Conservative Party losing support in northern ‘Red Wall’ areas

[@gee_emm]

So voting Tory didn’t work out for working people. Quelle surprise.

[@chezlolxo]

Cue shocked pikachu face

[@alexanderstefanov6474]

Shocking init?

[@Scarz3ny]

Watching my town(which 10 years ago was full of lazy fuks)being made to go to work for a living is the best thing the Tories have done imo👍

[@Jide-bq9yf]

Lolz

[@petermorrell9865]

Hasn’t worked out for anyone

[@englishsteve1465]

"huge educational funding gap for years and years and years" - That would be the years and years the Conservatives have been in power wouldn't it ? over a decade now.

[@MsPeabody1231]

You don't want intelligent poor people regardless of ethnicity as they may make the Labour party electable.

[@spiritualanarchist8162]

Less education creates more ignorant people. These Ignorant people will vote against their interests. And so educational funding will be cut some more , etc,etc.

[@thethanoskillingkind3180]

And it will be another decade with the state Labour are in

[@declanroberts8934]

@@MsPeabody1231 Not only would intelligent working class people make Labour electable it would also make them better.

[@josephstalin7389]

@@spiritualanarchist8162 your wrong more fund = more young propaganda get them young and have them for a lifetime and more ignorance in the people the bigger is nonconformists there are

[@florafauna5883]

They voted for the entertainer, and now they're getting the f*****g comedy show. They get what they deserve, nothing more nothing less.

[@csharpe5787]

Yes Boris is a clown, but the North really does deserve better and the people deserve better. They are hard-working people and need to be given the opportunity.

[@allandavies1642]

@@csharpe5787 Well they wont get it from the Tories ! Check your history and tell me when the Tories stood by you and your work mates ?

[@florafauna5883]

@@csharpe5787 They had the opportunity but went for the tories instead. They have to take responsibility for it.

[@florafauna5883]

@@csharpe5787 I lived for many years in England and I'm aware of the many decent folks there, but the thing is, if you're decent you don't vote tories, the two things don't go together, I'm afraid.

[@charlottejones7585]

What a lovely thing to say about decent, hard working people

[@SeithonJetter]

That one woman... saying she thinks boris was the best ever... holy god talk about dementia.

[@georgedoorley5628]

was thinking did she live in the uk this past 12 months ...........? christ what a muppet she is .........

[@MichaelPetersFenwicks]

😂😂😂😂

[@englishsteve1465]

@@georgedoorley5628 I know but she's from a generation that had little education and were taught that anyone with a posh accent like doctors, bank managers etc were better than other people. Add in not much intelligence and possibly a very sheltered life. Jeez, some of them got married at 16 and hardly ever left the house again ! lol So, with me the really old people get a pass. Now Sun reading Brexiteer builders on the other hand...........

[@jneal21]

english steve Jeremy Corbyn is also posh tho so that don’t make sense

[@englishsteve1465]

@sarah b devotion an attempt at understanding so fk u

[@kraigetrueman1954]

How sad they fell for the cult of Boris, court jester and hater of the working class.

[@ricardosmythe2548]

Labour are no better. 2 teats of the same cow. We need to sink the 2 party system

[@archillesheel8001]

Covid-19 & the Olympics 2012 connection Some may already realise ! But do the rest realise -the Olympics was one big Satanic Ritual with many Corona Stage plays ... kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXy0l3WgoreobbM Evidence people...kzbin.info/www/bejne/oImVo2mGfselq5o

[@AuntyEsther]

@@ricardosmythe2548 Johnson and many of his Tory ilk especially those in the cabinet are members of the Upper Classes - they look down on everybody else and think because they have money they are more successful and superior to people like you and I. Their ideology is that of the Just World - that if you do well it's because you deserved it, if bad things happen and you don't do well you didn't deserve success anyway. They overlook the fact that they - and many so called "successful" people - were born into vast amounts of money and had a superior Public School education which hammered home to them how superior they feel they are compared to the lower classes. Labour does not have this disgusting ideology and wishes to represent everybody not just the ultra rich and the mega corporations who pay little or no taxes. We do however need PR to make it more democratic and other parties could then have more influence, I agree that the two party system does not serve us well. On the continent government is often a coalition between different parties and they don't seem to have the same problem about coalitions that the UK has.

[@ricardosmythe2548]

@@AuntyEsther yes they do look down there noses your right just as Labours MPs and there ilk in the public sector do everyday. None of them can be trusted. With the tories the difference used to be you knew what you were going to get. Those days seem to be gone.

[@colinstephenson5386]

@@ricardosmythe2548 you agree with aunty esther and then lump in the opposition as being just as bad , why bother making a reply ? I suppose KZbin tells you farage or some other cretin would do a better job , don’t forget mr farage stood once for a UK parliament a d got beet by a man dressed as a cartoon character,

[@englishsteve1465]

BREXIT - Any govt competent enough to deliver it, would be competent enough to never want to.

[@namesurname2958]

Haha brilliant

[@englishsteve1465]

@@namesurname2958 Can't claim it's my original. From a piece in the Times, I believe.

[@ednamode2881]

That made me chuckle thnx

[@mrbookish6701]

Quality

[@englishsteve1465]

@EpsilonGoods I would like to stop Russian and American oligarchs from influencing the future of my country. As for "globalists" that's so nebulous a term, it can mean anything. Having a globalist perspective can be positive but shipping all manufacturing to China, well I don't agree with that but it would take govt action to stop it. It's what many on the right support though because it's the "free market/small govt/no regulation" profit driven thing to do right ? market forces like conservative and libertarians bang on about.

[@chezlolxo]

You get what you vote for. The working class should have learned by now, the tories are not on their side.

[@lamueldagon7618]

Exactly

[@MsPeabody1231]

They didn't want Corbyn

[@ricardosmythe2548]

Neither are labour. This mess wont bounce the vote back to them it will mean another party rises before the next election and we will have a hung parliment next time around. Labour helped to create this mess.

[@JoseSantos-vd4pg]

And Labour are?🤣 Both parties are scum. Labour haven't cared about the working class for decades now. Their main thing now is the promotion of moronic social agendas.

[@chezlolxo]

@@JoseSantos-vd4pg Corbyn did care, he cared about justice for the working class and minorities. This is the thing about people, they claim they hate lying and corrupt politicians but they demonstrate they hate honest ones too. Even if you don’t think Corbyn wasn’t corrupt, you cannot deny he was a damn sight better than Johnson. Look where he has led us in a year. Like I said you get what you vote for.

[@newhappiness4410]

Massive unemployment, massive death, (most in Europe), no future jobs for young University graduates. Tories had years to prepare for this. Poor get poorer.

[@ricardosmythe2548]

The UKs defenition of a covid death is "a death by any cause within 28 days of a posative test" and includes many deaths that would not of been recorded as a covid death in many other European countries.

[@alizaidi2893]

@@ricardosmythe2548 why not actually call your local health unit and hsve them explain the covid death rate to you?

[@ricardosmythe2548]

@@alizaidi2893 they dont need to. In my country a covid death is "a death by any cause within 28 days of a posative test" that tells me plenty thank you. Ive closley monitored the situation here and abroad since thr start of all this

[@alizaidi2893]

@@ricardosmythe2548 it tells you that you think you know more than you actually do the fact you refuse to actually talk to some way more qualified than you about it just tells me how arrogant you actually are....its ok dude theres no shame in misunderstanding something because of your own preconceived bias we are all human....but that's why it's so much more important that you reach out to people more knowledgeable than ourselves on the subject

[@ricardosmythe2548]

@@alizaidi2893 basic defenition, its not difficult to understand. "Deaths by ANY cause within 28 days of a posative test" the key word there is "any" if you struggle to comprehend that its your issue and I would agree you should always seek expert advice

[@chamoto2]

No one in their right mind likes EVERYTHING about Bojo. No one.

@Jack bit of strange comment that

[@kimwarburton8490]

@ not really, -where was his support on palestinians support day few days ago? wheres his voice re those families being split n sent to jamaica? read this link below and tell me he gives a flying fuk about normal people or represents the ethos of labour, not to mention he's now coming out all draconian on what people can and cannot say. Im aware of 4+ CLP's whove had a vote of no confidence in him. folk leaving the party in droves, such that theyve had to contact the local offices asking for man hours to deal with all the membership cancelations Ive seen twitter posts few weeks ago from folk claiming theyve received anti-semite remarks, but he n blairite party not intrested, same with other minorities. its all smoke n mirrors to get rid of anything left of centre He is against freedom of speech. he has been bought. He wanted to punish those who leaked the internal labour report last spring, because it showed him for being a backstabber who went on campaign to do everything possible to stop corbyn winning in 2017. he came out of nowhere politically 5 yrs ago, already a Sir. he is a tory mole/plant/stooge labourheartlands.com/sir-keir-starmer-the-establishment-candidate-the-labour-leadership-race-and-the-trilateral-commission/?fbclid=IwAR15XWDFbjk2P0NL3zaiiUZfvC2SgPe3UbdaV-Wnw_7JK8Cg6xZw4Svfr_Q

[@heliotropezzz333]

It's a reply from someone who hasn't really taken notice of what's going on, but only what Boris says, which is quite different.

[@tanyachou4474]

How the common man would think Boris was “getting” them in the first place is beyond me. It’s one of the best con job of the centry

[@davebrennan1509]

Is this that activist apologist for the labour Left-wing Tanya Chou

[@englishsteve1465]

Is this the left wing activist Tanya Chou ? If so, thanks for what you do.

[@davebrennan1509]

@@englishsteve1465 English don't make me laugh

[@lukebancroft8168]

You spelt century wrong.

[@englishsteve1465]

@@davebrennan1509 What's up Dave, bladder control problems ? My grandmother had that problem now and then when she laughed, and curiously, when she sneezed. Hope your OK with sneezing.

[@OneDigitalSoul]

These are the same voters who told us that we “don’t understand” them, “patronise” them, and that it’s us who are “out of touch”. Yet, nearly 1yr later, they regret voting for a man & party we all told them would let them down: ‘The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.’ - Winston Churchill

[@melvinbeck5047]

Did he really say that?

[@Billcornfield]

Couldn't agree more

[@russiandrivers9986]

Maybe we need to give voters an IQ test to stop insane people and retards from deciding our future.

[@hannahdyson7129]

Are you saying they shouldn't be allowed to vote ? Well done the Torries are about to do that for you .

[@grahamwilson2290]

There's a lot of Left Wing idiots in the house 🤣🤣🤣

[@akumaali5798]

He didn’t want a comedian but still voted for Boris the clown 🤦🏻

@sarah b devotion wow you really got him didn’t you hope you’re proud of yourself

[@pastyman001]

The Tory MP says they are delivering brexit, as if that will help. January is going to be a disaster and has not really started yet

[@petergrossett9236]

Delivering brexit in support of a democratic vote, endorsed by a landslide election win. Labour and the Lib Dems were pro remain/ anti democracy, out of step with the country. Labour & the liberals promised to listen,and learn, but they haven't. Jobs have been lost to china, eastern Europe and elsewhere, and thats ok with Labour, that is how the working class have rejected Labour for the only brexiteers in town. Boris.

[@pastyman001]

@@petergrossett9236 People can be wrong. But the ex Labour people voting Tory are already rejecting that in Polls. The LibDem vote increased by over 1million, by more than anyone else. The Tory vote was virtually unchanged and the combined votes of anti brexit parties was higher. Labour's vote collapsed and LibDems suppressed by fear of letting in Corbyn. If you choose to ignore that and actual votes you miss what is really going on. We are about to see what brexit really is and people will see they have been had. Brexit will become less popular than Typhoid

[@pastyman001]

@@petergrossett9236 Maybe now at the cusp of disaster the real threat is starting to sink in. The BBC are usually fairly scrupulous at balance, except when they were repeatedly visiting Stoke and northern towns for brexity vox pops without such balance. But today on Radio 4's "Any Answers" the majority of caller Comments ( and the coherent ones) were anti-brexit. The presenter reported that they were getting few calls from brexiters who remained supportive of that increasingly unsustainable position. They previously had no such shortage.

[@petergrossett9236]

@@pastyman001 there's only one poll that matters. Labour has done nothing to win back trust. Neither has the MSM.

[@pastyman001]

@@petergrossett9236 It's not a legitimate system. It's not democracy, not the will of the people and there will be consequences when this rotten system and all the lies told are found out. When people cannot pay their bills, businesses fail, jobs are lost there will anger and change

[@Rumpelstyltskin]

"The UK will have a strong economy next year" wrong it will be calling in the IMF...again.

[@BenDover-cy4nb]

Labour is the only party to do that 👨‍🦰

[@kimwarburton8490]

@@BenDover-cy4nb do you mean back when the pound was devalued from 2.80 dollar ratio? ya DO know the tories left the uk bankrupt n thats what forced labour's hand -there were no other options, we wernt part of the EU. Princess margret was asked to beg for usa loan first of 3million before they did that^ Learn ur history hmm

[@archillesheel8001]

Covid-19 & the Olympics 2012 connection Some may already realise ! But do the rest realise -the Olympics was one big Satanic Ritual with many Corona Stage plays ... kzbin.info/www/bejne/mXy0l3WgoreobbM Evidence people...kzbin.info/www/bejne/oImVo2mGfselq5o

[@mogznwaz]

@@kimwarburton8490 WW2 and its aftermath bankrupted this country.

[@thecfbutcher1174]

Hahaha, yeah, looks like you were wrong.

[@kraigetrueman1954]

No one should ever vote for such toffs, they don't care about the working class

[@jebbo-c1l]

obviously

[@bt3743]

@Rifle Eyez ukip don't care either. They'll keep their rich mates rich and trick people like you into voting for em cause they got photographed holding a pint glass

[@weezer5442]

We have a saying here in the States. "Fool me once shame on you and in the case of Brexit, fool me over and over, shame on me!" One wonders on what it takes for people to realize they have voted against themselves when they vote for the hapless Tories!?

[@neilog747]

They would need brain cells and some compassion for 'others'.

[@melvinbeck5047]

If the Persians decided something while drunk, they made a rule to reconsider it when sober.

[@ricardosmythe2548]

What party should brexit voters of voted for to ensure there will was carried out as promised by the PM of the day? There is only one correct awnser and because of the 2 party system and the people who blindly support either side of it that option wasnt a viable one.

[@cyberash3000]

weezer a lot of us northerners voted for berexit to hurt the southerners and especially the londoners, we wanted to see them starved of EU money because they have been claiming lots of EU money for the north, but then giving it wall to tthe south. so we wanted to starve them of that

[@btd836]

Where did you read that EU funds were being denied to the North and funnelled to the South? Sounds like something Cambridge analytica would have been sharing on Facebook. EU development funds supported poor areas in the UK, Wales got cash, locally in Coventry they got cash. All because they were labour voting areas the Torys were happy to leave to rot. I've heard other people talk about protest Brexit vote. I cannot understand the logic personally. You protest the London centric policy by leaving the EU, gifting more power to tories in London to write their own rules and be as centric as they like.

[@Torontopia]

I don't understand how any working class person would think that Conservatives/Tories would be the party that cares about them. They care about making the rich, richer and that's about it!

[@Azzie_S]

I think the Tories exploited the fact a lot of these voters wanted Brexit. Boris' Tories wanted Brexit, so they could pretend that they cared what the electorate was demanding without actually having do anything for them. I think because Labour was pursuing the 2nd Referendum. It was very easy for the Tories and the Tory friendly media to spin as if Labour no longer cared about the working class. (Even though Labour's 2019 Manifesto would have made life much better for the working class voters).

[@matthewsmith2787]

The conservatives have never liked the common man, or working classes. The conservatives is a government for the rich and those who say screw everyone else.

[@mikeharvey9811]

You believed the lies about Corbyn, When your NHs is gone you’ll realise you were duped ...barb

[@insomniacbritgaming1632]

Erm... what about the mass mothballing of hospitals under Labour? More Hospitals were closed under Labour while the Tories have reopened more hospitals and hospital wings... you want to blame anyone for the failings of the NHS... blame the trustees, you know, the ones in charge of the hospital funds

[@PaulAlexander-tokyomagic]

These regions under new labour "we want our left wing party back" These regions under a left wing labour party "we are voting tory"

[@nullvoid564]

They are socially right and fiscally left New Labour is far left socially and fiscally neoliberal same as the con party

[@blazzz13]

@@nullvoid564 Yes to the first and no to the second. Under Corbyn definitely Labour was far left, particularly with some of the stuff Abbott used to say. But Blair was is no way far left, more like centrist.

[@nullvoid564]

@@blazzz13 Blair was definitely the same neoliberal type, keep labour costs down and resource cost high type! and the type of scum to murder civilians overseas too, having the soldiers come home in boxes was something that probably aroused Tony Blair i bet he creamed himself looking at combat fatalities and civilian deaths

[@rtyums6830]

I think despite personally agreeing with Corbyn's ideology, which would greatly benefit these working class areas, I think he also damaged Labour by allowing his reputation and image to be smeared by the right.

[@bt3743]

@@nullvoid564 you'd think the sdp would do wonderful in the North then

[@elftax]

This will only make it worse for the Red Wall voters, the Tories know that they won’t win in these seats and give up on them already. This means less investment and harsher austerity.

[@allandavies1642]

Come on,the tories will never give up. The struggle between the classes has been an on going one since the industrial revelution from the 1790s. And it will continue to ebb and flo. Question is : where do you stand in this struggle ?

[@elftax]

@@allandavies1642 according to Tory philosophy, Govt has limited resources. Where do you think they will spend those resources, In Blue heartlands? Or former Red Wall seats that are polling labour?.

[@allandavies1642]

@@elftax They will spend it where ever it best serves them.

[@stuartfitch7093]

Facts are my dad is labour my mum is Conservative. I hold values of both. I have voted for both in the past. I'm a true floating voter. Yet I'm working class and brought up in an east Midlands industrial town. I was sick of seeing nothing after 80+ years of labour local rule but high unemployment, low wages, high crime etc. I've not had a pay rise in six years and I am now virtually minimum wage. I voted tory last time because I thought I might get more wage through them as I seem to get nowhere with labour and gmb but instead, it looks now as if the minimum living wage next year will only go up 2% instead of the intended 5%. This is not leveling anything up.

[@kimwarburton8490]

@@stuartfitch7093 i feel ya, but ya know blair WASNT labour. he was thatchers greatest pride a tory-lite neo-liberal n thats why sweet FA was done 'up north' ya know full well that labour seats done get the same funding -just take a look at this year witht he funding given to diff councils re covid have u ever read what labour actually stand for? they were built and based on socialist and democratic values All the good things have come from socialism. SKS is just another blairite too

[@kuro68000]

How can people be so thick?

[@nullvoid564]

By voting Labour for multiple decades and getting worse off under both parties.

[@numega7323]

Education is underfunded.

[@diabl2master]

@Kamaal Jones No one? Huh??

[@allaroundme5429]

@Kamaal Jones I'd argue that labour between 97 and 2010 was not labour.

[@MetalisMental]

They're not thick. They have been systematically denied the knowledge and education to make informed decisions.

[@adrian19831983]

The consortium is forgetting they were the government for the previous 9 years. So they brought the country to this point.

[@englishsteve1465]

Exactly that. Sad part is, some will be nodding along not even realising that much.

[@insomniacbritgaming1632]

And what did the Labour government of 1998-2010 do? Mothball hospitals, create NHS trusts (which now control hospital budgeting not the government), or what about the underfunded education system? Or maybe selling then working class down the river with the EU open borders agreement That created a wage stagnation? But let's not talk about any of that...

[@englishsteve1465]

@@insomniacbritgaming1632 When people end with a snarky "but let's not talk about that" I wonder if they think that a YT comment section is the right place for an exhaustive overview of British post war politics ? But FYI I'm no fan of New Labour, the Blair yrs, PFI and a lot more, beholden to the bankers and out of touch as they were. I merely find them slightly less rotten and cruel than the Tory's. Root and branch reform would be my prescription. As long as that's OK with you, I'll carry on thinking that.

[@insomniacbritgaming1632]

@@englishsteve1465 tell me one thing the Tories have done that has been so appaling? I'll wait

[@bt3743]

@@insomniacbritgaming1632 how about slashing nhs funding and closing gps. Or privatising the nhs slowly. Or austerity which killed millions. Or appeasement. Or putting workers out of their jobs by closing mines. Or lying to the queen and breaking their own lockdown rules

[@urbanimage]

The UK has a lower minimum wage than the following countries : France ($11.66) New Zealand ($11.20) Germany ($10.87) Netherlands ($10.44) Belgium ($10.38)

[@ScottishRoss27]

Lowest state pension in the developed world

[@Lando-kx6so]

@@ScottishRoss27 that's a lie

[@ScottishRoss27]

@@Lando-kx6so The full UK state pension is £175, £223 in Ireland, £507 in Germany, £304 in France, and £513 in Spain.

[@emmabrooker166]

urbanimage and the lowest SSP

[@heliotropezzz333]

@@ScottishRoss27 fullfact.org/online/pensions-countries-comparisons/ The OECD measures what’s called a “pension replacement rate”-which broadly speaking expresses what pensioners receive relative to their previous earnings when working. UK pensions are relatively low on this measure as well. If you just consider mandatory public and private pensions, an average UK pensioner’s income is worth 29% of their earnings at retirement, compared to 51% in Germany, 75% in France and 82% in Spain. But pensions in both the UK and Germany tend to get top-ups from voluntary pensions, which pushes their ratios to 62% for the UK and 65% for Germany when included (with the other countries staying the same).

[@michaellawrence7570]

They voted for the tories so that's the reward you get.They haven't learned their lesson yet

[@russiandrivers9986]

He promised to "level up" the north and then put them out of a job. When people warned them they called it scaremongering.

[@thefacelessvaper2833]

I wouldn't ever vote Conservative again. They pissed everyone off with Dominic Cummings incident, and when they said about a no deal brexit. After all there promises, never again ! Boris Johnson and their party have let the whole country down.

[@StijnHommes]

That's what happens when a govetnment shows how incompetent they are.

[@georgedoorley5628]

aint seen nothing yet .........wait till 2021 and nodeal brexit............then people will see the full horrors that the tories have in store .......................

[@englishsteve1465]

@Jack yawn

[@magburner]

The alternative competent government is....?

[@englishsteve1465]

@Jack Child

[@davidellis5141]

Labour will benefit from the mishandling of the pandemic. People will not forget this , its so life altering.

[@Diovanlestat]

@Trollslayer We are not comparable, your system is based on two right wing parties run by the rich. In Europe it is different, money isn't necessary to gain power or be president (but is helpful). We start at a base from the middle as social democracies, and have welfare states providing health coverage, pensions, benefits and education for all no matter income. After that, our Tories (Conservative Blue) like business, tax cuts, saving and self-sufficiency whilst the left (Labour Red) like to help the poorest and minorities, like increasing state services (more teachers, more fireman, less work), They also like to take more from the rich and business for ideology reasons and dream of a world of equality. Hope that helps.

[@matthewsmith2787]

Would labour handle is any better?

[@kimwarburton8490]

@@Diovanlestat ur talking about real/true labour, not blairites or SKS's lot aka neo-liberals. SKS been bought. he recently took money from a racist too -guess he ahs to with all the membership cancelations several CLPs have voted no confidence in him now, incl the biggest bristol labourheartlands.com/sir-keir-starmer-the-establishment-candidate-the-labour-leadership-race-and-the-trilateral-commission/?fbclid=IwAR15XWDFbjk2P0NL3zaiiUZfvC2SgPe3UbdaV-Wnw_7JK8Cg6xZw4Svfr_Q

[@Diovanlestat]

@@kimwarburton8490 Sorry missed the notification. We were talking on another youtube comment section earlier. Thanks for the info and the link. Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. I see you have found out about "Big Boy Politics", which changes you from mere ineffectual students debating group to someone with the power and connections to get things done. Sorry, this has shocked you. But yes this is how things are done, everywhere, in every industry, even amongst things like the higher levels of unions or in the Vatican. It's why ALL politics is dirty. If you want to lift the lid on the underbelly of democracies, after Chomsky, there is no better place to start than reading Jon Ronson. Two books in particular. "The Men Who Stare at Goats" and "Them: Adventures with Extremists" where he will introduce you to the secret " Bilderberg Group". Ronson is a journalist so these are real facts and not just fairytales. He's also very, very funny,(and sad) so they are an easy read. What you hear might upset you though, when you find out the large scale things you are dealing with. Please, please read, you really will enjoy and learn more that will back up most of what you believe right now. (Don't watch the film versions, they can't even begin to cover the scale of the problem)

[@kimwarburton8490]

@@Diovanlestat im not shocked shocked XD n you came across condescending^ i was screaming about this sorta stuff before the 2017 GE election, when it was clear that brexit was not about saving the nhs, but destroying it, of keeping the elite's tax loops and offshore accounts out of scrutiny. That instead of regaining sovreignity, we'd be throwing it away n giving it to USA where at least we were the most powerful shareholder in the EU with power of VETO etc etc etc youv eheard it all before. The influence of that murdock 'man' is criminal^ ive been intrested in 'conspiracy' theories since forever when my dad intro'd me to his beliefs in alien crop circles. Many are easy to dismiss like 5g => covid -.- More so when i realised that allopathic medicine CHOSES to hide cheap effective treatments that can reverse chronic inflammatory conditions Since i learnt how the media manufactures our consent, when i gave up Tv 10+ years ago XD to be 100% honest, ive had a gut-full of being dissapointed with democracy o late, i know enough not to trust n look into things on an as n when they r relevent to the here n now basis. its been a shitty year n im now at the point where i have to be selective about incoming data to avoid a downward mental health spiral

[@mike.B.1]

The huge gap between income levels makes people unhappy, regardless of how much Torries would rise the minimum salary. I'm sick and tired of the Torries

[@fanniefreddie9137]

The problem isn't Tories, the problem is a lack of market. If it was worth for the City of London to move to Leeds tomorrow, Leeds would be BOUNCING within a week

[@mike.B.1]

@@fanniefreddie9137 kzbin.info/www/bejne/ppW1aIqNaL2Fb8U You can see for yourself that Torries never cared for the huge gap between income levels. As long as they benefited themselves from this, of course

[@ricardothorburn4089]

@@fanniefreddie9137 the problem is the Tories. They ensure the bulk of investment goes to London and the South so that in turn the bulk of income comes to the south.

[@jacklewis3803]

Woman in yellow coat: *votes Labour all her life* Also woman: “BoRiS iS tHe bEsT PriMe MiNisTeR eVeR”

[@Adam-hf7hn]

exactly make it make sense

[@matthewkopp2391]

God save the welfare scheme God save our football team God save the clotted cream. God save our Mr. Bean. God save our past regime God save our self esteem God save the Queen.

[@cinderball1135]

I just want to challenge the assertion right at the start - it wasn't that Labour voters swapped to the Tories - it was that a lot of Labour voters simply stayed home. Thousands who were reliable attendees at the polls didn't show up, perhaps in response to the controversies surrounding then-leader Jeremy Corbyn, and perhaps in response to Labour's lukewarm reaction to Brexit. I'm not saying I think Labour deserved to win the last election, or that it didn't - only challenging the framing of the facts, which was misleading. :)

[@cinderball1135]

@Adele K I'm looking through the results and comparing the difference between 2017 and 2019, and it's really hard to say that there was actually that much of a swing away from Labour direct to the Conservatives. The Conservatives gained around 3000 votes (going from 18,000 to 21,000), but Labour lost 8000 (going from 24,000 down to just 16,000), which seems to underscore my point, not yours. As I said originally, it's not that Labour voters converted en masse to the Tories - it's that Labour voters didn't turn up, or potentially voted for third parties (which amounts to the same thing).

[@cinderball1135]

@Adele K I should clarify then, I don't really mean to suggest anything more complex than that it is wrong to think that 8000 Labour voters swapped to the Conservatives, which is the impression one would get from listening to the beginning of this report. I framed it as saying that a lot of Labour voters stayed home, because that's an alternative narrative I've also heard, but that's probably just as shaky, in all fairness. If I were pressed, I'd just say that the results were messy, and I expect a combination of factors were responsible, rather than any one. Yes, I imagine Brexit was a key factor, but so too was the state of the leadership, and so too was the manifesto (which was populated with excellent policies, but too many for the average voter to have faith that it was serious). Of course, without stopping and interviewing every single Bolsover voter, it would be hard to know for sure, but this is why I should try to keep my assertions fairly tight and limited. I hope that makes sense. :)

[@charlottejones7585]

Well I live close to the area in the report and I can only speak from my experience. Whenever I talked to my neighbours and friends before the election (mainly those older than me. I'm 28) they said the main reason they wanted to vote Tory-was because they didn't trust Jeremy Corbyn and thought he lacked any leadership skills or any charisma (which is about the only good thing going for BoJo- plenty of confidence and pre- Covid was good at pretending he knew what he was talking about. Oh Except when he hid in a fridge on Live TV)

[@lisachrister9990]

This has aged well in a few months.

[@jamesl6555]

Hahaha I was about to say that

[@142doddy]

Labour really screwed themselves. Declining to honour the result of the referendum as we've seen isn't gonna play well in most labour constituencies.

[@shahinkhan6930]

Corbyn is a good man.

[@lamueldagon7618]

Well said

[@pastyman001]

Maybe now at the cusp of disaster the real threat is starting to sink in. The BBC are usually fairly scrupulous at balance, except when they were repeatedly visiting Stoke and northern towns for brexity vox pops without such balance. But today on Radio 4's "Any Answers" the majority of caller Comments ( and the coherent ones) were anti-brexit. The presenter reported that they were getting few calls from brexiters who remained supportive of that increasingly unsustainable position. They previously had no such shortage.

[@react--]

The people who voted for Johnson deserve everything that's coming to them.

[@BlueLeopard200]

Exactly.

[@jacquelinerudd4414]

Goes to prove Polls aren't correct...Red Wall still getting smashed by Tories

[@pastyman001]

Frozen public sector pay, more squeezes on council funding and cuts in benefits from an already extraordinarily low level. How on earth are people meant to live on £95 a week Sick Pay and employers are not even obliged to pay it. My water and energy bills alone would take half that.

[@brothwood4108]

The worst type of muppet is a working man voting Tory. They need to hand in their Northern Card to the town hall

[@wilsonhodge71]

How many times do they need to do this Raja?

[@brothwood4108]

@@wilsonhodge71 just the once to be a muppet. They can redeem themselves though as vote for a party that does not want economic liberalism

[@wilsonhodge71]

@@brothwood4108 'Redeem themselves' a revealing choice of words. Are you their saviour?

[@brothwood4108]

@@wilsonhodge71 I can be

[@wilsonhodge71]

@@brothwood4108 And what particular church will you direct them to? The Church of Corbyn perhaps?

[@stuartsimister5042]

It doesn't matter what the tories do Labour will not get back in power for many generations no matter what propaganda we watch and hear I'm afraid.

[@matthewsmith2787]

Tories have lost all credibility, and what little respect they had has now gone.

[@allaroundme5429]

God help us if people vote them in again!

[@allaroundme5429]

@Jo Bloggs me too. It's just a shame others couldn't see sense. We had a chance for real change. Now instead, we have this.

[@Jamesy-kp4tu]

As a northerner, let me assure you of something, nobody wanted to vote conservative it’s just Jeremy Corbyn is utterly despised up here

[@ishamael0]

aye agreed

[@aeydra]

What do you like about BoJo? Everything! Someone's just got her name added to the waiting list of the nearest mental institute 🤪

[@AuntyEsther]

those incarcerated in the nearest mental institute would have more sense in fact.

[@socialistsolidarity]

The British people will keep going back to the Tories no matter how much atrocities the scums commit. It's like an abusive partner that you keep going back to because you're emotionally invested and can't see another way out.

[@man_feelings93]

Can't say I feel sympathy for them

[@sarahbank9365]

All these people being interviewed don't really give hard reasons why they like the Tories or why they're the better party. They just give emotional reasons without any specific actions. Government shouldn't be run based on emotional reasons.

[@gerardtom5722]

I'm voting for Keir starmers labour party

[@Josh-cm9jw]

The worrying part for me is that Labour haven't been reaching places like these. It's a failure of campaigning and a lack of quality opposition that's left these places without a Labour party they feel comfortable voting for

[@corky1548]

Kick borris out 🏳

[@georgedoorley5628]

gove will take over then ................have another 4 years of these gangsters to put up with .............

[@vincentmckenna1755]

Labour hasnt done anything yet

[@christopherseton-smith7404]

It's never been clearer: be careful what you vote for It's hard to see Tory values when you have political cataracts.

[@whiteworkingclass7678]

Boris has lost the red wall but people up here wont vote for starmer not in a million years the likely outcome is people wont vote

[@joandavis3227]

Well at the end of the day none of the parties are worth a vote

[@emm_arr]

So you get others to choose for you! Well dung!

[@64offsuiter]

lets be honest, they were and still are labour supporters BUT they wanted Brexit. It was a Brexit election.

[@heliotropezzz333]

Well they are getting Brexit with a vengeance now.

[@cupguin]

Wow that's a fantastic Boris' styled interview. "Here are some fantastic sounding numbers! But I won't put those in context, I'll ignore the fact we underfunded these same services for years under previous Tories so increases don't bring things back to what they were and don't ask if any of this is going to be enough, just listen to how big the numbers are!!!". Just keeps focusing on individual examples that don't change what the reality on the ground is. Saying "we're increasing the number of nurses by this many!!" only works if you ignore who that increase is needed and you don't have to get healthcare from in a chronically underfunded area. It doesn't help the NHS, doesn't help patients but if you like the sound of big numbers it's very impressive. What about the huge impact brexit is going to have on the NHS? Oh that's right, just listen to our nice big very impressive numbers!!

[@the_9ent]

Colour me shocked. The Tories are screwing over working people. Who couldn’t have seen this happening? Oh, everyone apparently.

[@aperson22222]

Serves the voters right. They should have seen it coming. But they've got a long way to go before they can correct their mistakes.

[@hurri7720]

The funny thing about the British is that as soon as one Brit claims Britain has the best or the highest eic. all Brits will believe it to be true because it sounds so nice, and nobody will question it, and they do it constantly. Minimum Wage by Country 2020 France ($11.66) New Zealand ($11.20) Germany ($10.87) Netherlands ($10.44) Belgium ($10.38) United Kingdom ($10.34) Ireland ($9.62) Canada ($9.52)

[@melvinbeck5047]

If the Persians decided something while drunk, they made a rule to reconsider it when sober.

[@callumfisher8101]

Oh great. Replacing tories with labour, who will do the exact same thing.

[@oldishandwoke-ish1181]

Labour's 2019 manifesto offered an alternative to the neoliberal smash and grab. But no, Joe and Joan Public prefer being crapped on by posh psychos.

[@NeverRubARhubarb]

The "work culture"? Oh, he said 'woke culture' in a North East accent. Bless.

[@ccf3294]

Channel 4 is so deluded. Said Tories wouldn’t win the red wall in 2019 and put people slagging Bojo off. This is not a representative piece of journalism.

[@kimwarburton8490]

that woman need to go into an institution! :O

[@DaChaGee]

The guy said there's a north south devide and the Tories support the south but London voted Labour 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@metastract]

People are so easily manipulated. Make people laugh etc and they're eating from your hands. Tories are great marketers and excellent at getting poor people to vote against their own interests. We need to educate people of all ages that charm and jocularity in a leader can be a red flag. 🚩 They're traits used to get you to lower your defences in all contexts. Often more boring but smart and empathetic leaders are much safer options.

[@magnusbruce4051]

Play stupid games (vote Tory) - win stupid prizes (Tory government). Labour do need to work to attract voters, though. Saying "we're not the other party" is not a good basis for running a country.

[@emm_arr]

Take a little test: give three occasions when they dd that. I am asking for a checkable citation. Call it a BS test.

[@matthewsmith2787]

Labour need to appeal to the working classes, and promise not to let the world in like last time and bankrupt the country

[@emm_arr]

@@matthewsmith2787 You're been at the Tory false claims again! Get a grip.

[@loganbeckett13]

He thought this burger was healthier...

[@ednamode2881]

Wow these a lot of these comments saying ‘they got what they deserved’ are just plain snobbish tbh .

[@josephdyson3737]

I understand that people are pissed off with this govt, but blaming the voters is never a smart move. Especially if you want to win them back in a few years time, they should blame the politicians instead for promising them the world and inevitably failing to deliver.

[@kylewalker6737]

Labour is lost under starmer

[@faultylog3713]

Agree

[@richardfairs4871]

Labour are making progress 8:09 under Starmer. They're going for the middle ground and trying to get back working class constituencies. He's playing the long game and us prepared to lose the far left to gain elsewhere

[@kylewalker6737]

@@richardfairs4871 abstaining on votes and not opposing government is not leadership i can only imagine what he would be like in office if he only sits on the fence now

[@csharpe5787]

You have to be joking. It's so refreshing to see somebody with integrity and Intelligence. Corbyn just knew how to agitate, but doesn't know how to come up with Solutions. Anyone to make promises, fue can deliver them.

[@csharpe5787]

@@kylewalker6737 There's no point arguing for arguing sake. Just have to look at America to know that.

[@siroswaldfortitude409]

Channel 4 news...just admit your left wing bias

[@etmp3317]

And mr JC would have had your best interest at heart and yet you voted for the bojo 🤔astonishing to say the least ....

[@Ueiksg]

I will revote for labour now. In 2019 I and the British people voted to oust a Bolshevist Anti-Semite. If Corbyn won I was seriously considering moving abroad. Don’t praise him, look to the competent leader of the future, in Starmer.

[@unknown-zf3jl]

That women who said Johnson is the best pm is a joke

[@CrunchyNorbert]

tl;dr : swamp is gonna swamp

[@Gizo02]

I think the ‘free school meals’ fiasco, with many of these Tory MPs being widely criticised for their votes by their own constituents (and many of them actually getting into online arguments with constituents), was a major turning point.

[@23StudiosSports]

Here comes the media stumping for Labour!

[@Christian988.]

Don't you mean simping?

[@23StudiosSports]

@@Christian988. either or 😂

[@gee_emm]

Correction; stumping for Neo-liberala perhaps.

[@henryphilippeaux3566]

An excellent repudiation to the points made

[@scottw3048]

"why are these leopard's eating my face" ask confused people who voted for Leopard's Eating People's Faces Party

[@cyberslim7955]

8:10 As a Brexit guy, why is he comparing himself to Germany and France, shouldn't he compare the UK to USA and the moon?

[@allaroundme5429]

People up north who betrayed themselves by voting for this awful government should be ashamed themselves. I'm sorry but i have little sympathy for anyone up there who now realises the damage they have caused.

[@csharpe5787]

They were probably always only on loan from the start. Unfortunately Boris appears to be weak, when Boris backed Dominic Cummings. It made you question who was in charge. I think it was a reaction against Corbyn in the most part. Boris was never really been a look after the north was he.

[@petergrossett9236]

The Labour Party lost Scotland. Last year they lost the red wall. I don't see the Labour listening or learning.

[@jjwebster1]

The sad thing is there isn't a party to represent the working class anymore. You have the choice of the woke rich or the Eaton rich. Either way both parties don't want to end the tier systems and lockdowns.

[@chuckwilliams3003]

The more Boris Johnson looks more incompetent and the less likely he can deliver on brexit, the more inclined they’ll be to return to Labour.

[@MrTSK27]

WE TOLD 'EM so..!!

[@Muskegon1608]

This video aged like milk

[@josephdyson3737]

At the last election, the Tories managed to deflect from the last 10 years in office, by pretending they hadn’t been in government. That and they managed to frame the election as a singular issue “get Brexit done”, and that it’d be over in two months... forgetting that trade talks would inevitably take over, and that it’s a five year parliament...

[@WheelieWheeliePink]

I always remember asking a young lad how he voted once, his answer was Tory. I asked him why he voted this way, he answers my dad voted for the tories. So I said do you mind if I ask what your dad does for a living? A brick layer. 😂 we have Tory brick layers now what a joke 😂 do people ever learn.

[@1234doawee]

ahhh yes polling, why I am not convinced by this haha

[@Ome99]

The people failed their own interests by voting against Labour, now they are reaping what they sowed

[@Ome99]

@Jo Bloggs Well I feel sorry for you, and hope you can stand on your own feet one day! Conservatives would like to give less assistance to struggling people like you, and if they could, they would scrap them off completely. But hey, the rich and corporations need more tax breaks while most of the tax burden falls on the middle class. And remember when they said they would fix tax loops like tax havens? Yeah, that is never going to happen, because it tax loops benefit them and their overlords, the rich that line up their pockets.

[@unknown-zf3jl]

It was all to.do with Brexit. But we know how that is going Boris,

[@PhilipJackson03]

This isn’t even shocking. Boris knew the only way was going to secure the northern seats was to move more economic activity towards the North. But that has barely happened, and isn’t likely to happen with such a big deficit due to COVID. So naturally the North would go back to Labour, and that’s a good sign. I just hope Kier understands that they could easily swing to the Tories easily. It’s imperative the Labour Party looks to support the white working class it has largely abandoned.

[@ashleyburns6752]

As soon as Labour starts talking race, identity politics, BLM and white privelege, they lose those voters again.

[@independentandfree6466]

This video demonstrates why the south think northerners are thick. To be taken in by Blair and Johnson is very telling.

[@krpkrp3033]

AS usual for Channel 4, selective stats and selective interviews. They never show how many refused.

[@emm_arr]

I've never seen a news outlet do that - and nor have you. Great shitpost.

[@mrsimonbower]

The poll at 3:45 very subtly asks two very different questions: 1/ Do you think Keir Starmer is doing a good job? 42% 2/ Do you think Boris Johnson is doing a bad job? 25% Why not use the same question for both channel 4 or does it not fit your liberal narrative?

[@robharris8844U]

Total BS - if Tories get us out of EU and do any level up in any way the vote will be the same but if he does the opposite they are toast as were Labour!

[@spartacusforlife1508]

And the Labour Party is any better? I would never vote Conservative or Liberal but I will never again vote for the Labour Party. One thing the political assassination of corbyn taught me is that the majority of Labour m.p..'s are not interested in their electorate. I was not a corbyn fan but was willing to vote Labour given they represent most of my views. I now find I can never again trust any hierarchy of the Labour Party given it is all about gaining power and selling out your values to get it

[@hannahdyson7129]

By the time 2024 come around the vast majority of the former Red Wall will not have any fight left in it to vote . Then again that's what the South have always wanted

[@emm_arr]

Give them time and more truthful newspapers and they'll also come to see that Brexit was for the people with offshored fortunes

[@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304]

Still pushing conspiracy theories I see

[@emm_arr]

@@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 No. Brexit was for the people with offshored fortunes.

[@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304]

@@emm_arr You sound just like Trump - They do say conspiracy theories are for losers

[@emm_arr]

@@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304 Shitpost.

[@proselytizingorthodoxpente8304]

@@emm_arr ​ 'Shitpost' is not any kind of argument in defense of what is basically just a conspiracy theory about 'rich evil money grabbing Brexiters' tricking poor dumb voters into voting to leave the EU just so they can make money. Its a simplistic logic that allows you to substitute reality for something you find more comforting. And anyone who disagrees with you is Russian troll. But no, you moron. People can legitimately disagree with you on an issue without secretly being in the pay of the kremlin.

[@rogerfjohnson2051]

Not really surprising given the way that the government have handled Covid and the anticipation of the set out in the Brexit talks. Like the majority of the working men and women in the UK who voted Conservative it was to get Brexit done and reinvest back into British industry so that they have gainful employment 🤔

[@ps3isthebest560]

Boris should have done way better to handle covid but didn't until now with the vaccine thats in the uk