Commercial Mock Checkride

[@bulletbling]

The scenario proposed of the friend renting the aircraft and being the operator exercising operational control is actually okay to conduct. Here's some more information and where to find (some of) the regs covering this: You can provide your pilot services, whether holding out or not (you are allowed to hold out for your "pilot services" only), if you are not the operator and the operator is not being paid to transport the property or passengers you are flying onboard the aircraft. For this scenario, see 91.501(b)(4): "Flights conducted by the operator of an airplane for his personal transportation, or the transportation of his guests when no charge, assessment, or fee is made for the transportation". So long as the operator isn't being paid to have you fly these people, then you can legally perform the flight. There is another reg for this as well (dependent upon holding out or not, but if holding out for "pilot services" only, then you can conduct the flight), but this is one of them. However, the operator could've been paid without you the pilot knowing so that's another interesting twist. For property, see when it's allowed via 91.501(b)(7): "The carriage of property (other than mail) on an airplane operated by a person in the furtherance of a business or employment (other than transportation by air) when the carriage is within the scope of, and incidental to, that business or employment and no charge, assessment, or fee is made for the carriage other than those specified in paragraph (d) of this section;" For this, you can carry such property and be paid to do so, so long as the operator (person who hired you and would be providing the aircraft) is doing so in furtherance of his/her business or employment.

[@michaelwhitfield1184]

Thank you for clarifying. I was confused when I saw this I always thought you could fly for compensation as long as you are not providing the plane and the guest has operation control.

[@Puritywave49]

My thought exactly.

[@sherwyna]

So great video and very educational. However you may want to review the discussion on Pilot Qualifications and the scenario with the “passenger” renting the aircraft and hiring you the commercial pilot to fly him to Chicago. In my opinion it would be perfectly legal for the pilot to be paid to take the passenger to Chicago. The passenger has operational control but he is not holding out to the public to take persons to Chicago. It’s no different than if the passenger actually owned the aircraft and hired you to fly him. No operational certificate is required for that situation as well as the lease which is a dry lease.

[@PrestigeWorldWide777]

I was thinking the same thing. Now I’m second guessing… I have a checkride in a couple weeks.

[@SafetyPilotOfficial]

Thanks for taking the time to write this and for phrasing it in a positive way! If it is a mistake it wouldn't be our first! We appreciate community feedback making us all more knowledgeable and safe pilots. I just saw your comment now and we are going to take a look at it in depth and will plan to get an in depth response that brings clarity to all.

[@TheFlyingZulu]

No flight school would allow that for insurance purposes. It's also called a sham dry lease... The flight school is holding out to the public by having their airplanes available for rent to people. The aircraft is being used to transfer a person or property from place to place for compensation. That's getting into common carriage rules. This would be a dry lease of which operational control was not transferred so thus either the flight school or the person renting the plane would need a part 135 certificate, or 121 if this was a scheduled thing. *edit just to add; investment companies that own transport large aircraft, do indeed rent (lease) out aircraft to airlines BUT operational control is legitimately transferred to the airline and the airline takes on operational control and operates under a part 121 cert. The airline provides the crew, fuel and MX for the aircraft. In your example, the flight school is renting out aircraft for compensation as a dry lease but is retaining operational control so thus not allowed normally.

[@utah20gflyer76]

The original poster is correct. Because the pilot does not have operational control or work for the FBO that dry leased the airplane it would be a legal for the pilot to be compensated for flying a person in that plane. Whether insurance is ok with that arrangement or not doesn’t affect the legality.

[@PrestigeWorldWide777]

@@utah20gflyer76 I agree, the Lesee has operational control in a dry lease. So long as he/she is not holding out (inviting random people to fly and making them pay a portion of the flight costs).

[@nonTff]

Commercial checkride is scheduled for Monday! Thanks for creating these mock checkride videos. They are helpful!

[@pleasantturtle2799]

How did it go?

[@Dub4Yah]

Everyone please read the Bible!

[@SafetyPilotOfficial]

Thanks for your involvement in this video everyone. Several helpful comments have been made regarding both the dry lease discussion and time of useful consciousness. I have pinned a detailed response from a viewer on the issue of the dry lease who I believe has a correct understanding. 14 CFR 91.500 (subpart F) series is specifically written for large and turbine-powered multiengine airplanes and Fractional Ownership programs, which typically does not include flight school and personally owned planes. Despite this, we have done some research and now agree that such an operation is legal as long as the renter and pilot are not the same person. The conclusion in our video is incorrect and will be updated. We apologize for any confusion and are encouraged to see people are still gaining knowledge and passing checkrides thanks to these videos.

[@1jamaican]

One of the better mock orals that I’ve seen on KZbin, I hope to find one for the ATP Multi. Really good job guys!!👍🏽

[@Yo_soy_Hunter]

Just passed my commercial oral and listened to this video at least 7 times prior to it. Thank you guys for making this a free resource for pilots to use. It's a great resource to get yourself into the mindset and familiar with how an oral will similarly go. It's important for anyone else who's preparing for the oral to understand this video is far from the sufficient knowledge you will need to pass the stage check, your examiner can ask any number of questions on whatever topics related to the ACS that they so choose. Study EVERYTHING

[@klasmova2771]

thank you both! i passed my PPL checkride with flying colors thanks to your video on it, and will likely be doing the same for my commercial with the help of this video. safe flying!

[@SafetyPilotOfficial]

Thanks for the feedback! We enjoy making the videos and learning more ourselves. Check out our instrument checkride videos as well if you are thinking of getting an instrument rating. Fly safe!

[@DarkxShark]

Got a comm CR here in a couple weeks, watching this video gave me so much more confidence in my ground knowledge.

[@angiethepilot]

I have watched each mock since my student pilot phase, now in Commercial. You guys have helped a bunch! Thanks for the great videos!

[@1dullgeek]

Just passed my commercial checkride. This mock was very helpful. There were a couple of things asked of me that I remembered due to watching this video. Thank you!

[@SafetyPilotOfficial]

Glad it was helpful! Thanks for watching!

[@df0813]

49:32 You're looking at the agl/msl of the towers and doing all the math to figure out the ground level... and then you realize that the point you selected has all the info in the right hand column - lat / long / and MSL! All teasing aside, I'm prepping for my commercial checkride and loved your video. Even though I couldn't get it out of my head that you were doing some sort of a split screen edit with yourself in different clothes the whole time.

[@braer240]

Woohooo. Nice! I watched the PPL probably 6-7 times. Helped out a lot

[@SafetyPilotOfficial]

We're glad it helped. Have you passed your private pilot checkride yet?

[@braer240]

@@SafetyPilotOfficial yes. Passed it on the 20th!

[@pleasantturtle2799]

This was awesome guys, I’m taking my discover flight next week and watching this is getting me pumped

[@gang4001]

One thing with a lot of videos is that they make themselves seem like robots. No one knows everything and they're not asking you to know everything. It's your thought process and having a general idea of where to get information is most important. Some things are a must, but you can generally get by if you know where to find everything.

[@treynofsinger783]

are these guys brothers i swear from the PPL video to the instrument to this mock checkride they look more and more alike 😂 you guys are awesome keep up the awesome videos!!

[@dylanhammonds5270]

same

[@johnmerizier1247]

Twins

[@ericrolerkite951]

I have my check ride at the end of the month. I’ve been diving into common and private carriage. And I think the scenario with your friend paying is perfectly OK to fly, your legal bro.

[@aneudybonilla1891]

Ahhhhhh i watched your private and instrument rating mock checkride and i was waiting for this video to come but 😂😂 but i just took my commercial checkride Friday and i passed , I’m still going to watch this video thank you for what y’all do 💪🏽💪🏽🫡🫡🫡

[@nextlevel9344]

Congrats!! I’m about to do my Com. ride in about 2 weeks. Any suggestions?

[@aneudybonilla1891]

@@nextlevel9344 honestly just know the acs , i didn’t have any weird or gotchu questions from the DPE everything was based of the acs

[@AeroRamer]

Great job. Thanks! As we know there are many questions that can get asked but this mock checkride gives me a good idea on what to expect in general terms.

[@kmjavenger]

Really good video. My checkride was supposed to be today, but weather cancelled it. Glad I can review videos like these until I get the chance to take it

[@SafetyPilotOfficial]

Sorry to hear it was cancelled. The wait is stressful. Good luck!

[@TheFlyingZulu]

1:05:38 Look up figure 17-1 in the 8083-25c... TUC is like 30 minutes or more at 20k feet. 30k feet is 1-2 minutes. it's above 40k feet is when you start to get down into the seconds of useful consciousness.

[@SafetyPilotOfficial]

Thanks for sharing this. We were looking for a basic understanding from the applicant as TUC depends heavily on many factors such as age, health, exercise, alcohol and smoking habits, as well as ascent rate. While a typical ascent rate may allow for upwards of 20 minutes without oxygen at 20,000ft a rapid decompression at 20,000ft certainly would not. Had the applicant thought he had as much as an hour there would be a problem. The point we were looking for is a pilot's understanding of the hazard of the situation and that they need to get down as soon as possible. Thanks for sharing the table.

[@mfish3190]

Very helpful. Thanks for making it!

[@georgecai2669]

My commercial check ride tmr been watching this video and other ones in the past few weeks. Hopefully I pass 🎉

[@laneallenfilms1039]

Did u pass?

[@georgecai2669]

@@laneallenfilms1039 yes I did pass it the first time! It’s really helpful and now working on my cfi ride

[@notloccoltonTM]

I’ve got my checkride tomorrow. It’s already been rescheduled twice so hoping I can finally get it done! Great video

[@powerliftingpilot]

Good Luck!

[@samstanley8423]

Just wanted to say thanks for this great video! Several of the topics were presented very similarly in my checkride and helped cement my ground knowledge. Thanks for helping me feel confident, to learn new things, and pass my commercial oral!

[@xavierhassard-johnson5274]

Perfect timing so glad this video came up. Have my Comm checkride on the 13th thanks guys

[@TiagoSeiler]

DPE means Designated PILOT Examiners mate

[@AnthonyQ730]

Perhaps they’re getting their Commercial Practical License 😊

[@Cadealbracht]

Just started commercial could not be better timing

[@SafetyPilotOfficial]

Glad to hear! Good luck with your training.

[@DannyDiNunzio]

i swear these guys are the same guy

[@06blkgto1]

You may want to review engine roughness. The electric fuel pump is not only for starting. Floor to door would tell you fuel selector (both), fuel shutoff (off--in), mixture full rich, ill leave out throttle setting because you arent restarting the engine, and electric fuel pump on. You could have lost your mechanical engine driven pump and gravity could not properly get fuel to the distribution block. It could also be that you have the fuel too rich for the alt you are at, or climbing out getting detonation because the engine is too hot, so you have to lower the nose to get cooling.

[@Actually-eneru]

good work fellas

[@yank33g03]

just in timeee thank you!

[@alejandrodebasilio1606]

When discussing the 35 in the Delta airspace, what do yo mean by solid boxes? I always thought if it had a minus in front, it meant up to 3,499 not to include 3,500. Do you mean that solid versus dashed can also mean that? Where did you find that information?

[@Tony-xj8lp]

5:30 I believe he is wrong about the Dry Lease. He is describing it as if he were a flight instructor being hired to fly an aircraft from his flight school. With a Dry Lease, the renter is allowed to find their own flight crew. 14 CFR Part 91 Subpart K & AC 91-84 - Fractional Ownership Programs A dry-lease aircraft exchange means an arrangement, documented by the written program agreements, under which the program aircraft are available, on an as needed basis without crew, to each fractional owner.

[@thehardhustlers]

I think you may be right

[@ChrisJones-sd5pj]

I also think he is wrong on that one. The person renting has operational control, but he is not making money on the flight. He is just renting it and paying you to fly it. You are just being hired to fly. Now if said renter was selling a seat to another passenger, that would be a no go as he would be leaning towards part 135

[@SafetyPilotOfficial]

You are a correct, we made a mistake. Thanks for the diligent watching!

[@impenguin]

have cpl tmr wish me luck

[@davidricca7428]

Designated what examiners?

[@Chuy-y4i]

Haw long does it take to get to Mars of the umbral check point

[@JuanPabloParraMartinez]

I dont get why i would not be able to be hire if the renter with operation control operates under part 91 (corporate) then no AOC is required. Can someone explane pls?

[@balldude8573]

Am I dumb? I was under the impression that if someone provides the aircraft(rent) and then hires me to fly them somewhere that is perfectly legal under part 91? The person who has operational control isn’t making money off of this flight they are paying for it so they don’t need an operational certificate?

[@Tony-xj8lp]

I like this video because it better prepares me for my CFI mock exam. You know, the one where they wreck you for two or more hours straight just to tell you you're not ready and to come back to do it all over again in 3 weeks after you've forgotten all the information on the mock exam to finally sign me off to take my check ride with a DPE. So wish me luck, I have me 97th mock exam coming up in a few days 😂

[@thefallenrift1705]

Confused about the your friend renting a plane no allowed thing. I thought if someone else provided the plane it was A ok?

[@bulletbling]

You are correct. The instructor(s) in this video are human and make mistakes. It is allowed so long as the pilot being paid is not the operator and the operator (the friend in this scenario) is not being paid to transport persons or property.

[@SafetyPilotOfficial]

Bulletbling is right on and very gracious in his reply. Thanks for watching and helping everyone get the correct information!

[@technicalactivity]

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[@Gric420]

Starts at 1:40

[@sciencepod4887]

why do you look the same XD

[@jmax8692]

Fuck me until I read that I was focused and shit now I can’t unsee it 😂😂😂😂

[@omegasixfive5334]

@@jmax8692 They have to be twins right? Or brothers?

[@johnmerizier1247]

If the passengers want to pass out , they can pass out 😂

[@mukhiddintashpulatov8865]

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[@mikehunt7481]

It would be very helpful from a studying perspective to correct him when he’s wrong. I get that on the actual check ride that can’t happen, but it would make this video more informative still loved it tho

[@lucassmither4327]

The part about his friend renting the plane was hard to watch

[@Lorenzo_Cruz2875]

Are these two the same person?

[@thorgeirnable]

My only criticism is, please make it louder and the audio more clear. You guys are hard to hear.

[@lucassmither4327]

Turn up your volume

[@lucassmither4327]

👍

[@thorgeirnable]

@@lucassmither4327 oh shit really? Just turn it up? My bad bro shoulda done that earlier

[@doncharleslundell]

On-person mics would yield less room noise echo (= clearer voices and effectively louder)

[@ZRAMY2012]

Registration expires in 36 months and not 7 yrs

[@jviation737]

That's been amended, it's now 7 years.

[@bulletbling]

​@@jviation737Yep. Used to be 1 year for state (Michigan) and 3 years federal.

[@Bullets632]

Frustrating that aviation tools are still stuck in the decleration of independence era. You better learn how to use a non electronic flight computer, a plotter, and sectional. Even though you'll never use one in your aviation career.

[@mukhiddintashpulatov8865]

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