chris, I can tell you that the Batman of Zurr-En-Arrh was FAR from "forgotten" by the time Grant Morrison retconned it in "Batman R.I.P." I'm not even a huge Batman/DC fan, and I was well aware of it as one of those goofy Silver-Age things along with Bat-Mite, the rainbow suit, the "Batmen of All Nations" (esp. Chief Man-of-Bats), etc. The idea that it's somehow less absurd for Batman to meet an alien inspired by him than for him to regularly team up with a godlike alien (Superman), character born of Greek mythology (Wonder Woman), King of Atlantis (Aquaman), another godlike alien (Martian Manhunter), practically magical space cops (any given Green Lantern), etc. I mean that's just drawing the line kind of randomly isn't it? Some people loved Morrison revisiting that stuff, but for me, it just seemed like it was turning fun stuff and making it grimdark for no good reason. To quote Robin in a Texts from Superheroes comedic Tumblr post after being questioned by Batman about believing in the Easter Bunny: "Your best friend is an alien, I lead a team of kids with superpowers and we just fought a guy made of clay. If someone tells me a giant bunny is bringing me chocolate every year why would I not believe that?" There are some who WISHED it would be forgotten, but the strangeness of the Silver Age is well-remembered and enshrined across the geek-o-sphere whether via Superdickery and other sites like it, or just through comic shop arguments over the dumbest or most so-bad-it's-good Silver Age nonsense (which sometimes stretches to the Bronze age for the introduction of stuff like Cap-Wolf over in Marvel).
@emperormegaman3856
@emperormegaman3856 2 ай бұрын
The stories characters face in their own books are often quite different and fit a different tone from the one they have in the team book. Superman canonically exist in a world where Greek Gods are a thing, but he'll rarely fight a ancient Greek god in his own book. Batman still have some light sci-fi elements, but he's more about detective work and crime fighting. Nothing against silver age silliness, btw.
@BioshockDrill
@BioshockDrill Ай бұрын
dawg relax
@philbuttler3427
@philbuttler3427 2 жыл бұрын
I love the Silver Age Batman because it really illustrates the fludity of comic characters and how people who talk about Batman like he's not open to interpretation and has a set characterization are appealing to a characterization they like.
@56postoffice
@56postoffice 2 жыл бұрын
Because I'm a Marvel fan, I never knew about the Bob Kane scandal until this channel. Worse, it went back decades. I'll never look at the history of the Batman comic the same way again.
@TsukiCondor
@TsukiCondor 2 жыл бұрын
The Beast from Koba Bay actually did appear in the Batman Manga from the 60s
@tylerscott6640
@tylerscott6640 2 жыл бұрын
Please do a whole video on Grant Morrison's Batman. You touched on it a bit but there's so much meaty goodness to that run. It's my personal favorite Batman run ever.
@JohnSmith-yd5wq
@JohnSmith-yd5wq 2 жыл бұрын
That was a great Batman run.
@ivane5110
@ivane5110 2 жыл бұрын
Love the Silver Age sci-fi stuff even to this day. Batman's 50's run was definitely a favorite of mine. Thomas and Ordway's portrayal of him in All-Star Squadron showed that the older look and time period still has a lot of milage in it. But this video gives me two thoughts: I wonder if he'd have been more successful with Kirby's more edgy style of sci-fi? I also wonder what other JSA members woukdve looked like given the Silver Age revamp, like GL and Flash got?
@Rocketboy1313
@Rocketboy1313 2 жыл бұрын
The idea that a typical crook while on the run from Batman will just find an alien space craft feels... on brand for the DC universe.
@rexlupusetxe8367
@rexlupusetxe8367 2 жыл бұрын
Wow. You have so much knowledge. Thanks for your work. I love the bloopers and the fan art
@shaunieinthewrasslin2877
@shaunieinthewrasslin2877 4 ай бұрын
I love how Batman and Robin barely escaped a alien Olympic attack, but Batman was so proud of his performance in their Olympic Games he said “F that” went back to the dangerous planet just to prove he won fairly.
@Pensadordosceus
@Pensadordosceus 2 жыл бұрын
Putting a background song in loop without intent in the editing phase doesn’t add anything but distraction
@Pensadordosceus
@Pensadordosceus 2 жыл бұрын
I can’t even finish it
@johnbockelie3899
@johnbockelie3899 2 жыл бұрын
Robin kills fish Batman because the sprinkler was fresh water not salt water.
@BioshockDrill
@BioshockDrill Ай бұрын
dramatic af lmao
@AllNoneBlakCox
@AllNoneBlakCox 2 жыл бұрын
If anyone hasn’t already I suggest you watch brave and the bold series a lot of these stories a retold in a very tongue and cheek way and fun way being a love letter the previous batman series and the silver age Era
@baiwatch1
@baiwatch1 2 жыл бұрын
Thanks for adding those bloopers. Your laugh raised my spirits.
@theultimatetm9555
@theultimatetm9555 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for making these videos Chris. I discovered your channel a few years ago, and I'm certain that without your videos I wouldn't have gotten into comics. Because of you and your passion for the medium, I've discovered some of the best stories I've ever read. Thank you.
@toonman361
@toonman361 2 жыл бұрын
This was a *wonderful* commentary. This 60 year old learned a tremendous amount about a topic I had always wondered about. Thank you!
@meltdownremix1996
@meltdownremix1996 2 жыл бұрын
Sick and tired of all the gritty realism hardcore batman movies, someone needs to make a Bat Human Fish full motion picture immediately.
@ComicTropes
@ComicTropes 2 жыл бұрын
Well, that was my final point. No matter how good or bad something is, people need variety. I also wouldn’t mind a lighter Batman if the execution was good.
@waynekriegel535
@waynekriegel535 2 жыл бұрын
@@ComicTropes A lighter Batman??? Have you ever seen the movies "Batman Forever" or "Batman and Robin?" It's been about 20 years since those "films" and I still want my money back! The 60s Batman TV series lost me during the first season...and I was just a kid who, I guess, was supposed to like that stuff. I'd watch re-runs of "The Untouchables" and wonder why they couldn't make an updated Batman series like that...rough and gritty. Though I didn't think "The Green Hornet" was very good (no Joker,etc), I did notice it wasn't a comedy! Bring back a "brighter" Batman and you can do an episode on "where did all the Batman fans go??" Loved your presentation, though.
@BioshockDrill
@BioshockDrill Ай бұрын
@@waynekriegel535 bad examples tbh
@davidcauley9400
@davidcauley9400 2 жыл бұрын
I must admit, I really admired Grant Morrison's endearing attempts to legitimatise and canonise all that batty silver age stuff in his Bats run. Even as a casual Bats fan I had fun with that and it even made me go read those old stories. fun fun fun.
@sarawelling5271
@sarawelling5271 2 жыл бұрын
The Silver Age was tainted by the constraints of the CCA. They did their best, but it was a tough slog. That's when I started reading comics and I considered it the standard for the medium. I loved it because I was a kid. I love it more today, because I realize how very hard those guys were trying to keep comics alive and kids entertained.
@danbeaudet6718
@danbeaudet6718 2 жыл бұрын
LOL love your bloopers!
@Nala15-Artist
@Nala15-Artist 2 жыл бұрын
Is anyone gonna talk about how Robin's FIRST inclination on seeing a fish-tail shape is to draw AN ENTIRE CAR to attach it to?? A genius is among us. Clearly. 7:45
@Fragment38
@Fragment38 2 жыл бұрын
I discovered your channel recently, and immediately subscribed. You've clearly done a lot of research, and the pacing kept me for the whole video. (but maybe turn the music down a bit? slightly distracting) Thanks so much for this, keep it up!
@josebencomo2385
@josebencomo2385 2 жыл бұрын
14:00- How did Robin die? Killer Croc: "It was a big rock."
@ItsOver9000Productions
@ItsOver9000Productions 2 жыл бұрын
LMAOOO i love how the Original story insists it was absolutely real but Grant says nah "Batman was tripping balls." I love even more how the Brave and the Bold cartoon adapted tons of these stories and made them great. Also the music made me think i was watching a Fanboy Flicks video lol. I think it was a little loud though. Had to fight to listen to you over the music sometimes.
@diajoji1587
@diajoji1587 2 жыл бұрын
It's so amazing that any character is able to be told in stories serious while also being in stories about meeting aliens. Truly Batman is a great and fascinating character.
@rickytoddbotelho9555
@rickytoddbotelho9555 2 жыл бұрын
This is probably my favorite era of comics. Dick Sprang paved the way for me to enjoy Jack Kirby then Neal Adams and Steve ditko. Great idea for a video nerd. Thanks😃😛👍❤🌅
@Dainius8888
@Dainius8888 2 жыл бұрын
Love your videos man, but the music does seem to distract a bit too much. Nothing wrong with it, just that I find it harder to focus on what is being said
@Optimat1000
@Optimat1000 2 жыл бұрын
Great content as always. I love the weird silver age superhero stories! 😊👌
@guatobean2869
@guatobean2869 2 жыл бұрын
Great video and great way to teach us a portion of the history of Batman!! Grant Morrison’s run is so genius!! Ties everything in a fantastical way but grounded in the universe he crafted 👍🏼
@JoshuaBatJoshHayes
@JoshuaBatJoshHayes 2 жыл бұрын
Thank you so much for all of these and your clear love of comics.
@aurrickan
@aurrickan 2 жыл бұрын
i find the music in this one kind of distracting, i think i preferred these episodes without it. makes it better to focus on the information being given
@LARKXHIN
@LARKXHIN 2 жыл бұрын
I liked it, but it took some getting used to. I thought I was playing something else in the background.
@alejandroocana5020
@alejandroocana5020 2 жыл бұрын
Absolutely.
@nikoalecsovich
@nikoalecsovich 2 жыл бұрын
Agreed
@peterjohnson4932
@peterjohnson4932 2 жыл бұрын
I really loved that period for Batman, especially Sheldon Moldoffs art. Of course I only ever saw them as reprints in the 80 page giants. I had "Robin dies at dawn", which had quite an emotional impact on 7 year old me. I'm 62 now, and I never forgot that story. I also had the Ant-Man story, and another story featuring "Mr Mystery" . I won't spoil that and let you figure out who or what he really was. I think they were all in the same book, which featured Robin-centric stories. Conversely, I hated the "New Look"! Thanks for a great video!
@mrblobby7864
@mrblobby7864 2 жыл бұрын
Fun Fact: This is Alan Moore's favourite Batman era.
@AvengCalifornication
@AvengCalifornication 2 жыл бұрын
Adore the music choice, you always have awesome music for your videos
@caderoger
@caderoger 2 жыл бұрын
Chris, long time fan. I'm here to tell you right now, maybe the background music was not such a great idea. I myself like hearing only your voice in the videos, feels like a conversation you'know? but if you're happy, I'll keep watching anyway.
@__Luke__
@__Luke__ 2 жыл бұрын
agree
@ComicTropes
@ComicTropes 2 жыл бұрын
Well, I always like to try new things. I’ll listen to everyone’s feedback and take that into consideration. Thanks.
@__Luke__
@__Luke__ 2 жыл бұрын
@@ComicTropes When the video started, I thought I had mistakenly left another window open and something else was playing at the same time.
@A_YouTube_Commenter
@A_YouTube_Commenter 2 жыл бұрын
@@ComicTropes It reminds me of that scene in the Simpsons where Mr.Burns and Smithers have a montage.
@jameslarochelle8501
@jameslarochelle8501 2 жыл бұрын
I agree. I think it wouldn't be as bad if it weren't such a short loop of the same music over and over. For a short video it's fine, but on a longer video it gets a bit much.
@pengwin_
@pengwin_ 2 жыл бұрын
"Batman tolerates this..." I LAUGHED SO HARD
@KMM-kx2yn
@KMM-kx2yn 2 жыл бұрын
So Negative man from doom patrol is basically mummy batman without the cowl
@SansSanity
@SansSanity 2 жыл бұрын
the music is too much. i hard a really hard time focusing on what you were saying. otherwise great as always!
@RamManNo1
@RamManNo1 2 жыл бұрын
Lot of haters in the comments. “Bu bu but… scifi!” I personally enjoy a whacked out pre new look Batman yarn once in a while. I love that Morrison paid homage to them.
@MarkLipka
@MarkLipka 2 жыл бұрын
What's with playing the "Always Sunny in Philadelphia" music throughout the episode?
@jeffsantos93
@jeffsantos93 2 жыл бұрын
I thought I was watching FanboyFlicks hahaha
@matthewmoran4158
@matthewmoran4158 Жыл бұрын
I assume someone already mentioned this but The Fairly Odd Parents cartoon had an occasional character called Catman and his outfit pretty much looked the same as the 1950s comic, and he was voiced by Adam West.
@davidmcmahon4633
@davidmcmahon4633 Жыл бұрын
There was a Catman comic book that ran in the 40s. Pretty much the same outfit. His sidekick was a girl named Kitten. I believe the comic ended in 1946.
@YourTypicalZenAnarch
@YourTypicalZenAnarch 2 жыл бұрын
Bloopers! I always wondered if you were able to go through some the silliness without cracking up! Love the vid!
@jonathanulrich4905
@jonathanulrich4905 2 жыл бұрын
Gotta love the zaniness of that period in comics.great video
@196078614teal
@196078614teal 2 жыл бұрын
After Batman was updated under new editor Julius Schwartz, the Caped Crusader became the “Bat-Hulk” in a team-up with Metamorpho in an issue of The Brave And The Bold.
@isaactaylor08
@isaactaylor08 Жыл бұрын
Too bad editors weren’t smart enough to have bat-hulk meet blockbuster!
@MrDman21
@MrDman21 2 жыл бұрын
Polka Dot Man and Kite Man had to have come out in the silver age.
@schedelworld
@schedelworld 2 жыл бұрын
Is it bad that this is my favorite era of Batman? Found it in 'Greatest Stories Ever Told' volumes as a kid, and never looked back.
@josesarango3408
@josesarango3408 2 жыл бұрын
I like silver age Batman too
@ianr.navahuber2195
@ianr.navahuber2195 2 жыл бұрын
12:35 to be fair scott snyder eventually went as weird as silver age later in his runs
@jeremysmith4620
@jeremysmith4620 2 жыл бұрын
I am glad Batman dropped his original catch phrase, "Acrobat orphans won't tell on you!" Surprisingly, it did strike fear in the hearts of some people, but that was mostly the Teen Titans.
@Pleasestoptalkingthanks
@Pleasestoptalkingthanks 2 жыл бұрын
He also has his iconic line when sicking Robin on criminals: “go for the crotch, boy!”
@DrPluton
@DrPluton 2 жыл бұрын
I preferred Silver Age Batman over current Batman. We could all use some silliness in our comics.
@mandelabutterfly9162
@mandelabutterfly9162 2 жыл бұрын
Would not want to live in that alternate universe. I love Batman. So does WB lol.,
@gavinmarks2302
@gavinmarks2302 Жыл бұрын
Chris, I missed this video when you first upload it, my apologies!! I've just watched it 4 times over... you continue to make great videos!! Your fan👍👍👍
@recnepsrc
@recnepsrc 2 жыл бұрын
The whole "Mummy bandages preventing radiation poisoning" sort of bizarrely foreshadowed Negative Man of the Doom Patrol, huh?
@IWishUWereTacos
@IWishUWereTacos 2 жыл бұрын
You never cease to keep me engaged my dude.
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