Conflicting Altitude Reports in DC Air Disaster, New Details in Medical Jet Crash in Philadelphia

Families of victims of the deadliest U.S. air disaster in nearly 25 years visited the crash site just outside Washington, D.C. on Sunday
They walked along the banks of the Potomac River near Reagan National Airport, close to where an American Airlines jet and an Army Black Hawk helicopter collided on Wednesday.
Authorities said Sunday they had recovered and identified 55 of the 67 people killed.
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[@DirtyPlumbus]

Helicopter had every possible warning. Their response was, "we see the jet."

[@btudrus]

They saw the wrong one and missed the one they crashed into...

[@jesseleblanc1199]

No e of that matters if the helicopter is at the elevation its supposed to be and on the right path ......3 sets of eyes in that helicopter....are we all looking at the wrong things this entire flight exercise ​@@btudrus

[@laymansview5246]

@@jesseleblanc1199 What if it's determined that ATC gave them the wrong barometric pressure? A difference of point one is equal to 100 feet.

[@jesseleblanc1199]

@laymansview5246 We have a helicopter not only off on altitude its off on the route its supposed to be on ....the air traffic controller....said pass behind tin jet ......that means arter the jet had passed that area to then go through that area....at no time should the have been in that same area from a birds eye view at the same time .....the folke in the Helicopter had already said they had located the jet ......what are you missing

[@btudrus]

@ The plane the helicopter crashed in was already too low to be seen against the lights of the skyscrapers....

[@ItsNotAllRainbows_and_Unicorns]

The helo routes need to change when traffic is incoming from that direction. A retired pilot who landed hundreds of times at that same airport said he always felt unease, and it was only a matter of time. Well, that time arrived. Why is it that blood must be spilled before proper action is taken.

[@brega6286]

Convenience and bureacracy.

[@whdbnrm3023]

The Potomac is approximately 2500 feet wide at the collision site . The flight path for helicopters is the bank on the Maryland side with a maximum ceiling of 200 feet . At this point the plane HAS to be much higher otherwise it is to low to make the runway The helicopter under any circumstance is NOT allowed in the center of the Potomac since it is the flight path for commercial airliners . Absolutely no private planes are allowed at Regan national airport . In 45 years of going to watch / photograph at Gravelly park I have NEVER seen a helicopter violate those rules . Typically they fly between 70 and 120 feet judging by the surroundings . The system was designed perfectly but it relies on pilots being professional , disciplined and competent . Only the best of the best should fly into Regan . Substandard DEI hires have no business there ,the stakes are too high . Thank you and god bless everyone

[@nobodyinparticular5224]

@@whdbnrm3023 Well said sir.

[@ItsNotAllRainbows_and_Unicorns]

@whdbnrm3023 love the info

[@josiahwillis8835]

They dont wait till people die, they wait until they are under fire from press to make changes. If they had the ability to hide it all they would and pretend like nothing happened

[@Kambia-o8s]

200 feet, 300 feet was not the problem. The problem was that the helicopter should never have been allowed anywhere near a plane on final approach. Even if that helicopter was at 200 feet, it would have still been a near miss incident.

[@caroleminke6116]

It was

[@jmyramila]

Exactly!!! What a horrible, hard lesson to learn! And at the expense of all the victims and their families! 😢😢😢

[@hotrodray6802]

But a miss

[@DICKZZZZ]

YEP 👍

[@Bonzi_Buddy]

Wrong.

[@KeithVaught]

“You could be here today and gone tomorrow. Eternity is what matters.” 🙏🏻

[@bwro66]

lol . critical thinking much more important than faith.

[@Reformedandrevived]

@bwro66Critical thinking would lead you to ponder where you’ll spend eternity…

[@PaulP567]

Profound.

[@bwro66]

@ critical thinking is the next step after pondering. lol. That’s the problems with faith and weak religious followers. They stop at pondering. Let’s ponder that big bright round thing in the sky. lol.

[@clarkgriswold-zr5sb]

@bwro66 Why do you and others like you work so hard to push your perspective? Seriously. I don't care that you are an atheist. Why do you care that some have faith??? A psychosis? Emotional issues??

[@theresaste]

Prayers for all. For those passed May they rest in peace

[@iwasbrithen6294]

And every family member impacted. After all this was an unfortunate tragic accident.

[@ronaldluning4010]

No excuses. The helicopter should never have been at glideslope altitude when crossing runway heading just in, like this case, they thought they were clear of conflict but we're not.

[@MarcPagan]

Fm a pilot - they likely ID'd the wrong aircraft as the CRJ. RIP.

[@skyboy1956]

no glideslope on Rwy 33

[@ronaldluning4010]

@MarcPagan exactly, again, if they hadnt been allowed to be in conflicting airspace the accident couldnt have happened., unless like the airliner was way below glideslope altitude.

[@spacecoastz4026]

@@skyboy1956 Of course there is. How else would a plane safely land?

[@skyboy1956]

@MarcPaganor or, misjudged distance, direction, speed, closing speed, or were confused by the sea of ground lights, or, or, or . . .

[@XY_Dude]

reports indicate the tower was under-staffed. Who will not get on the radio and warn when radar shows collision scenarios? Not "do you see it," but "turn... immediately" or something like that.

[@MarcPagan]

From a former CRJ pilot - RIP and prayers. The facts, including communications, ADS-B data, and videos, indicate that the crashes were likely due to : 1- DCA : 3 factors - ATC, chopper pilots, and light pollution. 2- PNE/Philadelphia: Spatial disorientation. 1st, DCA - The new restrictions on chopper transitions makes sense until DCA traffic is investigated. Why? The CRJ crash, and this additional fact: The day prior to the chopper killing the CRJ, to avoid a chopper there was a TCAS directed action (above 1000 feet AGL). A go around advised for a jet on final for 19. That said - A good hunk of the 1.8 million airline flights occurring annually, interact with transitioning military and police chopper flights. Safely, without incident - evidenced due to not hearing about them. Of course, one crash is one too many. Looking forward to the initial and final NTSB reports. Probable causes - ATC, chopper pilots, and light pollution. DCA, LGA, etc...are high workload. Especially on a circle to land approach, complicated by city lights. A pilot shouldn't need to look for traffic under 1000 feet ...while making a dog leg left, for a night visual, in city lights, At a minimum the pilots are simultaneously - Watching runway alignment, and aircraft speed, height, pitch, descent rate, and more = highest workload. Also, it's likely the chopper was on Route 1 - 200 feet max altitude published on the current chart. It crashed into the CRJ at 300+ feet. RIP. - 2nd - Philadelphia - I disagree with an explosion claim. Due to low ceilings, the "fire" was possibly aircraft lights. Plus, their gentle left turn after take off is dispositive to an emergency, or loss of control. However, making a left turn, yet told right, is an indication of spatial disorientation. They were in the soup/IMC - rather than turn right on course to 290 after take off from RW 24, they started a left turn. It's possible the left turn kept increasing in bank angle. So much that the aircraft finally flipped left, then dove in. Altitude was so low, that a spin didn't have time to develop. Data shows a rapidly increasing descent rate - Starting about 500 feet per minute, and ending at 10,000+ FMP. All the above are consistent with spatial disorientation. RIP.

[@MontanaVigilanteExplorer]

I''m betting the medical jet had a catastrophic event such as an explosion soon after takeoff. From the optics, etc., and bias from too many years of acute care around lots of oxygen tanks. However the theory of the first flash being landing lights is intriquing and first I heard; quite possible ... and all from my chair; non-pilot, etc. I have faith in the NTSB.

[@tony4534]

Dei

[@schismgamin]

The CRJ was not at fault. Landing is the most stressful part of an aircraft, and easy one of the hardest, most crucial parts of a flight, and you need all pilots present, laser focused, and paying attention to the runway at all times. Not searching for a helicopter that just might be in their path. Not to mention, the helicopter literally flew into the side/under of the CRJ, clearly, the helicopter and whoever was piloting the helicopter is 100% at fault. I 100% agree with your assessment

[@im.empimp]

DCA - helo - Another factor not mentioned is that there can be either 3 or 4 crew and there were only 3. Given all the known factors that you mentioned, and some other things that I've seen about the visibility that Blackhawk crews have when wearing night vision gear, it seems like a horrific policy to allow only 3 on a flight like this. DCA - ATC - Similarly, the ATC had a range of people who could have been working and one had apparently been allowed to leave early, which meant someone else had to double up on plane and helicopter traffic. (In another report I saw, it was implied it was the controller who was in charge of both the CRJ and Blackhawk). Again, given all the known factors, it seems there weren't enough controllers in place.

[@jonathanclark257]

Do the two have different radios and different frequencies is the altimeter in the helicopter set manually ? ​@@im.empimp

[@NinaFahey]

There's not going to be any explanation to exonerate the helicopter pilot. She was at fault

[@paulomarinho1963]

You are totally wrong, Captain Rebecca Lobach was the pilot flying the helicopter, therefore, she is not at fault, at all. Educate yourself.

[@miketype1each]

​@@paulomarinho1963We aren't in divorce court, bubba.

[@miketype1each]

100%. The reason she didn't see the plane was because she wasn't looking for it.

[@tony4534]

@@paulomarinho1963 She was unqualified and was the cause of this horrific incident.

[@Reformedandrevived]

@@paulomarinho1963I’m sorry you just said her name and then therefore she was not at fault as though her name alone makes it not her fault?

[@celloliu3600]

It’s really a Dark day , so sad . Condolences to all the families of those lost their loved ones.

[@theprototype3387]

I've worked for 2 different airlines and if people knew how lax nearly every aspect of air travel is they'd never want to fly anywhere again 😑

[@RasheedGazzi]

Is it all because of DEI 😏

[@SmokefromtheJay]

The jet pilots tried to pull up 💔 May the family find peace after such a tragedy.

[@vikingraider712]

Why would the helicopter try to pull up when they were 200feet too high tho?

[@DDAVO7]

No way the Blackhawk was at 200 feet. I’m not buying that. NTSB needs to keep their mouths shut on that subject until all the data has been analyzed.

[@jimdyer9455]

The radar data shows the helicopter dropping to 200 then returning to 300+. Seems like that part was ommited.

[@davessparetime83]

The Black Hawk Pilot might have thought they were at 200 ft but if they hadn't calibrated their altimeter to DC elevation, they could have not known they were too high at 300 ft.

[@jimdyer9455]

@@davessparetime83 SOP You calibrate the altimeter prior to lift off. Plus the GPS position of the Black Hawk includes an altimeter.

[@mrgoodman6620]

They had all the data they needed the very moment it happened! I saw enough myself to know the helicopter was at fault BIG TIME! They were at 200ft, had been and holding straight line and alt. As the plane turned in, so TOO did the helicopter, to the right and climed from 200ft to 250 300 350 then the collision at 375. The helicopter by turning and climbing, made a beeline to intersect with the plane. The confusion over altitude is because IT CLIMBED from 200-375!

[@whdbnrm3023]

@@davessparetime83 Being in the center of the Potomac is actually is a much bigger violation . If she would have been hugging the Maryland side ,NO way she could have flown into the airliner at 300 feet elevation

[@EdwinaGramuska]

The helicopter flew into the plane they did not collide

[@miketype1each]

Someone had the right of way, and it wasn't the military.

[@jessymfwilson]

Exactly

[@Dani-ICU-RN]

When 2 objects run into eachother, blindly or not, they collide... at the fault of chopper in this case

[@laymansview5246]

"The helicopter flew into the plane...". That's called a collision bright eyes.

[@robertadams2857]

correct

[@jeanlilley3139]

Thank you, kind sir, for the reminder that life is short and how we spend our life is important!

[@PaulP567]

If the Helicopter crew had what they thought was the landing CRJ in sight then their intention and actual action was to pass in front of it. ATC had previously instructed them to go behind the landing CRJ. They should have flown reciprocal 33 until the aircraft they thought was the landing CRJ had passed. They didn't. This was a pilot deviation.

[@brega6286]

If they claim the helo was at 299feet...then the airplane had to be at 2oo feet. not possible !

[@owinstan]

Exactly my thought. PAT 25 was told to go behind the CRJ, which would have meant turning to the east, away from DCA airport. They did the opposite.

[@skyboy1956]

unless they misjudged distance, direction, speed, closing speed and didn't confuse the lights on the plane with the sea of background lights, or, or, or . . . many things could have happened here. Don't accept the 'easiest' explanation.

[@nobodyinparticular5224]

@@skyboy1956 Route 1 is an approved Route and is safe if published maximum altitudes are maintained. The Heli was tracking Route 1 and was at 200 ft AGL as it traveled along Route 1 until seconds before the collision as it rose up into the CRJ 700. Flight Aware Track Log Data indicates 325 ft AGL for the CRJ 700 at the collision. The Heli was above the Maximum allowed altitude at the location of the collision. The published altitude is 200 ft Maximum AGL the entire length of Route 1 until South of the Washington Bridge where it's raised to 300 ft Maximum AGL.m PAT 25 not maintaining the maximum AGL of 200 ft is the largest contributing factor of the collision.

[@vikingraider712]

@@skyboy1956how can you turn the wrong way tho even if your blind like the pilot seemed to before just before the plane landed

[@badass1g]

You can see the jet pull up just a second before impact on the newer footage

[@Didyouknow-p9l]

Nothing is harder than separation 😢. I hope that no one leaves their loved ones. My condolences to their families🙏🏻❤️‍🩹.

[@kylesanders182]

Deadliest in 15 years, not 25. Last US commercial flight to crash was in 2009

[@rl6116]

Praying for family and friends of both. These were valued people.❤

[@mmadcrhi473]

Pray for victims, may they rest in peace

[@storeliftlabs]

Nonsense, helicopter was clearly in the plane's path.

[@nobodyinparticular5224]

Route 1 is an approved Route and is safe if published maximum altitudes are maintained. The Heli was tracking Route 1 and was at 200 ft AGL as it traveled along Route 1 until seconds before the collision as it rose up into the CRJ 700. Flight Aware Track Log Data indicates 325 ft AGL for the CRJ 700 at the collision. The Heli was above the Maximum allowed altitude at the location of the collision. The published altitude is 200 ft Maximum AGL the entire length of Route 1 until South of the Washington Bridge where it's raised to 300 ft Maximum AGL.m PAT 25 not maintaining the maximum AGL of 200 ft is the largest contributing factor of the collision.

[@massdistractions]

They were clearly in each others paths. Why would ATC have two aircraft anywhere close to crossing flightpaths without making it clear that they are so close? Seen close calls way too many times myself to ignore that ATC is responsible for Air Traffic.

[@sharpe67]

Pilot of the Blackhawk only had 500 hours.

[@massdistractions]

And... How many hours do you have? For a Captain that sees to it that Warrant officers get their flight hours done, she's not expected to have a lot of flight hours. She was one rank away from not flying anymore. It's not been confirmed that she was at the controls. Standard procedure in Army helicopters is for the pilot to communicate with ATC. He is very clearly the one talking to ATC. I am sure that in your world everything is her fault even as the Co-pilot though.

[@AlvaritoAcevedo]

Peace and comfort to the family and friends of those who’ve been perished in the accident…🙏🙏🙏

[@cheshire147]

Prayers

[@robertcampbell9992]

This reeks of coverup!

[@tony4534]

Reeks of Dei

[@RichardMcLaren]

Tony reeks of ignorance. Blaming it on the catch all 'DEI' demonstrates a lack of intelligence and simple research.

[@massdistractions]

Reeks of cowards disrespecting people is all I see out of you.

[@buggsy64]

A woman pilot who was not qualified to fly in that area because of 500 flight hours caused the accident. Her social media was scrubbed before the release of her name due to her political views and anti Trump agenda. The lesbian pilot was part of the dei program and moved up the ranks from private to captain in 2 years, which usually takes 5 and up. Ask any Blackhawk pilot if 500 hours is enough to fly in the most demanding airspace like dc and you’re get the same answer, NO The reason why she was trying to get certified was to be able to fly and train other dei pilots who under the regular training program would not pass to become pilots.

[@clarkgriswold-zr5sb]

And why does a captain want to fly a DOD taxi route? Typically, this is a warrant officer or 1st, 2nd leutenant task.

[@mikbella1]

All of this. Crazy...

[@carolinejoyquinn]

How is you know this?

[@reagandogg9734]

DEI is a disease

[@jamesgibson4807]

Another Experiment Gone Horribly Wrong

[@rupe53]

did she really have to say this IMPACTED the community? Surely a better choice of words was needed there.

[@dub2459]

Former Biden staffer Rebecca Lobach probably shouldn’t have been allowed anywhere near a helicopter, but hey these are modern times right.

[@paulomarinho1963]

Captain Rebecca Lobach didn't caused this accident, so, why she "shouldn’t have been allowed anywhere near a helicopter". Also, one of the pilots on my very first flight was a female captain and she had an excellent reputation among her peers... in 1966, your "modern times" go back a long way.

[@ramanderson1]

Right, make it political AND misogynist. You don't know Jesus, do you?

[@clarkstonguy1065]

@@paulomarinho1963 The Captain accepted responsibility to keep from hitting the aircraft. Probably also had the altimeter set wrong so that ATC wouldn't know the helicopter was too high. The ATC "Radar" just triggers a transponder in the aircraft to report its altitude. If the pilot has it set wrong, then the wrong altitude will show up on the radar screen. This is 100% on the helicopter pilot although I wouldn't be surprised if there was DEI hire on the other side of the radio too.

[@paulomarinho1963]

@@clarkstonguy1065 "Probably also had the altimeter set wrong" They had flown at the correct altitude up until then and this strongly indicates that the altimeter was set correctly. "This is 100% on the helicopter pilot" Yes, indeed, the accident happened due to a navigation error and Chief Warrant Officer Andrew Eaves, the navigator, was the pilot responsible for this tragedy. "I wouldn't be surprised if there was DEI hire on the other side of the radio too" Are you sure that Chief Warrant Officer Andrew Eaves, the pilot tasked with radio communications, was a DEI hire?

[@massdistractions]

Well, why was she there then? What's your excuse? Why did she have to serve? What's your reason for not doing it? Because lazy and worthless refuse to serve. The job doesn't get done by lounge chair know it all's. That being said, she may very likely was the Co-Pilot so now you may look lazy and stupid at the same time.

[@jamesfrederick99]

This looks very sus

[@bwro66]

On our aircraft, to report our altitude, we have pressure altimeters, radar transponders, and ADS-b units, as well as GPS capabilities. All of these have limitations. On a flight today, these can all indicate a slightly different altitude. They all could be off from each other 5, 10, 50, 100 feet off from each other. At altitude its not a big deal. At lower altitude, it could be.

[@brega6286]

Two hundred feet for a helicopter is scary low.

[@nobodyinparticular5224]

@@brega6286 BS

[@nobodyinparticular5224]

Route 1 is an approved Route and is safe if published maximum altitudes are maintained. The Heli was tracking Route 1 and was at 200 ft AGL as it traveled along Route 1 until seconds before the collision as it rose up into the CRJ 700. Flight Aware Track Log Data indicates 325 ft AGL for the CRJ 700 at the collision. The Heli was above the Maximum allowed altitude at the location of the collision. The published altitude is 200 ft Maximum AGL the entire length of Route 1 until South of the Washington Bridge where it's raised to 300 ft Maximum AGL.m PAT 25 not maintaining the maximum AGL of 200 ft is the largest contributing factor of the collision.

[@vikingraider712]

@@brega6286and turning the wrong way being aid to biden and part time pilot dei program red flags all over

[@FP194]

Why did ATC not warn the plane or the helicopter when they saw they were on a collision course

[@mebdoc]

They did

[@massdistractions]

@ Where did they do that? ATC has them confirm that they had visual separation of an aircraft that has callsigns on his radar screen. The Helicopter crew can not see which aircraft is PAT25. In front of them was an aircraft taking off though. At no time did ATC tell them to pass behind the aircraft at their 5 o'clock position. ATC positioned these aircraft to be crossing flightpaths.

[@misfitking_0143]

Prayers for this World, ijmn, Amen 🙏🏽 ❤ Thank you for Sharing 👍🏽

[@loveyboo]

I doubt its about conflicting reports or confusion or misinformation. Its all about covering up the true altitude of the govt helicopter. Imo.

[@timteevin4517]

Conflicting altitude. How can that be??

[@tony4534]

Their scrambling for excuses to save the Dei pilot.

[@skyboy1956]

the pilots are dead.

[@RichardMcLaren]

Still not bothered researching who the pilots were, huh Tony? Of course not, you'd have explanation for how things could happen then. DEI is the default cause of anything too complex for morons to understand.

[@b00nz0r]

you mean the white male with the other white male and a woman doing training that also had hundreds on miles? Oh yea, and the drones just stopped flying right before this because the military wasn't testing unmanned flying which if they just 'ended' the pilots before and put them in the helicopter, you could say it was human error that did this and not planned to take out some journalist or whatever.

[@Grandpa_Boxer]

What a dumba** thing to say- Maggot (MAGA)

[@massdistractions]

She is no more a DEI than you are a man. She had to step up and do the job because too many people like yourself are stuck in your lounge chair. Lets hear why you didn't serve. Lets hear the excuses as to why she had to do a job that you feel only men can do. Even though, it is very likely that the Warrant officer was the one at the controls. Lets here them excuses. I have heard them all, I just want to hear your lame excuses.

[@R.S.NYC05]

Deep condolences to the families of the people who lost their lifes in both airplane catastrophies😔. There is no need to blame anyone or anything, we just need to remember to be emphatic towards each other in such tragic times.

[@MikeKemp-m7i]

It is beyond me that someone with 500 hours would be flying a doomsday scenero? Commercial pilots need minimum of 1500 hrs. This was a DEI initiative. She was alphabet and her social media showed it. Too much done wrong for me to believe this was accidental.

[@vigorouslethargy]

Ok, so who was it that put her on that specific training with lower than necessary experience? Who signed off that this was a good idea? Nobody seems to want to point fingers that way, only at the woman.

[@vikingraider712]

@@vigorouslethargydei program look up what it is she was going to train more dei to fly as well failed experiment

[@chatryna]

Only place I heard about victims on the ground is found here. Thank you.

[@Retrohairstylist]

Prayers For The Families Of All Involved! 🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽🙏🏽

[@Big_Tex]

FYI the tower’s radar cannot independently determine the plane’s altitude. The readout a controller sees is given by the aircraft’s own transponder, and for accuracy depends on the altimeter (barometric pressure) setting dialed in by the pilots. If the aircraft was reporting incorrectly, it may have been because the altimeter setting was a bit off from current conditions.

[@stevegyro1]

Heard the Army/military UH60 had their ADSB shut off. Is this true? I don’t blame the Helo pilots if this is fact, I blame the folks who write Gov’mt. Procedures. Many are not even pilots. Also, has anyone noticed that in the replay of the tower’ screen-display that just prior to this tragedy, that same BH came too close to another commercial jet taking off to the north. The replay SHOWS the accident BH performing ‘fish-hook’ avoidance turns for another CRJ. Please tell me I am mistaken. Somebody, or remote control, was tempting fate. I claim this because the ‘avoidance maneuver’ of the earlier CRJ was very late (delayed) indicating it was too close for comfort. One sign of remote control is delayed reaction. Let me know please.

[@vikingraider712]

Maybe that other pilot wasn’t dei because they still had the skill to avoid death

[@massdistractions]

@ You have a DEI brain.

[@toddbellows5282]

The jet flight recorder said it was between 300 and 350 ft when hit.

[@jasonbilas5734]

Sheesh. I have to fly into Dulles next month (not Reagan) but I’m very nervous after this. Most plane crashes happen either immediately after takeoff or landing

[@goombabear]

Performing training VFR maneuvers at night with TCAS off? The altitude cannot be determined at night due to spacial disorientation. It's imperative to use the aircraft's instruments when in poor visibility, especially at night when all of the lights become confusing. It seems the CRJ did see the Blackhawk and began to increase altitude, but obviously they didn't have time to avoid the collision. Someone needs to be court martialed.

[@stephenkern5784]

The commanders who authorized her to fly that route should be relieved of duty. Obviously catering to a DEI Biden side.

[@kevinheinz9819]

Seriously debating 100ft!? There is zero reason for such a flight path in front of a landing zone PERIOD! Admit the Blackhawk had zero reason to be there. 100 ft is to close!

[@HongyaMa]

Normalization of Deviation with procedures and Standards or A Deliberate Act of murder suicide with political motivation NOT an accident

[@paulanugent1207]

Oh for God’s sake. Grow up. What are you, 10 years old? Not everything is a conspiracy. 🙄 Sometimes bad things happen.

[@vikingraider712]

@@paulanugent1207changing course at the last second seems like a attack on Russian people which it was there was Russian figure skaters on board

[@markzajac9993]

A question I would also have is for fast was the Blackhawk going? Unlike jet, helicopters can maneuver quickly, stop and hover. If I had only 500 hours of flight time, flying in the dark, and in a congested air space, I would be driving that thing like an old lady.

[@vikingraider712]

I would also make sure I set the altitude which who knows if she did they won’t mention if she did or not

[@davessparetime83]

The Black Hawk Pilot might have thought they were at 200 ft but if they hadn't calibrated their altimeter to DC elevation, they could have not known they were too high at 300 ft. The tower messed up when they didn't advise the Helo to make an abrupt change in direction to avoid collision.

[@nobodyinparticular5224]

How did the Heli maintain 200 ft AGL as it tracked along Route 1 prior to the collision? According to Flight Trac Log from Flight Aware the Heli was at 200 ft on the entire route 1 until moments before the collision. Literally 2 data pings as it rose up into the CRJ 700. The Heli was supposed to remain at 200 ft AGL until after, or south of the Wilson bridge. Only then is the Heli allowed to climb to 300 ft AGL Maximum Altitude.

[@vikingraider712]

From what I heard they changed course but in the wrong direction not sure if they panicked and went right instead of left or dei kicked in

[@borismedved835]

The helicopter's altitude clearly does not change in the few seconds before the 375-foot collision.

[@Hellfurian1972]

There were suppose to be 30 air traffic controllers in the tower and there were only 19. They are at fault big time as is the US gov chopper pilot. Big lawsuits are incoming and are well deserved. GET DEI OUT OF ALL IMPORTANT POSITIONS!

[@nobodyinparticular5224]

The Heli was tracking Route 1. The published altitude is 200 ft Maximum AGL the entire length of Route 1 until South of the Washington Bridge where it's Published 300 ft Maximum AGL. The Heli was at 200 ft AGL as it traveled along Route 1 until seconds before the collision as it rose up into the CRJ 700. Flight Aware Track Log Data indicates 325 ft AGL for the CRJ 700 at the collision. The Heli was above the Maximum allowed altitude at the location of the collision.

[@karlkalasky6066]

So sad...terrible both r so tragic

[@ame7272]

I still don't understand till today why planes in general, don't have some sort of headlights

[@Tommy4Gauge]

Imagine coming to rhe us to fight for you're life just to be taken out by a faulty medical plane

[@presentmoment6542]

The coverup begins

[@heaven-is-real]

helicopters should not be in that airspace

[@kennethpereyda5707]

it's where they train for evacuation of Gov in a emergency ? maybe not build a new runway 33 ( new ) in a already crowded air space

[@nobodyinparticular5224]

Route 1 is an approved Route and is safe if published maximum altitudes are maintained. The Heli was tracking Route 1 and was at 200 ft AGL as it traveled along Route 1 until seconds before the collision as it rose up into the CRJ 700. Flight Aware Track Log Data indicates 325 ft AGL for the CRJ 700 at the collision. The Heli was above the Maximum allowed altitude at the location of the collision. The published altitude is 200 ft Maximum AGL the entire length of Route 1 until South of the Washington Bridge where it's raised to 300 ft Maximum AGL.

[@vikingraider712]

Just because a dei forgot to calibrate altitude and changed course at last second they should expand runway or not allow realistic training that a none dei can easily do

[@massdistractions]

@ Guess it's time for you to get out of your lounge chair and show them how it's done. I don't understand why any of them were there, you should have been there Mr. perfect. Seeing to it that the job got done instead of sitting on your behind while others are serving. Now is the time though, put up or shut up. Let's hear of your date of enlistment. I would expect nothing more than excuses though.

[@riverakers]

Barometric settings on the helicopter may have been incorrect.But they were still under VFR.

[@nobodyinparticular5224]

The problem is the heli was above the specified altitude for the pattern it was following. It was supposed to stay at or below 200 ft AGL until after it crossed the Potomac River.

[@죄사함예수님십자가보]

“that if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.” ‭‭Romans‬ ‭10‬:‭9‬ ‭KJV‬‬

[@jamesmcdonald5026]

Lobach worked as a white house aide for Biden.

[@vikingraider712]

And given keys to a helicopter as a part time pilot with less then 500 hours

[@massdistractions]

@ That's not how that happens but nice try.

[@jamesmcdonald5026]

@massdistractions you have been misinformed or are just lying 🤥

[@kenamick-ij9cs]

American Airlines should sue Army for destruction of plane and reparations for customers, or lose staff and customers. The Blackhawk was not even there to land at Reagan Airport, but playing around over the Potomac-hardly doing any training at all but playing on a joy ride.

[@perfectblue8443]

Agreed 100%

[@teenageapocalypseusa5368]

The movement was also so erratic it looked like it was being piloted by a drunk or DEI hire

[@skyboy1956]

yes, it's important that blame be assigned and punishment dealt out accordingly because that's how safety is improved, with threats and reparations. 🙄

[@kennethpereyda5707]

um, no. They been doing this training mission for years, why build a new runway ( recent ) in already crowded air space

[@Hope-ot1xy]

Could have been the fault of Air Traffic Control as well.

[@jemma6596]

Who knew firing trained employees and putting in no one or uneducated sycophants would cause severe destruction in record time?????

[@stuarthayward2220]

The “medical jet” crash sure doesn’t look like a jet in footage NOT being shown in mainstreamed media. The explosion and the crater don’t match most plane crashes either

[@massdistractions]

It looks exactly like that when it comes down at full speed nose down. Not sure what you are crowing about.

[@ronaldrey8474]

Hey CBN, was Blackhawk cleared to be over the River ? Years ago I remember hearing not to cross the banks or the rivers water edge .

[@12qwe349]

The media's acting like we haven't seen the facts for ourselves 😂. The "conflicting altitude" trope. f the msm

[@inglesparatodoslx-zr6ih]

Praying 🙏❤

[@A3Kr0n]

If eternity is what matters, what is he waiting for?

[@AAA-o4g]

The unlearned would say this was Trumps fault

[@ilasas]

The unlearned would say this was a DEI fault

[@theboringchannel2027]

the ignorant would blame it on DEI like your messiah did. the poorly educated would believe it as fact. why you are so loved.

[@sparks3019]

@@ilasastell that to all the highly qualified applicants that were ignored. Go back in your hole.

[@potatobang7713]

​@@ilasaswar mongering murica has a sickness within. it called Diddycrat DEI WOKENESS. maybe trump should be purging them instead of illegals.

[@technohippie2702]

@@ilasasDEI is a phuckin disaster I will never think it’s a good thing to hire people for their color and religion over merit and ability!! 😂 what a joke!

[@kennethpereyda5707]

I'm not sticking up for the pilot- The controller should of been way more aggressive than : do you see them : while the collision alarm was sounding for over 10 seconds, they assume the Blackhawk and the controller were looking at the same plane, were they ? When the alarm was sounding, they should of said do you see plane at 11 o-clock high AND turn left to avoid NOW.......... NOW NOW

[@MrMajikman1]

Agreed! Even though the ATC knew which plane the helo was headed for, the helo had a choice of three planes in the air to look at. One taking off, the accident plane, and one behind the accident plane lined up for runway 1. ATC should have called out the position of the endangered plane instead of the description of it. How can someone "identify" a CRJ at night?

[@vikingraider712]

I heard there was only one controller and they were disabled but even so your flying the helicopter so if your off course and see the lights blinking on a plane and told to turn left don’t turn right or we think your either disabled or dei also

[@billbright1755]

We are all just passing through. Kindness shown as we walk is what our savior notes. “ for what you have done to the least of men you have done unto me “

[@brega6286]

Kindness does not prevent tragedies.

[@40kedge]

She also only had 500 hours and the instructor was at around 1,000. Those who say they shouldn't have been in that scenario . Possibly, but training is often done in real life scenario . More than anything, it was pilot error and possible the Commander who sent them off. They should have had another crew member to look out other side of helo. The 1 crew member can't watch both sides.

[@ladikmk]

Agreed. They were flying in a high-traffic area with inadequate crew on board.

[@vikingraider712]

Yeah but they turned the wrong way and were allowed to fly that area 2 years ahead of more qualified pilots dei no excuses she was in dei program after this she was to train other dei that’s why trump said dei and banned dei get it yet?

[@Ray-g2q3h]

If it showed it was above 200ft than hit a plane at 300ft the math doesn't add up.

[@dboyette42]

LOL the only conflict is a military helicopter flew into a jet. Did the copter have to be there NO Some real genius involved in this one

[@nobodyinparticular5224]

The Heli was tracking Route 1 and was at 200 ft AGL as it traveled along Route 1 until seconds before the collision as it rose up into the CRJ 700. Flight Aware Track Log Data indicates 325 ft AGL for the CRJ 700 at the collision. The Heli was above the Maximum allowed altitude at the location of the collision. The published altitude is 200 ft Maximum AGL the entire length of Route 1 until South of the Washington Bridge where it's raised to 300 ft Maximum AGL.

[@IMTHISBABY]

we have a short time here...cherish every day

[@queenvero157]

Exactly on Salvation with Jesus Christ is what matters❤

[@RugerMonkey-i8z]

OK keep wasting your time then.

[@jorgryser4000]

In a allowed height of only 200 feet you can see what is is the approximatv high. Not very much above ground.

[@nobodyinparticular5224]

Route 1 is an approved Route and is safe if published maximum altitudes are maintained. The Heli was tracking Route 1 and was at 200 ft AGL as it traveled along Route 1 until seconds before the collision as it rose up into the CRJ 700. Flight Aware Track Log Data indicates 325 ft AGL for the CRJ 700 at the collision. The Heli was above the Maximum allowed altitude at the location of the collision. The published altitude is 200 ft Maximum AGL the entire length of Route 1 until South of the Washington Bridge where it's raised to 300 ft Maximum AGL.m PAT 25 not maintaining the maximum AGL of 200 ft is the largest contributing factor of the collision.

[@YECBIB]

Dei doesn't work

DEI wasn't at fault here. Racism is anti-christian. Wake up.

[@MarcPagan]

From a tri-racial pilot, no fan of racism/DEI ..no indication that DEI was a factor, but of course, it's possible.

[@YECBIB]

@MarcPagan What does tri-racial mean?

[@paulomarinho1963]

@@YECBIB What this accident have to do with DEI? Can you elaborate, please?

[@asbestosfiber]

Do you say that when a white man does something wrong? do you assume he got his job because he is white and a man? No you don't because you assume all women and minorities are unqualified

[@MrMaharlika1016]

Poor training by military helo pilots! Safety is paramount!

[@roballen8431]

Yeah sure.accidents happen.ask captain smith of the titanic

[@Tello-21]

Its all planned, no way they didn't see it.

[@massdistractions]

It's obvious that you haven't done that job. From someone that's spent many years in Army Aviation I have to ask this... What makes you an expert? And... Why aren't you serving if you know so much? I expect the excuses to pour out because all I have seen out here is pure disrespect.

[@laopang91362]

Truth has to come out, stop wasting of time.

[@inktray4913]

Conflicting altitude reports result in a mid-air collision.

[@tedecker3792]

People are focused on altitude, let’s give some coverage to timing. It was known the flight paths crossed each other. In order to collide the aircraft had to be at the same altitude at the same time. Why didn’t ATV have the helicopter hold up just a little. The airliner couldn’t slow, but the helicopter could.

[@eeayquetting5963]

Everyone is focused on the altitude because the helicopter was not supposed to be that high. The time was where it was supposed to be. The position was where it was supposed to be. It was the altitude that was dramatically off.

[@MarcPagan]

From a pilot - multiple factors - ATC, chopper pilots, and city lights.

[@spacecoastz4026]

Yeah, would have been wise for the ATC to tell the helicopter to both turn left (east) and stop forward progress until the aircraft landed. The idea of these helicopters flying around a busy airport is insane.

[@sladjanadankovic1015]

They were warned to hover. She does not!

[@nobodyinparticular5224]

Route 1 is an approved Route and is safe if published maximum altitudes are maintained. The Heli was tracking Route 1 and was at 200 ft AGL as it traveled along Route 1 until seconds before the collision as it rose up into the CRJ 700. Flight Aware Track Log Data indicates 325 ft AGL for the CRJ 700 at the collision. The Heli was above the Maximum allowed altitude at the location of the collision. The published altitude is 200 ft Maximum AGL the entire length of Route 1 until South of the Washington Bridge where it's raised to 300 ft Maximum AGL.m PAT 25 not maintaining the maximum AGL of 200 ft is the largest contributing factor of the collision.

[@tomjewett5839]

It's my understanding that in one of those Black Hawk helicopters it is the responsibility of the pilot to zero out the altimeter and adjust it for the altitude of where they are taking off and the barometric pressure at that time. If this is overlooked, They will not have a correct altitude in their display.

[@nobodyinparticular5224]

During the whole trip on Route 1 the Heli maintained 200 ft AGL, the maximum altitude allowed until South of the Washington Bridge where its raised to 300 ft AGL maximum.. The Heli rose up in altitude right at the end of the runway. It was supposed to stay at 200 ft at this location.

[@bearvollmer9761]

That egg beater was not at 200 ft crg was at 400 descending

[@Dani-ICU-RN]

Awful. Avoidable.

[@j.l.5935]

Black Hawk helicopters fly 24 hours as experience/training & shall wait for any planes to fly til close hours & it's difficult seeing at night & I wish the planes should add the small lights on all sides as tail, wings & front/back, etc. Very sad for the people 🙏😢💐⛸️

[@speavy]

Did somebody confuse feet for meters?

[@sunguarmagan9535]

Lord, help everyone involved and connected to what happened in Jesus' name, Amen. Yes, so true, going to Heaven is what matters. Love, follow, and obey the Lord because He loved us first. God help everyone involved. ✝️

[@michaelmccasland9852]

we are hearing a lot about this tragedy. To help people understand I would like to see a simulation from the pilots view from both the Jet and the Helicopter. Its hard to understand but both aircraft were going fairly fast relative to each other.

[@useful_mike]

Such advanced military technology and the pilots didn't see anything.

[@spitfirered]

Dear God This Did Not Have To Happen, The Truth Shall Set You Free!

[@chatryna]

I'd like to know why the crew of the Jet did not see teh helicopter until they were in their face. Wasn't anybody watching where they were going?

[@monty_wolfkitty]

Cover up for the lesbian pilot with 0 experience.

[@justonetime112]

BIDENS DEI PILOT

[@ramanderson1]

Are you serious? All this loss of life and this is your response? Check yourself Christian. SMH

[@vikingraider712]

@@ramanderson1ok athiest your dei pilot who was part time pilot flew 2 years too early worked near Biden in whitehouse killed Christian’s and Russian people changed course last second why you defend a killer who flew towards a jet because you are not a good person because you strayed off the path of god?

[@kennethpereyda5707]

the job of a flight controller is to do what, control this one failed

[@nobodyinparticular5224]

You lack understanding of the process and roles and duties of persons in aviation. In other words, you're ____ of ____!

[@vikingraider712]

Pilot was the killer tho they could have changed course also they were too high and flew right instead of left

[@RS-gh2mf]

Why aren't they mentioning the helicopter pilot was a DEI female 🤔

[@t.h.8475]

The crash still needs to be investigated.

[@user1qaz2wsx3edc]

No investigation required for reckless Rebecca..

[@englishmuffinpizzas]

Because that explanation makes zero sense to anyone who know anything about the military, aviation, or DCA. Pilots have been saying these helicopter routes around DCA are unsafe for decades, and they have been multiple near misses. They need to change this route and stop doing training at night in the glide slope of a busy airport. Doing the same BS but with only male pilots doesn't fix anything

[@paulomarinho1963]

"DEI female" Can you prove that Captain Rebecca Lobach was a DEI hiring? And, also, the pilot flying the helicopter was not responsible for this accident, so, why are you only mentioning her and nobody else?

[@t.h.8475]

@@paulomarinho1963 Because they enjoy spreading hate just like their orange god does.

[@GigaVids]

why hide the pilots name for days while releasing the other crews name ?

[@orionhauk2968]

The fly by wire security is pretty robust, however micro processors that control the servos which actuate flight surfaces could be vulnerable. If ATC is showing 200 ft and receive no data than the Blackhawk gained altitude, could mean that the transponder system it's no longer communicating which could indicate some type of microcontroller malfunction or cyber control as well as a rogue controller chip. Communication with a controller could be done using a decentralized, towerless mesh Network which uses Wi-Fi access points and LoRa that relay transmissions down a path of access points as long as they had a map of those points through prior reconnaissance

[@DramaMustRemainOnTheStage]

200 ft on land may be closer to 300 ft over water

[@ralphtaylor787]

It’s very clear that she flew the helicopter into the plane on purpose. There’s no need to try to blame it on the tower.

[@massdistractions]

Facts don't mean anything to you, just admit it.

[@mc-uz3kn]

People are flown to Philadelphia, Pennsylvania from Mexico? In a private jet? To receive medical care? Then they were to be flown back from North Eastern united states (almost Canada) to Mexico? In their private jet? Am I missing something, or is that about it?