Commander Cards We Hate

[@hanschristopherson8056]

A counterspell would protect everyone’s board whereas heroic intervention only protects my board is a reason to play it over an extra counterspell

[@sethmclean8334]

Exactly what I was going to say. Unless I'm missing something an no one runs "destroy" board wipes anymore.

[@AlwaysGrowing0]

What are the most common boardwipes in each color? White:Farewell. Blue: Cyclonic Rift. Black: Toxic Deluge. Red: Blasphemous Act. Green: Ezuri's Predation. Cyclonic Rift, Farewell, and Toxic Deluge all get around Heroic Intervention. You are better off playing either a counterspell or Teferi's Protection if you are trying to protect your board from the most common boardwipes.

[@sethmclean8334]

@@AlwaysGrowing0 "this card is bad because popular board wipes can't be stopped by it - run counter spell" also "supreme verdict is bad because being uncounterable doesn't matter" huh?

[@marimi46]

​@AlwaysGrowing0 counterpoint: farewell and cyc rift and deluge are not the only wipes in the format. People run austere commands, cleansing novas, etc. Also, if you're in mono green or golgari or gruul, you have limited recourse against farewell/rift anyways. Why not run a card that at least works if they play a wipe that isn't one of the best?

[@Dennyrodrig]

@@AlwaysGrowing0 I really don't get this "run a blue card, or a white card, instead of this green card". Not sure if you know this, but commanders come in different color identities than Bant.

[@GorbashKazdar]

It's shocking to me how many people are down on Heroic Intervention. At two mana the fact that it can protect a key permanent of any type is already very strong, and it's a great combat trick. It gets around some tricky tech that is otherwise hard to counter as well. You're right that it's poor board protection, but the reality is that's just a edge-case upside for a card that's incredibly powerful in other situations. People seem to just lock in on what it's billed as and forget what it actually does, and thus don't play it nearly as aggressively as they should.

[@SchemingGuide]

“Cards make me angry.” - Mia

[@krisschoorl577]

1. Sol Ring 2. Sol Ring 3. Rhystic Study 4. Smothering Tithe

[@PGOproductions2]

I don't understand the "this removal bad, swords and path are better" well yeah, but unless your are cheating, you can only run 1 of each. Void rend in the decks that can run it is a great option. Doesnt only hit cretures, and getting around ward is more and more relavent every set.

[@lugh.i]

I really like Void Rend in Esper decks, the colors are there and it's great to go against the huge amount of cards with Ward nowdays, specially commanders.

[@joepiedepoepie1234]

Exactly, and since all my decks run about 40 pieces of interaction, I NEED THEM.

[@davidbilich1708]

40 pieces of interaction? Fudge right off. ​@@joepiedepoepie1234

[@PaulSzkibik]

If I'm not completely try-harding, which I'm basically never, I'd rather stay on theme instead of mashing another "staple" into my deck and making it feel samey. Is "Dispatch" maybe less reliable than Swords to Plowshares? Yeah of course, but If I'm playing anything with any amount of equipment, treasures or just artifact theme... I'll play dispatch.

[@zacdredge3859]

@@lugh.i Well it would be illegal to play if you're not an esper deck so yeah...

[@ethanglaeser9239]

Jodah is the epitome of "My commander plays the game for me".

[@Kurayamiblack]

I wanted to build a deck full of expensive, powerful, splashy, and iconic cards that were "unplayable" and cheat them all into play to bury my opponent in "Excessive Random Generic Strong af BS". I started with The Ur Dragon and believe it or not I actually got the deck to work. But then one day, powercreep sets started emerging and Jodah appeared 😅 He was literally perfect for what I already had going. It was hard not to switch 💀

[@andrewamann2821]

Ahh, Jodah, the Unifier... I've been tinkering with ideas with him, and I keep coming back to focusing on inducing mental fatigue. Play loads of legends that make every one of your opponents options bad ones, or just flatly disallow them to play in the way they expect. Exhaust your opponents whilst you damn near autopilot into massive plays.

[@ethanglaeser9239]

@@andrewamann2821 Sooo... Cascading Legendary Stax? Thalias, Linvalas, Lavinia, Grand Arbiter Augustine, Karn the Great Creator, etc. That kind of deck?

[@ethanboyd2981]

I wanted to make a 5-Color Legendary deck, but intentionally did not make Jodah my commander cause I hate that card soooo much. So instead I'm using Niv Mizzet Reborn and included only Legendary's that are exactly 2 colors.

[@ethanglaeser9239]

@@ethanboyd2981 That sounds more unique and interesting for sure! I also like the idea of using 5C Omnath and only choosing Legends with 3 or more pips on them.

[@3weiter]

Hating Heroic Intervention is ehm.. a bit extreme :P - It's not a 100% safe card. But come on .. 1G is not a lot for what it does.

[@marcoottina654]

Yeah, it's at underpriced/ powercrept

[@angelochua7012]

I think it's because they're counterspell fanatics...

[@blacktiger0095]

Heroic Intervention is such a clutch card. I now run it in every green deck now. It's saved my permanents from board wipes and even spot removal in the last minute situations. 2 drop with one green pip. Yeah, awesome friggen card.

[@PGOproductions2]

Windfall is so good. 90% of the time, 1 or 2 players will hate it because theyve been drawing cards and sculpting a god hand, then you force em to get a new one. Also, maybe the third player says "my hand is bad" or "man im almost hellbent" and you say "howd you like a new hand?" And make a deal with them.

[@life_kluda]

I intend to make a blue black discard deck. I am happy to play this sucker.

[@Dskinny23]

Came here to see if someone was on this with me. Windfall has its place. Heck, it has lots of places.

[@salmathe8bitSamurai]

You guys switched spots... 😱

[@NitpickingNerds]

Did we??

[@rickmorty2893]

Disgusting!

[@yerauldda4909]

I played Inkshield exactly once, and it won me the game when a 17/17 Auntie Blyte, Bad Influence was about to smoosh me into paste... so I can't hate it, even if I've never played it since. Either that or I'm part of the elaborate gaslighting conspiracy, I'm afraid you'll never know

[@Dskinny23]

Imo Inkshiled is awesome purely for fun. The concept is just fun and interesting.

[@IBeScrappyDoo2]

You really have to define exactly what your definition of card draw is. Because there is a difference between "Card Draw" "Card Filtering" and "Card Advantage" Drawing cards is a relative term meaning as long as you are drawing cards it actually is card draw. But having more cards in hand than you did after doing something during your turn would be considered "Card Advantage". While drawing cards and being card neutral is more along the lines of "Card Filtering".

[@yerauldda4909]

Fairly sure they know this, and made it pretty clear in the video... the statement 'Thrill of Possibility is not card draw' would make little sense otherwise

[@ivanniezgocki5236]

I have actually said something along the lines of "I'm sorry guys, I didn't know my deck was going to do that" after playing a Jodah, the Unifier deck. It was just Jonah and a pile of legendries that I had on-hand. I figured there was no way that was going to be a stupidly busted as it looked like it would be. Well it wasn't. It was WAY more busted than I thought. Untapping with 16 power over 2 dudes and them swinging with almost 60 power over 6 dudes is utterly disgusting. Needless to say Jonah is grounded for a while. He knows what he did.

[@shawnpanzegraf5642]

Bizarre take on HI. I find it useful constantly. I’m also for anything that disincentivizes the playing of a chunk of targeted removal, to say nothing of no-selling someone’s full-out swing or Commander Damage attempt. Absolutely feels great to just crap on someone’s entire combat phase for 2 mana. Making people use up their Exile-based removal is also really helpful.

[@Knightfall8]

okay, card I hate... Probably that 5-color bridge. Every time Im in a pod facing one in the command zone, the other two players conveniently always seem to have terrible threat assessment skills. It will then always snowball then the rest of the table is like "oh-em-gee where did all of that come from? that came out of nowhere!" And meanwhile I'm rolling my eyes. Also, not a single card per se, but any commander that immediately tells you the player is trying to pass themselves off as group hug. Group hug makes almost every game miserable

[@timbombadil4046]

Is a quality counterspell better than heroic intervention? Generally surviving a sweeper unscathed is better than directly countering it.

[@yerauldda4909]

the point is that you won't survive many of the most popular wipes with heroic intervention, but if you counter them, you will

[@Dennyrodrig]

@@yerauldda4909 That point is kinda silly. If that should be the mindset for every card you play in a deck, you should stop playing Swords or Path, and play only Beast Within and Generous Gift, after all, you could lose to All Will Be One, or a ton of other non-creature threats, while you have a 'deal with creature only' spell in hand.

[@marljevincalabia3746]

I've won several games by casting heroic intervention in response to a boardwipe. hahaha. Guys in my playgroup run a lot of damnation, blasphemous act, and similar boardwipes. It doesn't always work, though.

[@Kaiser-S0ul]

I love at 30:22 where one of Mia's reasons to not listen to/trust Beezy is: "He's so tall."

[@Mostimpressiveindeed]

Scratched my head when Beezy said that day of judgment + counter magic is better than Supreme Verdict. Great video though.

[@bruvaroni]

Nah ya'll are crazy for the void rend take. The almost unanswerable permanent destruction is quite good in those colors

[@Dennyrodrig]

Also, comparing Void Rend to Swords or Path doesn't even make sense. Pretty sure they don't hit non-creature non-land permanents like Void Rend does, you know...

[@Mattthecricketbat1]

Counterspells in simic are not better than Heroic Intervention against board wipes. Of course we’re talking “destroy” and damage boardwipes but still. I’d rather my opponents get ruined and I’m safe :)

[@danplows8298]

Why would I counterspell a board wipe when I can Heroic Intervention and let the spell resolve so I keep my board and everyone else is wiped

[@marcoottina654]

If that board wipe is a Damnation / Wrath of God, i.e. a "destroy" effect, then yes "Heroic Intervention" is better. A "Farewell", i.e. an "exile" effect, will still hit your indestructible stuff

[@Dennyrodrig]

@@marcoottina654 So you're saying there are situations the card is fantastic, while other scenarios where it won't be relevant, like, all the other 95% of the cards often played in a 'protection slot'? Ok, I see why HI isn't good enough then.... The argument they use in the video is awful. Even counterspell (assuming you're in a UG deck) can be useless if you draw it when your opponent already has a board rivaling yours

[@TristanB4]

I think they value the flexibility of a counterspell, that can stop a combo, protect your own game winning combo or big spell, etc. it's just a lot more flexible

[@Bedni87]

I have to admit, 'Rage Mia' is one of the greatest thing I saw on the channel. Don't push down your sarcasm and mean side, spray it more often. Super fun to watch.

[@MrGaiakid]

Their argument for approach can basically be used for any "I win" card, I don't understand why it's any worse than lab maniac or thoracle

[@gilliganallmighty3]

Moxfield ad at 17:02 I actually played a Teferi's protection in response to Thiev's Auction. That was a great blowout.

[@Domekarl]

i have windfall in my mirko deck to fill graveyard. What would be better choices?

[@joystickgenie]

I think they are way off with thrill of posibility. It isn't card positive but it is still a great card to dig to the parts of the deck you need to get to. Put it next to Consider. Spend a card and pick if you want the next one in the graveyard or hand then draw. Just thrill is throwing from hand to get 2 new. It just makes decks run smoother.

[@MCC17011]

I feel so alone as to why I hate Rhystic Study, because in our pods we always have someone who is too new to play around it, are annoyed or think that they are too cool or good to worry about it and just say "I'll never pay the one." Or you have someone who tries to buddy up with the player in the lead and offers to never pay the one just to feed them cards. That's beside the point that it's quite strong and makes games longer and more annoying with so many "do you pay the 1?"

[@zramirez5471]

Fiery Emancipation requires already having the "answer" in play - Chandra effects, Ziatora, 100 goblin tokens, something that explodes...

[@martinheraud1744]

i think that for supreme verdict you have the opposite problem as inkshield. You don't know if they could have countered it so you assume wrath of god is the same but how many times did it save you because it could not be countered. What do you think ?

[@georgeneuman488]

I dig Signets. There's only so many good mana rocks, and 2 mana or less is a nice price. Plus they can fix you...I don't care for Cluestones, but Signets are okay with me.

[@JohnRambo-sj8ri]

Here is my random list: 1. Rhystic Study / Mystic Remora / Smothering Tithe / Espec Sentinel - did you pay extra 3 turns ago, I forgot to trigger this but this is a casual EDH game so you know. 2. The One Ring - needs to go into every deck because how would you otherwise draw cards. 3. Orcish Bowmaster - I grow an army and ping ANY target by doing nothing. 4. Craterhoof / Expropriate - you just lost out of nowhere, good job for not playing blue. 5. Consecrated Sphinx - I draw cards and nobody else has removal because they are preoccupied with their own gameplan. 6. Atraxa 2 - let's blink her five times and spend 10 minutes each time choosing the perfect combination of commander staples. 7. Korvold / Chulane / Sythis - draw cards for doing what you would've done anyways - playing other cards. 8. Koma - you fools will never kill my commander because nobody plays white at the table and I make giant snakes every turn.

[@AlwaysGrowing0]

1 Mystic Remora is fine. No one ever pays 4. 2. The One Ring I completely agree. 3 Bowmasters is stupid. You don't have to ping the player drawing the cards. 4 Craterhoof is not out of nowhere. You have to have a go wide board of several creatures to work. So hoof is fine. Expropriate is stupid, I agree. 5 Sphinx is fine. People need to kill it with removal. 6 Atraxa I have not played against so no comment. 7 I agree with you on all. My favorite decks are Enchantress. The biggest problems Enchantments decks have are finding a way to say I win after out valuing everyone. I run Craterhoof, Moonshaker, Aetherflux in Enchantment decks as a mercy. I can kill you now or the deck will fiddle around for another 30 minutes in a winning position before having a good way to close the game. No one likes sitting in a game they know they have lost with their opponent spending 30 minutes to find a way to kill them. My list. 1 Rhystic and Smothering. So annoying to hear do you pay the 1/2 all game. 2 Dockside and Culling Ritual 3 Any of the following as commanders: Tergrid, Yuriko, Zur, Narset 4 Expropriate and extra turn spells 5 Torment of Hailfire. Craterhoof requires some setup with a board of creatures, so Craterhoof is fine. Torment is a free I win button, all you need is a ton of mana.

[@crisgon9552]

4 & 5, Craterhoof and Sphinx are fine. If you let me have 10+ creatures or if no one has removal that's on the table. Extra turns can be annoying but fine none the less. 7) I agree. Some commanders are uninspired.

[@JoshuaPantalleresco]

Verdict is an uninteractive by and large board wipe. It's efficient because it's not a counter battle you need to fight. I ran it in Jeskai and it's good. In those colors, it's usually not that awkward to cast. My most hated cards: Dockside Extortionist, Opposition Agent and Sheoldred. They gave underworld dreams and lifegain on a tough to deal with creature. Gross.

[@ComstarAgent]

I like Talismans in high color green decks. You can cast them off a Sol Ring, Mana Crypt, or Ancient Tomb and they help out a lot vs. blood moon

[@snowmanO07]

I feel slightly attacked lol I have Kwain deck that runs windfall and gets me closer to winning with lab maniac, triskedekaphile, or psychosis crawler. I actually took out approach of the second sun because it was too easy and boring.

[@PantheraLeoKing]

I love supreme verdict in my artifact deck. Can't be countered saves a card.

[@life_kluda]

Vamp Nighthawk was a God when it came out.

[@crisgon9552]

How far we stray from God's light 😔

[@life_kluda]

@@crisgon9552 Don't stray then.

[@ryanmanning2319]

I love the signets (and also the original filter lands) because I play way too many colorless utility lands. Signets mitigate my greed.

[@tylerbrooks145]

In Blue, sure, Heroic Intervention is just okay. Could just be a counter. But... in just Green? Tf else do you expect them to do? Lmfao, arguing that board wipes are OP and Heroic Intervention doesn't help anymore should really just be arguing against the OP board wipes. If you're not in Blue, cards like Farewell and Cyc Rift just say "Ah sorry, you should have just been in the right colors, idiot." All I'm getting from this is that Green needs a better Heroic Intervention in the future. 🤷‍♂

[@Zee-jp9vn]

Can we get a short of all commander Precon with a infinite combo

[@jonasdietrich8109]

There are precons with infinite combos? Wow, I am genuinely shocked.

[@Zee-jp9vn]

Yes a few

[@Zee-jp9vn]

One of them has a two card combo with the commander and one over card

[@ServbotNumba40]

Realistically, firey emancipation, shouldn't be cast as a "Just you wait" it should be used as an overrun with upside. I have never cast FE without immediately winning that turn (although I usually don't cast it, it comes along for the ride with opalessence and warstorm surge, off of a replenish)

[@vertquino2882]

Beledros is actually my fave golgari commander! He is super underrated

[@xeper9458]

I love playing commander using a commander that doesn't warp the gameplay around it you know? Beledros is one of them

[@meatrace]

Mia: "I hate day and night!" Kid Cudi: 😢

[@angelochua7012]

if you have a counterspell and a heroic intervention both in hand... and a boardwipe is being resolved.. what would you use? Counterspell first?

[@jperry253]

Im baffled that people would want to use one card for an effect rather than 2 🤣

[@ash_thegamer17]

windfall to flash in notion thief is just crazy mean

[@erichunt1974]

I'm sure there are at least three people who hate Krenko, Mob boss with a passion because of me.

[@D-Boy22]

There are way more than three people who hate him, believe me XD

[@Yangblaze11]

You need to set up for the fiery emancipation 9 out 10 times if you are playing this card just like craterhoof, if there isn't a plan you shouldn't be playing it to begin with it is 6 mana.

[@AugustAMcClung]

My most hated cards are Winter Orb and Humility ….I “played” one game where a player had these two ….never again

[@brianpenner9286]

Inkshield has won me a surprising amount of games. And its won me more than it has been stuck sitting in my hand. I could maybe see if you have a regular play group that can always read your bluff but at an LGS, its always unexpected and flips the entire game on its head. Hell of a card 👍

[@brianpenner9286]

Also shout out to Beledros Witherbloom

[@nickzimet]

I've used ink shield to great effect whenever you are set up to pay life. It's a great feeling to blow out someone casting it with bolas' citadel. I acknowledge though that paying full price feels bad!

[@StevenSonOfYawgmoth]

Love the Salt in this vid! ❤❤❤ Mia is in the rage zone!!

[@electricblue2920]

If you can't make inkshield work then you aren't using the combat step in your deck. Getting 16 power in the air and preventing 8 damage is something I can do wonders with

[@quayo90]

Now this is quality nitpicking 🎉🎉

[@frasert8779]

What do you think about Grave Titan in Henzie? Get it for cheap and with haste? Lots of reanimation too? There are better things but it doesn’t seem bad

[@jimmillea7001]

Is Grave Titan ok in an Akul the Unrepentant deck????

[@austinchuilli3652]

in regards to thrill of possibilities is it card draw or izzet card draw?

[@DaGraveCrowder]

I'll be honest; I have lost to Inkshield before

[@thegamingnerd274]

One of the riskiest plays I've ever made with windfall was intentionally playing it against a tergrid. I was playing Elenda and Azor and had sheoldred and teferi's puzzle box in hand, but not enough mana. If I could get it out, I could kill the tergrid player and then kill the rest of them later. Played windfall, discarded into tergrid, then used the queza triggers to kill tergrid player hoping they couldn't gain any life. They couldn't, they died, we all got out stuff back, and they died on each of their turns

[@riotxcore6108]

i ... had to restart the video twice .... THE SPACE SWITCH!

[@MildMinimalist]

Some real hot takes in here. I don't wanna play in a format where 2 CMC signet ramp isn't considered good anymore haha Also what's wrong with Gary? :o

[@radlad3792]

I enjoy grave titan in my Araumi deck when you encore it. Makes a pretty decent board for only 6 mana. However I feel like genuinely it’s the only home for it. I’m super curious what you think of it in there Beezy

[@mop8328]

I run it in my chainer dementia master deck, I can cheat it out for 3 black and 3 life and depending on my board state I can sacrifice and cast it for only 3 life and just continuously make sacrifice fodder to gain 3 black from the two tokens and the grave titan and get infinite etbs, or jsut make a ton of zombies to chump block with if I haven’t been able to make everyone sacrifice all their creatures that turn, it works well for me bc I can cheat it out/loop it, I do agree that it’s not great in the majority of decks that run it tho, a 6/6 with death touch is never a bad thing to have on hand though

[@sinnaro13]

I have a friend that has a chaos deck that uses Timesifter. I actually managed to get a turn with it with my Krenko deck.

[@Qdrew78]

Beautiful day, if I may add a personal opinion. I have almost zero issues with most cardboard. What I wish would change is the mindset of Min/Max commander format. Crack some packs, build some decks with your card pool, jam some games with friends and profit! I have a vast collection but love that I have silly decks like 5-color gargoyles, Eleminster deck focused on turning him into a creature based on 30 years of telling stories in FR…. Have two vampire decks… one a decent tribal deck, second which runs only “fancy dressed” vampires and hug cards while they throw a party for two days (approach of the second sun) win con. End of the day everyone’s fun is relevant! Cheers and always love and laughter ❤

[@arcroy7]

22:30 Collector's Vault and Currency Converter are so much better than Thrill of Possibilities.

[@patricklynch4074]

i love thrill of possibility. i play it in decks that like getting cards in the graveyard, and its really good in those decks. because the discard is something i want too, or something that doesnt slow my deck down at all. hazezon: discard a desert, draw two cards, play desert from graveyard. syrix: discard a phoenix (that all have LTG effects so you Want to play them from gy instead of hand), draw 2 cards, play phoenix from gy this card is amazing in decks that use the gy as a second hand because it becomes "move a card from your hand to your other hand, draw 2 cards" OR "move a card from your hand to somewhere better than your hand, draw 2 cards" which are both amazing.

[@lolmaxxer7682]

Bootleggers Stash looks super bad in most decks, but (at least to me) absolutely bonkers in something like Korvold

[@bryden5243]

I am building a hylda deck and i have approach of the second sun in there because her ability would let me cycle to it for 2 activations which is super easy to do in one turn

[@AvidHerpetologist]

I think there's a single deck that Thrill of Possibilities is actually good in, and that's Kalamax. 2 mana, discard 1, draw 4 is a SIGNIFICANTLY better card, and not many draw spells can top that efficiency. You can still play other similar draw spells, but ToP is absolutely worth including.

[@konata8657]

farewell is a card i hate with every fiber of my being. if i could ban farewell at the cost of removing the rest of the banlist i would it in a heartbeat. farewell should have never been made, we dont need to be powercreeping austere command. i will die on this hill

[@brandonjensen586]

I dont get the signet problem, as there are very few 1drops i’d be willing to put into a commander deck

[@Draconamous]

Avoid fate is cheaper both in price and mana than heroic intervention. Even though it doesnt block a board wipe. It does save against targeted sacrifice spells.

[@marcoottina654]

24:20 put that dragon in a Bilbo Abzan lifegain deck, with lots of Elves that gians you kife (like "Oracle of Nectars") and the land "Wirewood Lodge" to untap them and climb toward 111 life. Or just throw an Avatar of Serra + Trostani, Selesbia-fs la('xsr (+, if you will, Bramble Sovereign and/or flickers like "Gilraen, ..." or "Distinguished Conjurer" or "Angel of Condemnation "/) combo

[@silentmayan5427]

I've never been failed by an inkshield. Even when I don't have it, or I'm playing a deck that I don't have it in but contains orzhov, I can bluff inkshield. At this point I could remove inkshield for half the effect of inkshield.

[@samogburn2662]

Glad someone mentioned bootleggers stash. I thought I was losing my mind when people were hyping it up during spoiler season

[@Shoyro]

Cards hated = perfect for decks saying "You will regret your existence." to opponents without saying it.

[@purpl3nurgle]

I'd argue that even only making 5 inklings is worth it. That's 10 power in the air plus any token synergies a deck running it may have. Also there has to be a deck with those colors that wants to hold up lands to spend it on opponents turns

[@rickbezoski682]

We need some contest to count how many times NPN have hated on grave titan. Way back, the first hate comments on this card helped me reevaluate how i built decks. Love the channel, keep up the great work.

[@MonsterMasher137]

Grave Titan in Korvold, checkmate, Nerds Bootlegger’s Stash ALSO in Korvold… NERDS Vampire Nighthawk is also an extremely good card for Indominus Rex, Alpha. A lot of underrated creatures actually work well for that deck. You don’t have to care about the gobbledygook rules text, just the keywords

[@BlitzFlix1]

Love the Rancor quote. I've personally found Gherson Starn to be annoying. It's just the little cuts that seem to take forever to play

[@Bedni87]

yeah, my buddy has Grand Arbiter deck, when I asked him what win con it has, he just slammed Approach, and that's it

[@jolteon345]

Inkshield is terrible if you don’t have more interaction to hold up. Inkshield is amazing when you’re also in blue so your opponents don’t know if they should try to combat you or cast their wincon.

[@Chimeraiam]

Sensei's Divining Top is my most hated card by far. Adds so much time to any game it's played in, literally impossible to remove, it's like playing whack-a-mole where you go to swing at it and it just pops up somewhere else, and lets be real here, it provides the most miniscule amount of value imaginable

[@life_kluda]

Scroll rack

[@sarahbuck2506]

Love Scroll Rack. You're not constantly spinning it like top so it's not a time sink, and you can put cards on top of an empty library to save you from mill

[@inkarozu2309]

By itself yeah it isn't much advantage, but as a combo piece for artifact decks it gets insane. Add any of the "artifacts cost 1 less" cards and it becomes a free artifact cast and etb every turn. Add in mystic forge or the upcoming crystal skull spyglass so you can cast it again from top of deck, oh look an infinite draw engine.

[@timmyd.8737]

I have Fiery Emancipation in my Iroas deck and haven’t been disappointed. It turns Iroas into a one shot kill and helps to power his devotion clause. It’s a token deck as well. I don’t play it outside of that deck however. Just works very well in that deck. Especially when I play Karlach on turn 5

[@chaosredefined3834]

Thieves Auction was a great wrath option for Zedruu. Scrambleverse as well. But most of the permanents I play in those decks are things that I don't care who controls them, so I'm usually nabbing zedruu as my first pick, and then I'm picking out things from other people's stuff. And Scrambleverse is in a similar boat. But that's pretty niche, and outside of that, I agree that they aren't great includes.

[@CharlesLeeRay812]

I have 1 deck that runs a day/night card and before I play it I always tell everyone that once the permanent dies it isn't necessary to track it and if it somehow gets reanimated then it becomes day. Seems to work well with everyone unless they're a dedicated werewolf deck.

[@RukiHyena]

signets are great in decks with powerstones, you can filter powerstone manna with signets.

[@Robert-rm4gu]

Bootlegger’s stash I have never seen do anything but make people miss Chatterfang triggers

[@drmatarkin2100]

Jodah provides randomness in the cascade, whereas Sisay is boring as tutors always get exactly what you need. People get annoyed when you win by combos and other effects, so Jodah is perfect. You have to win by combat damage with is soooo much harder. You have to keep your board safe as you go through phases to attacking. Then you have to have either have zero blockers or trample, and pray that they don't fog, etc. It's so much harder than what you're saying! Any deck should have enough removal and other spells to deal with Jodah all day long!

[@robertbengel2689]

Dang. Thanks for mentioning the windfall, I definitely need to cut Wheel of Misfortune from my red decks

[@FightinTheGorlax]

I immediately need a timesifter lol, that actually sounds hilarious to do exactly once

[@cptregalz8091]

Mia & Beezy switched seats and I am still shook

[@PirateMaster45]

Right now, my most hated card is Sheoldred, the Apocalypse. Mainly because I love drawing cards in games. I don't want to get punished by drawing cards! I have 2 friends that built that Sheoldred, one friend built it because of me (which is kinda cool I suppose?). Everytime they bust out that Sheoldred and I play a deck that likes to draw, it's like I auto lose to that.

[@danielkilgore8654]

Thrill of possibility and its siblings are amazing in Rielle, the everwise. Discard one, draw three.

[@Twist3dTales]

If a card tells you to draw a card, I'm gonna have to go out on a limb and say that's card draw...Windfall is a great card

[@zakbrooks7354]

I FEEL SO VINDICATED ABOUT APROACH. Its not a problem card, just annoying that every white deck that has no plan just throws approach in

[@Oz__MTG]

One of the best mtg talk channels! I enjoy your opinions on cards!

[@joepiedepoepie1234]

If you're down on thrill of possibility in general, you should reconsider your own magic skills.

[@kismet8010]

I don't get the counter spell va heroic intervention argument. Countering a boardwipe also helps your opponents keep their creatures. Heroic intervention is one sided protection.

[@TristanB4]

its because the counterspell can also do a million other things other than stopping a boardwipe, and thet flexibility is really powerful in terms of like, taking up a slot in your deck. The counterspell can protect your own win-con. Stop a game-winning combo. Protect your key piece from an opposing counterspell. Etc etc etc

[@kismet8010]

@@TristanB4 that's fair

[@RazorDevil1]

idk guys, my buddy sculpted his hand with draw discards and big draw spells. being able to just windfall it away was one of the better plays i could do, he wasnt even playing recursion so it extra hurt his deck. and i got to go plus! also im running notion thief anyway so its just a random cheeky 2 card thing i can do in the late game