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Converge offers free arts education courses in York and Newcastle to people with lived experience of mental ill health, with teaching supported by university students (see yorksj.ac.uk/converge). Over 2021, Converge has been asking the people who use it what they value about the programme. One early finding has particularly stood out - while people value the exchange of knowledge and skills with each other, it is primarily the exchange of attitudes with people with other life experiences that people find most useful. Watch our short animation to hear some of the things Converge students and university students have been telling us about how these crucial conditions for knowledge exchange are created.