Commander Clash S9 E5: CEDH | Kess vs. Najeela vs. The First Sliver vs. Tana & Tymna

[@marymccleary8757]

Noxious Revival puts Lotus Petal on top of library when Richard taps out to combo. Or... Noxious Revival gets shuffled away because a four-step plan to delay a turn is more fun than a one-step plan.

[@thatoneginger]

There were so many ways Tomer could have stoped Richard that game. That was so hard to watch.

[@marc-philipschuler107]

Even Seth holding up delay would have been enough, everyone just trusted that someone else would deal with it.

[@BrunoCasagrandaNeves]

Came to cry those same tears.

[@faceoctopus4571]

Once again, hoping Editor will be a player in Commander Clash sometime.

[@maechael-ns1xe]

Perhaps editors and artists episode?

[@Niuttuc]

Why tho?

[@maechael-ns1xe]

@@Niuttuc because it's nice to see the behind the scenes people have a moment in the spotlight

[@zoltanwolfe1260]

Amorphous editor moment

[@SylphIcilio]

@@Niuttuc Cause we want to see you dumpster them, not just on Tomer's wednesday streams :D

[@cEDHCast]

“What does Najeela do?” Everything Seth. Everything.

[@LunaLasceria]

"Why is [Najeela's trigger] a may effect? Who said no to making warrior tokens?" Well you see, Tomer, you may not want to give your OPPONENTS free warrior tokens.

[@sages10]

Noice, love seeing you guys try different things and you guys playing CEDH happens so infrequently I'm always pumped to see it :)

[@tierfunmtg]

41:43 Seth, you could have cast Demonic Tutor for Thassa's Oracle, cast it, then Demonic Consultation'd for a card that wasn't in your deck in response to the ETB and won on the spot! You have exactly 5 mana and can make 1B+UU+B easily by exiling Tomer's Verdant Catacombs with Deathrite Shaman. EDIT: I just saw that you won with FC immediately anyway, but I was terrified for you! No one wants to punt on CEDH week.

[@KylePriceOnline]

Game 2 *Spoiler* Noxious Revival is a free answer to the snoop combo for a turn.

[@ODIRGO]

yup, Tomer always throwing away the answers while trying to find answers, haha. I don't play CEDH but even I so that line. Also, the way he horribly played that utopia sprawl, making him waste mana.

[@JaxonUm]

Gilded Drake the recruiter was a complete answer to it though right?

[@GamerdevilPro]

@@JaxonUm Yeah I was rly confused why he thought he had to get rid of the destiny spinner lol Gilded Drake is a busted magic card

[@yepperdeedooda]

I miss holding cards in my hand and actually playing with humans.

[@Eastside97]

Same

[@NMerriott80]

Likewise.

[@0Whitelottus0]

Me too

[@slymcfly123]

True words.

[@ashra8281]

I can't believe you guys didn't punt in any of the games. Haven't watched the games yet but I'm gonna be optimistic

[@jakobostheimer4066]

Yah, I haven’t watched yet, but I bet that there not gonna attack the adnaus play and make like 50 punts.

[@Link_T179]

You dont even have to get to the games for the first punt

[@everydaykronicler9974]

"Can't believe you didn't punt" "Haven't watched so don't know if punted" Then why comment?

[@ashra8281]

@@everydaykronicler9974 it's called..... Humour. Terrifying I know

[@abheekpandya8717]

Unfortunately Tomer punts the game away

[@abheekpandya8717]

Man Tomer punted so hard by taking an extra combat step instead of holding up interaction. He had a counter to stop crim and removal for the goblin combo in hand. You shouldn't be using Najeela's ability unless you can win right there.

[@oneinfinity]

41:33 "I don't have Thassa's Oracle in my hand" No Seth, but you have a Demonic Tutor with enough mana to cast it, the Oracle and Demonic Consultation. So why wouldn't you go for that?

[@coreysierchio4650]

Najeela is a "may" ability because she triggers whenever "a" warrior attacks. #CommanderPolitics

[@DonovanPresents]

Also Suture Priest 😈

[@lucasegeland3143]

Me looking at the commanders: ha, all of these commanders are pretty good in cedh Me reading all of the title: oh yeahhhhh boyyyy

[@richardershig8601]

So glad to see that play to win is spreading throughout the community

[@My987654321098765432]

All we ask is that proxies are distinguishable. We'd rather play against the player than their wallet. We play mostly on Discord via Webcam or Cockatrice. Come out to chat if youre ever interested

[@simondiamond9628]

Untap.In isn't bad if you've got a solid group of 3 or 4 people you know well, assuming you can set up a private lounge. It eliminates the need for cards entirely. Cockatrice, I believe, only works on Windows PC's, or Linux based OS's that run WINE on them. Last I remember at least.

[@Exaurilo]

So, at 16:30, I do have some faint idea about what Crim was trying to accomplish, but it would not have been possible due to some characteristics about LED which make it weird, to say the least. In the new text, it specifically says that "Sacrifice Lion’s Eye Diamond, Discard your hand: Add three mana of any one color to your mana pool. Activate this ability only any time you could cast an instant." The instant part is very important, since you cannot play LED, then announce the casting of a spell, then activate LED as you are about to pay for the spell's mana cost, as that would be too similar to a Black Lotus. To sum it up, while LED's effect is a mana ability (that cannot be shut off by Pithing Needle-like effects and does not use the stack), it has timing restrictions. Great game, btw, always good to see a nice cEDH game!

[@MrShinyObject]

Seth: I don't wanna spite him. Seth, one turn ago: well, because of that comment, extract you.

[@MWorl91]

I love this, people actually winning and not just playing until mtgo crashes

[@nicholasrolo886]

"And they look cooler than these PURPLE PEOPLE" *Mindblade Render Disliked that* *Najeela the Blade Blossom disliked that*

[@anaphysik]

We need a "Purple People Eater" card with "Sacrifice an Azra: [...]"

[@Alikaoz]

*Feather disliked that*

[@jordanwenzlaff3321]

When there was discussions about "What if you infinitely cascade into Thassa's Oracle before you want it?", around 45:00, cascade is a may. You may cast the card, if you don't you randomly put the revealed cards on the bottom.

[@VRanger100]

41:30 "Can't you just win with Thassa's Oracle?" - Technically yes. Seth had the 6 mana (5 Rainbow and 1 Green) to Demonic Tutor (1B) for Thassa's Oracle (UU). -- Cast Thassa's Oracle (UU), then with the ETB on the stack cast Demonic Consultation (B) and name something not in his deck (Panharmonicon). --- No interaction from the other players means Seth wins. Granted Seth got there in a convoluted way to show off the Food Chain combo, but he got very lucky to have exiled the Misthollow Griffin and the Eternal Scourge.

[@raymondgreen9379]

Game two I could be missing something but I think: Tomer you gilded drake the recruiter and Richard can't win on his turn bc he can't put fanatic/ sling gang on top after making infinite goblins( he can steal it back but then is out of snoops and can't copy it) Seth you mystical for consultation, then on your turn you demonic for oracle tapping elf and land then consult for a card not in your deck tapping confluence, then cast oracle exiling tomers fetch and tapping bop( I understand wanting to show the combo bit your line has a 6% chance of missing and both lose to Foe)

[@aidennoir597]

I had the same thought. Recruiter is key to the combo winning that turn, so taking it out is better than hoping Crim maybe draws into a counterspell. You should also never rely on anyone else in cEDH, the format is pretty hostile to politics.

[@UnrelatedUsername]

Finally, they've found a way to finish games fast enough to not lose to MTGO (I'm only 50 minutes in though, inb4 MTGO loop ends the next one).

[@WushuTaz]

That was some really fun cEDH gameplay to watch. Great job guys!

[@ComedIanMTG]

cEDH Content creator and player here. It makes me so happy that you guys try this out even though it isn't your thing :)

[@shadowpsyke]

I have a ~$100 Kess deck based on CEDH combos that I find really fun to play. My mana comes into play tapped, no Mana Crypt or Lion's Eye Diamond, no Demonic or Vamp tutor, no Force of Wills, but it's still my best deck by far to where I cut some of the interaction for fun cards to give my friends a chance. I make sure to give them approximations of when I might be able to win at all times and I play the deck sparingly enough that I think it creates interesting play patterns in forcing them to stop me instead of trying to assemble their own value engines as soon as possible.

[@DropkickGoose]

This is is probably contraversial here, but I love cEDH or just powered up EDH just cause of how fast it is (meaning more games) and the amount of on-stack interaction or trying to avoid it. Yeah the games end kind of the same way most of the time, but how you get there is fascinating and fun.

[@kingfuzzy2]

Absolutely it's a beautiful journey. But for me I prefer slow cedh

[@personincorrect]

Keep up the great content! Love watching you guys play magic.

[@kunu9051]

Love the CEDH content! Definitely a fan!

[@jonathandenton3895]

Why didn't Tomer take the recruiter game 2?

[@zacharymccutcheon8607]

Didn't see the line.

[@oliver5732]

Taking the spinner gives him the better card and he thought another enemy (Crim) would use his ressources to counter the combo, which is a win-win. I think he decided correctly. However I don't know if he really thought it through.

[@MrFeierkind]

He's bad at Magic if you haven't noticed

[@keithfilibeck2390]

@@MrFeierkind not only is he bad at magic, which is fine, I guess, but worse, he actively doesn't go for the win many many times out of some sort of fairness or attempt at longevity of the game, so he fumbles his plays, and isn't even halfheartedly playing to win, making him boring to watch.

[@dannymaestro3932]

Haven’t watched the episode but super excited for the commanders!

[@jetsetdizzy9433]

This game was really cool, so much stack battles.

[@shagua2]

1:19:00 isn't that BM frowned upon in CEDH ? How do they feel about kingmaking in this format ?

[@sladevalen]

It blows my mind that Tomer was surprised how fast they got through games

[@daviD-pt6pb]

game 2, noxious stops both snoop and mystical tutor by (for free) putting a card back. one line might've been to play najeela so you can keep developing board, and noxious'ing whatever threat. great video!

[@TeaHauss]

You know what, that was enjoyable. Once I have infinite money, I might build a cEDH deck.

[@oliver5732]

Just print the cards

[@shammerHammer]

just get a food chain and you will have infi... shit forgot how reality works. again...

[@DualSwordBesken]

The cEDH community as a whole tends to be very pro-proxy, so proxy up a deck. As the saying goes "we want to play against you, not your wallet."

[@kingfuzzy2]

Proxies bro ( :

[@guhocampos2]

Me: 1 AM and I'm seeing this? Nah... Also me after 5 hours of insomnia: Guess I'm watching some Magic so...

[@dreyerborn9330]

Tiefling are of Devilish decent thank you Tomer..... I will also say City of Brass is a city in the Nine Hells.

[@Amprae]

Just saying but the cEDH community is usually very open to using proxies so no need to spend the 8k when printer paper is cheaper 🤷‍♂️

[@wafflesporq]

I will say, I really like you guys went to cEDH experts for decks this time. Not bashing your play ability, but some of the cEDH decks you've done before really weren't cEDH, and that showed when the one person who picked Ruric Thar would just win off of Ruric damage and everyone else durdled around. The fact two games were finished in 20 minutes, even with more inexperienced pilots for these very tuned decks, shows that these are the real deal. Again, no shade towards you guys- I just appreciate you really did your homework for this episode!

[@natejablonski]

We need an alter for a Mindraze Blender now...

[@mikeyman480]

Did Seth’s deck have a copy of Riftsweeper? It allows you to grab combo pieces from exile with it’s ETB (I run it in Gitrog Monster myself, it’s really powerful)

[@MidgarMerc]

This will be 2 hours of turn 1 "can I win this turn?" Lines

[@luna6315]

in game two couldnt richard couldnt tomer have stolen recruiter to dead stop the combo bc richard needed to copy it to re stack the pile?

[@jamessheffield9091]

One of the advantages of 3/4 of most decks sharing cards is that it's not very expensive to buy into a different commander or version of a deck - right now I've got cards for Gitrog, Tasigur (reanimator, golden control and ad naus), Curiosity Control, Farm, Consultation Kess. For anyone looking to start I'd definitely suggest proxies and then just slowly trading and buying singles - I personally don't proxy cards I don't expect to ever buy (so no Timetwisters or Tabernacles) but over the last 3-4 years I've acquired most of the more affordable staples and have a decent manabase.

[@paulmoore6329]

Love play to win and when my favorite channels come together for a collab

[@ComedIanMTG]

Also yes super proxy friendly!

[@dustyfox6511]

That feeling when Seth had ways to deal with Richard's Snoop combo in the second game but just decided that other people would deal with it and could of lost the game if Richard didn't screw up the library.

[@luv2hugapug]

That’s actually a line I’ve taken so many times and lost in our cEDH group

[@moshjoshpitchief4418]

in the spirit of cEDH tomer should have said "screw the mtgo bug" and sent as many warriors that were free at crim. the loss of life would have been relevant in stopping the ad naus win.

[@rsmith2568]

Really cool to see Cedh and the play to win shout out

[@oneyonfire]

I love that you all are trying cEDH. I would really like to see this more often being both a casual and cEDH player.

[@natejablonski]

So I think the correct line for Seth game 3 turn 3 (I think) during his upkeep was to cast Chain of Vapor targeting Necropotence to draw a card at draw step.

[@liamw.1313]

I really enjoy this series

[@hans202008]

is there any way you could post these primers you're referring to somewhere? i'm really curious to read them and see what u guys deal with there ^_^

[@DualSwordBesken]

Here is the cEDH deck database with tons of lists and primers. It should have the primers for each of their decks. cedh-decklist-database.com/

[@hans202008]

@@DualSwordBesken thank you ;)

[@psychozen7169]

Tomer nothing but love as they say bless your heart Tomer...

[@SylphIcilio]

50:54 oh Tomer, I'm sure you're as happy as I am after the dungeons and dragons crossover set was announced

[@thatoneginger]

SECOND GAME TURN TWO YOU TAKE THE GOBLIN RECRUITER IT IS LITERALLY PART OF THE COMBO I AM SCREAMING AT MY TV RIGHT NOW THANK GOD RICHARD SCREWED IT UP!

[@onlywei]

Does “always yes” not work on MTGO for najeela?

[@noahmurtha4036]

I actually play Richards deck in paper for cEDH lol. But more geared towards the blood pod aspect. AKA more Stax to lock everyone out first

[@kunu9051]

I am watching some of this video and there are point in Game 2 where they could've answered the snoop combo. Like Gilded Drake messes it up because he needs Mog Fanatic. Then the Noxious Revival and Cyclonic rift could help a lot.

[@kunu9051]

I also love how Seth could have won on turn 3 of game 2! Lol

[@no1hansolo]

Hope the episode name changes to E6 XD

[@bargon2010]

D and d have put out 2 cross over campaigns in the last couple years. Amenket and theros both have modules

[@natejablonski]

Ravnica and Theros do. I don't think Amonkhet does

[@paulonor9410]

Woohoo! Love watching y’all do Cedh week

[@thuggishcone1392]

Every time Tomer complained about Najeela being a may really annoyed me. Wish he'd read thet card full and understand it's a may cause it can give anyone tokens.

[@maxsternburg1956]

33:57 cyclonic rift the sylvan library and buy two turns right?

[@GamerdevilPro]

That doesn't do anything, the combo is already set up, he only needs to draw the snoop and the snoop is on top already. The sylvan library is indeed a problem there since it allows Richard to indefinitely keep Kiki-Jiki on top without actually drawing it, otherwise the proper counterplay would be to just bounce the snoop with the Torch Courier on the stack so that Richard just draws Kiki-Jiki and has it stuck in hand for the foreseeable future. The Brainstorm opened up the additional possibility of just trading Gilded Drake and Recruiter so Richard doesn't actually have a way to kill them since all the Snoop tokens would be tapped.

[@maxsternburg1956]

@@GamerdevilPro But he had 2 other goblins on top before the snoop, therefore if he bounced sylvan library it buys a turn because he doesnt have another way to draw snoop

[@thesp1r1tdragon55]

The reason why some cedh decks play bad lands like tarnished citadel is because they need a so called tainted manabase (no 2 cards with the same name including basics) in order for tainted pact + oracle to work

[@moosewerk356]

I would be fine with Commander clash doing this more often. This is fantastic

[@twoblueuntapped886]

Game 2 spoilers. You've been warned Doesn't Seth have Demonic Tutor in hand? Can't be just Tutor for Thassa's Oracle and win that way since he was already getting Demonic Consultation anyway?

[@My987654321098765432]

Yeah that was 100% doable to guarantee the win with the untap

[@sages10]

Sure could have, that would have been the win. Tutor for oracle, play it, hold priority, and play the demonic consultation and that should be it as no one had answers. With 6 mana available that's no problem. He took the game regardless though so meh, just a more complex way than it needed to be . Still they don't usually play CEDH so I wasn't surprised to see some punts. That being said, they literally had a conversation about how to win that way at the start of the episode so it was kind of funny that he missed it xD

[@imapaincake2305]

He said He wanted to food chain let him food chain ffs

[@JonathanHecht]

A note to Richard about conceding to stifle triggers, this is considered a rude and unsporting move in cedh tables

[@Niuttuc]

In this case, it was conceding to stifle a trigger that shouldn't exist to correct MTGO bugging and allow Tomer to attack normally without risking to exploit a bug, which would also be rude. In normal circumstances, it's rude at most tables, not only cEDH ones.

[@simondiamond9628]

At some tables, when people are just playing for fun, scooping at instant speed can be considered rude. But that is environment/meta dependent. As for "tournament play", whether at an LGS or at a CommandFest, when prizing is on the line, that changes to a good degree. If it's legal, then it's whatever, unless the LGS has a specific policy against it. Generally, only salty people get mad at instant speed scooping, especially if it stops them from winning. And that kind of frame of mind keeps people from looking at a given situation objectively. But it is what it is.

[@AedalinSolaris]

game 2 instead of taking the destiny spinner you could have taken the goblin recruiter and stalled the combo

[@noahmurtha4036]

Literally game 2 I kept yelling at Tomer to just Nixon’s revival something in Richards grave back on top when he tries to combo. Easy peasy

[@robynuwu1631]

Basically every cedh player uses proxies - why should money get in the way of playing such a cool format

[@pareidolicundead8691]

Seth, in game two you should’ve tutored for a fatal push. You would’ve been fine but you played Fyndhorn elves

[@arachnon4785]

Why doesnt cedh use targeted discard like duress, thoughtseize etc

[@DontStopTheHustle]

Not impactful enough

[@TheFeueratem]

One for one card disadvantage for two players on a four player game is too much.

[@arachnon4785]

It just feels that they could easily shutdown a game winning combo with a solid discard spell

[@snedthedead]

@@arachnon4785 it can, and it was run in a lot of decks for a while, but as the format has evolved, it's just better to use your own resources and stack/board control rather than hand disruption on average. There are those decks that use extract effects(such as first sliver here) and those can be used to take apart combos, but even those need to have other utility to be run

[@simondiamond9628]

The usage of targeted discard spells is dependent on the archetype you're playing. In Sidisi ANF (Ad Nauseam Fishbowl), that deck makes use of targeted discard to probe hands prior to playing Ad Nauseam and storming off. Gitrog Dredge makes use of Cabal Therapy and Thoughtseize. Cheaper, powered down versions can use cards like Inquisition of Kozilek, Duress, and others, for a similiar effect. Older lists of Nath Handstax (Nath of the Gilt-Leaf) uses targeted hand hate as well. Targeted handhate is more so used like a "preemptive counterspell" of sorts, if that makes sense.

[@bamjo9]

46:00 Seth could have tutored for thassa oracle and win

[@redstonepro5412]

The first game was quite fummy, but the cool thing is that you can just play another one if that happens

[@MstrKipper]

It would have been better for Tomer to just hold up removal for Snoop and not use the ability right? Since there was no way to give Snoop haste at instant speed and Timer could hold up two removal spells and a counter spell

[@Stroggoii]

Playing (powerful and well built) casual decks against cedh is not as bad idea as you might think because they're so tuned to the meta they can get got by Edgar, or GW Selvala or Golos. You have to rattlesnake it, but it's possible.

[@alaraplatt8104]

49:54 MIND REND BLENDER

[@hugodiazroa]

cEDH episodes are the best Leveled decks and no mtgo failures cuz the client gets bored!

[@oliver5732]

well there was an MTGO fail, but not because the game crashed

[@nicholasrolo886]

I haven't played a game of edh in SIX MONTHS. SIX. MONTHS.

[@go-on-git77]

I love casual but I feel like every player should have a CEDH deck or play CEDH every once in awhile coming from somebody who dabbles in CEDH it definitely makes you a better player

[@justanotherhuman7106]

You guys should do a Licia, sanguine tribune deck built around life gain and a few spicy pieces of equipment. This isn’t a deck I’ve seen on the channel yet and I think it would be really cool

[@bigwig8657]

Does Richard ever lose playing non blue decks on cedh week?

[@ADVBCAT]

Yesss I was hoping you guys would do CEDH again soon!

[@jasonkorf7700]

I see that you guys found a format that Crim can excel at without putting too many lands in his deck. The games were sweet, but it does stink to be Tomer. Everyone wins this week, but him.

[@benjamincarter6095]

Love when y'all play cEDH. Real decks this time. Please do this more often. Different decks do play differently. Consider adding at least one stax deck to the mix next time. I'd love to see someone learn Gitrog too. And you can cut and brew, though changing 6-10 cards can considerably change the way a deck plays.

[@EatTheSkis]

50:50 @Tomer calls it

[@MrOfTheSea]

Seth's best play in game 2 to make sure Richard doesn't win would be to mystical tutor in upkeep for abrupt decay. That guarantees that Richard can't combo off.

[@jonahdunkin4211]

You guys should do a commander clash week where you build decks to see who can crash mtgo the fastest.

[@rctfan7]

In the second game tomer could have taken the recruiter with gilded drake to disrupt the combo.

[@aztecemperor1536]

I hope the next week is a really janky week like Movie or TV show week. Hell maybe an anime week for Dr. Anime

[@silentwatcher5134]

Tomer could have kept game one going if he fetched for a black source, tutored for force of will and pitched cyclonic rift to it.

[@alexjurecki9278]

Turn 2 kills, the way Magic was meant to be played /s

[@Stampee23]

Why did tomer not just take recruiter instead of destiny spinner. Richard wouldn't have been able to reset his library without it to be able to win

[@troya.tellinghuisen619]

Because it's Tomer

[@willpatterson3674]

I'm just here to see some misplays XD

[@MonsterCC]

Play to Win is a dope channel! Check it out!

[@MeriadocMyr]

mindrade blender works as intended, though it is worded weirdly

[@Ricardo-zo1ti]

Nope, it did not. Oracle literally says "Mindblade Render’s ability triggers only once, regardless of how many opponents were dealt damage"

[@MeriadocMyr]

Learned something new today, WotC really needs to work on their syntax. Card this new shouldn't need an oracle text.

[@everydaykronicler9974]

This is S9 Episode 6, not 5

[@brningpyre]

Tieflings are part DEVIL Tomer, not Demon... Jeez~!

[@petrsevcik5044]

Well, DnD's devils are like Magic's demons and vise versa, so... That might be part of why Azra arent Tieflings.

[@Welverin]

@@petrsevcik5044 D&D has demons and devils, and oddly enough daemons.