Annette Gordon-Reed: The Contradictions of Jefferson

[@janetlynch5804]

I love this lady. I've seen her on various televised historical programs, and on C-Span's Book TV, and I have read about her. (Personally, I am a history buff, and an amateur genealogist.) Not only is this lady (Annette Gordon-Reed) highly intelligent historically she is also joy to listen to with her consistent and calm voice. Too many intellectuals speak like educated nuts or as in German it is called "Fachidiot." Pardon me. But in saying that, Annette Gordon Reed is far from that. She is one of the best orators, I've ever heard. She is more factual, and less emotional to her understanding of the facts (i.e.more focused,) yet, she is very humane in her speaking. She personally also seems very likable, and I bet she is. And I think that is what makes her the more broadly intelligent, than many other so-called informed talking heads (counterparts) who cannot see anything beyond the written word much less applications to regular life. Thumbs up, Ms.Annette Gordon-Reed...keep up the good work. I really appreciate you! I'm sure many others do to. Btw, I know it is not your job, Mrs. Reed, but will you please correct pseudo-historian David Barton (Wallbuilder) on Jefferson? Barton's religiously based books are not only incorrect but are wrongfully the changing of history. Glenn Beck, and many government officials, especially in Texas hold Barton to such a high degree that it is ridiculous. To many informed American's think he is sickening, and disgusting...for putting such crap out there, and for having so much influence. One example: A book, which he intends to republish, after it being pulled by the publishers...and the original is still for sale on Amazon: www.amazon.com/Jefferson-Lies-Exposing-Always-Believed-ebook/dp/B019PONKLM/ref=as_li_ss_tl?ie=UTF8&qid=1459963012&sr=8-1&keywords=dave+barton&linkCode=sl1&tag=s0231-20&linkId=20338f996bb24c918faaf7768d4b3b36

[@euphegenia]

“The Hemingses of Monticello” is a spectacular book

[@ah2552]

She's brilliant.

[@comontater]

Jefferson considered numerous options for expatriating the freed slaves to the western territories , to various places in south and central America, to Haiti and to Africa but all of these options either had their dangers or were too expensive. Jefferson did not believe in the equality of the black and white races. He also did not believe the two people could live together under the same government.

[@incakola3529]

While Thomas Jefferson's paternity of Sally Hemings' children may be debated, he remains a foundational figure in American history. He played a crucial role in liberating the country from tyranny, which ultimately led to the abolition of slavery. Without his contributions, the United States of America as we know it might not exist. Let's recognize his significance and celebrate his legacy.

[@drstevenbrule]

Debated by who

[@charlieee625]

It’s not debated in good faith. Slave owners fathering children with enslaved women was common. DNA evidence proved Hemings descendents were descended from Jefferson’s family and TJ was home 9 months before all 6 kids were born. People who say it could have been one of his nephews are imagining an incredibly implausible scenario.

[@drstevenbrule]

Title of her book would be nice

[@Think1stMedia]

Why didn't he free Sally Hemmings? The same reason Pimps don't free their prostitutes, he didn't want to give up his gravy train. No excuse.

[@Think1stMedia]

@@batoula1022 HONOR if he had HONOR,as you say, he would not have had slaves. HONOR has no expiration date. As for the accusations the writers of the time already stated he took Salley with him when he traveled and she slept in the room with him. That was ALREADY WELL KNOWN so there was nothing to protect. Furthermore, people who visited his home commented PUBLICALLY about how he had Mixed Slaves and Servants that looked like him. So what was there to protect???? How would it have been DISHONORABLE to free Her??? Not to mention some people did free their slaves at some point. It was often on RARE OCCASIONS like death for instancs but that never dishonored someone for freeing a slave.

[@Think1stMedia]

@@batoula1022 He had every opportunity in his lifetime before he was bankrupt to free his slaves and he never freed 1!!! Not even 1!!! Where do you get the idea he would've freed his slaves??? And do you know how offensive it is for you to say "HE HAD TO SELL HIS SLAVES" SO if i became bankrupt and sold my children, do you think anyone would call that justified? That is a very silly argument to raise. And you have NO PROOF he would have freed his slaves. And WOULD HAVE when he COULD HAVE doesn't mean anything.

[@Think1stMedia]

@@batoula1022 Prove it! Since you are sooooo smart, where is your proof he freed any of,his slaves???? Asshole! Since you want to call me names. I didn't call you names, Jack Ass. The only stupid person here is you because you are not mature enough to disagree with someone without acting like as ass

[@JB-uv4hm]

@@batoula1022 excuses. Geo W freed his enslaved persons.

[@leobigelow7021]

If you knew anything at all, like, even a little, about history, you'd know that Sally Hemmings was free when she traveled with Jefferson to France. She was free. She negotiated a deal to return to Virginia as a slave. She didn't have to. Harmonize that with your hatred.

[@charlieee625]

Had a jump scare when he mentioned Ted Cruz and Samuel Alito.

[@drstevenbrule]

I think they'd call Jefferson a far left radical today

[@koodaB123]

I was surprised to hear that John Quincy Adam's was racist also, I was drinking the Amistad kool aid

[@Publius_Americanus]

JQ Adams, much like his father, was the furthest thing from a racist. Completely unsubstantiated claim made by AGR.

[@euphegenia]

@@Publius_Americanusthere’s a passage in AGR’s book that would suggest otherwise.

[@bunnybird9342]

Tbh I feel like virtually all of the white people were racist back then

[@bunnybird9342]

@@euphegenia tbh I feel like virtually all of the white people were racist to some degree lmao

[@folppki2256]

Very good vijeo

[@charliebruner8243]

The amount of assumptions is astounding in this conversation.

[@JB-uv4hm]

New to historiography.

[@Chatty_Cats]

Jefferson passed laws prohibiting slavery, his slaves were family, he educated them, they had jobs like by today's standards, he saved them from brutal slave traders. and further advocated against slavery. I'm the great granddaughter of Thomas Jefferson I, who is the Grandfather of President Jefferson. Jefferson I owned all of the lands that were inherited. From what I've read on the DNA results are that it proved they are Jeffersons, but it did not prove it was President Jefferson's line, it could be his Brother. Martha Jefferson Goode and Colonel Bennett Goode are my Grandparents. We welcome all cousins in this lineage and so glad that we have them all.

[@JB-uv4hm]

Hey and he had the boys in the nail factory whipped to increase production. But of course that was edited out of 1954 farm book all the scholars used. And he was actively engaged in slave reproduction for sale south. Hey if you read Dumas he was a saint. In the end he didn’t free his enslaved persons. The gap between TJ’s ideals and his actual life is the Grand Canyon of hypocrisy. When Sally conceived, where was TJ? It’s that simple and all in the farm book.

[@Think1stMedia]

BS Jefferson never advocated against Slavery. Nowhere in history does it say that. NOWHERE. You are lying to protect your family. Alexander Hamilton advocated against slavery but not Jefferson. Second Jefferson's brother being the ancestors that was related to Black People, that was DEBUNKED BACK IN THE 80s. The writers of the Day WROTE that Jefferson had Black Kids /Slave Kids working for him that looked like him. His enemies wrote about that and the Black Woman he took on trips with him and they slept in the same bedroom. It was document many many times. And that Brother you spoke of, he had an issue with Jefferson having a Black Mistress. And he also did not live with Jefferson and had no access to Hemmings. When Black People came forward about being related to Jefferson, I. The 1980s they created the ROTHER NARRATIVE. But at the time Jefferson was living and immediately after his death, NO ONE SAID ANYTHING ABOUT HIS BROTHER FATHERING BLACK CHILDREN. This was REVISIONIST HISTORY because Biogots did not want to admit that there Hero had Black Children.

[@stanleycross6000]

"Could" is an interesting point here. "Could be? Did Jefferson take his brother to France?

[@bunnybird9342]

@@stanleycross6000 yeah exactly. I don't hate Thomas Jefferson but I don't get why it's so difficult for these people to accept. For example, why was the father of Sally Hemings's children not recorded in the Farm Book? And why did she always give birth exactly nine months after Thomas Jefferson visited Monticello?

[@IrishHolocaust2024]

What free person was ever allowed to be happy.