Comparing Stances in Grappling Martial Arts

[@SenseiSeth]

What’re some similarities or differences that you noticed?

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

Well, it's pretty clear. As BJJ has takedowns from Wrestling and Judo, you'll see people from BJJ using a stance from one of those 2 sports. most BJJ guys will just lower themselves like in wrestling so they can defend themselves against leg takedowns and also do them more easily, while some others will have more of a Judo stance and will rather try leg sweeps like the O Soto Gari or the De Ashi Barai (Harai) differences you say? Eh... people in Judo, people never have a low stance. While in almost every other grappling art, people crouch a lot.

[@antatomik]

As a wrestler I appreciate this video so thank you very educational. Now since you dropped a question. Here is a similarity on all the styles. As you age and get hurt if you are a smart wrestler you adapt so you can compete or spar smart. Now the difference maneuverability plays a big role in wrestling for attacking from the outside or evading shots and take the back (cool variation example if you type in YT Old Master Wrestler vs Student)

[@TheOldSchoolCrisis]

Hey Sensei Seth, I would love to see a video where you break down or discuss some of the most important moves/options from each fighting style. For example everyone loves to give TKD a lot of flack for being safe space karate, but no one can argue that they have great kicking prowess/technique, I have never seen a discussion on Muy Thai that didn't talk about specifically their legendary Leg Kicks and Round House, Catch Wrestling seems to have a huge emphasis on leg and body locks that you don't get in other grappling styles, etc. As a thought experiment I would love to hear your opinion on something like "If I could only take one thing from each martial art what would it be?" whether it be a specific technique or just a general stylistic through line that is used in multiple options. Love the channel and keep up the good work.

[@donflynn9030]

@@jestfullgremblim8002 It isn't necessarily true about Judo IF people don't have grips, stances in judo are a little lower (especially back when leg grabs were allowed). The reason that crouching is less common in Judo is due to two reasons - 1) crouching opens you up to sacrifice throws a bit and 2) moving from a crouch makes it harder to do the sliding footwork in judo that protects you a bit from leg sweeps. I say that because even the very good wrestlers I've worked with have a tendency to lift their whole foot off the mat as they move, which would be helpful if I was any good at footsweeps.

[@kungfujoe2136]

all grapling stands are great for SWEEPS (and lowkicks ofc)

[@wafflescripter9051]

Stances summarized Wrestling: Protect your legs Judo: Attack with hips BJJ: Pull guard, why are you standing?

[@SenseiSeth]

He heh heh

[@xhesil8848]

You have the perfect name to talk BJJ. Okay, I suppose "Purple Pancake Belt" is probably better, but still were pretty close

[@wafflescripter9051]

@@xhesil8848 My name has been optimized for this purpose

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

I love guar pulling jokes

[@nicholasneyhart396]

Can't forget wrestling if you are short: attack with your hips because no one can grab your leg anyway.

[@jakeupton5125]

2:40 "I just want to get inside of you." ;) That eyebrow raise had me dead.

[@SenseiSeth]

Hahaha

[@insalubriousdithyramb1742]

"I dont know I do Karate." That one killed me. Well done Sensei.

[@SenseiSeth]

😂🙏

[@sdsith]

I do both wrestling and judo and never realized how much I mix the two in terms of footwork. Naturally I use judo throws when I wrestle but I never realized I also take small "judo steps" to protect my legs in wrestling.

[@regalisexa3869]

Indeed, I feel you on that, it's the little things in footwork and kuzushi that stay with you even when you don't realize.😅

[@midshipman8654]

do you take any wresting over to judo?

[@sdsith]

@@midshipman8654 very little. I tend to use much more strength and "brute force" in wrestling that just doesn't really carry over into judo. I may have a stronger base/ know how to lower my center of gravity better from wrestling but I'm not sure.

[@midshipman8654]

@@sdsith Yah, because ive felt wrestling has helped my defense a good deal in judo. as well as in the “scrap” between perfectly executed techniques. something about the wrestling explosiveness has helped me readjust when me and my opponents get into odd positions due to a poorly executed movement or a partially successful defense.

[@sdsith]

@@midshipman8654 that makes a lot of sense! I never even thought about that! I'll have to pay more attention when I get in situations like that. I usually set my mind a lot in the technique when it comes to judo so I may have missed that carryover! Thank you for sharing that and good analyzing!

[@TheLakeKing]

VERY EPIC LORD CHUBBERNAUT

[@SenseiSeth]

Hahahaa

[@ellisv8866]

Graciously chubby may I say

[@michaelbeal1400]

A little karate, then on to wrestling, a bunch of Judo, and then some boxing... my feet have been confused since the 5th grade

[@SenseiSeth]

Hahaha feet shmeet!

[@SenseiSeth]

They don’t know better anways

[@michaelbeal1400]

@@SenseiSeth ha mine never have

[@danielsales4902]

You must have the most unshakable base ever

[@michaelbeal1400]

@@danielsales4902 haha you'd think I wouldn't be clumsy

[@leecappello9604]

Whoo! Sensei Rodriguez, is an awesome instructor and coach. I’m so glad he could be in a great video like this one and we could learn from him.

[@camiloiribarren1450]

I think grappling stances are easy to transition to if one works on the shiko dachi (sumo/horse stance in karate) because it’s just a few tweaks one has to do. Love that Seth is out learning

[@lucascastro2802]

I did about 8 years of karate before joining bjj and it helped me SO much with my stances. Everybody compliments me on how hard it is to sweep me, it is great

[@dovahkiin5773]

@@lucascastro2802 same here, i am doing kick boxing MT style and bjj and everyone tells me that same thing

[@ajmjl9102]

@@dovahkiin5773 its probably bc in MT and karate sturdiness is so important rooting your stance is something beginners in karate work on getting perfect and in MT the knockdowns are important bc how its scored just a theory

[@BartasRapowanie]

Damn, I remember back in a day when you put judo in a mediocre tier, love how now you’re giving it a lot of love Very cool

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

Yeah, most people that though that Judo and Capoeira were bad are actually realizing how useful these arts are

[@mndeg]

Judo is a bigger and more competitive sport globally than wrestling

[@jansettler4828]

@@jestfullgremblim8002 Capoeira is a meme. Unlike Judo

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

@@jansettler4828 ah yes, get a meia lua de compasso or martello du negativa on the face (or actually anywhere else) and come back here to see if you still think that capoeira is a meme. The thing is that capoeristas don't presure test a lot, that's why not all of them know how to act in a real fight.

[@jansettler4828]

@@jestfullgremblim8002 OK? Show me some real fight footage of Capoeira working then.

[@Katsanargle]

Yes! Super fun, and informative. I've been waiting for a vid like this from you. Keep it up dude, love the content as always!

[@gutsluke1842]

Great video! I do goju karate for years, and I am currently working on the study of the ‘ Sanchin stance’ by compare the stance to judo and muyi thai . And this video help me a lot, great thanks!

[@brandone4794]

dope video Seth a full indepth on the Judo stance was great :)

[@SenseiSeth]

🙏

[@danielsales4902]

Thank you man 🙏🏻 I was never taught a stance for bjj so this helps a lot

[@anderson8463]

Thanks for the judo and martial art content much love keep coming with the judo and all add hapkido also if you can

[@SenseiSeth]

🙏🙏

[@vatravlahilor492]

hapkido HAHAHA

[@sixstringrevolver6742]

All these guys know what they are talking about (from what I can tell from my noob viewpoint). Love the channel. Love these types of videos. Thank you Sensei's for all the teaching and knowledge! :)

[@florianfettke4754]

Great video ^^ I'm just a bit confused by the judo guy. "If I take a few steps I get a penalty, if I stand still I don't" (I probably butchered it). In every national/ international rule set it's the exact opposite. You get penalized for inactive time. This time is relative. So when you are active, grip fight, make an entry to a throw, fight over positions and when you MOVE, you won't get penalized as fast. Standing still, not taking any steps will get you penalized in like 3-5 seconds. This holds true for basically every rule set (IJF, USAJ, GJF, in the Olympics and all other national organizations I know of).

[@jeanackle]

Not much I have to say, but in the video, the Judo instructor did those three steps moving BACKWARDS. When I saw it, that's what I presumed he was saying: three consecutive steps backwards would get you a penalty. Would this be compatible with your knowledge?

[@jeanackle]

​@@Matt90Nine Well, I did think of Hajime when I posted my first reply, but it's still a bit confusing, really. Hajime basically means "Engage!", or phrased in the negative, "Stop stalling!". In the context of Judo, walking backwards is not, per se, any indication that you're stalling. You may be trying to set up a throw of the uke to their forward, provoking a reaction, etc. However, what the instructor in the video said was "three steps" and the steps he took were backwards. Therefore I imagined there might be a rule where if you take three consecutive steps back and do nothing else to attack, then it might be considered stalling.

[@soulsuma]

I love you so much man! You have helped me on my martial arts journey! And your videos are so entertaining!

[@SenseiSeth]

I’m happy to help bud!

[@Kali-8]

Couldnt agree more

[@MrHelpful709]

Been waiting on a video like this, awesome stuff!

[@SenseiSeth]

Ayeee

[@TheFightBible]

Wow dude... In depth work! 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 Come along way from karate guy kicking bottles 🤣🤣🤣

[@TheOldSchoolCrisis]

Not just bottles, he also kicks bags and children XD

[@charrleschervanik3632]

4:04 There is a Game plan for wide stepping on purpose, as to bait them to try and take that leg, but you have to have a Lethal Sprawl. As in your hips need to have a near instant mat slap time. Also I typically did this baiting technique expecially outside the clinch range, so that they would fall into the mindset of take the leg. Made a few traps for andaconda choke pins, Cow catchers, and butterfly guillotines real easy.

[@ganjagym]

Am I he only one sorely missing the King, GRECO-ROMAN WRESTLING???

[@jaketheasianguy3307]

Nah, the king is Catch As Catch Can

[@counterkidnapping1737]

Greco Romantis don't have a stance. They just do over under clinch to begini witu

[@kaiceecrane3884]

@@counterkidnapping1737 what lol no stance?

[@masterzedd4]

@@counterkidnapping1737 I totally disagree, The grecco roman stance is a wide squat but a much more upright posture, more like sumo or judo.

[@YinkoWuji]

These stances really blend well with boxing's inside fighting, thanks for the cool vid

[@joshuamfischer]

Really great job on this one man!!

[@SenseiSeth]

Thanks Joshua!

[@CitroChannel]

That analysis at the end was some high tier art! Really had an abstract vibe to it. Who knew Sensei Seith was such a non-martial artist too? 😂

[@IncredibleMD]

I once heard a football player say that any offensive line coach who didn't show their players footage of sumo wrestlers was a bad offensive line coach, because sumo wrestlers are the best offensive linesmen.

[@douglasmacneil4474]

Have my first mma fight on the 26 of this month. Doing karate since I was 12. So, should be interesting lol

[@ZackofAllTradesct]

Good luck man.

[@ryanliu494]

1:08 Seth struggling not to side kick him in the face right here. ITS RIGHT THERE

[@jasonborges6701]

It wouldn't work though... #sidekicksdontwork

[@d.nguyen4993]

Hi Seth, if you were a karate point style fighter. Lets say you are currently studying (in not America) and have one exchange semester (6months) somewhere (like America). What martial art (other than karate) would you take to improve your fighting?

[@SenseiSeth]

Muay Thai

[@kyquinn3247]

Judo sensei was spot on, but never mentions that you should slide your feet and try not to take your feet off the mat unless you have to

[@notoriousquinnb]

"I just wanna get inside ya." Watch out for the oil check Seth!

[@kingofgufi]

You are great at comparing styles! Ty Seth

[@csl9843]

wrestling bjj and judo together is great trio for anyone who aspires to be a good grappler

[@coopscommentary5372]

Yo Adli Edwards does have a good record, his last fight was in my local promotion, def gonna keep an eye on that man.

[@juliushauck3981]

According to my experience in Judo (I trained it when we were allowed to grab legs) the stance didn't change that much. I guess it's more because you don't want to get grabbed beyond the shoulder. Also, but that's just my theory, it also might be a "leftover" of early times (early 20th century) when it was also about self defense when striking was a thing. You can find a lot about that in the videos of chadi here in KZbin, which I absolutely would recommend. Judo wasn't that much about striking, but it did indeed include striking. And in self defense your opponent would use striking too, so a very low stance wouldn't be that mobile. But that's as I mentioned my theory about it and some others might know more about that. It did work well for me in MMA, JiuJitsu (Not bjj) and self defense nonetheless.

[@gingercore69]

Fun fact, sumo stance is similar to wrestling but putting lots of efforts on not touching the ground with your hands even by accident, and since hooking palms are allowed, they usually do like a weird peekaboo head movement thing but with the hands in a similar way to judo... But as soon as shit hits the fan it looks like chaos(but it isnt)

[@Mr.Smiley_J]

Sumo is such an amazing art, sadly underappreciated in the west.

[@gingercore69]

@@Mr.Smiley_J it got bad rep in ufc 1 but... First, it was an early stop... 100% sure about that... And second, they picked a guy who only fought in the lower divisions, who only won 3 times in 2 and a half years and was retired for 5 years... He had been out of training for twice as much as he was competing... If they called chyonofuji, who had just retired he year before, had over 1000 wins, multiple golden stars, was a literal yokozuna and looked like a final boss from a mortal kombat game, i bet things would have been waaaaaaaay different...

[@Lynwood_Jackson]

I wish he would've expounded more on tracking foot movements in wrestling. Everybody moves in a certain pattern, so you coordinate your attack based on when and where the other person's feet are going to be. I used complicated footwork patterns as a form of defense because it made it extremely difficult for the other person to figure out where I was going to be so they could plan their attack. Basically, 15 seconds of rapid movements give you 10-12 seconds to set up a shot and figure out the other person's movements and 3-5 seconds to take the shot before the other person figures out where you're going to be. It backfired one time though; I hit a high crotch at the same time my friend was going in for an ankle pick and my forehead hit the corner of his chin and his nose. He stood straight up, his eyes rolled into the back of his head, he fell backwards and was out like a light before he hit the mat.

[@poriccrompton]

Solid content once again

[@gianandreagiacoma]

Nice video! You may also testing Shuai Jiao and sambo :)

[@jiujitsuismyoutlet]

Great video Seth. Love the content

[@AuraKnight8]

0:51 Box Stance You defend in order of Hands then arms then forehead Sprawling is a big part of all wrestling when it comes to stopping takedowns When I did wrestling there was always a hand for attacking and one hand for defending. When I did wrestling for me, I had my attacking hand above my defending hand. My defending hand is palm up and my attacking hand is palm down. So when they attack I use my defending hand to grab their arm and so on… ( 3:14 which is what he’s trying to explain) i don’t wanna make this comment long but that’s kinda of the idea usually

[@dzimikes]

Actually wrestling has several stances. This particular one is used in freestyle/folkstyle

[@HittokiriBatosai]

9:19 Taekwon-Do to boxing, first thing I noticed was whoa this guy is wayyy closer to me than I'm used to. Gonna start doing judo this year, just realized the other dude's gonna literally on top of me. That's gonna take some getting used to

[@escrotte]

Great video Sensei!

[@cloudshifter]

Don't forget Wrestling is more than 1000 years old. "A healthy mind is a healthy body".

[@INDAMOMENTFilms]

Sensei Seth is definitely embracing the inner chubbernaught by exploring on grappling haha 🤙🔥

[@jeanackle]

15:08 to 15:10 That looks so much like the Capoeira ginga (three-steps "stance")!

[@joatanpereira4272]

the worst ginga ever lol

[@jeanackle]

@@joatanpereira4272 Why's that?

[@Christopher_Boyd]

See. I get on KZbin. Watch a JRE clip and what pops up? Sensei Seth. Every Social media account I get on you're there stalking me. 😅

[@Matt_the_rebellion]

Every gym I trained at never really go over stances whether it’s grappling or striking. I never understand striking until I looked up stances and what purpose they serve.

[@crystalskunk3658]

Something to note about Judo stance is that the open stance matchup changes things quite a lot. It becomes more about getting the underhook or the wizzer with the lead hand, or picking up sweeps to get into range inside or outside

[@mateusz3162]

I think it's important to emphasize that in sports judo you can't shoot for the legs

[@amitchatterjee3772]

this is a great video! can you do one about blocking?

[@HolidayXperiment]

Thank you so much for making videos like this

[@igotmydd214]

If I may ask, which grappling stance is easier to transition to using your Karate? i.e, if you were making a Venn Diagram, which system would have the majority of overlap with Karate?

[@heavymeddle28]

Funny thing, I used to compete for many years in judo back in the 80s but it was always against judo. So if someone would have asked me how a "judo stance" would look like, I probably would have just wrinkled my forehead 😅

[@jaeyoungkang5951]

One more interesting stance to cover for grappling arts would have been old-school Gracie Jiu-Jitsu (distinct from modern BJJ). The difference of having to deal with striking changes the stance a lot, I think, because the old Gracie Challenge videos don't have that many clips of the Jiu-Jitsu fighter in the bent-over stance.

[@jeanackle]

Another interesting one would have been Sambo. A large part of it ('s grappling) is Judo, but there are other elements in there too (traditional Turkish wrestling is one I believe). There is also its Combat Sambo variant, which allows striking.

[@dovahkiin5773]

Gracie bjj is just judo if you look their old videos

[@remy9240]

Do you think other sports (like football, tennis, badminton, squash) have an impacton how well you fight?

[@ethankim6624]

The best sensei on KZbin

[@SenseiSeth]

Too kind 🙏

[@mouchthebiker2938]

martial arts are like languages, the more you speak the more arguments you can win

[@victoriasecret101ful]

You're almost 100k subs bro!

[@SenseiSeth]

I know!! Sooo close

[@mxu111]

For hips, just put a sticker then draw on that sticker. I was confused by the markings, esp, the orientation of the feet as you were diagramming.

[@harliiquinnstarlight]

"What does all of this mean? I don't know I do karate" 🤣🤣🤣

[@RamonChiNangWong078]

hahaha, I like what you did there in the end.

[@chrismaynard8600]

You have mastered the art of drawing hips

[@TheFightBible]

Also.... Please tell me the Judo guy is the dad of the BJJ guy and the wrestling guy is the Judo guys illegitimate kid conceived from a 1 night stand in college? 🤣🤣🤣

[@maxzhao8331]

very educational video

[@lukely3588]

Early! Love your content!

[@SenseiSeth]

Thanks bro!

[@oliviamaslin7783]

AND ITS HERE BEFORE SUNDAY YESSSS

[@SenseiSeth]

AHHHH.. wait was that important? Lol

[@oliviamaslin7783]

@@SenseiSeth it's not necessarily important. I'm just excited to have new content

[@SenseiSeth]

Haha oh okay! Thanks 😂🙏

[@netninja8043]

Never mind the stances, that Judo uniform looks extremely comfortable. My new stance would be on the ground taking a nap.

[@OneNvrKnoz]

Notice the bjj guy’s front leg is hanging out more than the wrestler. In wrestling you’d be inviting a single leg takedown with only a sprawl to counter. In bjj you can bait the guy to shoot a takedown to execute a guillotine choke

[@SenseiSeth]

Yes! We talked about how different styles bait, but figured that may be more enjoyable for another video. Good catch!!

[@vittocrazi]

@@Matt90Nine the korean tai otoshi is just mad

[@vittocrazi]

@@Matt90Nine the korean tai otoshi is just mad

[@michaelkennedy1212]

He did it, the absolute madlad!

[@jestfullgremblim8002]

???

[@josequins9099]

Getting close to 100K!

[@nadyamikhailova7527]

What program do you use for editing?

[@MinhaFamiliaAQBJJ]

Hey Seth if given the opportunity would you go train Steven Wonderboy? Our kickboxing coach went up there to help him train a couple times cuz of his karate background. I can imagine you and Wonderboy would hit it off badass

[@SenseiSeth]

Haha type “Sensei Seth Wonderboy” in KZbin search 😉

[@MinhaFamiliaAQBJJ]

@@SenseiSeth brrrrooooo no frikken way!!! This is badass!! Way too cool brotha!! I hear his dad is the nicest man ever✊

[@Patrick-sheen]

Very very cool video

[@wyattbarron2734]

Hey I recommended this on Instagram!!!

[@SenseiSeth]

Sure did!

[@counterkidnapping1737]

What wrestling? Folkstyle? Freestyle? Greco?

[@Deanwrd]

My training is in Judo. The center, your center dictates and the flexibility to capitalize on your opponent is instrumental. I have tried all forms and I find that judo is the best because it incorporates wrestling tactics and JJ ground work. It has worked for me handsomely. But remember Judo is an evolved or elaborate training from Jiu Jitsu.

[@ElDrHouse2010]

It means that Kudo is an amazing martial art to learn.

[@malkomalkavian]

Good vid :)

[@C_Castillo]

Sensei seth, i want to get better at technique but surviving off the dew of a ginko leaf and energy from the universe is hard, how do i improve

[@Brucelee-pv6uf]

You are doing amazinnnng shit 😫😫❤❤❤❤❤

[@ryanliu494]

AYOOOO one for the real martial artists on your channel lol

[@SenseiSeth]

😂😂

[@bangisamu6851]

6:52 yeah i know that stance... Bin furuya use this stance for the first Ultraman fighting stance. Yeah he is a judo-ka

[@SANDIPDA999]

Hey Sensei Seth. You should watch Deba Thapa Wrestling videos. Really very funny.😆😆😆

[@thebatmanwholaughs7877]

17:42 in Greco Roman wrestling your not allowed to shoot only allowed slams/ throws and such

[@neonhavok]

Shoulda gone to shintaro for the judo part

[@SenseiSeth]

Let me just fly to NYC really quick

[@raywest7222]

You should do a review of guerrilla jiujitsu

[@thebugbear9198]

Greco wrestling stance is epic for MMA

[@jacksondarnell6195]

It’s weird, i did wrestling for like 9-10 years when I was super young, and i never realized that it’s very similar to a martial art and imo is one. It just feels weird that I practiced a martial art in my life

[@tanyachandler2326]

Yeah, wrestling is martial arts! So is boxing, and European sword fighting. Martial arts are really just any kind of combat system.

[@raulaleman2277]

Awesome ending. Ahahaha

[@cedricjustina.alcoseba6880]

sensei seth an you try to react or break down the fights in one championship please

[@ninjadragon809]

❤

[@anti1training]

5:10 Oh I'll hop on now ;) Hahahahahaha

[@SenseiSeth]

What? Lol

[@anti1training]

@@SenseiSeth 5:10 I'm sorry man, you set it up and I just had to knock it out 😂

[@Samuel-cu9vo]

I feel like a third friend who wasnt really invited when watching this

[@SenseiSeth]

What? Why?!

[@billybobjoe1853]

chubby surprise is the best pokemon card ever

[@ShaquanTalbert]

I like being low like a wrestler with my hands up like Muay Thai fighter. I move like a boxer but I still use my kicks from goju Ryu (with the exception of leg kicks). I wanna learn more BJJ though.

[@nkopanelesedilebona9227]

Why did I almost think Ramsey was in this video? O-o

[@sfadsgdsgsfd8754]

because all bald people look the same

[@SenseiSeth]

That’s hair-ist

[@themilkemissary7898]

@@SenseiSeth do you mean bald-ist?

[@SenseiSeth]

I mean, sorta 😂

[@biohazard724]

When Seth said "here in (Raleigh NC)" my brain filled in "Shanghai, China"

[@TheOriginalJAX]

Hmmm what's with this idea that BJJ is the only serious game in town when doing Ne-waza (ground technique) Do judo practitioners not bother with groundwork anymore?

[@lyrasunshard3769]

What's the best style for MMA?