Controlling and fighting EV car fires with the Fire Isolator concept - live demonstration March 2022

After almost two years of intensive research, design, and testing, we demonstrated the Fire⚡Isolator concept last week.
This time in front of an audience of Ferry owners, safety directors of both maritime and onshore sectors, port authorities, government, professional firefighting teams, and dealers/distributors, all steps of the concept were successfully completed.
Where an EV car fire causes hecticness and fear, the Fire⚡Isolator concept (using a high-temperature resistant fire blanket, potassium aerosol units, and water mist) ensures control and overview. With this, we offer a proven and tested process that fits seamlessly into your EV car fire strategy.
Please visit fireisolator.com for the operation and components of the concept, to download documentation, and for an overview of all Fire⚡Isolator dealers.
Visit fireisolator.com for more information, quote requests and to find your nearest dealer.
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[@cliffords2315]

Thank GOd ill never have to worry about that happening to my car, been driving Safe Gas cars for 50 years

[@cvetters1]

"safe gas?" You mean the same gas that fuels over 170,000 car fires every year in the US alone? The same as cause massive gas tanker fires and explosions every year? EVs, per capita, are over 100 times LESS likely to catch fire than gasoline cars. There are over 35 current recalls for gas powered cars for spontaneously burning down. But you're scared of a rare EV fire? smh.

[@ronverstegen4103]

A very simple but supereffective way fo fight E-vehicles fire with use of the right equipment and Training.

[@transitkidjasonproductions]

this video is posted last march am i right or not

[@mattc.310]

Interesting. Unless you submerge the battery in water it will burn until it's exhausted its' potential. This is a good way to limit collateral damage if you can get to it soon enough. One would need a pretty quick response and deployment.

[@rsinclair689]

Best response it to let it burn out.

[@duncancremin1708]

Even submerged in water, it will burn until exhausted. All the water does is prevent adjacent materials from catching fire. I’m a bit surprised the aerosol didn’t seem to do the trick, and they still had to dump the burning vehicle into a container of water, at the end. The fire blanket and water mist seems to be the best bet. Do all you need is a trained fire crew, a fire blanket and a huge reservoir of water to provide the mist, in every premises where there are likely to be EVs. Oh, and on every street corner, where there might be an accumulation of EV traffic. That’s the answer. Problem solved!

[@ianturpin9180]

And then it's taken to a scrapyard. 2 weeks later it bursts into flames again.

[@shawncell1247]

then take the batteries out and run them pflat no power no fire

[@bernardlee2717]

Yes, the fire doesn't seem to have been extinguished. The ferocity was reduced for a time. It's amazing how the precautionary approach applied to other hazards is being totally ignored for EVs. Somehow, their perceived virtues lead governments and regulators to overlook the dangers. There are over 250 million cars in Europe, 280 million in the US and 1.5 billion worldwide. The scale of this enormous hazard and risk to life and property must be addressed.

[@cvetters1]

@@bernardlee2717 Considering that there are over 170,000 car fires in the US from gasoline cars, many gas station and gas tanker explosions, and 35 current recalls for gas powered cars for spontaneously bursting into flame, the extreme rarity of EV fires per capita means that EVs are NOT the enormous hazard that gasoline cars are.

[@sigsputnik1]

So, the only way of actually putting out the fire is submerging the car in water?

[@t-issbv4226]

Yes, based on our live tests, that is the only way to really put out the fire in the battery.

[@robertwilber1909]

nope.. it burns out

[@GeneralKato]

It contains the fire but it must first exhaust the “fuel”. Water is just a shield.

[@SanderSA-ny3lh]

There's several methods. There's a specialised water injector into the battery pioneered by an Austrian firm. There's nebula-creating firefighting of course, those are used with endothermic reactions for decades. (the Abrams tank uses Halon extinguishers due to the presence of self-combustion ammunition for example) And there's solid material fire insulators as well. (typically in the form of grains) Those should fulfill the same function as a dunk tank with a bit of water. The dunk tank only has 30-40 cm of water in it by the way. You don't need to submerge the car, just most of the battery to prevent any chance of a runaway endothermic reaction that eventually builds enough heat to (re-)ignite the vehicle.

[@mhead81]

cover with blanket to keep it warm and comfy, while taking last breath

[@stoveguy2133]

Do it in a ferry storage area with 75 cars next to burning ev?

[@t-issbv4226]

Exactly, that is the point of our concept. Do that, do it as soon as possible, and try to prevent the fire from the EV from spreading to all those other cars.

[@carlose6010]

Yep, then dock and allow the other vehicles to unload.

[@RA-zw6hp]

Yes,, I would like to know the effect it will have on the steel deck it sits on, and how to deal with the amount of smoke in an enclosed area, like a ferry. Will one of these burn through the deck? Does a water lance have detrimental effect when used with the blanket? We have the blankets, but so many questions that need a definitive answer.

[@nightdipper5178]

It will burn completely. When the battery is in thermal runaway the chemical reaction produces oxygen and heat. It is that simple. Water and the blanket will reduce the temp and collateral damage but will not extinguish the fire.

[@alancummings4304]

Kinda like Thermite ?

[@nightdipper5178]

@@alancummings4304 Thermite burns hotter. Magnesium is another flammable metal that can't be put out with water.

[@t-issbv4226]

You are exactly right. Our concept is meant to win time and reduce collateral damages.

[@cvetters1]

If you leave it on enough, it reduces the temps to below the re-ignition point. Looks like it's about 15 hours with the blanket left on, or 4 hours and hit it with a blast of water (less water than if putting out a fire in a gasoline car). The temps then are low enough that there is no re-ignition. kzbin.info/www/bejne/m3m3fIeGqat3gpo

[@nightdipper5178]

@@cvetters1 Its 100% safe and effective, as long as you depend on youtube videos for your knowledge. Thanks for the laugh! When in thermal run away the reaction produces both oxygen and heat. Water and blankets are used to reduce collateral damage, nothing more, just ask the fire dept.

[@riverwolf695]

Seems like a very challenging problem. Maybe adding silicon to cover up the pack, but that might just cause silicone fire, but that can be put out with water. It’s a hard problem we need to solve for the future

[@TheHubertusderhund]

Fine solution. Cover it up and through the thing in a water tank. You just need enough tanks along the highways - filled with water - of course.

[@quevicular]

if this happened on a ferry close to the back or front, id ram the fuckin thing and push it off.

[@secondchance6603]

Good luck trying it with a bus.

[@SanderSA-ny3lh]

@@quevicular China's pioneering an electrical river ship that has the battery stack on the back. Both for loading ease and because in case of fire you can simply eject the (TEU container-sized) batteries into the water. Pretty smart too. So many ship fires have gone deadly because of fuel and other flammables. Being able to safely eject the 'fuel' instantly should've been a feature ages ago.

[@quevicular]

@@SanderSA-ny3lh so now, do you think that is a good idea when that incorporates dumping toxic waste into the ocean as an excuse?

[@clairepetitboulanger1328]

I am working at RENAULT where I am in charge of the safety of firefighters and rescuers when they intervent on our vehicles. I would like to say here that THE ONLY WAY to extinguish quickly and definitively a li ion battery on fire is to put water INSIDE . Trust me : we have made many fire tests on our EV and we know perfectly how their HV battery reacts. It is for this reason that we have invented the FIREMAN ACCESS , a specific device made for firefighters to allow them to put safety water inside the battery when on fire . And they can extinguish it definitively in 10 minutes . This Fireman Access is indicated in the rescue sheets of our EV and PHEV. For this reason, RENAULT does not accept the use of EV of the brand to show external devices to extinguish it , because we have already developed the appropriate response , and we know that external devices do not work .

[@Valk021]

Why not install a canister that freezes the batteries when activated in an emergency situation?

[@JPVerheuvel]

The Fire Isolator concept that is demonstrated here does not promise to extinguish the fire in the lithium battery. It is meant to minimize the collateral damage and prevent the fire from spreading. On board a ferry, car carrier or in a carpark, people do not have the tools you describe from Renault. They need to act very quickly to minimize the spread of the fire. Your tools and this concept in this video should work together, it is not one or the other.

[@JetFire9]

This guy is obviously selling something.

[@jacobheinz8236]

Why don’t Renault make this known worldwide so that firefighters can operate smarter rather than using the same old fire fighting techniques as cave men use to do, splashing water copiously at a fire? Are Renault cars exported worldwide?

[@MFG333]

I have a fire isolator. It's called an internal combustion engine.

[@cvetters1]

You mean the kind that runs on burning explosions of a volatile fuel, and causes over 170,000 car fires every year in the US? The kind that explodes even when being transported? kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnq1o594oLOpZrM kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXWld4mYZ8Zqg9E kzbin.info/www/bejne/pnXEqWyLhrGejpI

[@georgepaust8416]

These new EV cars scare the hell out of me. They remind me of the exploding pinto. Only it required a rear impact to cause an explosion and fire. With these new EV cars, the only thing required for one to catch on fire is to own it.

[@pablocruise9514]

EVs are FVs - Flaming Vehicles. The EV will kill the EV

[@cvetters1]

*sigh* Insurance companies and the NHTSA have found that, compared to gas cars, EVs are 60 times LESS likely to catch fire per 100,000 sold (not as a percentage of total cars, but on a per capita basis) making fear of EVs really overblown vs gas cars, of which over 170,000 catch fire every year in the US alone, and there are 30+ recalls for gas powered cars and light trucks for spontaneous fires and that have "park outside" orders. So if you're scared of an EV, be REALLY scared of the rolling bomb you're already driving, that is powered by a highly flammable liquid, with hundreds of potential points of ignition.

[@transitkidjasonproductions]

What year is the Renault fluence ze

[@bobpartridge472]

Why would you attempt to treat an electrical fire with water? Or any car fire with water rather than foam??

[@murraytalks]

Does the aerosol unit extinguish the fire or just control it? Fire seems to still be going at the end

[@t-issbv4226]

Sorry for our late reply. It kicks down the flames but we did not manage to 100% completely extinguish the burning lithium battery. We got the fire down from around 800 degrees Celsius to around 250 degrees Celsius using the aerosols. Any normal car fire, the aerosols can kill with ease. The lithium battery however, it very challenging to extinguish.

[@minikruse93]

This already exist in Norway, Sweden and many other countries.. What makes this better? Other makes like Bridgehill has existed and made theese since 2017...

[@JPVerheuvel]

From how I see it, this Fire Isolator is a concept that goes beyond ‘just’ a blanket. This Fire Isolator concept provides a strategy that I could see fit in better than products that provide just a single tactic and sometimes also ‘overpromise’ that it can stop the fire altogether. Fire Isolator is a concept, based on best practices. This is also what the upcoming framework of rules and regulations will demand: a concept/strategy, more than just one product.

[@t-issbv4226]

The problem with those companies is that they claim that a blanket alone can kill the fire, this is not true and has been proven many times by now. Smothering a fire by taking away the oxygene works on regular cars, but not on lithium battery in thermal runaway. This is the reason of the success of our concept: it is a proven method to control the fire (blanket), cool the car (water mist) and lower the temperature by kicking down the flames (aerosol units).

[@guysumpthin2974]

It would be SMARTER to make a non-flammable electrolyte for the batteries

[@JetFire9]

Lol

[@quevicular]

thats too easy. They want to keep africa and other parts of the world in poverty and human traffick the fawk out of those poor people by mining this crap lithium.

[@cvetters1]

Well, we haven't made a non flammable fuel for ICE cars yet. But we DO have new Lithium Iron Phosphate batteries that have no risk of fire... Many new EVs use them already. And since EVs are about 60 times less likely to catch fire and burn down that gas cars per capita, it's already not something to really worry about.

[@pablocruise9514]

So should EVs tow a dumpster full of water just in case?

[@carlose6010]

And ICE vehicles tow a firetruck? They can get out of control too.

[@5Dale65]

I think there is a better solution. Just stick with using regular combustion engines.

[@cvetters1]

*sigh* Insurance companies and the NHTSA have found that, compared to gas cars, EVs are 60 times LESS likely to catch fire per 100,000 sold (not as a percentage of total cars, but on a per capita basis) making fear of EVs really overblown vs gas cars, of which over 170,000 catch fire every year in the US alone, and there are 30+ recalls for gas powered cars and light trucks for spontaneous fires and that have "park outside" orders. So if you're scared of an EV, be REALLY scared of the rolling bomb you're already driving, that is powered by a highly flammable liquid, with hundreds of potential points of ignition.

[@stefan2796]

An EV is not a car, it's a mobile crematorium...

[@cvetters1]

*sigh* Insurance companies and the NHTSA have found that, compared to gas cars, EVs are 60 times LESS likely to catch fire per 100,000 sold (not as a percentage of total cars, but on a per capita basis) making fear of EVs really overblown vs gas cars, of which over 170,000 catch fire every year in the US alone, and there are 30+ recalls for gas powered cars and light trucks for spontaneous fires and that have "park outside" orders. So if you're scared of an EV, be REALLY scared of the rolling bomb you're already driving, that is powered by a highly flammable liquid, with hundreds of potential points of ignition.

[@paulockenden4278]

Just dont buy one, thats the best way to avoid an EV car fire

[@SanderSA-ny3lh]

ICE cars catch fire about 3x more often than EVs do.

[@cvetters1]

*sigh* Insurance companies and the NHTSA have found that, compared to gas cars, EVs are 60 times LESS likely to catch fire per 100,000 sold (not as a percentage of total cars, but on a per capita basis) making fear of EVs really overblown vs gas cars, of which over 170,000 catch fire every year in the US alone, and there are 30+ recalls for gas powered cars and light trucks for spontaneous fires and that have "park outside" orders. So if you're scared of an EV, be REALLY scared of the rolling bomb you're already driving, that is powered by a highly flammable liquid, with hundreds of potential points of ignition.

[@andyblank2139]

AVD Fire in the UK have a very similar product that looks to be far better than this one.

[@t-issbv4226]

We disagree. A blanket alone will never extinghuish a lithium battery fire. That is why this is a concept and not just a blanket. There are too many companies claiming a blanket alone will kill the fire in the lithium battery. This is not true. A blanket alone serves to minimize the collateral damage, and in our concept, to provide a confined space for the aerosol units to go to work directly in the flames.

[@androidemulator6952]

Just in time for the Fremantle Car Ferry disaster .... :( :(

[@ace-tv4hi]

Who is mad enough to buy one of these Cremation EV Vehicles?

[@SanderSA-ny3lh]

Who is mad enough to blindly believe and worship Tucker Carlson and speak of nonsense like 'cremation EV'?

[@bill3641]

EV's are "Green" , except for ............................

[@piggy310]

Where's the environmentalists when you really need them answer: nowhere

[@secondchance6603]

They're flying overseas for another highly paid planet saving conference... again.

[@halfordslain7477]

Just don't build leccy cars. I'm a genius.

[@robertk.9591]

How about we don't even make EV's until battery technology is MUCH better!