Commander Clash S9 E9: Sliver Mayhem III | Gameplay | EDH | MTG | Magic the Gathering

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

Sliver Mayhem 1: kzbin.info/www/bejne/m4fSpJdsidOCfZY Sliver Mayhem 2: kzbin.info/www/bejne/imnddn58qa6Bnc0

[@kyled00m]

Tomer: "Rules don't apply to slivers." me: Sliver Overlord "may" say search (tutor), but it is a SLIVER! Rules bypassed! Edit: @1:05:00 I was thinking Tomer's board was looking like Crims and then Crim calls it out on it. I almost spit out my drink.

[@DonovanPresents]

Years ago they used to have life counter abacus cards. Edit: Also, I actually like the humanoid slivers mostly because I started playing MTG around when that set came out so 🤷

[@enersha]

slivers have 2 tails and 1 atm, not the over way around in the thumbnail

[@GokuVHomosexualThoughts]

www.mtggoldfish.com/deck/3391024#paper I created a deck for sliver mayhem.

[@enersha]

excuse me but typical slivers only have 1 arm

[@RyuPlaneswalker]

"I am going to add an addendum to the rules" Richard : "Does that mean it only matters during your main phase." Gotta respect the deep cut.

[@nedcurfman3486]

Crim said that, not Richard

[@mn6334]

@@nedcurfman3486 Richard was the only one that wasn't a part of that conversation...

[@BlackPrince1330]

If this episode has taught me anything, it's that we need to have a Kaldra Week where the goal is for everyone to assemble Kaldra as soon as possible.

[@abheekpandya8717]

When Tomer got that Sliver Queen out he could've instantly generated infinite mana by paying 2 to make a token, tapping it for a mana and then sacking it for mana to pay for the next activation. He then could've used return of the wildspeaker to draw his whole deck and win.

[@parkwilkinson3543]

!punt

[@rosavanopheusden5211]

It was just pointed out to me that Seth could've interacted by saccing Gemhide Sliver to the same effect, so this would not have worked

[@cullenstraut7396]

As someone pointed out, the haste sliver and the mana taping sliver could be sac'd to prevent this

[@parkwilkinson3543]

@@rosavanopheusden5211 but by forcing him to sac it there, the game would have taken a very differnt turn

[@piggy12346]

Yeah, i saw that, and was really hoping that was coming.. Sadly disappointing. Especially when the other 2 teferi'd out.

[@natejablonski]

"What are the odds that Richard and Crim both had Teferi's Protection in their hand?" It's Richard and Crim. At least 70%

[@Spike-kg5rd]

that cascade trigger might've been the single greatest moment in commander clash history

[@5corponok]

I think the game where a Gonti trigger stole Tomer's Helm of Kaldra was better.

[@MrSuper15]

Commandeer into Stripmine on C. Clash 29.

[@ExKiwi-yw8er]

Crim gets a gold star for the kaldra thing, tomer's reaction was priceless. I really hope we get a real card for kaldra in commnder legends or something, that would be amazing.

[@DodoSwe]

They say no cards that say "search your library for X" Proceeds to play fetch lands which meet their definition of a tutor. I love that tomer calls them out on it

[@MFewwy]

Agreed, this is bull hockey!

[@VRanger100]

1:06:40 This may be the greatest clip in the whole episode for me. Crim you are amazing.

[@Fromaginator]

Love being able to have notifications on for specifically the commander content and seeing commander clash on Friday not Saturday the midnight (in Atlantic Canada) release switching to noon is great!

[@sofer2230]

1:06:39 What I'd pay to see Tomer's face at this moment.

[@michaelcho6484]

HOLY CRAP Crim is just dabbin on the ultimate hater. XDXDXD IM IN TEARS

[@indolent87]

Thank you for the timestamp, this is a truly priceless moment :D

[@TheWinterPhoenix]

I love that these episodes come out so early now

[@daredewley9231]

Same

[@DarkneszFalls]

On the contrary I hate it. It was always nice to have them at the top of my feed before I went to bed.

[@MrShinyObject]

That shield of kaldra reveal was absolutely amazing. The way Tomer turns silent mid-word, then the moment of silence, then what can only be described as, well, mayhem.

[@shamizy]

Kaldra reveal off the Cascade was legendary. One of the best Commander Clash moments of all time!

[@caladbolg777]

That Kaldra flip. I'm laughing so much I'm dehydrating myself. This is such a great episode! Crim with the expert level trolling omfg hahahaha.

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

Alright friends, Humanoid Slivers redesign? Better or worse than original slivers?

[@kaszael]

100% worse

[@brandondrake4609]

Definitely wirse

[@sethchapman1425]

I don't care. I was fine with it. Evolution happens.

[@TheHuntersKnife]

Worse

[@TheChibidono]

I guess you could justify it with sliver evolution but it seems like a downgrade from the perfect sliver form.

[@spookymoblin8888]

"Most decks are going to be quite similar" Excuse me Tomer, but one of them is called "Sliver me Timbers" and I think that pun needs a space to be noted there specifically.

[@lanaalways]

I emphasize with you Tomer

[@lanaalways]

Basal lmao

[@georgemcgee2437]

Empathize is the word you are looking for but totally!

[@Zetimenvec]

Thank you for moving your commander content to its own channel. I'm so happy I can actually subscribe to your channel without being bombarded with deck techs, spoiler spam and other content that simply doesn't interest me.

[@josephwest1791]

Oh man there was an out Seth had for game 1. In response to Return of the Wildspeaker Seth could have sacked his Sliver Legion using Basal Sliver's ability making Tomer only draw seven cards not his whole deck.

[@jewpcabra666]

15:46 - "We can *really* hit tomer" - I love you crim

[@BunningsJimhouse]

That game one, chef's kiss, beautiful, you love to see it

[@piguy5684]

I like to imagine that every time MTGO crashes, it is just diverting all its computing power from that game to a Sliver Mayhem game.

[@stevenyukabacera160]

The whole server room is shaking and sparks are flying everywhere

[@Jesin00]

1:29:46 That exasperated "I just wanna get Kaldra!" - by trying to destroy the Tomer, he becomes the Tomer.

[@Zentenski]

This episode was truly hilarious, and I really needed that today. Thank you for always keeping our spirits up every week!

[@King-Bubel]

I love Seth saying "we have to team up to take down the cheaty sliver players" while he has a cheaty sliver in his hand and on the battlefield.

[@T_Peazy]

Okay guys: Lore wise, the slivers were experimented on and started rapidly evolving. They were left alone for a while and when they were reintroduced to the storyline they had evolved to have humanoid characteristics. So there were TWO populations of slivers: the experiment ones and the native ones. Thats why the "new" slivers only pump your slivers.

[@joshuaritter9747]

The double teferi’s protection is amazing

[@Skywarp2099]

Some friends and I all proxied up sliver decks and played them against each other at my LGS. The store owner put a fun wager on the game as to who would win because he knew what was going to happen. About midway through the game, I drop a Harmonic, Enchanted Evening, Greater Auramancy, and Mirrormade. The rest of the game was a careful political standoff, reminiscent of a cold war, where the first act of aggression lead to someone's lands being nuked. XD

[@MrTandtrollet]

@31:12 Tomer could just go for the win and make infinite slivers, or force Richrd to sac his haste sliver at least.

[@StonedVorlon]

Seth also had a haste sliver. The only way it could be stopped is if Seth sacrificed Gemhide before Tomer got down Mana Echoes. Not to mention the Teferi's Protection and AEtherize in Crim and Seth's hands respectively. Glad someone else saw it though.

[@argonnas2]

Why didnt seth just sac legion in resp to the return?

[@Cr1ms0nW0lf]

I always root for you Tomer! Assemble that Kaldra, be the hero we need!

[@godtiermtg]

1:40:00 Crim could've sacrificed his commander and kept recasting it with the mana echoes mana, allowing him to cascade over and over until he inevitably hits Kaldra.

[@darkkitsune7757]

This was pure and utter Chaos and I loved it

[@Zetimenvec]

Basal, pronounced BAY-ZULL, means an attribute, feature or quality that is common to or shared between all members of a group. This usually is used in a biological sense, but it doesn't have to be. Examples are things like "Exposed skin is basal to human" and "mouths are basal to animals" and "photosynthesis is basal to plants", but it can be applied to more abstract things like "symbols are basal to written language" or "empathy is basal to relating to someone"

[@Zetimenvec]

Basil, pronounced BAY-ZILL, is a herb/spice used in food. It's not related to basal, or basalt.

[@adambrandt9113]

Two statements: 1) I support fetchlands here 2) I support Richard camera occasionally, since he always wins

[@jfb-]

Haven't watched it yet but I'm guessing the winner will be modo

[@dethmunki4909]

I love the Tomer point of view! You're the commander guy. Screw those other guys lol

[@shorty1815]

Hail to the algorithm! Love your stuff!

[@nmstorz]

Tomer could have gone infinite when he played sliver queen. He taps basal and telekinetic sliver for 2 mana, makes a sliver token, then taps that token for 1 mana, and sacrifices it for 2 black, then spending the black to make another token, netting 1 mana in the process. With infinite mana, he can make infinite slivers with haste, and kill everyone

[@esrohm6460]

but seth could of saced the mana sliver and now the sliver don make 3 mana and you cant respond to that because it's a cost to sac

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

@@esrohm6460 Yes, or Richard sacs the haste sliver.

[@Nightcorehardy]

@@MTGGoldfishCommander but in response couldn't you sac your 2 slivers to make 4 Mana and keep the combo going or is it considered a Mana ability

[@joshuavenable8848]

@@MTGGoldfishCommander @Noah Storz The way to go infinite there isn't from that, but from mana echoes providing the mana. You need to have basal sliver tapped for mana and sacrificed before other people gain priority, or you'd lose the needed abilities to gain enough mana, and have haste to one turn kill. However, basal sliver's ability is a mana ability, so doesn't use the stack, and it's also a cost, so sacrifice happens first, and the I'm fairly sure that other people can't sacrifice anymore. You'd also need to tap and sacrifice telekinetic sliver for mana. Of course, harmonic sliver is also annoying, because you need to keep that ability from sliver's entering the battlefield on the stack while resolving the infinite slivers.

[@genbu2870]

Yeah, Sedge Sliver is a retake of Sedge Troll A wonderful creature in the Old-school format and insane piece for the Troll Disco deck

[@fenixmeaney6170]

I could just see tomer's face when crim cascaded into shield of kaldra

[@DoctorPhanan]

The search your library cards that aren't tutors: Strata Scythe, Grim Reminder, Mana Severance, Myr Incubator, and Trench Gorger. Honorable mentions manipulate fate, foresight, endless horizon, selective memory, panglacial wurm, clarion ultimatum (and its ilk)

[@Zaeylo]

Just going to say this again, I love that goldfish commander has its own channel! Commanders the only format I care about and I kept missing your awesome content because it got lost in the other channel.

[@tylerfoster2814]

This is the perfect game of Magic. Richard Garfield is pleased.

[@knytetech7732]

At 28:00 when Tomer cast Sliver Queen he could have won on the spot. He could've tapped his 2 slivers for mana, made a sliver, tapped the new sliver for 1 mana, sacrificed it for 2 more, and made another sliver, with 1 extra mana floating. He repeats this process, and gets infinite mana of every color, and infinite slivers with haste.

[@alphonse2234]

Would field of ruin cause a draw since everyone has to search? Everyone loses.

[@AlexanderTome]

Your playgroup’s relationship with card names is infuriating and endearing.

[@karlnord1429]

Getting Richard or Crim POV is great. (We get Seth once in a while already.) You do a good job highlighting things Tomer, but it is fun to spread it around.

[@sethchapman1425]

Personally they should rotate when it is their turn.

[@benjaminsouthworth5698]

I want to see a Crim pov, and tittle the episode "4th land waiting room" XD

[@TheOdinsLance]

Thank you for you blood sacrifice, we are appeased.

[@VonBearsTube]

I think Tomer could have gone off the same turn he played sliver queen, if he was ok with going 'all in', and Seth and Richard don't see it coming and doesn't sac Gemhide or Heart soon enough. Seth was still reluctant to do this later, so this MIGHT have happened... I definitely could be missing something but if you look at 28:26 1) Tap Basal + Telekinetic for red 2) Sac telekinetic for BB (RRBB in pool) 3) Cast mana echoes (if Seth sacs Gemhide here, Tomer's out of luck though) 4) Tap queen for green (or whatever) and sac basal (BBG in pool) 5) Activate queen (G in pool) 6) Token comes in, I think both triggers are Tomer's since the sliver has text from Harmonic, so he can have the mana echoes resolve first.Only the queen is still in play when the token comes in, so he gains one mana. (1G in pool) 7) This puts him back to 2 mana while the Harmonic Sliver trigger is still on the stack, so he can start smashing out as many slivers as he wants. 8) All his mana is colorless, but Heart Sliver is still in play on Richard's board, so all these tokens can tap for mana as well. So smash out a few hundred tokens and make a couple dozen mana of each color. 9) Do the Wildspeaker + morophon + whatever sequencing. Crim would live as long as he Teferi's at the right time (probably in response to either Wildspeaker or Lavabelly), but you still could have 'gone off' even with Harmonic in play. A really risky line but he wasn't 100% locked just because Harmonic was on the board. Unless I missed something, lol.

[@VRanger100]

You have to admire the true abacus point Tomer has on Crim for exiling the Kaldra piece face-down. Back when Seth Commandeered + Strip Mine Tomer, it didn't garner as much animosity as this. #BringBackAbacus

[@MeriadocMyr]

The lore reason for the sliverr was that they started adapting humans, which increased their intelligence. Which also gives a little lore reason why they only help your slivers.

[@DrPeckers]

Tomer, run Commander:Thrun the Last Troll, and all the Carnage Tyrant variants in MtG history. Crim will be a huge fan of that deck!

[@SuenteusPi]

Mnemonic Sliver in game two meant Crim could've just drawn his deck in game 2, the Kaldra win was deterministic once he had infinite mana/slivers

[@onlyRicky_x]

It's like eating too of junk food. You think it's a good idea at the time but after you're done you promise yourself never again but of course later on you come up with that "good" idea again. A never ending cycle lol.

[@enricogobbo7327]

Crim revealing kaldra totally got me😂😂

[@kevine488]

So at the end of the last game, Crim could've infinitely sacc'd his Sliver Legion using Necrotic Sliver, targeting whatever, and kept casting it with infinite colorless mana thanks to Morphon, which would've eventually let him cascade into Sword of Kaldra. Still a very hilarious game regardless.

[@broganmccanna3008]

Tomer could potentially go infinite with a Lavabelly Sliver. He taps the Basal, Telekinetic, and Queen for 3, sacs the Telekinetic to make it a total of 5 mana, puts 4 of it into Queen, making two slivers for 1, with an extra mana available.

[@VinegarAndSaltedFries]

This is amazing. Love the new channel.

[@benjamincumming3371]

Haven't even watched yet but in so hyped for this!!

[@nicholasrolo886]

I don't normally turn on notification settings but I'll definitely do the dingle dingle

[@babassoonist557]

I always interpreted the m14 slivers as slivers that evolved, the kind the dominarian vedalkin will eventually control in the future.

[@rkbmcb]

14:06 - Seth is correct. That word is pronounced that way. It's an adjective that describes things that form the bottom or base layer of something.

[@PieBandit]

wait. wait. WAIT. Seth pronounced something correctly?

[@rkbmcb]

@@PieBandit Incredibly, yes!

[@isostat16]

Also, the monolith they were talking about is called *Basalt* monolith, with a "T" at the end.

[@codenameduckfin]

Sliver Mayham IV needs to be a different Sliver commander for each player. I believe there's 5 now? Also, Tomer's correct - Fetchlands are tutors.

[@johnryoung4558]

The Basal Sliver's ability is a reference to Basal Thrull from Fallen Empires, which is a creature you could sac for BB.

[@ms.sysbit5511]

The three Kaldra pieces were in each one set of Mirrodin block. The corresponding piece is also the set’s symbol. Sword-Mirrodin Shield-Darksteel Helm-Fifth Dawn

[@stevenyukabacera160]

It really is funny that the sets built Kaldra up so much, given how useless it ultimately was in both story and gameplay.

[@francescogulisano2917]

I like humanoid slivers, mainly because they were the first slivers I knew about, but I can understand why people were upset

[@urpalalis]

I don't remember if it was specifically mentioned in the video (not quite done watching yet), but it seems like banning mana echoes or sliver queen would do some good for the next sliver week. easy infinites feels against the spirit of the "crash modo" vibe, and it just feels sacky with no tutors. either way tho, good video like always. laughed out loud a lot at a bunch of richard's sarcastic comments.

[@zasshulad2619]

When Tomer played sliver queen he can tap then sac both Telekinetic sliver and Basal Sliver in that order to produce RRBBBB and play mana echos for 4 using the 2 spare to make a token off sliver queen which will generate 1 with mana echos then tap said sliver token to make another sliver token which will then generate 2 to then go Infinite.

[@jackhaste62]

My suggestion for the next Sliver Week: You each pick a 2 color Commander at random. In the deck, you must have at least 40 Slivers. Then you fight.

[@amunra13]

I like the shard like slivers, but I also love the Predator slivers

[@timcoberley16]

Hilarious moment of Seth properly and correctly pronouncing Basal sliver... well, closer than anyone else lol. Basal pronounced like Basil but more snakey.. less like a z sound. 🤣

[@NightKev]

MTGO might have survived if crim only attacked with 3 slivers in the second game at the end, he didn't need to attack with more than one per player.

[@jammish9802]

1:03:06 As a counter argument, I was taught magic through me and my friend getting one of the old sliver precon decks each.

[@bahumat9853]

I was honestly surprised there was not First Sliver commanders over the Legions. Break the game with massive cascades!

[@otisnt5718]

Finally Crim sees the wonders of Kaldra

[@rkbmcb]

As an aside, when Crim got Mana echoes, he could have sacrificed his Commander to make everyone discard, recast it with Morophon and Mana Echoes mana and cascaded until he got Sword of Kaldra.

[@manuelaguilartirado8674]

Oh yes, reviving a classic of classics

[@danlewis7707]

Kaldra Week: Instead of everyone just having to play Kaldra; Seth: has to attack each combat or he can't win, and he must force Tomer to draw a card if he is to attack Tomer Richard: has to win by the 6th turn, can't do it except by combat and has to attack Seth or Crim befor Tomer, or he can't win. Tomer: cannot attack Seth or Crim until he has attacked Richard and must assemble Kaldra and hit Crim or he cannot win. Everyone still has to play Kaldra in their deck.

[@aleavilestv]

Commander Clash in two words: Bully Tomer

[@solarraine4902]

Yeah. It's kind of annoying. That and all of the constant house-rule breaking. Mana Drains and Wheel of Fortunes all getting played despite them being explicitly banned.

[@MrShinyObject]

Crim is very giggly, but I don't know if I've ever heard Richard laugh that hard.

[@LisimPlays]

I cant wait foe spellbtable sliver mayhem

[@toniarnaiz2322]

Tomer you had the win when you played sliver queen. Tap the token for mana, they have haste, sac it for 2 black, make another token. That nets you 3 mana you can amke infinite tokens.

[@Niuttuc]

Either Richard or Seth could have sacced the mana sliver or the haste sliver to stop it.

[@Vininn126]

basal (US, also) IPA(key): [ˈbeɪzəɫ] (BAY-zuhl) - the adjective form of base, elementary

[@zachhannah8927]

I think the most humor comes out of Tomer's board perspective. Seth and I have similar playstyles when it comes to casual, so his perspective is welcome as well. We never, (rarely during tutors,) get Richard's POV so I don't have much to go by. Crim and I are opposite playstyles, which can be frustrating to watch. (I still like Crim, I just don't like his commander style.)

[@rkbmcb]

I shall sacrifice a coax cable to the KZbin gods for their appeasement.

[@joshuaburchett7508]

I love Sliver decks going against each other

[@danlewis7707]

39:21 ! Greatness achieved.

[@RyuPlaneswalker]

I feel Tomer left out the important part "Then Kaldra died" given that Nissa had to slam a Sun/Moon/Gigantic Ball of mana into it.

[@dantebeleren]

Glissa not Nissa

[@RyuPlaneswalker]

@@dantebeleren Yeah, my mistake names were too close together.

[@dantebeleren]

@@RyuPlaneswalker and to be fair,, both are Planeswalker Elves who went on an adventure to save their planes

[@jenius00]

Since there were 4 people who didn't know: sin·ew /ˈsinyo͞o/ noun a piece of tough fibrous tissue uniting muscle to bone or bone to bone; a tendon or ligament.

[@petrsevcik5044]

The mutualy assured destruction week

[@fateweaver9]

All hail the KZbin algorithm!

[@jesusmunoz6372]

Slivers one of my favorite tribes. Top 3 easy.

[@royalcollectables]

3.Slivers 2.Knights 1.Vampires

[@jesusmunoz6372]

Elves 1 Goblins 2 Slivers 3 and for some reason I really like myr.

[@arthurkeech]

Both having teferi's protection. That's incredible.

[@arthurkeech]

oh my god. Crim playing Kaldra. That's amazing

[@johnleddon4475]

Tonight I learned that if Grip of Chaos triggers on a "target opponent" card, but you only have one opponent, MODO breaks

[@justanotherfpsplayer]

when tomer played sliver queen they had a way to make infinite mana since they could tap the token for 1 mana of any colour and sac the token for 2 black, they had won the game but missed it. This brought me true pain

[@MTGGoldfishCommander]

Both Seth and Richard would have stopped it by sac'ing the haste sliver or mana sliver.

[@justanotherfpsplayer]

fair, although that sounds like a good trade off since they're opening up their boards more

[@Zentenski]

1:06:45 I gasped out loud, I was so shocked and appaled at the nerve of Crim. The disrespect!

[@MrTandtrollet]

So many punts... @37:15 Richard and Crim can just sac their shroud slivers and tap down Seth's attackers.

[@goelandz878]

Didn't tomer had the "win" (They couldn't attack if haste sliver is sac) at 27:47? 1) Tap the Basal for R 2) Tap the telekinetic for R 3) Sac the telekinetic 4) Play Mana Echoes 5) Using the 5 land cast Sliver queen 6) Queen enter the battlefield, it add CC 7) Tap/Sac sliver, and generate infinite mana. Since each sliver add 3+ With echoe and BB with sac. That line even work if they sacrifice their haste sliver in response nah? Or I am missing something?