Yellow box junctions - beware of the trap

[@Jer0nim0]

Most of the yellow boxes where I live are nothing more than faded fragments of yellow paint. The condition of paint work on British roads is dire.

[@ConquerDriving]

I agree!

[@alexdev5809]

It really bugs me, because, most errors at unfamiliar roundabouts CAN be mitigated, through the use of correct road markings.

[@Jer0nim0]

@@alexdev5809 Exactly. I feel sorry for learner drivers today.

[@x1rap]

It's unfair to drivers when the paint is in such poor condition. Could this be used as mitigation if you receive a fine.

[@konradc12]

In my area, some on the boxes (probably those with cameras), have been repainted. I assume due to successful challenges to FPN's, where the faded lines couldn't be seen in all but perfect conditions.

[@Phoenix-qu8uj]

Yes, this pressure from vehicles behind is going too far. Rude yelling, flashing, horning, gestures. This pressure must stop. It's especially learner drivers and new drivers who are treated this way.

[@everestyeti]

Do what I did, fit a rear view Dash Cam. It's really funny watching people realise they are being filmed and then watching them start behaving themselves.

[@Phoenix-qu8uj]

@@everestyeti that's exactly what I will do. Thanks for the tip

[@GeeCeeWU]

It's just another reflection of society today.

[@Rig0r_M0rtis]

Gotta just learn to ignore it. I myself have trouble with that as I often flip a bird toward the rear windshield and one should not do that.

[@rogueuniversities6866]

@@Rig0r_M0rtis Yes better to try to be calm and just focus on your own driving

[@s.sradon9782]

"you can get fined even though you were following the rules" is the most british thing I've heard this week.

[@PedroConejo1939]

A perfect explanation of how the rules work, and a perfect practical demonstration of how yellow boxes can be poorly implemented and maintained.

[@harpingon]

In an unfamiliar town, the fact that so much information is given via painted tarmac, which is often in poor condition, or has actual cars on it, is the worst thing. Do I need to be in the left lane? Right lane? Middle lane? Who knows. Even if there are arrows on the road, can't see them, or they're worn out. Those first two boxes seemed almost invisible. Great if you know they're there already, not so much if not.

[@davidcurry4433]

Second example is fine, up until the point where the car's coming towards you turning Right fill you once free space.. Police tried to educated me not to enter the box unless your exit is free. That would be the same Police that use mobile phones and jump Red Lights 😳

[@crazykittensmiles]

Thank you for your clear concise information. There's a lot to take in. Often, other KZbinrs add a lot of filler to the information which makes it feel congested in my brain!

[@rufusgreenleaf2466]

We get it sometimes where i live when the train crossing goes down and only space for two cars can be used passed the yellow box when waiting at the line. The rest have to wait further back behind the traffic light but you do get pressure bandits who beep you because the traffic light is green even though you can't go anywhere.

[@ConquerDriving]

Pressure bandits. That's a good description.

[@rufusgreenleaf2466]

@@ConquerDriving A little heavy towards the average horn tapper compared to an actual wreckless impatient driver but yea 😅

[@曉p-p7t]

The technique to observe two or three cars ahead of you definitely are useful. It help you judge earlier of many different situations include if you will need to hit the brake soon. Sometimes the vehicle in front of you can be that guy who like to emergency brake at the last moment

[@polygonalmasonary]

10% of drivers wait for the box to clear....90% of drivers sit on their horns and gesticulate at the other 10%. Don't be 'Pressurised' by the driver(s) behind you, remember they are under 'Your Control' you are not under theirs. Quite frankly, if you follow the rules of the road, your brain is bigger than theirs anyway.

[@Han-rw9ev]

Yeah, and it's no fun sitting next to idiots who keep going mental when the guy in front is following the rules, and slowing them down through no real fault of their own. .

[@mhd5826]

I am very familiar with the box/roundabout at 4:00 and usually wait if the exit is not clear (usually I am coming from the road on the right). 9 times out of 10, the car behind me will actually go around me into the box instead of waiting behind, or, the car to my left (who is supposed to go left round the roundabout) will zip in front of me, or I will get beeped/fist waved etc, including by buses waiting behind who need to go straight but I am blocking their route by sittting tight. It is aptly named St Botolph's Circus and there are a number of clowns who drive round it!

[@ConquerDriving]

😂

[@bencoder]

The turning right then exit gets blocked trap is what I wanted to know - glad to know that I didn't really do anything wrong when that happened to me. Thanks

[@ItsMeYeah888]

Worst thing about these boxes are when there's more than one lane going in one direction, you see that your lane is clear so you move forward cautiously, then somebody from the other lane drives into the space you were going to, leaving you stuck in the box.

[@ConquerDriving]

That can happen too. Not your fault though.

[@konradc12]

Happened to me once at a notorious box junction in Hammersmith. I wasn't sent a FPN, so assume someone monitoring the system understood the situation. Now I use a dashcam and backup footage on large backup drives, just in case.

[@staygulf83]

That is not an offence. I appealed this successfully. Traffic Regulations and General Directions 2016 s11(1) says it is an offence to cause your vehicle to enter a box junction so it has to stop in the box junction by the presence of stationary traffic. If the moment your wheels cross the boundary of the box your exit is clear but someone cuts in front of you then you have not “caused your vehicle to enter the box… so it has to stop”.

[@acelectricalsecurity]

You are allowed to do as you please in a yellow box if you drive a German car, the German car rule supersedes the highway code.

[@techmantra4521]

Continued learning in any field is important. I didn't know about turning right where there is a yellow grid box.

[@lucymariephillips432]

After a stressful year of driving lessons while heavily pregnant to having my daughter 11 weeks early your videos helped me to pass my driving test yesterday. Thank you very much x

[@ConquerDriving]

That's great to hear, congratulations on passing and your baby.

[@ConquerDriving]

Test, I meant passing your test 😂

[@lucymariephillips432]

@@ConquerDriving lol i got the gist. But thank you. Your videos were very helpful x

[@royston6451]

Congratulations on Passing your Test and with the Birth of your Little One !👍🚗🍼

[@stephenmason5682]

Now you can gently forget what you were taught and join the rest of the wacky racers!

[@jayzo]

I love seeing footage of level crossings where idiots queue in the box. You'd think that if the box wasn't enough to indicate being there was a dumb idea, at least the train tracks crossing the road would be a sufficient indication. But no, the barriers go down and they're trapped on the crossing with a train barrelling down on them in _sheer shock_ at how this could've ever happened.

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

That's where you're wrong, those boxes are for VIPs to park while they wait to get hit.

[@unitrader403]

​@@SmallSpoonBrigade They're for VIPs because its the best place to wait for the events following to unfold.

[@AKAMustang]

Very nice to see the mention of "must" vs "should" rules.

[@redblade8160]

Mustang. Just another stupid way with the English language to add confusion in order to put you in a catch 22 position...

[@AKAMustang]

@@redblade8160 It's not so much to do with English language in this instance, but rather legal requirement vs recommendation. Some people don't realise that against The Highway Code is not the same as against the law. For example it's common place for people to think that undertaking (overtaking on the nearside) is illegal, it isn't, it's just an advisory warning that if deemed to be unsafe could result in a charge of dangerous driving or similar, but the same goes for any unsafe driving. Motorcycles that filter (lane split) is another one that can get people riled up. On the converse side people that can't merge in turn (zipper merge) and instead block traffic from making full use of the road as it was designed think they're in the right, when clearly they're idiots. Hopefully the majority agree that middle lane hoggers shouldn't be on the roads either.

[@redblade8160]

@@AKAMustang The English language can take on different meanings from everyday "words", especially in the law courts where the judge has his own dictionary for this and legal crooks (along with their solicitors) also use it to get to get away with murder ultimately.

[@dalriada842]

Any road designer putting a yellow box, where you can't see if your exit is clear, deserves to be birched in my opinion!

[@jamey55lee]

Such an excellent video, thank you. I am very wary of box junctions ever since I was caught in one a few years ago, despite having been driving for many years. In some parts of London and presumably other towns and cities, I'm convinced that fines are issued more in order to collect revenue than to keep traffic flowing.

[@ConquerDriving]

I do disagree with the fines as stopping in a box junction isn't always avoidable.

[@reverendbluejeans1748]

Does the cop admit this when they pull you over.

[@khanhnqit]

Totally agree, these boxes are typically called "moneybox junctions" nowadays.

[@unconventionalideas5683]

@@reverendbluejeans1748 It’s often not a cop, but a computerized camera. It doesn’t know the difference.

[@reverendbluejeans1748]

@@unconventionalideas5683 Since going to London, I received 7 tickets on my rental car. For going down roads the wrong time, and blocked roads. And various other moving vehicle offenders. Do the have the same racket going on in all of UK.

[@dt1607]

I've been driving for around 40 years and always found yellow box junctions slightly confusing, thankyou for this. I will now check out the rest of your vids I could do with a bit refresher course 👍

[@1gerard47]

Are you serious?

[@raidermanuk]

@@1gerard47 40 years of waiting at the lights to turn right and getting beeped by the car behind for not moving forward into the box? Ignorance is bliss!

[@TremereTT]

I just realized that a motorhome holliday through Brittain might be more difficult of an undertaking than just adjusting to lefthand driving, slow speeds and the imperial system. Never have I ever heard of yellow boxes. Can they be avoided by staying outside of big cities?

[@AndrewKNI]

Great video and explanation. From an example in the video it appears that some box junctions are really too large for the situation and can impede traffic, not help it flow. The large roundabout was a good example. It's a pity these things are not reviewed but then road repairs can also be ignored.

[@Aarontlondon]

Thanks for this video. Even though I passed my test over 4 years ago, I’m still so confused about these yellow box rules, and I think a lot of other drivers are too 😂

[@1gerard47]

Redo your test.

[@Aarontlondon]

@@1gerard47 No.

[@GeeCeeWU]

Just revise the Highway Code again or Google it, as things are often updated.

[@user-pd9xj1bt4e]

@@1gerard47 using that logic pretty much every driver in the UK has to redo their test

[@blackkid128]

@@user-pd9xj1bt4eit is definitely advisable when ignorant people like them are driving

[@ojie285]

Wow! This is the best explanation of Yellow Box Junctions. I've been driving for years and regularly using box Junctions and yet I still learned something new. Many thanks. Here in Dagenham, so many drivers are too afraid to use the yellow box junctions. They just stay behind!

[@bradleydixon2949]

Passed my test second time over the weekend, even after moving off in 2nd gear which I thought I would’ve failed for🤣. Just want to say if it wasn’t for your videos I still believe I’d be learning now. Best channel to come to for learning to drive is this one 100%

[@ConquerDriving]

That's great to hear, congratulations on passing! Moving away in second gear is not usually ideal but it's not usually unsafe either so you should be OK.

[@clivewilliams3661]

@@ConquerDriving There are various vehicles that have a crawler first gear that would be unwise to use to move away with. Generally these vehicles are of a more utility type. My old Range Rover Classic with a Toyota diesel conversion was always driven away in second gear as this afforded a smoother start off and a quicker pick-up to the general traffic speed.

[@stacynewcomb7102]

If you have recently passsed your test " You are still learning" !! trust me.

[@bradleydixon2949]

@@stacynewcomb7102 definitely, just taking it one step at a time building up my confidence driving by myself

[@clivewilliams3661]

@@stacynewcomb7102 You don't have to have recently passed your test to carry on learning, this should happen throughout your driving period. Too many people think they know it all because they have driven for just a few months or years. This is why it would be a good idea to periodically test drivers to ensure they have learned. Its something that happens to various professions to ensure competence and that they are abreast of the latest regulations and practices.

[@perkinwarbeck3029]

I still watch these videos even though I have a licence, and I encourage others too as well. I still pick up tips from you!

[@dennistonrockstone]

Same

[@redspecial4102]

There's a huge one on the south circular crossing dual lanes in both directions with a large central reservation. It was heavy traffic and I waited for a space at the end of the traffic on the other side. When my exit became clear I moved into the box junction and when I was halfway across, another driver exited a parking space without indicating their intentions, using my exit space & leaving me blocking the junction, then the lights changed and half of London was beeping at me like it was my fault. I did everything correctly as is the highway code. The problem is, anpr can send an automatic ticket for blocking the junction because the exit was not clear... which it was when I entered.

[@ConquerDriving]

This is why I disagree with the fines.

[@joshuanelson7037]

Passed first time today with 5 minors. Your videos were so useful when I was prepping for my test. Thanks!

[@ConquerDriving]

That's great to hear, congratulations on passing!

[@yunusmiah552]

Hi Joshua, congratulations for passing. Please could you kindly confirm what videos you watched in particular to help you pass?

[@rtalbot87]

There is absolutely NO point in having yellow boxes IF they cannot been seen from a reasonable distance. What is a reasonable distance ? A distance from when they can first be seen to when you can stop without endangering other road users. So, maybe many of the yellow boxes around the country need to be repainted; or they will provide a very strong legal defence. It is invisible until too late for safe braking. COUNCILS, please note.

[@pqrstzxerty1296]

Audi, BMW and Merc driver say they are exempt, and can enter then park up on the yellow box, do a bit of shopping and come back later. As laws seemingly does not apply to them when driving this makes of cars

[@just_passing_through]

In Australia we don’t bother with box junctions. You are NOT allowed to queue across ANY junction at all. Don’t enter ANY junction unless you can clear it at the other end. Just open your eyes and look ahead.

[@Smartlion1]

1:03 we have a yellow box here its quite dirty i don't thing "quite dirty" is the correct term. "quite hazardous" is a better term. the yellow box junction in front of a fire station is for safety. If an emergency vehicle wants to exit the fire station, it can do it quickly and with ease, possibly saving lives. Ambiguity of that yellow box junction can cause potential irritation at best and at worst, a life lost in a situation where every second counts

[@nahakuu]

the biggest issue are Trucks, they always block roundebouts because of their size and they trying to fit in no matter what, I have one roundeboud like that, without yellow mesh but almost each morning my exit is blocked by trucks comming from highway to city

[@retroonhisbikes]

One of the few things no one know how to use. Same as the bike box (aka asl). Also cycle lanes.

[@louisebikeri]

I just moved into a coastal town with crazy box junctions, I got hell confused throughout practicing until I decided to check in with your channel (always gold). Massive help as always, I'm having my test in a few days, will update how it goes 🤞🏾🤞🏾🤞🏾

[@MetaMercs]

Thanks for all your videos! Just passed this morning first time round with 0 minor faults, your videos have really helped me improve as a driver!

[@ConquerDriving]

What an achievement, congratulations on passing!

[@1gerard47]

And was there any major faults ?🤣

[@MetaMercs]

@@1gerard47 No mate😂

[@guysmith3146]

Driving a 16.5 mt artic, yellow boxes are a nightmare. Many a time I have had my exit space taken up by cars pulling in from side roads

[@ConquerDriving]

I can imagine some are next to impossible in a lorry.

[@PreNeanderthal]

Problem with the yellow box on the bridge is: If you are a total stranger to the area, you can't see how far the box extends. At the time of the video there were no vehicles in front. But suppose there had been. A stranger will not be able to see (or know) whether there are one, two or even three car lengths clear, because of the hump of the bridge. Seems to be a cleverly designed box and, when local authorities take over enforcement (as they already do in London) the local authority can look forward to a nice little earner.

[@jasonarrantimmis5967]

Glad you covered the 'trap' scenario of the exit road becoming blocked whilst waiting mate ... never seen that covered in any other videos, but had always wondered what the score would be in such circumstances. A grey area it seems.

[@ConquerDriving]

It's a problem with no solution, you could be fined even though you have done nothing wrong. That's why I call it a trap.

[@jdb47games]

An offence is only committed if you enter the box without your exit being clear. Therefore if your exit is blocked after you enter the box, no offence is committed.

[@dennistonrockstone]

This why I always try to leave as much space as possible if I've just passed a yellow box but the traffic ain't flowing.... Fortunately I've never been caught in this trap in my 10+ yrs of driving mostly in London

[@WaltANelsonPHD]

Thank you! We will visit the UK someday. We will not drive in the UK.

[@EtonieE25]

In London if you DON’T ENTER the yellow box you’re met with extreme profanities from the drivers behind you and in some cases a punch up!!!! 😳

[@ConquerDriving]

But that would be them in the wrong and facing prosecution instead of you facing a fine on their behalf.

[@adrianokane7858]

I a, sorry but I have to disagree with some of the points you made; yes you have to keep YNJ clear and you may only enter when your exit road is clear but the rule does not state that you can stop in the marked area; in an instance when you were "cut up" by another driver, you should not be "fined". In this instance ALWAYS ask for video footage as this will show the circumstances that were prevalent at that time. As a driver you have to remember that LAWS are absolute. In the Highway Code these are underlined red. The terms "must not" and "should not" are not to be confused. One is by LAW and the other is guidance. Unfortunately too many people exercise guidance in the ignorance of the law when most of the time common sense and courtesy should be applied

[@ConquerDriving]

I'm not sure what part of my video you disagree with.

[@mugashagoden.]

Thanks bro for ur concise presentation! Love from Uganda 🇺🇬 east Africa

[@BLK2000]

Great advice, very helpful on those tricky yellow boxes 📦 👍

[@RobeonMew]

haha you need boxes for that. That's the default rule for ALL intersections here. (Ontario)

[@FakeMichau]

Same in Poland and other countries from what i've heard. I don't understand the need for "yellow boxes". Just don't enter the junction if you can't exit it.

[@RobeonMew]

@@FakeMichau^this

[@ConquerDriving]

It's the default rule here too. The box is to enforce the rule at some junctions, sometimes with a fine.

[@pstanyer1]

We have a yellow box in Carlisle which is in a left turn and about 40 metres long. It's impossible to see left because of q high wall. It's going 5o be the biggest money maker ever for the council when they stick cameras on it. Everyone end trapped in the box as the next lights go red and your stuck.

[@ConquerDriving]

I hope they don't put cameras on an impossible yellow box, if they do then the local people need to lobby against it. That will be an embarrassing mistake for the council.

[@MrZoomZone]

I had an impatient driving instructor toot me from behind for not crossing green lights when the exit was NOT clear and traffic NOT moving. How dumb is that. Also got tooted for not not entering a yellow box at a busy level crossing in stoppy traffic, again impatience as in both cases the delay was only a few seconds. I was not aware of the yellow box trap - when your exit gets taken from elsewhere - and how to deal it. Thank you for that. The thing that scares me most is sudden fog on motorways - you just have to hope a low speed limit is already signalled before you reach it.

[@ConquerDriving]

If it's foggy I advise driving slowly regardless of the limit. As you mention, fog can be patchy and visibility can suddenly reduce.

[@sortiapricefield2303]

i drive in the us so this video was of zero help but i drive for work so i find the rules for other countries interesting.

[@Hickerz]

great video, really helpful!

[@pluffer96]

That's ok waiting for the lane in front to be clear, but what happens is you get cars and motorbikes from other lanes jumping into your space, thus leaving you to have to stop in the yellow box. And cameras don't see that?

[@ConquerDriving]

That's why I don't agree with these fines.

[@paulwatson2702]

Thanks for sharing! As a Colcestrian, myself, I can appreciate where you're coming from!

[@keithsummers6139]

when your exit is clear and you start moving through the box junction only to have the arsehole in one of the lanes ahead change their mind and move across blocking you from getting out of the box junction. what would have been a clear road now has an idiot positioned diagonally across two lanes. result is a fine. many london councils have put box junctions in knowing they will earn money out of it because its nearly impossible to not get stuck.

[@ConquerDriving]

It is my opinion that fines should not be issued on yellow box junctions because you can get trapped on the box when it's not your fault.

[@tedsmith6137]

Nice job by the authorities for painting yellow boxes with almost invisible paint! I can't even see the first one and only just bits of the second.

[@krashd]

It's just wear and tear, I don't believe there is any punishment for local administrations to re-do road markings so they tend to only get re-done once they are almost invisible.

[@Hephaestus_God]

We have the same thing in the US except it's just invisible. lol

[@antonypalmer5804]

Good video. I recently got stuck in a box junction. it was a dual lane road and I was in the right-hand lane, the car in front of me had cleared the junction so I started to enter it only to have a car from the left hand side change lanes and block me leaving me in the box junction with nowhere to go.

[@ConquerDriving]

That does happen sometimes.

[@jdb47games]

Then you committed no offence, as your exit was clear at the time you entered the box.

[@konradc12]

Happened to me once at a notorious box junction in Hammersmith. I wasn't sent a FPN, so assume someone monitoring the system understood the situation. Now I use a dashcam and backup footage on large backup drives, just in case.

[@antonypalmer5804]

@@konradc12 Think that it might be a good idea for me to get a dashcam

[@roadmonitoroz]

We have those yellow box things too (usually on rail crossings). I still see people stopping on them / across the tracks in congested traffic. One day I saw it and the boom gates for the train came down. Thankfully the person right across the tracks managed to get away but only just. One thing I have seen a few times is motorists who stop just past the box (even though there is nothing ahead of them) to get you stuck on the rail crossing. The same thing happens on right turns across traffic. Some game player will make a right then jam on the brakes as soon as they've cleared the intersection leaving you in the middle with a car bearing down towards you. Neither work on me as I've seen both happen numerous times so I just wait back there until the rail / side road is clear (even if being honked at).

[@fetchstixRHD]

On that note, I find it a tiny bit strange how not all level crossings here have the yellow box junctions. Some that do is only an inconvenience to trains (as they’re checked to be clear before a train passes over them), whereas some which don’t are a genuine danger to stop in (as they aren’t checked to be clear). Not that most people would be able to know the difference, but then you shouldn’t be stopping on train tracks anyway…

[@bertiesworld]

I've never quite understood why there are no high level signs depicting the area covered by the yellow box. I recently drove through Nottingham and they had these brightly coloured painted wooden signs at low level, going on about it being illegal to stop in the yellow box. I get to the box itself and well, you could just about make parts of it out. Talk about putting the cart before the horse. More paint on the road would have worked wonders. Actually, given the lack of paint, I seriously doubt if the box was actually enforceable.

[@fetchstixRHD]

Poor marking is one of my pet peeves, especially when they’re so faded it’s hard to tell whether they’ve been removed or not. Add to that not actually removing old paint markings, and inconsistent bus lane signage (thanks TFL and London boroughs, lovely work there!)

[@JamesJones77980]

This so nearly caught me out on my test. I was doing my test in a completely new area far away from where I live due to the high volume of tests being booked, about halfway through my test I approached a box junction at a really busy crossroad and I literally had no idea if I was allowed to wait in it or not as there was a big queue but the light was green. My instincts told me for some reason that I shouldn’t wait in it and luckily they were correct but it was literally 50/50

[@nct948]

I always find these box junctions problematic even after 40 years driving!

[@ConquerDriving]

I'm glad you made the right choice on your test.

[@JamesJones77980]

@@nct948 haven’t come across another one since passing luckily

[@Amphy002]

@@nct948 Yes.. I think local councils use them for income generation. They put them in junctions where drivers can get stuck for reasons beyond their control, and install a permanent camera.

[@nct948]

@@Amphy002 I agree with you. It happened to me at a junction in London where the box was so long that you had to take your chances and follow the traffic. I got caught as the traffic stopped when I was 3/4 through. The second time I went through this crossing and found myself in the same situation, I opted to turn into the street on the left so avoiding the hefty fine!, Very nasty of councils.

[@ronniebrown6225]

Far too many do not have a clue about box junctions and junctions in general. How often do you see someone stopped beyond the stop line but not in the actual junction/roundabout itself, the thing is they do not know that in that scenario when the traffic clears they can continue without waiting for the light to change to green because they are already passed the stop line. The TV advert for box junctions used to say " box junctions make us all do what the good drivers have been doing for years"

[@ojie285]

Occurs so often in Dagenham, almost at every green light where so many drivers just stay behind the box junction.

[@mgabrielle2343]

I always carry a small deck chair and small picnic table and a flask of hot tea in my car and some biscuits, just in case if you stumble across some very busy yellow box junctions, where it is virtually impossible to see your exit ever become clear as there are 3 other lanes ahead of you all trying to aim for the same single lane exit , you are from a 4th lane, and there are 3 other lanes all trying to get to this exit.......what do you do? pay the fine or would you prefer to put on your handbrake, switch off your engine and open your deck chair and have a little mini picnic and watch the other 3 lanes fight for that single exit and hear the music of horns from behind you. I prefer this than to pay stupid unjust fines. One such multi point entry roundabout exists on a A406 Wickes round about Barking. If it was watched over by CCTV then I am sure there would be riots as it is one of the most impossible yellow box to clear, without breaking the rules. So the irony is why paint a yellow box junction when it is almost impossible to follow rules?

[@ConquerDriving]

😂

[@ConquerDriving]

You forgot the biscuits.

[@deanobosho]

Off topic. Just like to say thank you for the videos it helped me so much. I started my lessons on the 4th March and did a total of 39 hours of lessons, I passed today with 4 faults. Thanks again.

[@ConquerDriving]

That's great to hear, congratulations on passing!

[@Daofski]

My driving test is booked in for July, I’m going to buy a car before July, and my question is, does someone needs to take me to the test centre or can I drive myself with provisional driving licence, with someone next to me? Thank you 🙏

[@ConquerDriving]

You can drive to test if you have someone suitable supervising you. This video may help: kzbin.info/www/bejne/pZyTYZ-Vfc2Cfck

[@Daofski]

@@ConquerDriving Thank you, appreciate!

[@johncouriermeh]

Ok smart arse, what happens, as did to me, when driving an artic with an all up weight of 40 tons and length of 47 feet at a box junction in Peckham and I was at the traffic lights, which were green to me and I was in the correct lane to go straight on. My problem was that traffic turning from my right into the road ahead for me and also turning left into the road for me completely filled the road ahead because of traffic lights at red further down. My traffic lights then turned red and the lights further down turned green. The traffic ahead now begins to move but refills with traffic from the left of me and the right, filling the road ahead as the traffic lights further ahead turn red and mine turn green. You hopefully see an ongoing problem here. After the Beethoven 9th sympathy being played by about ten buses and god knows how many cars I finally got the opportunity to move ahead but the rear 3 ft of my trailer was into the box causing me to be finned as it was caught on camera. So I as a lorry driver would love to know how that situation is resolved, as I can't see any way out of it and seemed to me at the time a punitive fine for tying to keep the traffic flowing. Big brother doesn't give a dam.

[@ConquerDriving]

This is why I don't agree with yellow box junction fines. The box junction should be there to encourage traffic flow, not to fine people who get trapped their or who have no opportunity.

[@johncouriermeh]

@@ConquerDriving Quite agree, the problem is the money making local council does not.

[@sylviaelse5086]

As you said, the rule is that you must not ENTER the yellow box unless the exit is clear. When turning right, if one has stopped in the box when the exit is clear and then the exit ceases to be clear, there is no offence. In the event that a fine is issued, it should be sufficient to say (in court if necessary), that the exit was clear when one entered. Since the burden of proof lies on the prosecution, absent other evidence that exit was not clear when one entered, that should be the end of it.

[@ConquerDriving]

I would hope so too. A lot of hassle though for a car journey. You shouldn't have to defend yourself to the council when you have done nothing wrong.

[@DeeSock]

@@ConquerDriving 5:03 The last car that turned left, when can see a driver waiting in the yellow box junction to turn right, and can also see there is room for just one car on the exit road for both drivers, should technically be the one to be fined as they break rule 144 "​You MUST NOT ... drive without reasonable consideration for other road users." Anyway I am guessing I won't enter box to turn right if in doubt, like in Australia, especially after the test when I don't need to demonstrate I know it is legal to enter the trap

[@bztube888]

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[@Spasticus1]

What I was after was how to deal with a yellow box in front of me that never becomes clear because everyone else is breaking the rules and stopping on it. There is one such bad one near me on a traffic-controlled roundabout. This happens every morning at rush hour. The only way to get out would be to push my way in between the cars already stopped on it on the roundabout after the lights change. It's a tight squeeze and often blocks traffic by straddling lanes, but the only alternative would be to wait there for several hours and probably end up in a fight with the drivers behind me. I know what the rules say, which he explains clearly, but they only work if everybody sticks to them, which in practice they do not do, so I hope someobdy can help me out on how to deal with this situation legally? (Disclaimer: I'm not saying I've done it. I'm just putting the question hypothetically, just in case there are any jobsworths reading this eager to fine me!)

[@onadipeoluwatoyin7826]

Thank you for making such awesome videos. I've watched many ...a lot of them more than once. I had my test a few days ago ...and passed on first attempt with 5 minors. You videos were invaluable to my success. Thank you. 👍🙏

[@ConquerDriving]

That's really great to hear, thank you and congratulations on passing!

[@billroberts5661]

Something to add here is to treat the box junction the same way as parking on a yellow line. It’s not always about you blocking a junction that drivers are unaware off. Even if your rear tyre is a few inches over the line and the junction is devoid of any traffic in any direction you will still get a fine through the post for effectively parking on a yellow line.

[@misterG2006]

3:24 Waiting inside the box is okay provided the oncoming traffic which is turning left cannot then block your way out of the box if the roads are busy and congested. There's a junction near me like that and I've been caught out once or twice so I now always wait outside the box, much to the annoyance of some drivers behind me. Good video, thanks :) EDIT: I should have watched it all before commenting, you cover what I've said at 5:04. Thanks again.

[@pz6048]

Hi What about the situation where I'm approaching T-junction on the road that ends, and i want to turn right 1. Yellow box junction 2. Green circle light to me 3. But the traffick on my right stopped just past the yellow box and vehicles on the left are stopped on red light So can I go inside the box and make myself parallel to the curb, which means I don't block vehicles coming from right that proceeding straight or I must wait untill I get gap for one vehicle(thats me)on subsequent green light, ?what if it takes 10min 20min 30min for one car to pass due to heavy traffic? Thanks

[@alkinurdotran1053]

you are driving on a wrong side btw

[@벤윝스틴더]

The trap point you make at 5:00 is interesting. My better half got PCN for a similar scenario, travelling straight ahead however. However we appealed, which finally went to tribunal, where the appeal was upheld. Whilst highway code 174 says you must not enter the YBJ unless your exit is clear, the underlying legislation on which it is based on is far more specific on what needs to have occurred in order for there to be an offence. If you stop in a YBJ, AND if at the point of entry there were no stationary vehicles preventing your exit, an offence has not been committed. In order for there to be an offence, stationary vehicles blocking your exit must have been present at the point entry was made. It's easy to get caught out when you are forced to stop even though traffic had been flowing. Whilst we should all exercise care in trying to avoid grid lock scenarios, the law rightly recognises that there are circumstances where the trap is unavoidable and would therefore be unfair to penalise drivers. Councils know that drivers are unlikely to go through such lengths of checking legislation if they point to the Highway Code and simply issue fines. J, and reject appeals. Just remember, as great a guide the Highway Code is, and should be followed, it is not the law and cannot solely be relied upon for the issue of PCN.

[@Hugh_de_Mortimer]

Hi Richard, you seem to be missing the last condition of Rule 174: "At signalled roundabouts you MUST NOT enter the box unless you can cross over it completely without stopping." So, the clause about weighting to turn right if oncoming traffic is obstructing your exit is not relevant, in my understanding, if the junction is signaled?

[@johnkeedwell5549]

I had a situation where there was a box before traffic lights at a T- junction, with only space for 2 cars to stop at the lights. I was going left after the lights, as the road I was entering is a T junction, if that makes sense. I waited outside the box whilst the lights changed and nothing moved. Then the lights changed the road ahead started to move, then the space ahead cleared, às I waited for it, and I then moved ahead. Then a white Prius car appeared at speed from the left side road just as I had entered the box, it didnt stop and drove out, aggressively pushing ahead of me as I was moving. It was my priority as I was on the main road... I then saw the lights change after about a nanosecond..., all cars stopped and I was stranded with the Prius blocking the exit... I made as much space as possible for other cars, and I didn't block the road. Others came out of the side road to turn right ahead at the lights. They also had to stop at the lights, so nobody was delayed. I had done everything correctly, yet I got a pcn for £65. I am fighting in appeal. I have been driving all over the world in 70 countries, never even got a speeding ticket or any points, yet there was literally nothing I could do to mitigate this. A freedom of information request showed this ONE JUNCTION in Brent council, London, generated £120,000 in fines from January to October 22. No more data available. Thats £12,000 each month! Or about one car every hour, 7 days a week! With £2500 running costs amonth ( as per FOI request) thats literally a scam.

[@Random18937]

Can you go into the middle of the junction to turn right in a junction that’s not a boxed junction?

[@ConquerDriving]

Yes, all junctions are essentially box junctions, it's just that you can be fined for waiting in the box. It's to enforce a rule that already exists.

[@Random18937]

@@ConquerDriving Thanks

[@chrisf1600]

@0:30, Makes sense, but there's a junction near me which doesn't have a traffic light on the far side. If you're turning right, you can drive to the middle of the junction and wait for oncoming traffic, but once you're in the junction there's no way to see if you still have the green light. Yes, you can wait for oncoming traffic to stop when the light changes, but by the time you're sure it's safe to go the cross-traffic has started to move. Even as someone with 30 years experience, that one makes me nervous. I assume it's some sort of cost-cutting measure.

[@SmallSpoonBrigade]

We don't have many of these in the US, at least not around here and they're usually painted some other color. Most of the ones that I've seen are next to firestations to ensure that the trucks can get out if there's the need to when traffic is blocked due to a red light.

[@royzview6254]

It's nutters overtaking onthe left on roundabouts that drive me mad. That and no inicators. The Highway Code advises drivers not to undertake - although it is not an offence in itself it states: “DO NOT OVERTAKE ON THE LEFT or move to a lane on your left to overtake.”

[@pleasantville4529]

Correct me if I am wrong. If when entering the box, you have no clear view of where the box ends, is it not impossible to obey the law? I believe that you can overturn a prosecution if you can not see clearly where the box finishes. I do believe that the rule is sometimes manipulated to prove an offence when no offence has been committed. I once entered a quite lengthy box junction because my exit was clear. While continuing through the junction a bus which had been at a bus stop on my left exited the bus stop and prevented me from clearing the previously vacant box. What are your thoughts?

[@ConquerDriving]

This is further proof as to why it is a box trap. Not a lot you can do about it. The real problem is that we accept some impossible rules because there are usually more important things we need to concentrate on in our lives.

[@jdb47games]

If your exit was clear at the time you entered the box, you committed no offence.

[@lm971120]

Hi Richard, I have a question. Like you pointed out, many of such junctions are poorly designed and maintained. One issue I have encountered is when I am turning right, the exit is clear and I turned right on a green, but by the time I made the turn, pedestrian crossing has changed to green for pedestrians (the one on the right of your diagram). Technically I have cleared the green light, but obviously pedestrians always have priority , not least when it’s green man for them. But after I stopped I’m in limbo as 1) it’s a yellow box 2) in many cases I cannot see a light for cars due to they were aimed for cars at the stop line (or it’s just not installed there to avoid confusions). What should I do?

[@peter3337]

What if you're coming up to a T junction without lights and there's a yellow box on the road you want to go on but only on your side of the road (near side lane) and the road you want to go on has bumper to bumper traffic so your exit may never really become clear. Can you go into the box and wait for someone to let you in? What should you do in this scenario?

[@raymondo162]

1:12: if you are going to demonstrate about box junctions - prolly best to use a road where the feature is visible............... FOOL

[@mpeterll]

The best yellow box trap I ever encountered was actually several such junctions only one car-length apart. Under normal conditions, maybe they would have worked fine. The only trouble was that I was towing a trailer at the time.

[@rushshukla4636]

Box junctions, bus lanes, speed traps, parking enforcements all ways the govt can take money from you. It has very little to do with safety. More about revenue. Common sense should prevail but it's against the law now. Enforcements have taken it's place.

[@VerticalBlank]

I've often had a situation where I waited correctly until there was enough space, started driving forward, and some See You Next Tuesday aggressively undertook me and stole my space, leaving me stranded in the yellow box. What am I to do?

[@roxythawer1344]

I did not see anything on the most confusing of yellow boxes. The one at a T junction as you come out from a minor road to turn right. The yellow box was only in the lane with traffic going from right to left. Are you allowed to enter into the box when the traffic from the right has eased and stop to turn right as the exit was clear when you started to enter but traffic from left resumed and you have to wait for the next gap in order to complete the turn. As you are waiting, you are now stopping traffic from the right to continue. But your action has allowed cars behind to turn left and ease congestion. What is the legal situation here please.

[@Free__Speech]

It's not just boxes. It's idiots blocking & stopping vehicles from getting out or in from side roads

[@HDJess]

We don't have many yellow boxes in Romania. In fact, most of them are painted the same way, but in white. Also, most of the drivers are uncivilized AF and they will enter a junction even when they can see clearly it's blocked or about to get blocked, just so they can maybe advance before the next green light comes up. Stupid mentality.

[@contorta960]

Passed 1st time with 3 minors in December, woop! Only to see that a majority of drivers, lots of taxis actually ride straight into yellow boxes. Always find taxis odd because they must know the roads so well. Idgaf, I follow the rules it's just funny to see what a shambles everything is.

[@bayralysis]

As an american who has no intention of visiting the UK any time soon, I can say this video was very informative. 👍

[@mylittleworld2552]

Excellent videos as always.my local test centre examiners use a one way street as a trap/trick for learners. My instructor told he has met so many learners failing in the same street where i failed.

[@ConquerDriving]

That's a shame, I would hope an examiner is understanding of the exit becoming blocked after you wait in the middle.

[@brusselssprouts560]

Reminding the OAP/large pickup builder/delivery/Audi/BMW drivers of this would be cool.

[@matthorner35]

Literally just had this situation in a lesson - I have an excellent instructor and now just reminding myself haha

[@fredschepers5149]

One of the many useless road signs/situations in the UK. Nothing clear about it. You must, must not, could or should or should not and leave with an exception to the rule unless different. Driving should be practiced by anticipation and not by looking 2 meters in front of the hood on the street. Never mind if the road wet or if it snows. The hole passive driving thing is outdated. Traffic is to dynamic for such. It's one of the many frustrations on the road and reason why there are so many traffic jams, and drivers have to sit for another green light before they can go. Super frustrating and a main reason for aggression in traffic. And if there is so much frustration and misunderstanding about things, it just means that the process is not correct. And if a process is incorrect it will lead to fatalities. One way or another. Compared with other, similar countries, the British Highway code is one of the worst to practice. 🤷🏼‍♂️

[@tjlocust]

Tell me why KZbin has recommended this to me *after* I just failed my driving test for waiting behind the cycle box when turning right…

[@PrinceVince007]

Sounds good to me BUT here's the thing. You drive on the wrong side of the road AND to top if off you even put the drivers set on the other side of the car LOL WHY??? Why would you make things hard but then make things even worse? It just makes no sense what so ever.

[@Poodz_]

I've found a lot of people are hesitant to enter a box junction to wait to turn right, and I don't blame them. You're trusting an automated camera system to understand the reason that you've stopped. I have no knowledge how said system works.

[@teshane8784]

I absolutely love this Road User rule explanation Richard, I live in Jamaica🇯🇲 and we drive on the left, same as UK 🇬🇧 of course. I am really optimistic that you will TURN THIS NEW ROAD USER RULE EXPLANATION INTO A NEW SERIES.

[@ConquerDriving]

I'm happy to hear you liked it, thank you.

[@TheVanderfulLife]

The thing no video seems to touch on is the reality during rush hour. Other cars will sit in the yellow box and by the time the cars ahead of them move on, it only creates enough room for cars in the box to just about clear. Meaning if I'm wanting to go I can't since I'd then be sitting in the box. So I wait, then my lights go red and the cars from my right get a green light and proceed forward and sit in the box and this continually repeats....until I join them, and also sit in the yellow box.

[@ConquerDriving]

There are junctions like that, if you follow the laws you essentially have to wait until the rush hour is over. Which is a ridiculous situation.

[@dillanmistry]

My instructor helped me with this one and this helps even more I never knew what they were

[@tilerman]

I drive a large panel van and i find many cars stick to the back of my van like a limpet! I actually do find it quite amusing when i move forward into a single clear space on the opposite side of a yellow box junction, the car behind me moves along as well. And get's stuck on the box. And then they are on their horn because guess who's fault that is!

[@AmitabhGhuwalewala]

I think all of this assumes that you know where the yellow box is. If you're on an unfamiliar road/area, then you could still get trapped on a box if one suddenly popped up while you were driving. It's worse in the night, and the road is not well lit.