Controversial Thoughts: Do plants really contain toxic chemicals?

[@lawdogwales5921]

People just can't believe that vegetables are toxic. But I remember learning in biology class that plants have all kinds of chemical defense systems because they can't run away or fight with teeth or claws. Thank you for connecting that basic biological fact with dietary guidelines. That is brilliant!

[@drcrispyjohnson2242]

People don't believe in thorns even when they get stung.

[@dubson965]

he isn't the one to connect the dots, he just takes the credit.

[@lawdogwales5921]

@@dubson965 Who gets the credit?

[@daveyineluctable5525]

right, but is it not possible that a) we've cultivated and selected plants based on needs (calories, nutrients, etc.) b) that parts of them would "want" to be eaten like how berries, fruits, and flowers evolve to be colorful and nourishing (to us, and bees for instance) i'm not saying that these may not be problems, evolution does not always "make things easier/better" at zero cost, for instance human babies are now born with skulls too large for the birth canal which, before modern medicine, puts the mother at significant mortality risk, but at the "benefit" of a more fully developed organism (a.k.a. the baby gestates for 9 months in the womb, and then "gestates", really, for another 3-6 years, unlike say an antelope, or deer, which is running in less than A FEW HOURS after being born) The problem I have is in the language can feel misleading, a human baby in the womb essentially goes to war, at the cellular and biological level, with the mother, and vice versa. From the bacteria to defending nutrients, vitamins, calories, BLOOD, bacteria, etc. Obviously no one would say that a woman and her baby are "at war" with eachother (at the macro level), but at the biological level they absolutely are. I do appreciated Saladino and hope he continues to present, but I'm not a cult member, I appreciate Saladino a lot and will continue hear from him in the future, but granular, micro studies can be incredibly misleading as these dynamics don't always move up into higher orders of complex systems. It would be proposterous to think that plants DON'T defend themselves, but does that carry over into the complex system of human biology? Also, clearly, there will always be exceptions, even if there are MILLIONS of exceptions, there are BILLIONS of people, so it can still be less than 1% of the population (like the trans population is ~1%) but the exception does not prove the rule.

[@sgtfuzzybootz951]

@@daveyineluctable5525 why did the language of a 'single' research paper trigger you so hard ? Apart from stating the name of the paper he's referring to, at no time did he say or even infer the concept of 'warfare' in this discussion.

[@Aliciaskinsecret]

Sometimes people can become very closed minded. I’m so glad I’m open to listening and maybe changing my mind if necessary. Stopped eating all those plants months ago and it made a huge improvement in my health, my husband health and son who’s 19.

[@JYAN2852]

Glyphosate also winds up in grain fed animals. Quality matters. Organic, pasture raised, grass fed, grass finished, wild caught whenever possible.

[@ecarlson4987]

In reality, the presence of glyphosate in animals is much lower than other pesticides used presently or in the past. Compared to the other herbicides, glyphosate is relatively benign. IARC’s determination is garbage just like them saying bacon and red meat are human carcinogens. Nothing is without harm, including water.

[@JYAN2852]

@@ecarlson4987 While I don't disagree with your statement, there is emerging evidence that it may. Other pesticides/herbicides lack the attention that glyphosate does unfortunately. I agree with the pollutants in water. It's the dose that makes the poison as with everthing. It's the bio-accumulation over a long period of time that makes it toxic. Even the cleanest pufa, fructose, protein, salt, even water consumed in excess can have bad outcomes over a long period of time.

[@CarisaWalcott]

So glad to have found a local farmer who doesn't feed their animals soy, grain or corn! The eggs, meat and dairy are amazing!

[@TomHenksYT]

What I'll never understand is how some radical vegans can argue that plant-based is not only healthier but also "easier" than animal-based. I recently read an article that was very vegan-motivated and discussed the potential health detriments of raw milk. In it, they correctly listed all of the nutrients that raw milk contains, so far so good. But then they also said that these are only in such small quantities that, if you wanted the same amount of vitamin A as a glass of raw milk has, you only need to eat X amount of carrots. And if you want the same amount of iron, you only need X amount of spinach. And for vitamin C, only X amount of oranges, etc. It went on like that. And then I just thought well, who in their right mind would go and buy something like 17 different fruits and vegetables, then weigh them and portion them in very specific quantities rather than having a simple glass of raw milk? Isn't it much easier and cheaper to just get some raw milk? Never mind the toxins of all those vegetables vs. the digestive enzymes in the raw milk, but just for convenience alone I think the raw milk wins by a mile.

[@crisbowman]

That and it takes three molecules of plant Vit A to make a usable animal Version of Vit A. It's way less efficient.

[@brockwagner939]

You said it when you called them radical vegans....... They believe that milking cows is cruel, that's why they think eating 17 vegetables to make up the difference is acceptable. I'm not here to debate dairy. I would like to see money put into research towards making meat production on a large scale more like a family farm, where cows graze for the majority of their life rather than stand on concrete and have grain brought to them.

[@TomHenksYT]

Yeah, and to be clear I'm Carnivore-ish, I have a little bit of fruit here and there but for the most part I eat meat, eggs and dairy. I just used raw milk as an example, but you could say the same about meat or eggs or fish. And by the way, I have nothing against vegans per se, everyone should do what they think is right for them as long as they don't try to force others to do the same against their will. Those are the radical ones I mean, the ones that try hard to convince everyone that their own life choices are ideal for everyone while completely defying logic and science. The others that just quietly do their thing, I don't mind those.

[@brockwagner939]

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[@mjdailamy4550]

For the same reason, I, a carnivore don't understand the science behind it. It all sounds Greek.

[@pragavirtual]

Been omnivores doesnt mean we can eat all plants, like tabaco plants aint good, been carnivorous also doesnt mean we can drink snake venom juice just because it "comes from animal kingdom". Good insight.

[@XXXmar123]

I just come back to the saying, which humans often abuse; "Just because we can, doesn't mean we should"

[@Wavesurfa]

Tobacco is definitely for smoking, not eating

[@aklifestyle3299]

I have Hashimoto’s. I eat about a 95% carnivorous and animal organ based diet with some dates and avocados. My endocrinologist has told me for the past few years to “keep doing whatever i’m doing” as my thyroid nodules have noticeably decreased in size year by year. There is no reason for me to believe that i need any plants in my diet. Quite the contrary. The dates and avocados are even kind of cheats for me lol.

[@PlainJane1421]

Did your doctor ask you what was that you were doing to improve your condition? You would think that he would write down every thing that you were eating in order to help other patients. I improved my bone density without the harmful drugs, but my doctor just told me the same thing… “Keep doing what you’re doing, “but she never asked what I was doing! The big question is…WHY.?

[@3rett115]

@@PlainJane1421 Doctors simply don't care. Mine basically didn't want to be bothered by me. They couldn't figure 'it' out and I was told in the end that I would have to learn to live with it. Switched to carnivore and was almost instantly healed. Doctor says the same thing, but couldn't care less about what I did. I think, because they don't want to know the truth is something completely different than what their 6-12 year, 250k education pounded into their dumb heads.

[@wagnerlopes5360]

Always a great talk and reflection! I used to love crude salads and ate a lot but it was making me headaches, fatigue and brain fog...today I am 70% carnivore, 25% fruits and 5% leaf greens and others...way much better! thank you! And thanks Carnivore Code!

[@deiterbeater6757]

I can't wait to be a part of the movement to eliminate toxic vegetables in the diets of our loved ones in order to heal their chronic inflammatory diseases

[@DJSEEN-SMOKESUMTHINREC]

And what do you use to reduce inflammatory? Curcumin and black pepper extract which he says is bad for you. So the things your avoiding are actually the very thing that will help

[@callumtaggart9392]

@@DJSEEN-SMOKESUMTHINREC theyre talking about excluding the inflamatory food... not trying to combat the inflamation with something else.

[@foxywhitetip7387]

Yes SEEN they are full of oxalates

[@Dan-cu3sf]

Several members on my mom's side of the family have died of heart attacks. Despite this, I've insisted many times that I will never develop heart disease because I exercise often and eat a nearly zero carb carnivore diet. They still try to tell me though that I can't outrun my genetics. Genetics are a loaded gun my friend, you decide whether or not to pull the trigger

[@gabrieltorres5732]

They say “genetics” because that’s what their doctor told them, which was also incorrect, if correct that means your grandparents, great grandparents,, great great grandparents, and great great great grandparents also died of heart attacks which is highly unlikely due to heart attacks being a modern disease caused by modern foods.

[@johnkane9472]

👍For sure, if you let yourself go you would tend towards similar disease paths as your family members. I totally agree that if you keep your metabolic heath you won't have genetic tendencies happen to you. You may go that way in the end because extreme old age comes with metabolic break down regardless of diet.

[@dexterlacroy4132]

Doing things drastically different than what they all did lkely sets the odds in your favour. They just never knew better thus the "genetics" explanation

[@DJSEEN-SMOKESUMTHINREC]

Do your homework , heart disease is cause by too much meat

[@javanford1641]

Drs dont get taught nutrition at all, Also there are zero Board certified nutritionists in the world because there's just no board of nutrition to be certified from. Makes you wonder if we put a tad more money into honest,transparent, repeatable scientific research at what Humans are supposed to eat to be supreme healthy happy humans, surley that would make more sense than just selling junk food and when your sick throwing another pill at it? Surley we have the technology

[@Sabastianspreadworth]

I like Dr Saladino I wish I could afford to buy his supplements or even buy grass finished beef but without all that I've turned around my type 2 diabetes and am doing well.

[@itsagoodday2165]

If u r in USA, look for Aldi. If i am not mistaken, they have that there.

[@Sabastianspreadworth]

@@itsagoodday2165 I am in the UK we have Aldi here too but they don't sell grass finished beef and their beef is the cheapest around so I basically live off of Aldi meats.

[@erick101ish]

I found out that the middle ground is usually the best one balance is the key. Too much meat will mess you up too much vegetables will mess you up. Balance is key

[@foxyauragems6146]

I’ve found the same thing

[@goosegirl941]

This is probably my favorite subject when it comes to carnivore!

[@leigh7802]

I am eagerly looking forward to your non-profit program and hopefully the long awaited research comparing consuming plants vs meat!! I so appreciate all you do and share so passionately. Leaving my plant based way of eating for carnivore has drastically improved my health. Stay radical Paul, I am rooting for you and your continued research. ✌

[@4angayoga]

When should I eat fruit? Does it effect the meat (protein/fat) digestion and absorption? Thx

[@godchosen5954]

Hello from Santa Rosa CA. And thank you for sharing your expertise. Love you Paul ❤️🙏

[@ethanwright8031]

Windsor ca!

[@godchosen5954]

@@ethanwright8031cool 😎 we are neighbors!

[@debbiewestphal4291]

My entire life I have naturally moved my diet towards Carnivore. Then I would get talked out of it. Then thank goodness I always found my way back. Never felt as good as when I was following animal proteins very little vegetables if any. Thank you for your wonderful talk and research , love your book too😁👍

[@granaro8236]

The other question is, how toxic are fermented vegetables, generally speaking? Because I can see I am stronger when I eat sauerkrauts, compared to fruit. It could be a matter of sugar, or a matter of enzymatic power and higher nutrition, but fruits are not so great. And I seem to perform better with some vegetable food.

[@TerriblePerfection]

I sometimes crave Sauerkraut. There's only one store near me that sells the unpasteurized kind, even though I live in Germany!

[@granaro8236]

@@TerriblePerfection I just make my own. That way I can use about 30 different vegetables and fruits.

[@TerriblePerfection]

@@granaro8236 I should try that. It's not like I don't have the time! 🙄

[@PacificBlue51]

Super informative vid. Thanks for that. I was on veg diet for many years, and had a major sweet tooth as well. Had Cancer in 2016, and drank tons of tumeric tea and juiced massive amounts of greens daily. All that I can say is that I was left with oxalates thru out my body. I've been on low-ox diet now, and am including hi quality meat and the organ supps as well. The result is a huge shift in energy and clearing the oxalate takes time. But it is worth the work, and the bonus is better digestion and more energy too. I wish I had known all this years ago.

[@Nancysoulshine]

Did the oxilates give you kidney stones? I'm coming from a vegan diet (which gave me kidney stones) to a carnivore/ketivore diet. Just wondering how your getting rid of the oxilates, and will it help with kidney stones.

[@PacificBlue51]

@@Nancysoulshine Yes they did give me many stones in the urinary tract, and not so many in the kidneys. A great resource is Sally Norton. Check out her website for lots of helpful info. There are some vids on youtube with her also. good luck.

[@felipe8511]

when i eat pepper with tumeric and sometimes cumin, i feel a very strong pinching pain on the right side of my abs right were the gallbladder, i have experimented with it several times and it happens 100% of the time when i eat those paired

[@pragavirtual]

Same here, also feel some stiffness in the kidney location when i consume ginger.

[@maximus_burrell]

Turmeric is a cholagogues which means its stimulates the release of bile from the gallbladder. I have gallstones, and I'm a 23 year old male. Eating a high fat diet helps, and I've found the carnivore diet to help melt my stones when I incoporate high fat. Hope this helps, send me a message if you have any questions.

[@foxywhitetip7387]

High oxalates

[@fremtilfortiden]

Awesome news about the Non-profit organization to fund studies on animal-based diets, especially a diet high in organ meats.

[@Scorpeva]

I’m not afraid of fruit, but I like the way I function in ketosis. Will the fruit get me out?

[@ClassicJukeboxBand]

First of all, we need to define toxicity. What is it? What makes a chemical or nutrient toxic? The dose? The chemicals in it? If you define toxicity as something that will make you sick or kill you if you get too much, then water would be considered toxic. So would salt. I need to understand what toxicity is defined as to make a judgement about it... Toxicity may be defined as and excess dose of something, or it could possibly just be defined as something bad for you. I don't know which.

[@cmo5807]

You do not die from the water itself..... you die because of the lack of sodium in you body from all of the water flushing it out. People are so uhh no offence dumb these days. It took me less than 3 minutes to look that up. So water itself is not what is toxic. Now should I go look up the definition of toxic and explain that to you also? Maybe your eating to many plants and its making your brain retarded.

[@nousquest]

The presence of something negative in something that is not necessary to consume

[@foxywhitetip7387]

Book Toxic Superfoods by Sally k Norton

[@Aspec7s]

what about salicylates/phenols in fruits?

[@AmyPetrich]

Can you post the graphic that you showed in this video? I couldn't get a clear image from the video.

[@jksinorbit]

Its quite possible that we are in the middle of an evolutionary step. Some of us like myself are not good with the oxalates and lectins in veggies but others obviously are thriving on vegan and vegetarian diets. This is logical after many thousands of years of farming, there will be adaptations even over a relatively short period of evolutionary time.

[@oneshot3216]

I think he needs to talk about fiber more. I think too much fiber irritates the gut lining and feeds bad bacteria. Particularly the phytic acid is also labeled an antinutrient because humans lack the phytase enzyme needed to break it down. As it passes through the gut, phytic acid binds to minerals like iron, zinc, and calcium so they are not well-absorbed in the intestine.

[@PreciousBuddha]

Great summary of a lot of previously explored topics presented clearly and concisely! On point in this one Paul!

[@josephpower8937]

In layman's . A sead can pass straight through the body and exit. Without any harm to the pod . But the damage it leaves behind is extreme.

[@marcotalarico2300]

Doc Saladino : My daughter has " POTS " would the carnivore diet eliminate the complications? Thank you!

[@undisputed6034]

He would tell you, just try it for a month at least

[@marcotalarico2300]

@@RedErin We have already , she has increased her salt intake. I want to find out the true cause and cure it for her.

[@CarisaWalcott]

Shared in my FB group Ancestral Keto Living, thanks!

[@TheHartley1776]

You’ve answered this question 10,000 times. People! You either agree or disagree, but Let’s move on.

[@DJSEEN-SMOKESUMTHINREC]

I think an even more concerning problem is lack of balanced diet , eating nothing but factory farmed meat is a death sentence

[@monikalybacka3914]

The tru is that people can do well eating or low fat high carb (only whole plants food, not processed food), or high fat low carb. Both models of eating are ok. You decide what is right for you...

[@NoName-xo9sk]

I would like to know how you feel about fermented vegetables? I love green olives.

[@anyagolikova]

Olives are fruits

[@NoName-xo9sk]

Really??? Then I'm golden!😁

[@Karll541]

@@anyagolikova so are fruits not toxic (like plants are) but just considered sugar?

[@anyagolikova]

@@Karll541 olives are mostly fat as well as avocado. As for sugary fruits, fructose is pro inflammatory, so I personally don’t eat sweet fruits

[@Karll541]

@@anyagolikova I see, makes sense

[@maranscandy9350]

The possible reason so many combinations of plant substances seem to stimulate stem cell proliferation could turn out to be the body anticipating the need for repair after sensing their presence?

[@АндрейЕрмилов-х8п]

I cant get it fully what about vitamin c? Are fruits/honey consists it enough ? Are fructose impede absorption of it?

[@thomasalderson368]

Between lectins and oxalate there's not much left... Even fruit

[@Ian-io3yt]

There's plenty left, what are you talking about

[@ryanleemartin7758]

I think this is an interesting idea. It's compelling. The short term benefits of "animal based" are clear but I have a hard time squaring it with the fact that there is a mountain of data and evidence that people who eat mostly plants over long periods of time tend to live very long and healthy lives with little disease. How does that line up with "plants are trying to kill you"?

[@AlexRivera-ri2th]

Thank you, very helpful. I do center my meals on meat and very little vegetables. I feel better now than I felt years before. Thanks!

[@ilmostro16]

It’s probably true and I’m not arguing against any of this, but unfortunately civilization of billions is completely dependent upon cheap calories, mostly as grains. You can look to our history - the rise of larger communities and cities, leading to “civilization”, all started when we invented agriculture and growing grains at scale to more easily feed growing populations. Having said that, I felt great when I did carnivore for a few weeks and my gut was never happier. Small clean stools, no farts, no upset stomach, it was as if I didn’t have a gut. Pretty amazing. On the flip side, just for experimentation, I did try going Vegan once. I lasted about 3 days and it was the most miserable 3 days of eating, extremely painful stools, massive amounts of gas, upset stomach etc. I just couldn’t go any longer, I felt like death. Fiber was killing me.

[@foxyauragems6146]

True humans need to learn about birth control

[@isaquazi1939]

Paul, what do you think of eating blood? I don’t think it’s a good idea cuz blood is a vehicle to take infection, cancer cells from one place to another . I am not a good advocate of blood adding to our diet. Organs are fine but not blood.

[@nicholasstockyj9813]

How can I get that chart?

[@leigh7802]

I took a screenshot of it so I can blow it up to see it

[@gmo709]

I thought cruciferous vegetables have great benefits. If you cook them, does it reduce the toxins?

[@davidprossen849]

Dr. Paul: I've seen many articles by well educated people touting the benefits of sulforaphane so I have been ingesting broccoli with crushed brown mustard seed and also taking one tablet of Avmacol supplement daily. Please provide some more detail on your position on this element as being good or bad for the human body over a long period of time to allow me to re-access the use of this chemical. Thank you so much for all you do, and I am listening the second time to your book "Carnivore Code" this week. It's a great book which contains some of this sulforaphane discussion but I could use more.

[@arwenhardy1995]

Too complicated to b effective, IMO. Natural. Simple. Meat. Eggs. Animal fats. Salt. No-brainer.

[@nocturne3455]

I always had a hunch that black pepper wasn't good for you. I love it so much but just had to let it go...

[@Sarahizahhsum]

It never tasted good to me. I feel ya there.

[@arwenhardy1995]

Pepper adds manganese. I believe it's harmless, ala Dr. Robert Cywes.

[@marioescalante1276]

can someone elaborate more on the "cassava" food? I am doing animal diet and only carbs I eat aside from the fruits in the "low toxics" are yams, squash, sweet potato and Cassava(Yucca), Are Cassava bad according to his explanation? thanks

[@foxywhitetip7387]

Seeet potato is the highest oxalate food how is that non toxic it’s at the top of the list of Toxic superfoods book

[@lashajakeli]

Plants used to be the junk food during hunter-gatherer times.

[@maxmwegerano7400]

Yo comment makes just as much sense as your profile pic.

[@5irus]

@@maxmwegerano7400 what does this even mean...?

[@maxmwegerano7400]

@@5irus It meant what is written right there.

[@reyreyes6126]

How about the case of 'Strong Sistahs' who were carnivores but had health issues like missing their periods? They gave up their carnivore diets, and started eating veggies even high carbs, and getting better?

[@godchosen5954]

You need to talk to doctor Berg, he claims that you need 10 cups of veggies or Leafly green salad a day! To be healthy in a ketogenic diet. I'm more like a ketovore and follow you and doctor Ken berry.

[@TheCarnivoreSoprano]

At the end of the day no one can tell you what is right for you but you. You'll have to try a few things around to see what works. But what one that doesn't work for anyone is processed food

[@godchosen5954]

@@DPost-bx6jv so true!

[@godchosen5954]

@@TheCarnivoreSoprano I agree ☺️

[@my-yt-inputs2580]

I happened to catch a video basically trashing Berg where Dr Berry actually chimed in to support him. As Berry suggests....Berg has certainly helped a lot of people. I give him that. I do think he misses on some things however and I don't follow him as much as I did early in my Keto journey.

[@gabrieltorres5732]

Yeah dr Berg is cool, he has helped many get off the slow poison, which is like 75% of the battle. He also promotes low carb and even carnivore diets so he is not completely lost, you have to be able to listen to your body, which Dr Berg educates you on how.

[@SacrumImperiumRomanum517]

Question. If we are optimum carnivore why don’t we have teeth more like a dog, for example?

[@russellmehringer7627]

Tools and cooking. The rest of our digestive system is more similar to carnivores than herbivores

[@SacrumImperiumRomanum517]

@@russellmehringer7627 i'm not doubting this btw i was just wondering. What do you mean tools and cooking?

[@russellmehringer7627]

@@SacrumImperiumRomanum517 I mean humans have tools/weapons and cooking instead of sharp teeth.

[@SacrumImperiumRomanum517]

@@russellmehringer7627 oh right yeah i get it, that makes sense. Don't have to grab an Elk around the neck with our mouths etc.

[@russellmehringer7627]

@@SacrumImperiumRomanum517 you may find this video interesting! kzbin.info/www/bejne/mGKmZqqNbM2YhtU

[@CarnivoreDownSouth]

The sugar in fruit still sends me on a downward spiral! 🤦🏻‍♀️

[@calvinm3054]

Same.

[@calvinm3054]

I get fat on it too unfortunately… rapid fluffy baby fat gain

[@immune18]

yep. its the biggest disappointment ive come across in terms of science, how much paul saladino knows and how highly i rated him and then he started promoting honey and other fruits because it worked for him and he could tolerate them. He should have kept that completely quiet, considering 90%+ people watching his videos are heavily food addicted and eating any sugar at all will mess up their gut and make them crave other foods massively. damaging and disappointing

[@guitargeeknwa]

Fructose is how mammals fatten up for winter. It goes straight to the liver and becomes triglycerides.

[@johnkane9472]

Looking healthy Paul. You always do but with the facial hair it's harder to see right away. I'm too used to people with extra weight and inflammation using facial hair to hide their weight and health issues. A healthy jaw line is something that meat based people share and it's great to see yours.

[@maxmwegerano7400]

Big fella right here got a jaw fantasy obv.

[@johnkane9472]

@@maxmwegerano7400 You might be on to something... 🤣 I have seen fit people look bad due to inflammation in the face and neck due to poor diets and they think the look great. Flat stomach and a double chin. I'm like most people, I appreciate other healthy beautiful people, and have a light stomach for people that are unhealthy looking.

[@synthesyzd8426]

Man the price of meat is going up. And we adapted this much, might as well just evolve to save a buck.

[@synthesyzd8426]

@Nickolas Suarez just because it rhymes doesn't mean its right.

[@synthesyzd8426]

Well thats just great, oh hahaa...

[@ishwarijoygolding2789]

Thank you so much Doc!! Layin down the truth!!!

[@malcolmlewis834]

I wonder if these toxic chemicals increase after harvest ? A point I would like to make about grass is that it depends on animal grazing for it to proliferate, it is a symbiotic relationship and therefore I think it is not likely that it is so defensive and therefore this could be a reason for eating grass fed animals.

[@Witchy_carnivore]

Loving the hair! I’m bleaching mine as well lol 😄 Thanks for this info! And I couldn’t figure out the fruit paradox UNTIL you fabulously explained it! I am not eating fruit right now but may add some here and there when seasonal fruits grow.

[@yf66589]

Just commenting for the algorithm. Keep up the great work Paul.

[@CUBEOFSIX]

Humans are optimal carnivores, we are not optimal as omnivores.

[@Stockbrot_]

I agree that humans have always been primarily carnivorous but we also ate small amounts of fruits and honey. Other vegetables were fallback food. This is also what we can see from the few moden hunter-gatherers that are left like the Hadza. Fatty meat, organs, honey and fruit.

[@leniobarcelos1770]

@@Stockbrot_ Yeah, I think meat is really good as a base. But I don't know about cutting out all plant foods entirely. I still like to combine the carnivore and vegan diets. lol

[@Ian-io3yt]

If we are optimal carnivores then why are there so many deficiencies on a carnivore diet? Magnesium, calcium, Vitamin A, Vitamin C, Vitamin D

[@Stockbrot_]

@@Ian-io3yt There aren't any if you eat organs, which you should.

[@Ian-io3yt]

@@Stockbrot_ I'm not so sure about "aren't any". The gap in nutrient needs would definitely at least be shortened quite a bit though eating organs. The problem is, many people don't like them and there are plenty of carnivores out there advocating for only eating muscle meat which is an incredibly stupid, risky diet

[@Sarahizahhsum]

I went carnivore and could not digest all the food and keep up with my calorie needs. How do I accommodate this? I am very skinny.

[@jac1797]

It takes weeks for your body to start to digest the way it was meant to. I've been on Carnivore for 9 months and I am still detoxing from the crap I ate before

[@olemontoya]

I’m also naturally thin…I’ve had to use a food app to ensure I’m eating enough calories on the carnivore diet. I have to have fruit and some starchy veg like squash, zucchini and sweet potatoes in order to maintain my weight.

[@paulasamec8715]

Eat more fat!

[@ulyssesmarshall5061]

@@paulasamec8715 um heart attack otw

[@foxyauragems6146]

Eat butter and tallow and lots of animal fats

[@individualisttv9247]

Your lighting is better now. You look great!

[@madhavaraobheesetti]

Hi Paul thank you so much for the information ... how to get the pdf showing toxic food list what was the email address can u mention in description please

[@motivatedtocomment]

When you say molecules, are you referring to the plants' oxalic acid in roots that absorb toxic metals and minerals in the soil, and then the plants crystalize these into oxalate molecules?

[@ianmackean5301]

Thanks Paul that was very interesting and informative. But if honey and fruit are OK does that mean spiking blood sugar levels doesn't matter any more?

[@arwenhardy1995]

Honey & fruits r only for the metabolically healthy, i.e., not appropriate for the majority. IMO

[@ianmackean5301]

@@arwenhardy1995 I understood from others in the low carb field, eg Dr Ken Berry, and from Paul himself I think, that blood sugar spikes are harmful to the body even for the metabolically healthy

[@pergamX]

Hi Paul, if i cook bone broth with the veggies (mainly tubers + onions) do the oxalates, lectins, and other antinutrients get deactivated or do they just leak in the broth and do the same damage when consumed? I guess what i am trying to find out is if longer cooking time (i.e. 12-16hrs as for preparing bone broth) would significantly reduce the antinutrient burden. Any experimental data on this? i.e. from personal experience, if legumes are cooked longer or at higher pressure/cooking temperature, they are waay easier on the stomach, but it might be mostly due to additional cellulose fiber breakdown by prolonged heat - by wich proccess one might even be releasing additional antinutrients from the within cellulose fibers (i.e. cell walls that get broken down by heat/pressure), and that means you end up consuming even more antinutrients that would have otherwise stayed bound within the cell walls.

[@foxywhitetip7387]

Why are you including them ?

[@pepper419]

As far as I'm concerned vegetables, all chemicals in foods etc. and cheeses and yoghurts, in fact anything on the supermarket shelf that has a number or even more than two or three items for instance a can with salmon must contain only saline or it stays on the shelf. I can consume cream and butter but not milk. Basically, the cream and butter are only fat. I can get away with one type of lettuce and one type of pear but it has to be ripe and peeled so it's a bit of a waste of time. Trying to peel a ripe pear is downright impossible unless done over the sink. A few other vegetables but they're not worth eating and completely tasteless.

[@foxyauragems6146]

I like zucchini fried in butter or tallow but they also have glyphosate

[@CarnivoreDownSouth]

WoW 😮 on the pepper and curcumin.

[@AndrewLindholm]

Carnivore has totally turned around my autoimmune problems. One question, I have always loved spicy foods, any thoughts on "safe" spices to add when cooking??

[@eduardofreitas7816]

Ok, but are there any actual studies showing that we cannot really handle these chemicals?

[@TheAdamzboyz]

Awesome job! Great new computer, Sound (mic) is spot on! Quick question...You had said that "unfortunately the Hausa have discovered Marijuana." Can you elaborate. It's obviously a plant based product. How can or will it affect the Hausa people? Do they smoke it, eat/injest it and to what quantity? When was it discovered or introduced to them? Why have they taken on this herb? Is it because they don't have the same hunting opportunities they once had and fill their time and "troubles or issues" with other things, like Marijuana? Just curious your take on this...scientifically, observationally, and just gut thoughts. THANKS!

[@Ninja.crystal]

Very excited that you are creating studies on animal foods!!!

[@jessicalott8732]

It would be super helpful to have links to things he mentions in this video. I've recently gone carnivore, but I want to hear more about fruit and honey. Am I missing the links somewhere?

[@jksinorbit]

If i was you i would stay strict carnivore with 2mad fasting until you have fixed your metabolism…3 months is the accepted amount of time, depending on how buggered up you are. RAW honey, unheated is beneficial in a normal portion size, fruits are more tricky due to how sweet they are these days.

[@carloscanet5172]

Very useful, thank you Paul!

[@pepper419]

These medical studies have been done for more than forty years, you just haven't heard of them. I was diagnosed with such a condition over thirty five years ago and have been carnivore ever since. This was in Australia. I'm sure I'm no orphan.

[@forestify963]

Date : June 26,2024 . I think I would come back to this comment soon. Thank you for this health find! I have been thinking of pectins and lectins adversely affecting human gut as I found it out across KZbin...so I eat raw tomatoes only if they are peeled and washed out free from its seeds and juice around the seeds. I have hyperthyroidism and have tried blood type diet, vegan, and vegetarian but always returns to the assumption that plants are healthier than meat. Would try keto with reference to animals that eat plants safe for humans. ❤

[@Extrasolar84]

can plant toxins be identified in labs?

[@foxywhitetip7387]

Oxalates are readily identified

[@wanshanz6754]

You mentioned “sweet potatoes” but they are listed as HIGH in oxalic acid. … a penny for your thoughts on this topic please.

[@warrenkener]

weird way to phrase the question. Of course some plants contain highly toxic compounds, no one that's serious questions that. There are also plants or parts of plants that aren't toxic, no one questions that either. it's completely plausible that humans may have adapted to take advantage of some chemicals that plants evolved to contain that protect them by warding off (some/many) "predators". There's also the concept of hormesis, which i've heard both you and more plant-friendly researchers discuss.

[@robertamaral2349]

It's sad living on this planet because, in order for something to live, something else has to give its life to some degree. Plants definitely don't want to be eaten and neither do the animals, but it is what it is. I think it's a balance personally of meat and plants. I recently started the carnivore diet...again, LOL! I have to say it makes me feel so much better and stronger! I was a vegetarian for a year when I got diagnosed with my cancer and that was amazing too, but holy fuck did I lose muscle and strength. That really bothered me a lot! As soon introducing meat into my diet I gained some muscle again. In my humble opinion, I still don't think eating this much meat every day is healthy long-term because I highly doubt our ancestor hunters and gathers were able to hunt down that much meat. They'd have to go days and even weeks without meat unfortunately I'd assume at times. Would they rather eat meat over berries and nuts...Yes! Again though, if you can afford it, meat is readily available for you. Eating good quality meat isn't always affordable. I think if one is to be on the carnivore diet for long periods then they should fast for 3 days here and there at least to clear things out. Fasting is in our genetics because again our ancestors had no choice sometimes if they couldn't find food. It's all a balance I think. I honestly feel like the carbs like bread and pasta are the issue along with heavily processed foods. All I can say is when I stick to the Carvivore diet I feel better and when I eat bread or pasta I immediately start to feel off. It's that whole insulin thing. I really appreciate what Dr. Saladino and Dr. Baker have taught us!

[@seanhobbins]

Your right that something has to die in order to be eaten, but I don’t think we can compare plants to animals. Animals are sentient and plants are not.

[@robertamaral2349]

@@seanhobbins I don't agree. Plants can feel hence, some of them have defence mechanisms. We can't hear the plants when they're being uprooted. I think everthing on this planet is sentient just at different levels of vibration. We're vibrating at a different resonance then they are. I grew up on a small homestead and believe me I know all about killing and it's awful. I think if folks had to kill and process their meat they'd be vegetarians right quick. I appreciate your opinion, just don't agree with it. Thank you.

[@JYAN2852]

Humans have evolved to be opportunistic eaters. We eat whatever we can hunt, catch, trap, find, grow. Watch the tv show "Alone" and we will see exactly what foods they all seek out for survival.

[@nnovo3122]

@@seanhobbins tell that to a wolf or a tiger. Maybe they'll become vegan.

[@seanhobbins]

@@robertamaral2349 If we are using that definition of sentience that is "the capacity to feel, perceive or experience subjectively", well maybe plants have A level of sentience. Plants react to stimuli such as light, but animals have a higher level of sentience no doubt and science has proven this. In the same way us humans have a higher level of sentience then say, mice. So I agree with you there. I still do not think that just because plants are living organisms, that justifys killing farm animals which we have established are more sentient (if you believe plants are sentient in the first place).

[@ChrisAzzurro]

So Saladino disagrees with Dr Gundry on fruit causing cancers, tumors to grow? I hate vegetables, but i love cantaloupes and bananas and berries. I also have a tumor on my pituitary gland, so ive been avoiding fruit.

[@ulyssesmarshall5061]

It might be dangerous to try a all meat diet with a tumor bad advice

[@foxyauragems6146]

I like papayas with lemon juice on top

[@bkovacs6]

Dose makes the poison, that could be processed carbs also.

[@pepper419]

Have you ever heard of the "Food Intolerance Network" ? Very well noted.

[@kasimirb5155]

Sure, plants produce toxins for self defense. But these toxins are also medicine. It's a question of dosage.

[@ac0pt]

Yes ? How you dosage ? Do anyone have a clue on the good effects of toxins ? From decades of eating plants I feel it on my bones, I stopped and my pains and problems are gone ...

[@kasimirb5155]

@@ac0pt I have made the same experience. I can't digest carbs, I get bloated and I feel sick. Nevertheless, plants have beneficial traits. In small amounts they become medicine.

[@fabricosta9488]

The only plant food that I can stand albeit not every day is rice.

[@mgr2599]

Are you not concerned about spiking your blood sugar eating fruit? Does that not cause inflammation?

[@robdoubleyou4918]

He is. He is metabolically healthy. He gets a blood glucose spike, but his blood glucose levels come down really quickly. The “area under the curve” is quite small, so he is ok with that. If you have insulin resistance, and your BG stays elevated for a long time, it’s probably a no go for you.

[@mgr2599]

@@robdoubleyou4918 Good to know!!! Thanks for the info.

[@tylermoore4429]

Even if we are correct about the "ancestral" diet (and this suggests we need more nuance: "How ancient people fell in love with bread, beer and other carbs" - www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-01681-w ), the fact is humans have been eating a varied diet for hundreds of generations, and I am not convinced the explosive increase in obesity, chronic disease and autoimmune conditions in the last few decades is due to eating too much plant foods. Firstly, most so-called veggies are actually fruits. Others are tubers, and most leafy foods are only used in well-cooked or fermented form in traditional cuisines around the world. Eating a bowl of nothing but raw kale is a Western "innovation". If we are having issues with traditionally used and traditionally prepared plant foods, I would like to understand why instead of confining myself to grass-fed beef for the rest of my life. What other theories could explain our health problems as a civilization? Is it EMF, or the modern sedentary lifestyle plus processed foods, or the Trevor Marshall "metagenomic/dysbiosis" theory, or Vitamin A poisoning as Grant Genereux proposes?

[@mfion]

Great questions. It's certainly not all/only about food. I would like to point out, though, that I'm not sure Saladino makes a blanket statement that we are "eating too much plant foods". He does talk about insulin resistance/sensitivity, which seems to be at least in large part driven by the (over)consumption of carbs, and he definitely talks about seed oils and their high concentrations of linoleic acid. With respect to plants, he points out the many ways in which they are/can be toxic. For people whose bodies are not in good condition, those toxins can really wreak havoc. He does focus a lot on carnivore as a healing diet for people who have not found cures for different kinds of diseases.

[@justdude2775]

Don't throw everything under a "plant food" blanket. Humans have been eating meat and non-genetically-modified vegetables and fruits for hundreds of thousands of years. Agriculture and growing crops has only been around for 10000 years. And yet now it's what we base 70-80% of our nutrition on. The human body has never adapted for eating high-glycemic carbohydrates, which are very different from an ancient vegetable or a fruit that were small, sour, and tiny.

[@tylermoore4429]

@@justdude2775 Man, you need to update yourself on what wild fruit in the tropics is actually like: deniseminger.com/2011/05/31/wild-and-ancient-fruit/

[@foxyauragems6146]

Hydrogenated

[@commenting4love]

Dr. Mark Hyman says plants are very healthy.

[@amaris7649]

I ate a decent size, ripe plum recently on a fasted (12 hours) stomach. Was wearing a CGM - interstitial glucose went from around 4.4 to 6.1 (SI units) within the hour and back down again. Figured the odd one here and there when in season was probably OK.

[@vlastimiljanko8638]

What about debate with Thomas DeLauer? Would be interesting.... You both talk about science a lot.... Thoughts?

[@Unsensitive]

@@DPost-bx6jv Early on in my diet and metabolism studies I listened to much of his content.. Now I rarely listen. With a good base of knowledge, I can filter out the BS, and occasionally glean something useful when I do listen to him though. Overall I feel he is beneficial to the dietary discussion as a whole, even if his level of operation is more mainstream, a bit biased, or inaccurate. He's a good communicator, less intimidating to a layman, and good for entry level knowledge.

[@JYAN2852]

DeLauer flip flops on just about everything. One year he is pro something then next year he is against it. His videos are based mostly on products he is promoting in the videos. I stopped following him for this reason

[@vlastimiljanko8638]

Unfortunately I have to agree with all of you... I think he cherry picks the studies and really going after$ , but after all if anybody start healthy lifestyle he's good basic line of information, but also pretty confusing....

[@lateinamerikareise]

More interesting would be a debate with dr. Berg or dr.ekberg especially on the topic of fruits...

[@reeserichardson8377]

Can't add fruit or honey back yet, still trying to loose the weight

[@DOCB-op1qc]

been scouring online. if you do basic searches its implied you can eat antioxidants. but im almost positive its just xenobiotic induced hormesis from chemicals. even berries. but no 1 seems to be able to give me a clear answer.

[@rhlang11]

so what are the good vegetables??

[@Karll541]

I’m beginning to think there are none

[@sophieg8522]

After you state something scientific using all the specialty terms, can you do a laymen's translation?

[@Karll541]

I feel that. He’s pretty technical

[@susanburger3673]

Ha Ha , even that is asking for word salad. Geography equals diet; how the energy from nutrients is physically expended by the body, is what determines one’s overall vitality. Since we have global variety when it comes down to eating; it is a tough call to be able to choose the proper diet for today’s individual.

[@johnbee209]

So “sun-in” is okay on a carnivore diet I see

[@larastueben9458]

Sun still gives you wrinkles 😉

[@Structuredrelaxation]

@@larastueben9458 it only makes them visible😅

[@SeeRichardRun]

When is the cook book coming out? Looking forward to it.

[@greendeane1]

Yes but.... I teach -- full time -- how to eat wild food. Wild fruit is dramatically different than man-manipulated fruit. Man makes fruit to be very sweet whereas Mother Nature makes fruit only sweet enough to have animals that can taste sweet to eat. Persimmons, for example, are astringent until the seeds are ready to germinate. The fruit then eliminates the astringency creating just a little sweetness. Man-made persimmon are a sugar bomb. Wild strawberries are barely sweet, cultivated ones are extremely sweet. So yes, if you mean wild fruit eat away. But not man-made fruit because it is excessively sweet.

[@foxywhitetip7387]

Do you teach how much of it will kill you ? And what do you teach to eat in winter .???

[@marybowers6090]

It’s crazy, there are carnivores that include plants 🌱 n their diet and thrive in the wild. So apparently their systems have the ability to counter the toxicity. I think ur ability to deal with the toxicity is based on ur blood type. I cannot eat nightshade plants but I can consume cruciferous vegetables. I can’t consume cantelope or oranges but lemons limes and berries are fine. Honey is extremely beneficial but u have carnivore advocates who say you shouldn’t consume honey, which is insane. Honey is the closest substance in composition to human blood and is anti inflammatory, anti bacterial, and an antioxidants. I get the same result on my blood type diet as I get with a carnivore diet and quite frankly I think my blood type diet is a healthier diet. The culprits are processed foods grains, pasteurized dairy and refined sugars nuts and seeds are suspect as well although for my blood type walnuts and almonds seem to be fine.

[@foxyauragems6146]

I do love sour cream it’s cultured cream YUMM

[@denisduracka357]

Never been so sick since i started carnivore diet. For me it was biggest mistake in life and now I am paying for that ...

[@richo2174]

A little more information would be useful if you want help

[@TerriblePerfection]

The opposite for me. I was vegetarian for decades until my skin suddenly freaked out and developed eczema. Going carnivore reversed it after I tried everything else. The relief is indescribable.

[@parisvisions2002]

I'm right with you. I started the carnivore diet and ate only 100% organic grass fed, grass finished meats. I became so sick, bloated, with migraine headaches, and it triggered a fatal depression. My body felt heavy, clogged and uncomfortable. I never felt so horrible in all of my life, I literally thought I was going to die and my body was screaming for greens. As soon as I ate some greens I instantly felt better and continue to eat veggies and meat today and feel great. What Dr. Saladino and most people telling you what you should and shouldnt eat is they do not take into consideration that we do not all share the same genetics, DNA, environmental histories. If someone ever says that everyone should be on one specific diet, they are a scam.

[@foxyauragems6146]

Probably detoxing oxalates and other nastiest ask sally norton she says to back off that crap SLOWLY or you will get very sick

[@joshjoshjoshjoshjoshjoshj]

Milk, fruit, and honey 🧐 DR RAY PEAT FTW

[@HawaiiLimey]

Thoughts on cooking on defensive plant compounds since homo sapiens evolved already utilizing fire.

[@bijanbonyadi1787]

Awesome as always 👌👌