Commoner Queens of England

[@benjamintillema3572]

Not English but one of the most dramatic, real life Cinderella stories in history is Catherine I of Russia. She was born a peasant in Prussia, was captured in war and sent to Russia to be a domestic worker, became the mistress of the czar, married him in secret, became his official queen and then inherited his title and ruled Russia after his death.

[@ayefuh]

i’d love a feature video on her!!

[@tapeshsharma9254]

for a sec i thought you were talking about Catherine the Great and was flabbergasted as you mentioned her as peasant

[@billcipherproductions1789]

Yeah. She may have come from humble origins as in terms of aristocracy from her father's side, but her mother was from the House of Holsten-Gottorp​@@tapeshsharma9254

[@tinabraxton4906]

Which czar did she marry?

[@user-qk5mm1yw7y]

@@tinabraxton4906 Peter the great of Russia, Catherine was probably of Polish descent

[@uchiwasasuke8169]

if only charles married camila first , diana would have been still alive and happy...both the parties would have been happy instead of going through all that trauma.

[@andreeagaita8780]

Unfortunately, Camila was not seen as a good option for the royal family due to the virginity question and other issues. Diana was perfect from every angle, especially for Charles who thought would get a submissive wife. I agree with you , however I think it was destiny. This world needed Princess Diana and like all great women in history, she suffered. It is truly sad what happened to her

[@CherokeeBird]

Royal marriage isn't about happiness, but duty 😢

[@clairemercer3099]

@@andreeagaita8780 Considering it was the 80's virginity shouldn't have been a qualification. I mean throughout history Kings have married women who clearly weren't virgins.

[@Levacque]

​@clairemercer3099 the funny thing is that on occasion in history, they deliberately married women who were so far from virginity that they had children already, specifically choosing those women because they had proven their fertility. Doesn't make it any better at all, but it certainly adds to the tapestry of hypocrisy.

[@user-fm5jk8gc9n]

@@andreeagaita8780 without Diana, we would not have William and also Camila would not have Tom and Laura

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

My favorite has to be Elizabeth Woodville. She survived the wars of the roses and while she lost her precious boys she managed to make her daughter Elizabeth Queen of England by marriage to henry VII to help the Tudor dynasty and her blood remains on the family to this day! Bravo! 👸👸👸👸

[@blahblahblahblah729]

Same!

[@LJB103]

Her son Richard Grey (from her 1st marriage) was also executed by Richard III.

[@FireCat34]

Elizabeth Woodville was 1st Queen consort of England born in England since Edith of Wessex the wife of Edward the Confessor the last Anglo Saxons King of England.

[@LJB103]

@@FireCat34 You are correct about the queens but incorrect about the king. King Harold Godwinson was the last Anglo-Saxon king.

[@FireCat34]

@@LJB103 True Harold was King but not for long his reign few months and his reign was high disputed I called Edward the Confessor the last Anglo Saxons King because was the last undisputed Anglo Saxons King

[@mrsbluesky8415]

Charles unfortunately felt he had to do what the family wanted. Remember at that time Diana had to be examined by a dr to verify she was a virgin ! That’s how antiquated they were. I was horrified for her. She was in love, he wasn’t, and he made her very unhappy. Rest in peace Princess ❤

[@olgicamiljkovic6113]

Dijana kraljica❤❤❤❤❤

[@umitencho]

She was from a family that caused the rf grief for generations, of course they blocked her.

[@olgicamiljkovic6113]

Aktuelni kralj najružniji kraljevski par u istoriji Sramota

[@Lostinamomentillnevergetback]

A person being only good for incubators for kings is a discovery of the culture that has made children possessions and their families subject to scrutiny even when you leave…

[@shramanadasdutta3006]

I am too young to have seen things unfold first hand. But from what i understand, Charles the person had made it verry clear that he wasnt into Diana. But the system forced him into it. Charles should have been allowed to marry who he loved. Who cares if she is divorced or ugly. Those are not criterion of love for godsakes. And while Diana was lovely, her never being the Princess off Wakes could have spares the family so much scandal and herself so much unhappiness if not also her life.

[@avaglennon9873]

Katherine Howard is my favorite of Henry VIII's wives. She truly deserved so much better. She was just a teenager manipulated and hurt by so many powerful men.

[@TheRealJaneSeymour]

I agree. Katherine is amazing

[@AisteOsinskyte]

All Henry VIII wives deserved so much better, except maybe Anne of Cleves, who got to be rich and independent.

[@autumnnash2344]

I’m 100% behind the theory that Kitty was coerced into the affair with Culpepper. The men in her life played on her love and wanted to try and make sure she got pregnant somehow since everyone knew Henry was impotent

[@cindchan]

I feel the same! She was used again and again.

[@kerimarthaanderson2859]

​@@AisteOsinskyte except for Anne boleyn

[@justinmager7984]

If we are counting Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon as aristocratic, Anne neville and Katherine Howard should be counted as nobles as well one was a male line granddaughter of a duke and the other was the daughter of an earl

[@williethomas5116]

Especially Anne Boleyn who was both. Daughter of a double Earl (Ormond and Wiltshire) and granddaughter of a Duke.

[@SwimmerPrince]

Anne Boleyn was born 'technically' a commoner, her father Thomas was elevated to peerage after Henry became enamored with Anne

[@williethomas5116]

@@SwimmerPrince True but he would have inherited his grandfather's Earldom Ormond (Which was later returned to him)had it not been a York king in the throne at the time. He was a big backer of Henry VII. I believe he was his standard bearer at Bosworth.

[@ruyfernandez]

I would not call Catherine Howard a commonner. She might not be the daughter of a peer, but she was still the niece of a duke, and a member of the ancient and noble Howard dynasty.

[@blahblahblahblah729]

But her father still had no title. So, commoner.

[@ruyfernandez]

@@blahblahblahblah729 her father was no peer, but still a lord by title.

[@LJB103]

@@ruyfernandez Didn't matter. If either her father or mother was not a ruler, she was a commoner to the royals.

[@simplystreeptacular]

@@ruyfernandez Doesn't matter. It was a courtesy title and doesn't count. In England, unless you held a title *in your own right,* you were a commoner.

[@EllieDaisy]

And don’t forget her connections to the previous Queen Anne 😅 x

[@anubratabit3027]

None the queens mentioned here can be called commoners. This term is meant only for the peasants who didn't had any luxury of having a family coat of arms. All of the queens listed here came from the lower ranks of aristocracy, which isn't enough to classify them as commoner. A marriage of an aristocrat with a true commoner would have been considered as a morgnactic marriage in medieval era.

[@yuisakamaki9710]

What I'm saying. Still very interesting video tho.

[@jshipp5469]

Camilla could be considered a commoner given her great mother was a mistress of Edward vii and was basically exiled from the royal court after his death.

[@skaisnotdead]

They're not royal or ruling class, so at many points in history considered "common" even if most of them were still born wealthy or even to minor nobility.

[@bbybella9937]

Esp the Queen mother? She was the daughter of an Earl.

[@bbybella9937]

@@skaisnotdeadSure but that’s only technically. Most of these women’s fathers were peers of England or even their grandparents. They aren’t common.

[@caitlinmarie8261]

I like the way you framed Catherine Howards story. I've watched many Tudor documentaries and they never show enough sympathy for her. She was taken advantage of and abused by most of the men in her life. She was so young and has such a tragic tale.

[@ray101892]

Elizabeth woodville's background is being scrutinized more because the yorkists won. Her mom Jacquetta was married to Henry V's brother so she was Henry VI's aunt and her sister is married to Margaret of Anjou's uncle so she had close connections to both the Lancastrian King and queen of England. The sticking point is her second husband who is ranked lower. The Woodvilles are somewhat similar to the Tudors. The female matriarch had the name and prestige (catherine of valois, margaret beaufort and jacquetta) and their Tudor husbands and Richard Woodville were somewhat ranked lower than them. The fate scripwriters were on point when the Woodvilles and Tudors agreed to unite and take down Richard III.

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

I just love getting the historical "tea" from you lindsay. The ammount of information you manage to convey is AMAZING! Your story telling skills are incredible. British history always seems so much more interesting than ANY other!. Keep the tea flowing. I'm here for it.

[@andreamiles9325]

You've picked a common misconception about Henry VIII's break from Ronme. It was nothing to with Protestantism, he just refused to see the Pope as head of the church and made himself head of the Catholic church in England.

[@LJB103]

Right. It was his son, Edward VI, who took England Protestant.

[@LisaSchnettler]

There's a few thousand monks who would care to differ.

[@HR-nl7fc]

His main argument with Rome was the denial of an annulment of his marriage to Catherine of Aragon. Prior to that, he was a religious Catholic.

[@r3ptil3srcool]

I read the title as “Common Queers of England” and got so excited lmao

[@emilybarclay8831]

Oh man, Lindsay made a video on me?? 😂😂

[@Andytlp]

Read it as Cum on Queens of England. Granted i just woke up with a morning wood and im half asleep still. Nowhere near as a big slip up as news anchors saying something like big juicy cock instead of chicken.

[@hunniboop1]

Justice for Princess Dianna 👑

[@cloudburstlia456]

I would argue Camila is not more popular at all but Charles has done a great job keeping her name out of the press negatively and instead throws his sons and their wives to the wolves.

[@HR-nl7fc]

Disagree about Charles throwing his sons and their spouses to the wolves. William and Catherine appear to be (deservedly) very much in favor. The Sussexes ran head first into the den of wolves. Their problems have been, unquestionably, self-inflicted..

[@danielsantiagourtado3430]

Just by seeing the title already i'm excited! Your english history videos are My favorites lindsay! Im a proud anglophile and a HUGE fan of yours❤❤❤❤❤❤

[@joannabaparileszczynska]

I always found it funny that a marriage could be called void if the couple actually never did the deed. Even if a priest blessed them, no sex= no marriage 😂

[@andreamiles9325]

Still the case in some countries.

[@emilybarclay8831]

@@andreamiles9325in fact, it’s the case in almost all countries. You can get an annulment today provided the marriage hasn’t been consummated and hasn’t lasted more than a certain amount of time

[@blahblahblahblah729]

​@@andreamiles9325 true! Here you can annul unconsumated marriages.

[@jackiegillyard758]

Its still the case if the marriage is never consummated it can be annulled

[@GizmoOnyett]

Proving weaving families together is far more important to the human psyche than any religious ceremonial frippery.

[@tabithatrimm-hooson4585]

I feel so much for the Charles, Camilla, Diana circle. Privileged aside no one deserves to be in such a situation. Let people marry who they love.

[@iTsEfFiNsTePhh]

Anne Boleyn, Catherine Howard, and Jane Seymour definitely were NOT commoners (that's a common misconception especially with Anne- i'm pretty sure most of the other women on this list weren't either but my main area of expertise is in the Tudor period)- commoner implies that they had no royal ties and came from humble/poor beginnings but that couldn't be further from the truth (to even be a guest at court you had to have royal ties and/or wealth and be on good terms or at least not bad terms with the monarch(s) and have some connection to someone there plus keep in mind that the monarchs during that time period spent almost of their time at court or other properties (the rare times they didn't was battle) were actual commoners other then those working for them wouldn't even be around it's not like the movies where royals are going around average every day people they were only surrounded by other royals and/or the rich and powerful in their palaces so of course they're only going to interact with those types of people not unless it's a fluke meeting like Elizabeth Woodville but that's the exception not the rule). Catherine Howard came from the old well known powerful Howard family on top of being a cousin to Anne Boleyn, Anne Boleyn had ties to the Howard family through her mother's side (her uncle her mother's brother was Thomas Howard 3rd Duke of Norfolk) and her father's side could be seen as commoner but not recently generations back her ancestors amassed great wealth and her father was trusted by Henry VIII and the court in general long before Anne was on the scene (the fact that he married a Howard speaks volumes about that), and Jane Seymour was a descendant from a king was related to Henry VIII and to Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard. Almost everyone back then during that time was related in one way or the other so it's very easy to debunk. The only outlier would be Catherine Howard because of her horrible upbringing nothing like the standard royal but even then she was still related to royalty. Them being a commoner or not sadly isn't the issue but the fact that they had the great misfortune of marrying that evil POS Henry VIII 😕 I'm really passionate about the Tudor period so couldn't help myself 🤣

[@simplystreeptacular]

That actually doesn't matter a whit. Under English law, if you don't hold a title *in your own right* (i.e. not by courtesy through marriage or a parent), you are a commoner. All of these women were of aristocratic blood, but they weren't titled.

[@StevvieD]

​@@simplystreeptacularAnd not Cinderellas either 🤷

[@TerriKnight-x3s]

Same here

[@octavianpopescu4776]

@@simplystreeptacular Thanks for explaining. I didn't know that. I was wondering how would the niece of a duke be considered a commoner.

[@Dunsapie]

@@octavianpopescu4776 Even a duke is a commoner, as anyone who is not of the royal family is regarded as a commoner.

[@XFD42069]

Last time I was this early Anne Boleyn still had her head.

[@TheRealJaneSeymour]

Don't lose your head!

[@ezekielbertrand809]

@@TheRealJaneSeymourGrew up in the French court…

[@TheatreNutMeggie]

​@@ezekielbertrand809 oui oui, bonjour

[@TheRealJaneSeymour]

@TheatreNutMeggie life was a chore so (she set sail)

[@ezekielbertrand809]

@@TheRealJaneSeymour 1522 went straight to the UK

[@jaclinecarter368]

While they have no royal titles of any sort, I would still say they are more then commoners because they had enough money and reputation to have connections to get into the eye sight of a royal. I would say a commoner would be more along the lines of Edward's wife Sophie. She didn't come from any kind of money and worked her way through life. If Edward didn't have an interest in television and film, those 2 never would have met by any chance. Now THAT is a Cinderella story of finding your prince charming. Lol

[@bbybella9937]

Thank you. Most of these women had fathers or grandfathers who were peers and peers aren’t commoners.

[@livingincaptivityIII]

Sophie descends from King Henry IV of England and is related to the family of the Viscounts Molesworth through her grandmother, Margaret Patricia Rhys-Jones (née Molesworth; 1904-1985), who was the great-granddaughter of the Rev. John Molesworth, himself the father of Sir Guilford Molesworth and a great-grandson of Robert Molesworth, 1st Viscount Molesworth.

[@shirleytrenche7852]

Queen Camilla has grown on me and I’m a big Princess Diana fan. The fact she is supporting King Charles during his cancer diagnosis and taking up his responsibilities shows her dedication. 😅

[@blahblahblahblah729]

So, she is doing the bare minimum? Like, doing the events is her obligation. Literally her job. What else would she do with Charles? Give him the middle finger? Ppl's standards for royals are so low omg

[@shirleytrenche7852]

@@blahblahblahblah729 she is taking on his outings on top of hers.

[@olgicamiljkovic6113]

Camila je rezorila dve porodice Veštica

[@blahblahblahblah729]

​@@shirleytrenche7852 Yeah, because she's a conselour of state. It is her job, along with 6 other people, to do the kings duties and events when the king is unable to

[@Faceon6790]

Eww a big no to housewreckers. She will be always shamed even if she saved the world! Period !

[@meitalt3301]

50% were all married to the same guy 😂 ohh henry

[@alexanderturner7274]

Jacquetta of Luxembourg wasn’t the daughter of the duke of Luxembourg, she was the daughter of Peter I de Luxembourg, Count of Saint-Pol. They are called “of Luxembourg” because they were members of a distant branch of the House of Luxembourg which originated in Luxembourg but went on to rule Bohemia, the HRE, Hungary and many other states.

[@alexrafe2590]

Edward IV belonged to the upper nobility before he became king. His father was Duke of York and Edward was directly descended from Edward III.

[@YaaaaanSapnu]

Can't wait for Catherine, Princess of Wales' time as a Queen Consort.

[@esta8651]

Oh, is she a friend of yours?

[@Creolista]

@@esta8651because we the people are ready to move past looking at the atrocity of who we have to call “queen” consort ….we’ve suffered enough

[@ChiNguyenHaiHa]

@@esta8651 Why that question? Catherine really acts like a true Queen, any speeches she gives are straight-to-the-point and very interesting to listen to, children seem to love her, which indicate so much for children have this sense to recognise good people. I understand why people like her very much, considering the other daughter-in-law of the King is Meghan Markle...

[@olgicamiljkovic6113]

Kamila zmija

[@wmverk]

I can wait. She's boring as heck. Even with all the conspiracies. ;P

[@redessa01]

I've never even thought about Prince William's children's future spouses before. But now that I have, I feel strongly that William and Catherine will do a wonderful job of... not vetting exactly... but making sure any prospective spouse (especially Prince George's) fully understands the expectations of royal life and feels prepared to take on that role.

[@anitagorse9204]

Only Prince Georges bride will be under scrutiny and pressure. Other two can marry whomever they want....khm, like Meghan Markle.

[@glen7318]

@@anitagorse9204 I dont think htey want any more people like Markle even if she was marrying the 12th son.

[@ofeliasantoshistory]

Idk what the algorithm did but I haven’t seen your videos on my feed in a while. I love your content so much. ❤️❤️❤️❤️

[@katsmith3369]

Queen Mathilde of Belgium was not born a commoner. Her father was a Belgian count (and her mother hailes from Polish aristocracy).

[@LJB103]

But they didn't rule anything (= commoner in royal eyes).

[@LJB103]

On your family tree, the photo of Queen Victoria's "gay wife" Charlotte of Mecklenburg-Strelitz bears a striking resemblance to Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha.

[@pedanticradiator1491]

Charlotte of Mecklenburg- Strelitz was Victoria's grandmother

[@LJB103]

@@pedanticradiator1491 I'm not the only one who commented on the flub.

[@ShannonStevens-gl7le]

I've always had a soft spot for camilla, the heart wants what it wants, and she was vilified for gaining the love of and loving the wrong man.

[@joannabaparileszczynska]

I understand people disliking her but the true “villain” was whoever told Charles that she was not god enough. What a medieval way of thinking

[@bluelasagna7223]

Tbh I feel like if Camila was also conventionally attractive like Diana, she wouldn't be hated as much. Also I feel like Charles+Camila love story is like a fairy tale - this man was loyal to her through everything and at the end made her his Queen. It's literally every classic Disney princess story.

[@emilybarclay8831]

@@bluelasagna7223Charles had multiple other girlfriends and other mistresses during his marriage other than Camilla

[@heikefrank4909]

There were probably two... The Queen mother and Lord Mountbatten! Ironically, the two persons, Charles adored very much😉😉

[@akaLaBrujaRoja]

@@bluelasagna7223nah, if he was loyal, he would’ve married her even if it cost him his title, like his great-uncle did. Instead, he marries a teenage girl he doesn’t love and gets her pregnant while cheating on her the whole time, all so he can keep the power, prestige, and riches from being the next king.

[@rhodvalenciaga2743]

If the royal family allowed Charles to marry Camilla in the first place, none of the drama with Diana and the eventual tragedy could have taken place.

[@suzyfarnham3165]

She had too many previous boyfriends. Britain was not ready for a Queen with a 'past'....look what they ended up with. ..................The Mistress

[@livingincaptivityIII]

​@@suzyfarnham3165 A loyal royal mistress, which is more than can be said for the disloyal former wife.

[@emilybarclay8831]

@@livingincaptivityIIIplease explain how she was loyal when she was married to another man while she was knobbing Charlie?

[@kaloarepo288]

Elizabeth Woodville actually had a lot of noble and royal blood in her veins -mainly through her mother Jacquetta of Luxembourg -the house of Luxembourg was very royal and members of this house even attained the rank of Holy Roman emperors -the highest possible rank of European royalty. She was even descended from English kings via the Italian part of her ancestry (The Balzo) family who were descended from an exiled Englishman who took refuge in Italy.

[@historyismyplayground1827]

I have never understood why Charles and Camilla were forced apart. The two of them and poor Deanna were made miserable because the Royal Crown insisted the bride had to be a virgin? How medieval…

[@glen7318]

tehy were not forced apart. Camilla didn't want a royal marriage and her sexual past would have counted against her in the 70s.

[@pedanticradiator1491]

Who was Deanna?

[@DarkLadyJade]

As for Anne if Cleves, Henry did NOT reject her because of her looks. Basically what happened is that when they first met she didn't recognize him as he was in disguise and no one told her he liked to do this. He flirted with her, some accounts say he kissed her, and she rebuffed him, not knowing he was the king. He was embarrassed and left and then she was told that the man she had rejected was actually the king. The king returned, dressed as a king but by then it was too late. She had wounded his ego. So in order to save face he said not so flattering things about her (but he never said she was ugly or looked like a horse!).

[@antisocialal4799]

Wow, what a dick. Wouldn’t you want your wife to reject a stranger’s advances?

[@JenInOz]

About the time that then-Prince Frederik of Denmark met Mary, who is now his Queen, there was a movie calked The Prince & Me about an American university student who meets a fireign exchange student from Denmark and falls in love and it turns out he's the Danish prince (heir to the throne etc). The timing of the movie was interesting because Mary was constantly in the news here in Australia at the time!

[@LJB103]

Dorothea Jordan (Bland) never was married to William IV. While they had 10 children together, she was just his mistress. He married Adelaide of Saxe-Meiningen only when the "heir to the throne" sweepstakes started after Princess Charlotte's death (same for Edward of Kent and Victoria of Saxe-Coburg & Gotha who won the contest). Also, when William married in 1818, his father was in his final mental breakdown and Prince George was Regent. The Royal Marriage Act of 1772 was prompted by the marriage of Henry, Duke of Cumberland (brother of George III) and not George's son(s). Queen Mary's father was not considered a royal as he was the product of a morganatic marriage, and she was not thought suitable for even the most minor German royal. Sorry, but you seem to be missing one important thing in this video: to the royals it didn't matter if you were an aristocrat or a laborer, you were a commoner (royals or commoners with nothing in between).

[@StevvieD]

Except the peerage. A title peer is not a commoner.

[@LJB103]

@@StevvieD They are to royals. If your family does/did not rule a country (of any size), you are a commoner regardless of any aristocratic titles.

[@StevvieD]

@@LJB103 that's not true. Where are you getting this info? I can tell you don't know

[@LJB103]

@@StevvieD 65+ years of reading almost nothing but history and biographies.

[@LJB103]

@@StevvieD Maybe you should also look at the fact that I'm pointing out that when it comes to marriage, royals do not give any more preference to an aristocrat than they do to what most people would consider a commoner. Claudine Rhedey de Kis-Rhede was a countess but a morganatic wife, Her great-granddaughter was not considered a royal able to marry into any German royal house. She married King George V instead.

[@Floortile]

It is so rude of many mainstream media outlets to refer to The Princess of Wales as “Kate Middleton”. If she had wanted to retain her maiden name, she would have done so - but she didn’t. The only conclusion one can draw is that this is a slight, because she was not of Royal - or upper class - birth.

[@blahblahblahblah729]

A lot of other queens consort are called by their maiden name. Most of them are. It isn't just Kate. They all are, because their first names often repeat. Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon for instance. Calling her Elizabeth Windsor would just be confunsing, cuz there's two of them.

[@ledam2654]

Lol.

[@seafoxx777]

I think it’s because they don’t give a fuck about the royal family… It’s not a slight because she isn’t Royal her self.

[@gillianrimmer7733]

​​@@blahblahblahblah729, that's why she was known as ' Queen Elizabeth the Queen Mother 'after her husband died. She was never called Bowes-Lyon, or Windsor after her marriage. She was the Duchess of York after her marriage until she became Queen. Which Queens, or Princesses of Wales were known by their maiden names after marriage?

[@pedanticradiator1491]

Her name isn't Kate either

[@ladyv5655]

Pretty much all of these women were from aristocratic families, even if they were lower level or aristocratic through only one parent. I think the first truly commoner queen will be the current Princess of Wales.

[@StevvieD]

Not exactly. Catherine is descended from the Olivia Lupton who in turn is descended from a noble house and this previous kinds of England. In fact every single royal spouse to ever marry into the family is a descendent of Edward III. Even Megan Markle. That would make for a much more interesting video!

[@StevvieD]

*thus previous Kings of England

[@catazoe7535]

​​​@@StevvieDthat's fascinating! could you explain how meghan markle is a descendant of Richard III please?

[@ladyv5655]

@catazoe7535 , he said Edward III, not Richard III. If the Duchess of Sussex is a descendant of Richard III, then she would also be a descendant of Edward III. Richard had a son with his wife who died at age 10, but he also had 2 illegitimate children who wouldn't be eligible to inherit the throne. Not much is known about what happened to them after Richard's death. They could well have had children and if the Duchess is a descendant, it would probably be through her father. But a lot of Americans of English descent will find Edward III as an ancestor. I do, and I am most certainly not royal. He and his queen had 14 kids. Many kings had illegitimate children, too. Only the firstborn legitimate son was eligible to inherit the throne, so as the generations passed and he had more descendants who were not eligible for the throne, more and more of them married non-royals and fewer and fewer had royal titles. Eventually, many of these descendants had no idea they had royal ancestors. Face it, in the U.S., most Americans know little about their ancestors past their great grandparents, not even their names. Mostly they know things like, "They were from Italy", or "Grandma said that her Grandma was Cherokee.", but no evidence of specifics.

[@charmainelamont2020]

There hasn't been a King or Queen of England for over 300 years and King Henry I of England married Princess Matilda of Scotland. Also, anyone not born within the royal family is considered a commoner, even if they are aristocracy.

[@pedanticradiator1491]

If you hold a peerage in your own right you are not a Commoner

[@Dunsapie]

@@pedanticradiator1491 That's not so. The late Queen Mother was regarded as a commoner. Edward VIII had wanted to marry her, but because she was aa commoner she was not regarded as good enough to marry the heir to the throne, but was fine for a prince who was never expected to become King. If you didn't have royal blood you were regarded as a commoner.

[@pedanticradiator1491]

@@Dunsapie yes the Queen Mother was a commoner but her father being an Earl wouldn't have been

[@glen7318]

@@Dunsapie absolute nonsense. Edward did not wnat to marry the QM, and there would have been no problem iwht him marrying an Earls daughter if he had wanted to

[@2000sBarbie]

Elizabeth Woodville was such a smart woman

[@areiaaphrodite]

Aka "Started from the Bottom, Now We're Here." 😅

[@tae_516]

😂😂😂

[@thickymcchicky6987]

I didn’t know queen Victoria married her grand mother! Lol 19:04

[@ImperialAtlantis]

Might have just been a slip of the tongue but I just wanted to clarify: Diana's father was the Earl Spencer not the Earl OF Spencer. I don't actually know what the difference is but apparently there is one.

[@pedanticradiator1491]

The only difference is in the name the earldom does not include the "of" as it is named for their family name not a place

[@glen7318]

most Earldoms have Of... but lower ranks of the peerage dont.

[@pedanticradiator1491]

@glen7318 some Scottish viscountcies use "of"

[@MalaPalabra-zr6wg]

Elizabeth Bowes Lyon was born into a noble family.

[@blahblahblahblah729]

Yeah, she says it. Still commoner to royals. As they are their subjects

[@MalaPalabra-zr6wg]

@@blahblahblahblah729 with that logic Diana Spencer was another commoner

[@LJB103]

@@MalaPalabra-zr6wg She was.

[@sharonharris9782]

​@@MalaPalabra-zr6wgshe was a commoner. She wasn't royal.

[@daphlynndnnn]

​@@sharonharris9782she was a daughter of an earl, so like the Queen Mother, noble.

[@DakotaFord592]

Elizabeth Woodville was the daughter of a royal duchess.... I wouldn't necessarily call her common. Yes I know it was with Jacquetta of luxembourg's second husband but she was still a duchess, far from being "common" What this means is that she was an extended member of the Royal family.

[@TheQueenVic]

Can you do a video on royals with cancer? Including The King The Princess Of Wales Queen Mother George VI?

[@glen7318]

no evidence that the qm had cancer.

[@thaisgregorio2734]

Lindsay, please make a video detailing the wars of the roses!

[@berkeleyfarm]

Edward had actually married an Englishwoman before Elizabeth, which is what made his marriage to Elizabeth invalid. Eleanor Talbot was the daughter of a great family and much more similar in rank to her cousin Anne Neville although she was not the heiress that Anne was. It would have been a very suitable marriage for Edward as Earl of March. She would have also been a good "Unity Candidate" for queen as well; a number of her family were Lancastrians and her father "Old Talbot" was the most celebrated general of his era in the French wars and well-beloved nationwide. Although Warwick the Kingmaker may have objected, because Eleanor's mother and aunts were in a property dispute of grand scale with Warwick and his wife.

[@emilybarclay8831]

Edward and Eleanor weren’t married, only engaged. And she had both married another man (with zero objections from anyone) and had also died by the time Edward’s sons were born.

[@blahblahblahblah729]

​@@emilybarclay8831 this

[@berkeleyfarm]

@@emilybarclay8831 Stillington said it was a marriage, but even an engagement that had not been properly broken ("Pre contract") would have counted. Eleanor was a widow when she met Edward. She entered a convent after he abandoned her and did not remarry. By her lights she would not have been free to do so. Eleanor was dead when Edward's sons were born but by the rules then in force Edward and Elizabeth would have needed to remarry and that was canonically impossible.

[@SomePerson_Online]

20:52 Everyone in that room looks like cousins 😭

[@DarkLadyJade]

Richard III did NOT consider marrying his niece. In fact he actually outright denied any intention of marrying her. We also don't know if he was behind the disappearance of the Princes in the Tower (but likely not). These are rumors first started by Tudor propagandists that persist to this day. The Princes in the Tower had already been declared illegitimate by the time Richard took the throne, and Richard himself didn't even have them declared illegitimate, there were a whole bunch of advisors/politicians/nobles who didn't like the Woodvilles, THEY had the princes declared illegitimate because of years long rumors of Edward IV marrying in secret before marrying Elizabeth Woodville. It's because of this that the princes were declared illegitimate. This declaration made Richard the ONLY remaining legitimate male heir and so the crown was given to him and he was declared King. But some Lancastrians were still secretly plotting against the Yorks, it's likely they who had something to do with the Princes in the Tower going missing, then after Richard was killed in battle they quickly blamed him for the princes' fate. Henry Tudor was a Lancastrian so having people scheming behind the scenes on his behalf and making Richard an easy scapegoat seems far more likely.

[@emilybarclay8831]

Rumours that Richard killed the princes were all over England and Europe as a whole during Richard’s reign. It was not Tudor propaganda, it was the obvious truth. The Titulus Regius was commissioned and approved BY RICHARD. Do not lie. There was not a single source before the TR that suggested that Edward’s children were illegitimate. It’s funny that you ignore the fact that Henry was not intending to take the throne in 1483. It wasn’t until AFTER the prince’s disappearance and Richard’s usurpation that Elizabeth Woodville and Margaret Beaufort began plotting to remove the usurper

[@willhovell9019]

Woodville ambitions got in the way

[@colleens1107]

Elizabeth Woodvilles grandpa was a Duke….i don’t know if you could really call her a commoner…

[@leeirish1415]

I'm not sure if Prince Albert's name is suppose to be Charlotte's at 19:09????

[@tackcolin6645]

Lol you are right!!

[@Lion_Heart_33]

I love all these queens. I have always had a great fascination with Elizabeth Woodville and her daughter, Elizabeth Of York. I feel great compassion and empathy for Anne Boleyn, Katherine Howard and the other wives of Henry as well. Proud to be a commoner myself.

[@oceantears]

I love how 4 of them were king henry viii’s wives

[@HR-nl7fc]

I’ll bet they didn’t!

[@sgillespie964]

I think this may be an American point of view. None of these women would be considered commoners in England. A commoner queen would be if Nell Gywnn got crowned

[@han9488]

right! upper class cannot equal commoner, doesn’t matter if they’re not titled. even Kate Middleton won’t be considered a commoner queen consort because she’s from the landed gentry

[@Homerun153]

I must correct those who say these ladies were not commoners. Within the British monarchy system any woman who marries into the RF IS a commoner if she is not already of royal blood (e.g. Katherine of Aragon was a Spanish princess). All the aristocratic titles in the world would not make you royal if neither parent had royal blood. Ergo, you are a commoner. Not a peasant, but still a commoner in the eyes of royalty.

[@pedanticradiator1491]

In English law a commoner is someone who does not hold a peerage or a Royal title

[@glen7318]

@@han9488 I dont think she is. She may have some connextions but she's from a business family

[@han9488]

@@glen7318 yeah they are, this is directly from her father’s wiki page ‘Michael Francis Middleton was born in Leeds on 23 June 1949 into a wealthy family with connections to the landed gentry. He spent his early years in Moortown, Leeds.[1][2][3][4] Royal historian Robert Lacey describes the Middleton family as having aristocratic kinship, with Florence Kitson, Baroness Airedale (1868-1942) being Middleton's distant relative.[5] The Middleton family, including Michael's grandfather Richard Noël Middleton and his wife Olive, had played host to members of the British royal family in Leeds from the 1920s’ she went to a private prep school and partially boarded there, the fee for which would be now £22k per year, and then boarded at Marlborough College- one of the old ‘public’ schools, costing £47k per year. nobody who is normal or a ‘commoner’ goes to a £47k a year secondary school.

[@piratesswoop725]

28:25 Not quite true. The heir to the principality of Liechtenstein is married to Duchess Sophie of Bavaria, the heir to the grand duchy of Luxembourg is married to Countess Stephanie de Lannoy, and the King of the Belgians (whose heir is currently unmarried) is married to Mathilde d’Udekem d’Acoz, the daughter of a baron (now a count).

[@queencailo]

Coburg is not pronounced like the animal "bear." It is pronounced like "burger" minus the "-er."

[@matthewmacpherson5071]

Queen Elizabeth II was not 24 when she became Queen, she was 25 when she succeeded her father and became Queen.

[@jenihansen7201]

My favorite is Elizabeth Woodville.

[@danna7368yojfe]

Richard never tried to marry his niece

[@LJB103]

Maybe he was really a Habsburg; they did it all the time. And you see what a mess that became!

[@danna7368yojfe]

@@LJB103 There is no proof to claim that, in fact Richard was planning to make an alliance with Portugal and marry Elizabeth to some member of that house.

[@LJB103]

@@danna7368yojfe If you read history, it was a rumor of the time that Richard was (wait for it..) FORCED to deny.

[@jennifervillanueva8453]

😍❤❤😍 I'm so excited every Tuesday!! Thank you so much 💓 💗 ❤😊

[@EricsIdle]

EBL (QEQM) held out because she wanted to marry Edward... G asked her at least 5 times before she "accepted".. and by time 5, she was "knocking on" & it was obvious the life she'd have. Turned out OK for them in the end.

[@anweshabiswas1483]

Elizabeth Woodville and Anne nevile are my favourite ❤❤❤❤

[@SandyShuraMartin]

I'm not British and don't understand the difference between noble and commoners here. All these women were from upper class, from gentry. Why do you not consider them noble? Does it depend on the title? For example Eluzabeth Woodville's mother was very noble

[@pedanticradiator1491]

In Britain unlike some other European countries a person who does not hold a Royal title or a peerage in their own right or by marriage is by law a commoner even if they are from an aristocratic family

[@TheLizKirkland]

Hopefully if George will grow up and marry a royal of his own age bracket (ex. Princess Estelle, etc.), there will be a possible another ala "William and Mary" reign (co-rulers)

[@StevvieD]

Lol not gonna happen. I hope he doesn't marry so Charlotte will be Queen. She has great potential

[@TheLizKirkland]

@@StevvieD Why? Don't you like the possibility of George becoming king and the William and Mary-esque reign?

[@anitagorse9204]

Princess Estelle is second in line to Swedish throne, after her mother Victoria. I don't think anybody will push for this marriage to happen...

[@TheLizKirkland]

@@anitagorse9204 If her mother becomes queen, Estelle will be the heir apparent and her siblings will be pushed back, if Estelle will marry and have children. Is it BAD to have another "William and Mary" reign again?

[@StevvieD]

@@TheLizKirkland YES, Brexit, remember? 😅

[@GizmoOnyett]

To be fair, the Woodvilles were a scheaming bunch of social climbers, and not poor, defenseless victims.

[@chynagrl88]

Why is Kate Middleton not considered a commoner? Her parents worked

[@DarkSHadowI8]

She is no Queen yet

[@tahneyhuiet]

She is not a commoner. She is of royal decent. I am related to Camilla, Diana, and Charles. And their parents.

[@pedanticradiator1491]

In English law a commoner is someone who does not hold a Royal title or a peerage in their own right. Diana and the late Queen Mother both held courtesy titles or styles of Honourable and later Lady before being married but they were still considered commoners by law

[@emilybarclay8831]

Pretty much every average John of English descent has royal lineage.

[@Emma88178]

I didn't realize just how complicated the whole system of being a commoner was. What I mean is that seeing Elizabeth Woodville on this list surprised me. Her mother Jacquetta was the daughter of a Count, and because of that I thought she would be considered noble, or at least of noble ancestry therefore she wouldn't be a commoner. But since in those days it didn't matter who your mother was since your station in life was seen from your PATERNAL side and her father was born a common knight, that makes her commoner. Interesting!

[@leonelchavira7000]

Make one About King cosort😊😄

[@matthewmacpherson5071]

It would be a very short video as there were only 3 King Consorts in the entire history of the UK and its predecessor states. King Philip (who was the King of Spain) husband of Queen Mary I. King Francis II (who was The King of France) the first husband of Mary, Queen of Scots King Henry the 2nd husband of Mary, Queen of Scots

[@aeroTnz]

Elizabeth Woodville is legend

[@eleanorshakespeare8477]

Wait wait wait... Where did this story about Anne Neville becoming a cook come from? Yes George Duke of Clarance kept Anne out of sight but Anne escaped into sanctuary and married Richard. Richard got Anne's half of the Warwick fortune as Midlham Castle was part of Anne's portion of the inheritance.

[@nataliapanfichi9933]

princess diana used to work as a teacher before getting married.

[@blahblahblahblah729]

It was actually a preschool assistant. She didn't have a college degree to be able to be a teacher

[@Dunsapie]

Diana wasn't very well educated and didn't have the qualifications to become a teacher. She was a nursery assistant.

[@glen7318]

no, she was a helper at a nursery school

[@MrNatethraB]

So was the Queen Mother a good person? Or was it more like compared to Walis (a Nazi collaborator) she was better by comparison?

[@blahblahblahblah729]

Good or bad is too reductive. Sure she had her flaws, but she also stood up to the firm when they wanted to fire the gay staff, for being immoral, and said without them, the households would drown. She wasn't all evil and not all good. Like everyone else

[@olgicamiljkovic6113]

Svi su oni bili uz naciste SVI

[@LJB103]

It seems that she made lots of problems for Prince Philip: she wanted to keep the same position as close advisor to her daughter as she had been to her husband. That meant belittling the Mountbattens and convincing Elizabeth to "talk to mommie, not your husband."

[@chrisgeenadriver1631]

I thought William IV was guilt tripped down the aisle after Princess Charlotte died and George III had no legitimate grandchildren. Although he and Adelaide did have a contented companionship.

[@LJB103]

They also had 2 daughters, but they both died as children. It wasn't so much a guilt trip as a sweepstakes for who could produce the heir. Edward of Kent won although their brother Ernest Augustus and his son George would also become the Kings of Hanover.

[@ladylianhua]

None of them are commoners, especially The Queen Mother and Elizabeth Woodville.

[@nikitahollym]

Only last week I discovered that the Earl or Warwick is my 17th great grandfather, Queen Anne was our great aunt 😂 so extremely random!! Me and my sister have been gathering our family tree and it turns out that we’re related to both the Yorks and the Lancasters.. 😅 (ew) It’s truly fascinating stuff! I’m just annoyed that I grew up a peasant without a castle 😂

[@kaylynhewell8046]

0:34 figures On brand for those two... RIP Diana 🌹🕯

[@jefflisondra8555]

Elizabeth Woodville is the maternal grandmother of Henry viii

[@queenbess001]

Thank you so very much Lindsey Holiday I definitely appreciate some interesting content to watch because I’m an Anglophile and appreciate almost all things British 🙌🏾 !!!!

[@AliSakurai]

I can't tell you how much my grandmother did not like camilla. She could not stand charles and camilla was only added to that. She didn't care that they got married. But she only said that they both knew better than to in her words, ' Sneak around like a prostitutes and a philanderer'. Honestly I don't like her either. But it's mostly because of certain attitudes she's displayed during royal business.

[@glen7318]

what are you on about?

[@suzyfarnham3165]

I loathe Camilla. I also loathe Charles...

[@hannytierlierblaauw192]

Stop telling that the young sons of Elizabeth were locked up in the Tower. The Tower was the palace from which every king went to be crowned.

[@sabrinastratton1991]

Thats where theybwere locked up tho. It wasnt just a place royals went prior to their coronation but also a place were nobels were jailed

[@hannytierlierblaauw192]

@@sabrinastratton1991 The two princes were not locked up in jail. They lived in the royal apartments in the Tower. Under the Tudors the Tower became more a jail. There is no evidence at all that Richard III killed the two boys. There is no evidence that the boys were killed either. Even Henry VII never told that this had happened.

[@elizamccroskey1708]

I’m amused that Elizabeth I gets just a few seconds mention here🤷🏼‍♀️

[@Jonnmichelle]

Thank you!

[@michellecrocker2485]

Catherine parr is always a win for me

[@Lkydo8165]

FYI Queen Elizabeth II became Queen on February 6, 1952, and was crowned the following year on June 2, 1953. Queen Elizabeth II was 25 years old when she became Queen of England

[@pedanticradiator1491]

Queen of UK not England

[@VeracityLH]

I very much enjoyed this video. Question: When did the future William IV marry Dorothy Bland? I know they had 10 children but had never heard that they married.

[@pedanticradiator1491]

They never actually married not even illegally

[@pebble_soup9095]

I would love a video just about mary the second, i dont know too much about her and its only entertaining when its you talking about it 😂

[@pebble_soup9095]

Or queen ann!!!!!!!

[@katiewright4636]

Wait a second back me up: if the queen was on the throne first and she married a king wouldn’t that him a hing consort?

[@nuckelaveez5029]

Elizabeth Woodville is my favorite

[@LollipopLozzy454545]

Camilla's grandfather was literally a baronet, she's about as "common" as caviar.

[@emilybarclay8831]

Baronets are not peers or considered nobles

[@LollipopLozzy454545]

@@emilybarclay8831 Baronets are considered lesser nobility.

[@glen7318]

@@LollipopLozzy454545 no, the title is not noble -.

[@LollipopLozzy454545]

@@glen7318 lesser nobility.

[@diannewheatleygiliotti8513]

Thanks!

[@lilina_who]

Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard were NOT commoners. Especially Anne Boleyn has royal blood through both parents, tracing her line back to Edward I. Catherine was the granddaughter of the Duke of Norfolk, just a bit unlucky that her father was the third son and thus didn't get the title. Still doesn't take away from her heritage (Anne Boleyn also was a granddaughter of said duke, just on her mother's side). One can discuss the odd position Elizabeth Woodville was in given that her mother was a princess and only because of the low social standing of her father she was seen as what we today would call upper-middle class. To be fair, Jane Seymour and Catherine Parr also trace their lineage back to Edward III. Even Camilla has multiple royal ancestors, including Charles II of and Robert III of Scotland ... So when do we say "commoner", when "not so commoner" and when "close enough to be part of nobility or royalty"? The video should make clear where the criteria are set.

[@66bayouboy]

The only commoner is Camilla. The others came from lower ranked noble families

[@NintenGamer]

Queen Consort in waiting Catherine is also a commoner.

[@LJB103]

Nobles were commoners to the royals. Their families didn't rule anything.

[@StevvieD]

Not exactly Camilla is the granddaughter of an Earl and descendent of King Charles II. It's also rumored that since her great grandmother had an affair with Edward VII she could be his descendent as well.

[@pedanticradiator1491]

​@@StevvieDCamilla's has a distant cousin called Judith Keppel who looks a lot like her. Judith's great or great great grandfather was the brother of the husband whose wife had an affair with Edward VII. Judith was the first jackpot winner of the UK quiz show Who Wants to be a Millionaire and used to appear on the TV programme Eggheads

[@isabellajones-hyde9194]

William IV never married Mrs Fitzherbert, they just lived together

[@pedanticradiator1491]

You mean Mrs Jordan. Mrs Fitzherbert was George IV's mistress whom he did marry in sn illegal ceremony

[@isabellajones-hyde9194]

@@pedanticradiator1491 You are right

[@michellecrocker2485]

Elizabeth woodville had 2 sons from a previous marriage. What was in it for the boys from royal stepdaddy?

[@LJB103]

Thomas became Marquess of Dorset (and great-grandfather of Lady Jane Grey); and Richard was executed by Richard III.

[@robinturner1138]

Should Elizabeth of York be considered a co monarch rather than a consort. She had a legitimate claim to the throne through her father.

[@melodyclark1944]

She did not have the role of co-monarch

[@yayfood6361]

Wow just wow 😅