Commander VS S14E5: Lord Windgrace VS Saheeli VS Aminatou VS Estrid [EDH]

More Magic The Gathering Videos!
Decklists: articles.starc...
Check out the latest TCG news and info!
Get the latest SCGCON updates here! scgcon.starcit...
Save big with this week’s sale: starcitygames....
Get the latest MTG cards: starcitygames....
Get MTG news, strategy, and deals delivered to your inbox: starcitygames....
More Magic: The Gathering Videos!
- Commander VS: bit.ly/3rSsT5b
- Upgrades: bit.ly/3vOJxUt
Like us on Facebook: / starcitygames
Follow us on Twitter: / starcitygames
Follow us on Instagram: / starcitygames
Always buying singles/sealed products and store inventories at starcitygames.com
For business inquiries, email [e-mail]
Star City Games is the world's premier TCG retailer & event organizer.

[@mrmeglomania]

Trustworthiness order, from most to least: 1) Director Kyle 2) Intern Rob 3) Jeremy 4) Everyone else

[@DarthTUK]

But is it really trust if you can't be sure you have all the right tokens?

[@MWorl91]

Jakub Schiffel You can always be sure that whatever the first token you try to make won’t be there

[@CortanaX]

5) Stephen

[@lracseroom8286]

Justin: "Stephen, if you betray me..." Suarez: *Snort laughs* Suarez knows what's up.

[@sjoerd972]

The typical end to Jeremy's turn: "What are you doing there, with all that mana open?" Honest response generally is: "Nothing"

[@ultiplayer1]

@1:49:06 this is brilliant. Seconds before Jon waved his hand over all Justin's attacking lands and said, "this is 38". Then he drops this gem, "Which lands are attacking me?" To which Justin replies, "all of them." Classic :)

[@ForeverLaxx]

The Doubling Season + Saga interaction was explained on Wizards' site when they put up an article explaining Dominaria mechanics. In short, you should have gotten the effects of both Chapter 1 and 2 for the played Saga. Not that that really would have meant much in this case.

[@Itjustgotserious]

Imk

[@ronmarshall8710]

Binging! This got to be my second favorite episode everybody is in their element! We miss you Justin🧟‍♂️hope everything's going well!!!!!!!

[@derpymushroom3877]

Jeremy seems proud of his change in strategy, from playing big dumb things every turn, to doing nothing on everyone else’s

[@TiredDad2019]

Lord wind grace if you have no cards in hand still lets you draw a card on the plus 1. It is not an if you do ability. It is discard a card draw a card or two of a land was discarded. Discard is not part of the cost.

[@venchergaming]

You have to discard. You cant discard. Means you cant do the thing to then do the other thing. It is a step. If you cant do the step you cant continue. Thats like saying if you had to exile a creature then draw, you can draw because you have no creatures. The language is clear.

[@DeusAsmoth]

@@venchergaming That's not how that works. If it were exile target creature then draw, the ability wouldn't work without a target. Windgrace doesn't target, so you can use the ability and draw even if nothing is discarded.

[@0000Mattheus0000]

@@venchergaming From Gatherer rulings: 7/13/2018 - If you have no cards in hand as Lord Windgrace’s first ability resolves, you’ll discard nothing then you’ll draw one card.

[@charyou3167]

@@venchergaming well the language is clear you are right about that. You were just wrong about everything else

[@blahblah14]

Just FYI for John, his metamorph could copy other things if sacc'd to forgemaster. The Daretti emblem creates individual delayed triggers, they don't all come back at once, just a matter of stacking them correctly. Also felt like John could have won the game several turns in a row if he just ulted the saheeli.

[@aarong2606]

I'm a big fan of Jeremy having a swords to plowshares and letting the Kuldotha Forgemaster lose summoning sickness with a Daretti emblem....WAT

[@YaoBao1]

Not to mention wiping the board of creatures exactly the turn where all the artifact player's planeswalkers would've been severely wounded, thus giving him a chance to explode away to a dominating position

[@armorwings]

22:34

[@lagavulinmtg5120]

Hero

[@prestonroe268]

Thank you

[@Steve-vj5hg]

If you cycle a land with Gitrog out shouldn't you draw two cards not one?

[@nicdigregorio9746]

If Suarez has a channel I'm subbing... 1st video i watch of you guys he runs Jin-G (my first commander deck)... 2nd video i watch he runs Zur (im working on a Zur deck right now).... anf 3rd video is this deck where he runs Saheeli (my friends and i all bought pre cons a couple weeks ago and i played Saheeli!) Suarez is my hero

[@nupidkid1530]

2:38:52 wouldn't detention sphere exile all the tokens? They were all named elematal.

[@snakeman830]

Yes it would.

[@liamw.1313]

Great spot! Hard to remember that tokens don't have names sometimes

[@poipoi9816]

I'm going to go follow director kyle now, that challenge is monstrous.

[@createchannel3542]

In my closet I have a shrine of Stephen green milling Justin

[@brningpyre]

One day, there will be a news program on all these weird shrines to Justin that non-Magic players just don't understand. My Justin shrine has "He Who Dies First" in cut up magazine letters across the top.

[@lracseroom8286]

I spoke to Justin once on Reddit and suggested it would be hilarious for him to mill Stephen. He seemed strangely intrigued.

[@Lucarioguild7]

Create Channel I think every Commander VS fan does tbh

[@IcenhardMtgO]

Man! This 3 hours gaming passed through it was 30 min. Awesome game!

[@thomaskauffman250]

.....why does Jon's image show a different number of points than what Justin said?

[@eyescrossedFTW]

This. Very confusing, is he first or tied for second with Jeremy?

[@Zaiko079]

At 1:56:20 when Jon asks about the daretti emblem, the answer is that each artifact put into the graveyard has its own delayed trigger, therefor each artifact comes back one at a time and he can stack it so the metamorph comes back last. If this question was answered before the end of this video please ignore this comment

[@megaman161]

18:30 That freaking submitted art XD 58:43 Was John under the impression that he didn't get to copy his mana rocks? 2:49:25 Oh. Oh dear.

[@cwilli8937]

deck idea for next season. Entirely built with reprints, no single printing cards including the commander.

[@NightKev]

That's going to effectively be a "play with mostly older cards" restriction, since the longer a card has been around the more likely it's been reprinted. If it were only cards that weren't ever reprinted it might be more interesting, it should be a smaller card pool with probably more unique effects.

[@stayathomedad4830]

I used to like Gameknights more than commander vs. Ever since Gk started only promoting wotc products i stopped watching. You guys have great commander games and now all i watch is you guys for just some fun edh. Facts.

[@yscg-4277]

I personally never liked them because of how they shorten the videos and all the effects and stuff get annoying after a while Mtgmuddstah is better for speedy edh gameplay but star city is best for interactive edh games imo

[@TCG9777]

Gameknights for production- which is what makes it so enjoyable for me. Because of that, videos dont come up as often as one would want and I understand your dismay at plug-in sponsors in the middle of a video but you seem to not understand that the games are but a mini segment in their channel's agenda. They do other things and probably keep the content going for a living. Muddstah for fast gameplay- Weekly uploads and fast editing makes the games cut out what may be hours of chatter and just cuts to the point. Great content when all you want is what happens at the table with no time a waste. SCG for chibi animals and raw footage- recently found out out this channel. Love the gameplay and commentary! With it being primarily raw gameplay with a real game's run time it can drag on and if one doesn't have the full time to dedicate to the full length it is a bit troublesome but this is what I expect from an edh game!

[@comradecameron3726]

GK just plugs every ad for mtg under the sun. Star city games I like watching because I like how they just goof around in general. Muddstah is the best channel for good fast games.

[@TCG9777]

@@comradecameron3726 ads aren't a problem

[@Devin-oh7gr]

Legendary creature podcast has been working on their game play vids ive been enjoying those as well.

[@ultiplayer1]

@40:12 Jeremy missed out on a point of damage with the Pilgrim's Eye. He could have attacked with it before blinking it.

[@anthonycastaneda1331]

Was working on some other stuff while watching. *looks over* Jeremy has a commander’s sphere and a single creature. *look over 30min later* Jeremy has a commander’s sphere and a different single creature. *looks over another hour later* Jeremy STILL has a commander’s sphere and a DIFFERENT single creature.

[@bigfatmac92]

48 mins in the big trigger pile starts. Huge flaw. And correct me if I'm wrong. But, your creature can have hexproof/protection from creatures/protection from colors. That does not mean you can no longer do anything to target it yourself. It is YOUR creature being targeted by your own spells therefore it is completely capable of being targeted by you and no one else. ***Just looked up the ruling for hexproof. You can target your own spells that gave hexproof. Only opponents cannot target them soooo wouldn't the same be for protection? If so that was a HUGE misplay forced on Stephen and he could have hit for massive damage.

[@WaterWeDoing50]

You know Arixmethes doesn't force the counter to be removed, it is a may, so Steven never needed to bounce him

[@createchannel3542]

Can we see these guys play a DND campaign?!?

[@JustinBarlow]

Jeremy played with some of the MTG Goldfish folks in an Innistrad campaign. The series is called Collective Voyage

[@trustI17]

Also Jeremy Dm'd a Ravnica themed one shot with Stephen Green as a player.

[@lracseroom8286]

I fail to see how Stephen is going to be able to mill Justin if they do that.

[@werewolf8994]

Y'all got any of them keywords to find the Jeremy Dming video if there is one

[@trustI17]

@@werewolf8994 kzbin.info/www/bejne/Y6WWeneebLR-hbM Here is the direct link.

[@mikelteson1342]

I really like the set commander games cant wait #Teamgreen

[@Mr.Titanic]

Bouncing Arixmethes was unnecessary. Removing the Slumber counters is a may ability, thus optional. He could have remained a land as long as Stephen wanted.

[@unclestumpy2429]

Someone needs to turn that image of Jeremy into a playmat

[@NerdPhil]

I thought Justin was going to win when we played a billion lands in one turn. I was excited and my dreams were crushed. #teamparnell

[@joshuajacobyap6222]

What was Jon talking about Rude Awakening about the lands that came into play on the turn it was cast? Why won't the cards turn to creatures?

[@tristanpatrick8132]

I think for one episode Y'all should play unconvitional decks that you usually wouldn't play like Justin would play a mill deck, Stephen would play a graveyard or sacrifice base deck, Jeremy would play like an agro red deck, and John would play a Rampey big dumb stuff deck.

[@admanios]

2:38:53 It appears Stephen named "Elemental" with Detention Sphere. That would have exiled all permanents with the same name, including the Elementals that Titania makes and the ones that Zendikar's Roil makes. Not that it mattered at that point in the game, but it's an important rules interaction.

[@tetrisgoat]

Estrid is my favourite commander. It took a lot of time for me to warm up to her, but boy am I enjoying it. I am going to love this episode.

[@shawnaustin1037]

Poor Justin and his random objective. It was kinda hard to see what they all said since the lettering was kinda small. I couldn't read the last word of Jeremy's objective.

[@mikem2808]

i think he can do it with ezuri

[@Jinthesleeper]

Pointing this out, cause the rest BSed Stephen out of a strong attack with Estrid. −7: Put the top seven cards of your library into your graveyard. Return all non-Aura enchantment cards from your graveyard to the battlefield, then do the same for Aura cards. - which means First effect resolves THAN auras come into play. The semicolon and THEN makes the first effect trigger and resolve followed by the 2nd effect to trigger and resolve. Even before he used it they stated "It's so you can enchant anything that's coming into play if you want."

[@jamesnoon6745]

Sweet, been waiting for this one!

[@voldemort008]

1:19:45 Removing a slumber counter from Arixmethes is optional. There is no need to bounce it.

[@bosh1028]

man jeremy really isn't very good at deck building or politics lol, but he makes a lot of cool references so its all good

[@jafartheminotaur7142]

Honestly not dissing Wes but I think Jeremy fits better in with the group and is more interesting.

[@thekillerfroggy]

4:40: "I want a mask to put on right now." - Stephen Green Be careful what you wish for!

[@Tylervg]

2:31:15 How was Justin able to Ult the Nissa immediately?

[@DemonWolf100]

56:46 How Stephen feels about trusting Justin

[@Zackeus1992]

49:40. Why would you not copy the land enchantment, enchant Rec sage, make Aura Gnarlid a 40/40 (5/5->10/10->20/20->40/40) and attack someone unblockably.

[@juliusmarty9842]

Would have been a quick death and where's the fun in that? :D

[@Zackeus1992]

Points? Winning? Revenge? They only killed Stephen early last time.

[@MarvelOfRain]

He just misplayed, put the aura on Gnarlid and didn't realize that the Aura will prevent it from being doubled by the colossus. Also sometimes it is better to leave the most threating players to kill each other (especially if it is hard to attack you). If he had taken out either Justin or John the other one would probably have enough resources to outvalue and/or kill him. However, because he didn't Justin punched John with Rude Awakening and John punched back for a lot and played the Chaos Warp that could have been used to kill the Sphere of Safety otherwise.

[@juliusmarty9842]

I agree. he obviously misplayed or just didn't see the combo working as better as it should have worked.

[@dlvyn123]

"there aren't many cards that just allow you to put extra lands in play" oh justin, if only you could've known

[@yorkazord319]

1:56:00 he can resolve the triggers to return something such as the guilded lotus THEN the metamorph to get it to copy the lotus. they dont know how triggered abilities work i guess

[@pedroaquino4571]

"He is large and in charge"... and instantly completed the sentence with LATRIIIICE ROYAALE... rofl

[@francescogulisano2917]

Is Justin a Rhystic studies fan?

[@BelzaBob]

Jon's music references are great

[@darrenhunter3007]

20:30 Display says John and Jeremy are tied with 13 points each, yet Justin has just explained that John is in the lead with 14 points. Director Kyle, come on, we expect greatness from you! :)

[@theburzon8719]

Cant wait for dragon lair episode

[@airkami]

Awesome art made for the show!

[@Eclipse8502]

There should be a hidden role where you know the other player’s roles, and your job is to stop them!

[@toddherink4234]

Johnathan doesn't have any flyers in the deck to kuldotha into to save his life?

[@jnorthey9]

totem armor doesn't work with planeswalkers, except if they are destroyed by a spell such as dreadbore

[@so8023]

For some reason, every episode I choose to watch - Jeremy is always doing nothing.

[@Nharzhool]

Ah, so I see that you've watched all the episodes.

[@ultiplayer1]

@1:41:00 Jeremy missed an attack with Mulldrifter before blinking it.

[@dev559]

27:40 The plus here is very debatable. You have 2 lands in graveyard.

[@jacobharris2129]

Woop woop! Been waiting for this one for a minute now! #TeamGold #SuarezSmash

[@Joshbobjovi]

"Someone cheat for me!" Unfortunately we can't all reach in and roll your planeswalkers up twice in a turn lol

[@christianbradford6205]

Stephen played estrid and put her into play with 5 counters and plused to 7 when she enters with only 3

[@Michael-Hammerschmidt]

2:45:43 Or the... Stochastic Stadium!

[@TheNerindil]

An hour in and everyone is still at ~40. The durdle is strong with these decks.

[@Randomsome1]

Damn it Justin, you just outted my secret Windgrace tech! Now it's going to cost more than $1 and I need to rush to finish my deck =[

[@robertmitchell8597]

Video too long.... What was the tech?

[@adammorin2955]

it would have been funny if someone had a rout when Justin had an army of land creatures

[@mitchellbaker4847]

Card catcher is still missing lots, t2 suarez plays mindstone, t3 suarez plays burried ruin, jeremy plays something. Etc... I remeber when non basic lands were shown, was alot better when cards were shown straight away in the catcher not on a 4 second delay.

[@stevoyah]

my assumption with Jeremy's deck its all reactionary creatures which is what you would with aminotau - focus. But goodness this was a durdly game but good

[@alexpeterson1167]

I want to see an episode where every card in the deck has a different set symbol

[@bjarkov12]

1:38:12 Green casts Estrid, then proceeds to uptick her loyalty twice in the same turn. Ultimates next turn and eventually wins the game

[@GuyrillaBraun]

So quick question, where can someone get the tokens that say like "Khans" "Dragons" "Eternal" on them? those are super neat.

[@jua3000]

I believe those are self-made

[@dantebeleren]

For a live stream this game had an amazing amount of obvious misplays not called out.

[@eyescrossedFTW]

Stephen (probably unintentionally) cheated at 37:30, Arixmethes is meant to enter tapped Edit: Never mind, thanks Director Kyle

[@BloodyScythe666]

that windgrace decks looks sweet

[@combatmystic1743]

With the kraken you may remove a counter you don’t have to

[@23matip]

1:51:20 I'm pretty sure that Jon could have killed Justin in the next turns with Bosh + Daretti Emblem + Mana Rocks

[@vincenzoorasi2498]

Is there a list for Jeremy's personal version of the aminatou deck? The one without budget restrictions. Been trying to make her work for a while, would like to take a peek :)

[@RyuPlaneswalker]

Do note at the end of the Video he said he was considering taking it apart because it hasn't worked well.

[@PortestdorFlamvoldt]

I have an animatou deck that focuses on her plus rather than her minus and had fantastic results. Kinda like a singleton version of legacy miracles pre top ban, so every non-red/green miracle, top, counterbalance, top-of-deck tutors like vamp/mystical/OG liliana, then stuff that lets me cheat top of deck into play like djinn of wishes, and a bit of flicker tech to make huge value but not loads of slots dedicated to it

[@nickvencill7752]

I kinda split the difference between the + and the -. Lots of great etb stuff, mostly for cardadvantage, but also all the miracles worth playing and stuff like Yannett that interacts with the top.

[@benjiray1995]

Okay, I just want to know which episode the zombie event that Stephen won’t let go was

[@ryanmartin756]

It was a Halloween special

[@joesamsally]

@1:55:45 I think john is kinda wishing he had floated mana on lotus / metamorph and sacked them to forgemaster instead

[@ReinJGaming]

How justin ulti's nissa upon playing?

[@jua3000]

Doubling Season

[@panthersfan3168]

Decklists?

[@troya.tellinghuisen619]

You need to give it atleast an hour. Takes time for them to get those up.

[@panthersfan3168]

Thank you Troy

[@granthubbard5415]

That is exactly what I thought

[@POONTUNEv2]

how did justin play nissa, ultimate and she is still alive??

[@POONTUNEv2]

nvm missed the doublign season

[@taceda]

Saheeli doesnt give mana she reduces the cost of the next spell you cast by x

[@lazarusthegnome4703]

1:37:57 Why does Stephens commander get 5 loyalty?

[@Joshbobjovi]

She doesn't. It was a dirty move or a really bad miss lol

[@brandongaslard1911]

Team Green got some sweet revenge!

[@danielchurchill2661]

I watched the video to the end

[@danni.phantom]

The turn john played gilded lotus he shouldn't have been able to play gilded lotus because Saheeli says the next spell you cast costs x less and the first spell he cast after using saheeli was swiftfoot boots meaning the gilded lotus would have cost 4.

[@dantebeleren]

He played boots first then upticked

[@danni.phantom]

@@dantebeleren no he didn't. Go back and watch. He goes uptick saying that lotus will be free then says but first and plays boots. Then he played lotus. And this isn't the first time John has made a big mistake like this in the most recent seasons.

[@FinalCountdown102]

Well actually he goes to uptick from 6 to 7 then stops and says "Will I do that" obviously changing his mind. He doesn't actually uptick or go through with starting the ability. As you can see he has 6 counters on Saheeli since the start of the turn. Then he taps mindstone to play swiftfoot boots then after that you see him grab the dice next to him and uptick Saheeli to 7 then play Gilded Lotus for free. I'm sure he makes some mistakes. But this wasn't one of them.

[@danni.phantom]

@@FinalCountdown102 you are right my bad the changing of the camera angle made it seem like he upticks before playing boots complaint redacted.

[@TCG9777]

Anyone hear that ghost? 1:18:31

[@exriel]

No shade to Corey, but miss you Justin

[@craigatkinson2839]

Someone please play Zo-zu :( I really want to see someone play that here

[@larsgossel4986]

what a game. i am 100% behind justin killing jon. who gets to ultimate a daretti and have a bosh in play? not many for certain reasons.

[@jorgeboi9126]

Dat shoulder

[@kc1423]

Need for speed is an awesome card!

[@Bryan-T]

33:00 Justin plays explosive and cracks the fetch but only searches for 2 lands.

[@rbenne2]

I missed the fact that he used evolving wilds and wondered why he got three lands. He got mountain/forest on the left, then another forest on the right

[@Marionettetc]

#Teamgreen

[@TCG9777]

Yes!

[@12Geri91]

Season 14, rated as the Longest season ever made (Jeremy let them go home!)

[@Kageshade]

at 2 hours, Jonathan cheated ... at the beginning of his turn he played his Saheeli planeswalker to create a servo to do his golem thing and right after he do 17 damage on Justin ..... he create another token with Saheeli (so he activated Saheeli 2 times in the same round) you're out for cheating

[@corrosivecabal]

Binged ✔

[@swaswa1]

Stephen thats why you say a basic bro

[@eatmoretidepods2499]

So anyone wanna tell me when Jeremy gets into the game?

[@comradecameron3726]

cody larmore never

[@ultiplayer1]

When you guys set $ limits for adding cards, you should let people use the cost of gold bordered cards when adding their total.