Conquerors Blade Blue Meta Week Should It Stay Or Go?

[@ennou1236]

they should make the "blue lock" a "semi permanent event" rather than the "temporary" forced normal mode

[@thejaydethomson2835]

I started playing 3 days ago. For a new player, it has really helped me learn the game

[@justus5612]

But for many new Players that started during the last Season it is really shit to finally get their first purple/Gold Units to Max Level and then beeing forced to Play and Level Blue Units they wouldnt have to spend time orherwise

[@zacknoxim1847]

I think blue meta is good gives ppl to play their low tier units too and enjoy something diffrent

[@mdtahmid1055]

They should unlock all units for pve such as bandit raids and of course surround the bandits cuz that's where you can also lvl up your main purple or yellow units

[@walkerhill1262]

I could completely agree with this!

[@inigomontoya6968]

I love blue meta. Purple in Bandit raids, I've no problem with. Blue meta closes the gap between the hyper advanced purples and gold units long time players have aplenty. Want to make the game more accessible to newer players? Extend blue week to two weeks. I've heard the same belly aching arguments in discord channels and it all boils down to experienced players wanting to play their most experienced meta units. Period.

[@thelichking3059]

In my opinion it must stay because there’s no stupid cavalry rushing and 1 tapping all units

[@samlytair5168]

thats what i wrote about as well :D

[@bennidesylva6689]

In ociana servers, it's cav meta even in blue season. I think the main reason new players are cav wiping whole units.

[@brettnichols6414]

I'm laughing because there's definetly a gold cav pay to win aspect that's tainting the taste of gameplay. I was hit in the back by a single xianjia last season for 11.7k. People who know how to micro Cav are gonna find the opportunity for optimal performance regardless due to the momentum damage modifier mechanic. Blue unit meta I feel is about the most balanced in terms of unit tiers in the game, honestly. There no wuwei or back in the day axe raiders soloing 3 other heroes and their units in the blue tiers. I do feel if the devs want to improve player connectivity to have an improved tutorial with finer mechanics explanations. High ground, momentum, pike tips dmg mechanic, difference between a frontal charge and flank charge dmg etc. All these things add up for new players to get rolled or hold their own. I enjoy that they are trying to have a period of time in a season to draw in new folks.

[@Projolo]

​@@bennidesylva6689 blue cavalry dies to any infantry if you know how to play. They are just noob bashers.

[@rikrishshrestha5421]

@@Projolo I agree that blue cav is weak. But funny thing is Green Ironcaps scout cav hit harder & its hard to target for infantries. Infantry have difficulty hitting fast moving targets hence how many Ironcap cavs do we see each match ? A lot. Even during Gold era unlocks, they r heavily used.

[@Bacman18]

I don´t get why veterans on VETERAN server are forced to play just blue units, like tell me logic behind it, also when u don´t have armour stats, it´s really painfull too play certain classes or if, do the balance changes which we are waiting for for so long. Just to keep the gameplay enjoyable and not painfull.

[@lildjay480]

I agree it’s annoying I have to wait 2-4 weeks to use units I’ve grinded so hard for and when this blue meta started the game was unplayable for me because I didn’t have many blue units due to deleting them for better units I do not like the blue meta at all

[@noslite_]

I do like the blue meta but it does get repetitive much faster than the other two. I would suggest limiting it to a week but then keeping it throughout the season as a different game mode, as there are some units that are viable in blue meta that you never see after it and it'd be nice to have somewhere to use them effectively

[@LasunaCella]

Nah this is what i request but didn't get answers yet 😢

[@Nayrock]

Blue meta is super fun and it's nice having a use for blue units sometimes. I think 3-4 TWs is a perfect amount for them

[@cmackay76]

a week or even two of blue unit meta would be good in my opinion to get new players into game, also like you said to grind those pesky unit kills to get new seasonal units

[@whtastro4739]

Has no impact over new people

[@Roctech44]

Blue meta is extremely boring for me, but anything is better compared to OP cav oneshoting everything in every siege

[@gobipotamus5979]

Blue lock is a breath of fresh air at the beginning of every season. It's awesome to play with a whole new set of units that never get touched in purple and gold metas. I also agree that it should be added as it's own game mode once the game has enough players to sustain the extra game mode. Thus far it seems like there are only enough people to play the main siege game mode and nothing else at the same time if you want to keep queue times down.

[@SonsOfKhernan-VGMCorner]

This season the blue lock was a slow start for me, but once I got into it a bit more, I really started enjoying it. It is true that there is a LOT of spam of certain units (Rattan Marksmen, Ironcap Scouts, and Halberdiers most notably), but as you said, it's really not too much different from, say, the Wuwei and Xuanjia spam of last season in the purple and gold locks. Also I was able to do fairly well even without using these particularly meta units (most of my time was spent on Mace Sergeants, Rattan Pikemen, and Outriders). I say keep the blue lock around, if for no other reason than to make grinding challenges a bit easier. The only part of the blue lock that I really dislike is the sheer number of musket heroes - a class you NEVER see in force in the late season. Aside from that, I say let's stick with the blue lock just how it is.

[@zimmermann-gamesmasturbato481]

The thing with the purple Meta: I personally like it more for some very specific reasons: 1. you can play WAY more units and expecially some harder hitting one 2. Its not a damn cav/ musket spam 3. you can actually play blue units too if you like, bcs they still can fare pretty well here 4. The Unit variety was always the best on purple weeks I can understand why ppl dont like blue. Its a ranged spam, where you always want shilds but noone wants to play them. The only good thing about it is that the battles have a great scale sometimes (bcs of more units) and the fact that light armour actually does something. Its the time I play Spear and DB, bcs otherwise you CANT play them. Other than that its not fun to play. Especially for unexperienced players. You literally cant counter muskets, that onetap all your units. On some maps you cant even get close to the wall without losing your units. The only unt that can sustain longer musket beating is the blue shilds with mastery. And even they have to go after 2 min to heal up. And thats NOT balanced. The reason the blue tier week is in the game, should be so that ppl can actually play the new unit, bcs in higher tiers they probably will never play them. This season, and basically all the seasons before the blue unit was literal shit, so even that is not a justification. And one thing for the end: If muskets would be forbidden duriong blue tier. It would actually be fun and not so frustrating. They are way to strong against the blue units. And everyone that doesnt play musket wont have much fun against them.

[@georgelags2460]

Personally, i dont mind the blue meta week too much, the only thing that irritates me a bit tho, is how musket is absolutely dominant during that time period, their grenade combos being able to wipe out stacks of units if timed well. However since the duration of blue week isnt too long, it generally doesnt bother me too much and i feel like that it doesnt need any major changes.

[@Last_Renegade]

Blue meta is decent it just sucks as a new player when you get thrown into a game where everyone has full veteran units while mine are not even in double digit lvls

[@ratmanwarhammer]

well if it's a matchmaking issue then it doesn't matter what lock your in since it's a game wide issue since your against people way stronger than you. I've had that issue for ages

[@LasunaCella]

Its not only in blue unit lock

[@RayBros]

I just started the game and it happened during blue unit week. If I had to take my greens/blues against purples, mostly vet maxed purples, I literally wouldn't want to play the game nor would enjoy it. It's honestly not bad.

[@BamesJondGaming]

I'm with you coffee, think blue meta is a great change of pace and a big fan of it. It's great for farming units and challenges. Even to this day I have never failed a bandit raid even with blue units and can still get 300+ unit kills with them. It also only lasts a week or 2. I personally would play a blue unit only game mode if they introduced it.

[@BranTheOne]

As new player who started just around when gold units unlocked last season I wanna give my input aswell, since a lot of people are talking about it being good for new players. In my opinion it heavily sucks for new players becuse for a span of 10 days you‘re pumping all XP into units you‘ve used for very little time and will continue using for little time, just to be able to play the game for this week. Took me a long time to get my warband up a level where I can compete with other players, and now I have to do it again just to be able to play for a week? But I‘m sure it‘ll be more fun when blue lock means sth different than more grind. imo bringing it in as a rotating gamemode like all or nothing would be nice

[@gary4853]

For me I like the playing the blue units gives me a chance to get to play with units I would not play and as for the bandit raids you could say the same most people only play cav and run through it

[@winstonpham4809]

I would say add 3 queues because i love tier 3 and sometimes its just not fun seeing all the gold tier completely crush them like nothing

[@dragonfire5225]

When they first realased the blue unit week I really liked it, but after a few seasons it has become more and more annoying. I want to play again this Season, but right now I dont really want to play, like other people, because of the blue week. For me there are 2 main reasons for this and a little third one: 1. The meta hasn't really changed that much for the blue units in the last few seasons (except maybe the Iron Cap Scoutsman). 2. There are way to much ranged units in almost every game and that has also been a thing for multiple seasons now. 3. I just don't like to play most of the blue units compared to some gold or purple units which I just personally really enjoy, like Zweihanders or Stalwarts. I have a couple of ideas how to solve this or at least make blue week less annoying: 1. Make more unit balance changes to change up the meta at least every 2 Seasons. I think that should be a thing for gold and purple as well. 2. Reduce the amount of ranged units a player can take into battle, so we don't have people with two or even three ranged units. Or just make some adjustments to the ranged units, so that there can't be or won't be that many. 3. Make it a separate game mode that is playable for the entire first week (or then maybe even second), although I think the game used to have this back in the day and it was stopped, because no one was playing it. That's why I would lean more to option 4 4. People under a specific level, for example Lv. 200, are put in blue unit only sieges for the first week of a Season. Then you should have enough players for this mode, also Veteran players could also be given the ability to play this mode so they can play blue units too. While more experienced player can still enjoy there gold and purple units.

[@karamelx85]

People need to stfu, we can't unlock the purple or gold unit in the beginning anyways, so why not just accept that blue is where all players start every season. Blue lock only sucks for those without blue units, because they only concentrate on meta purple and gold units. As a old player it's nice to get to play some blue units every season, cause you can't really use them later on in the season.

[@winstonpham4809]

That can be said for any tier above just blue

[@milenmarinkov4015]

Blue lock suck for players that want to use their equipment - same for purple as well. Imo keep the ranger lock for 1 week - people can use it to get away from the game, but do not lock equipment. Some heroes are just unplayable without proper equipment stats

[@ricky7326]

as a new player I hate blue meta so far. I spent 2 weeks grinding out purple units and maxing them...then new season started and all of a sudden I cant play the units I just put all that time and small amount of money into (50$), So I started playing my level 5ish blue units. That was terrible, I finally have my blue units at level 18 but they are not optimized (masteries and doctrines) so I still get slaughtered.

[@MutatingManiacGarr]

I don't even play blue meta if i don't have to. Log in on monday, do weeklies asap and not touch it after. It's just rattan spam, rattan spam, sprinkled with rattan spam. Then its green cav one shotting everything. 7Muskets minimum in every team isn't fun for me either.

[@soulskulptor]

i agree with cmackay, a week or two with at most blue units would be easier on new players while also making it easier to get unit kills for some of the challenges. all units available for Bandit raids would be good as well since these are PvE. having another warband category for Bandit Raids and Expeditions would be helpful in this case as warbands under this category would be exempt from the unit lock so players doing these activities wouldnt need to go through all their units to build the warband they want to use each time they join a Bandit Raid/Expedition

[@mounir6218]

making a vid about the feedback is a pretty good idea. makes ppl understand the feedback a bit more

[@klaasvaak2575]

honestly, disabling all meta units during some weeks would be pretty cool. Just couple of weeks where the devs are screwing around with all the units, disabling most cav except the ones not used, disable all 4/5 Meta golds, purples is abit harder, blue hm. Just force the meta players to do something else, this makes the new players that think cb has 50+ units (lol, poor newbie) less disengaged. Its a pvp we will find new units to play, no need to hold our hand. Blues also unlock so fast i doubt much can be earned with those, you gotta have it from the purple and golds of which gold in one season is pretty hard.

[@kevinnorwood8782]

I love blue meta, and honestly, I feel it needs to be EXTENDED to TWO weeks instead of just one.

[@nitecznik8321]

Most annoying in blue week for me is that it is at the start of the season when you need to catch up with runes so you are forced to play on blue meta. You can't skip it in order to have those runes on TW and scrims. For ex. this season has started at the end of Arial Cup so despite of hating blue meta i was forced to play blue sieges in order to not let my team down and catch the runes If i would automatically have all runes i wouldn't bother about blue meta and i wouldn't ask for deleteing it... i would just skip it then knowing that some of you enjoy it

[@revenantcb]

Blue units we see: Outriders, the other blue cav, Halberdiers, Prefecture Guards, Rattan Marksmen, Coconuts, Dimachaeri, Wolves, Shields, Chinese Crossbow, Squires, Alchemists, Blue Pikes, Landschkanets, Fire Archers and probably missing some. So saying blue meta is always the same units is ridiculous and that man is not really seeing the big picture. Plus all the greens people play.

[@dragonfire5225]

@@revenantcb Well yes we see some of them, but a lot of them aren't really that good, Squiers for example suck. I have maxed them with Mastery but they still suck. Halberdiers l, Prefecture Guard and Wolves have been in the blue meta for four seasons now, so why not buff something like Condottieri or Monks.

[@Projolo]

​@@dragonfire5225 Squires are good it is my mvp unit

[@dragonfire5225]

@@Projolo OK well, but what are the circumstances for that? Do you use them only for flanking or go only on ranged or do you actually get in the front lines of a fight? What is your Lvl or how much playtime do you have? How often are they your Mvp Unit every Match or only sometimes? How many unit and hero kills do they have at average? Or maybe you are just playing them different than me and there for they work better for you. I think just saying "this unit is My Mvp" isn't a really a good indicator for if the Unit is really good or bad. For example I know that Squiers aren't only bad for me but a few other players I know as well.

[@Projolo]

@@dragonfire5225 I play since first season and I use them to flank or defend the flanks mostly to kill cav or range

[@hu031go]

I hate it so much

[@platypuseggs4068]

Gotta increase health on All units imo

[@SovT20]

Okay so the OP of that post is full of crap... I have been recruiting and training players in various houses for 5 years. I know for a fact new players love blue season, cause its the only time they can join TW and join our siege groups and not feel like dead weight. You can not bring anyone under level 200 into a normal siege with experienced players but they can do just fine in blue. Also 1 week of blue is not a big deal, only people who complain about it are vet players who only invested in there gold warbands and don't wanna actually play the game anyway... Only valid thing he said was regarding the bandit raids and that's it. The rest is made up BS. Blue has more verity in its meta than gold, bet yes the meta is very range heavy for blue, and TWs lean more in defenders favor, but that's more a unit balance problem than anything else. People like this OP are just cry babies.

[@GeneralSturgeon]

So making new players use resources getting 4 to 5 blue units for a week is better than them getting set up for the rest of the 12+ weeks of a season with units they could be leveling and getting better with? they are already honor starved till probably after level 800 now with buying 20 to 30k worth of mastery scrolls then on top up that the honor required to unlock units on the tree. All Blue Lock serves to do is give veteran players a chance to flex their doctrines and mastery to farm 200-plus unit kills a game.

[@LasunaCella]

Wahahah cry baby

[@Projolo]

I prefer blue meta than gold and the range spam is manageable than gold cav spam and choke points defended by flames. In my opinion range spam exist because of the low skill of the player base with blue unit in TW we brought more shields and won easily.

[@TheRogueJedii]

Honestly I used to love blue lock. Now its ranged cancer spam. Everyone brings one or more ranged. That sucks.

[@Projolo]

Ranged spam is bad but people don't have the experience to develop a better meta

[@GeneralSturgeon]

I don't agree with you on all points, but thank you for your perspective.

[@fabilichusaquaman4263]

Blue units is fine. But give armour bonuses. Balance blue unis better so all would be good to play. Only siege/field should be blue. Rest of modes should be all units. I have played the game 5000 hours+ and every house I have been in mostly hate blue/no armor bonus starts. Well at least 80% of team.

[@yutinggamma]

Muskets ruin the blue meta. 1 button and 20 units die. Apart from that I enjoy it. Some challenges are also easier during that time.

[@walkerhill1262]

I think it has to stay as well, what is the point of having greens and blues that become obsolete later to purps and golds. That would turn them into fluff content. Just like with most games I find a poor game design is when things are pointless to spend time developing items/gear/units what ever it is that becomes useless once you get into endgame. There are better routes to take making use of such content. Like with Final Fantasy 11 MMO I can't remember if 14 has it or not (I think so) there are level capped regions that you would use low level gear. Making it an event sounds good on paper but it would be another mode that takes away from the ques. This also gives time for newer players to enjoy the game before getting rick rolled in general pop against people with years of playtime and just all around better kitted troops. I get you wanna use your favorite but this game doesn't have the numbers for new players coming into the game. 1: its older 2: new players get wrecked once released to general pop, that take away the fun making the new player numbers even smaller. I really hope poros does more for the game than mygames. There is so much to touch on it is ridiculous. The game has a HUGE amount of potential, a reboot would be awesome

[@geronimotempesta8930]

Nah, keep the 1 week blue units, on bandit raids an other pve stuff let us use purple or golden units. PD: put a system that wont allow players to close the bandit raids quickly when one of the players of the party haven't reached 200 unit kills.

[@bizon4129]

Get gud

[@LasunaCella]

Yeah

[@matt89connor36]

the meta is purple ...blue only is stupid , gold meta is too mich... if gold units where less in numbers (like half) with less leadership cost (40%), the game will emerge in a new great Era....change my mind

[@SunnyKim_]

You either like Blue lock or you are a sweaty meta nerd that only plays whatever units are OP at the moment. 😜

[@dragonfire5225]

You can play only Meta in blue week as well

[@LasunaCella]

Ikr

[@thefl9493]

go

[@JustinM3177]

It needs to go it’s SO boring. It needs to start with purples if they have to gatekeep you from the units you earned. The blue units are just boring versions of the purples. Blue week is the most boring bs it’s always the same blue ranged spam garbage and it’s dumb.

[@mitoma31]

It should stay, otherwise there is literally no reason to ever play longbow.

[@janchristiansen6378]

Blue weeks are the best. Then us not pay2win players got a change

[@k.l.1521]

Cav should ALWAYS be meta, and it should destroy everything as it historically did. If you dont like that, kick rocks and find another game.

[@sythel4488]

I mean if historical accuracy is the main arguments... Then Cav should be way higher Leadership to show the exorbitant fielding cost it had.... The old resplenishement system of the game was more realistic in that way cause you needed equipment + elite horses but it made t5 not worth playing in siege. We also do have pike n'shot tactic availlable... Historicaly tercio was a hybrid unit made of 3 different soldiers pike, musket and swordman. They're tactic (pike n'shot) actually countered cav heavily until canon technology advanced...

[@dragonfire5225]

@@k.l.1521 Well yes, but if it's just always Cav spam it's going to be boring like blue meta, there should also be more room for Infantry sometimes. My main problem tho is that most of the time even Anti-Cav can't stop the Cav.

[@Projolo]

Cav was powerful because armies were small and they were most trained when infantry got professional gold and purple in this game cavalry stopped being effective.

[@bizon4129]

Stay

[@andreipopescu7872]

Stay