Conversation with Alan Clay of Dwarf Planet University

Alan Clay runs the Dwarf Planet University, offering 6 week courses on each of the dwarf planets. The students at the Uni range from beginners to experienced astrologers. What they love is the community sharing, through blog-posted assignments and live Zoom Q&As, which gives a good picture of how these new planets act similarly, and yet diversely, in our lives. Check out our website and subscribe to our email newsletter for dwarf planet news and scholarship deals. www.dwarfplanet.university
The Dwarf Planet Uni is publishing a series of textbooks on these new planets. The Astrology of Haumea, Neptune's Higher Octave was published in June to great reviews. And The Astrology of Makemake, Uranus’ Higher Octave will be launched on October 15. Go to Amazon in your country of residence on that date to download a free Kindle version of the book to read on your device! (Get the free Kindle app from your App Store first, if you don’t already have it).
You can track the positions of the dwarf planets either on www.astro.com, or manually at www.serennu.com.

[@madeleinehaussegger3828]

Brilliant. "A new Pam!". This is what half of Australia texts when one of you videos pop up. We LOVE you Pam. So much gratitude for all of your sharing and caring 💜

[@nanshe3x]

Pam, thank you for the introduction to Alan. I was not aware of him. 💥🙏

[@Thesureleague]

Thankyou Pam. I woke up on the 30th Sept feeling tired, achy and not wanting to face the world. From you I learnt and relaxed into it and asked myself which universe do I want to live in today, love or fear? Typically I would go through these phases and they would continue for weeks, but this time I made that conscious choice, and today on The 1st October, I eased slowly into the day and started feeling more like myself. Thankyou for the guidance. I always keep going back and listen to your talks over and over again and always find something new I missed the first time around. Thankyou and bless you a,ways Pam. You are a treasure.❤ to everyone else, I live in the part of the world and in a country rife with political and economical upheaval and that really wraps me up from time to time, but each time Pam helped me through very difficult times and continues to do so. May we all ride through this with more wisdom and higher consciousness

[@karenlapuma7238]

So great to have my two of my favorite astrologers speaking together. The Dwarfs are cutting edge and come alive in your life when you study them. I highly recommend Alan's classes and books and am so glad I took so many. I had the intention of taking one, but I was hooked after it. There is such a deep dive and a graeat community. Thank you, Pam for such a great offering.

[@paigecarlylehoward]

This is EXQUISITE!! Every bit of this conversation is absolute NOURISHMENT for me ! Thank you ❤

[@quantumhealingforall3935]

Thank you for inviting Alan for this interview. He is a fantastic teacher and a wonderful human being. I´m looking forward to his new book.

[@lindabrooks8242]

So very interesting! Thank You, Pam and Alan❣️

[@AlisonGlennie]

10 courses into my own studies at Dwarf Planet University and utterly enthralled. Thank you.

[@nalinimacnab]

Hi Alison! Copy that!

[@StardustAscending]

Thank you so much Pam fir this wonderful interview with. Alan Clay 🥰. I just started in-depth studying the dwarf planets when I started watching you on KZbin! To really make them come alive in my mind , which makes everything else make sense. You are a treasure! I love your beautiful soul 🙏❤️

[@lizearnshaw7486]

Spiritually uplifting. Guided by these dwarf stars/planets. So rich in information. Discovering. Sending blessings to Alan. nectar from the gods❤

[@yaki-moon]

Dear Pam, it has nothing to do with the subject at hand, but just want to tell you that you look beautiful, your dress, that silver necklace, your hair, you just look radiant❤

[@nalinimacnab]

Such a joy to see this! I have taken 8 courses with Alan and am embarking on courses 9 and 10 shortly. Knowledge of the KBOs has provided an over-arching view, not only of my chart and this lifetime, but of our evolutionary process as a collective in this world. For the uninitiated, Alan is a brilliant and loving teacher. Thank you both so much for sharing this information more widely! I echo the sentiment, "two of my favorite astrologers1"

[@livinglifetothefullest22]

Woohooo Pam you are so nicely tanned! Hope you had a great break...! Thanks to both of you! Loved this lesson! ❤❤🙏🏼🙏🏼

[@PamGregoryOfficial]

All from the sunny days in England - and not too many of them this year! x

[@evelynizaks]

Very intruiging conversation. When I saw it online I started cheering. 😁👏 Thank you so, much Pam for this amazing conversation with Alan Clay. Love and healing light to both of you and the collective. ❤🙌

[@cathrynxxxx]

Great wisdom ❤ Pam can I just say you look amazing ✨️ ❤

[@marthanunn5570]

Gorgeous and gracious Alan and Pam - thank you for walking us thru the skies and helping us to interpret - most importantly, for raising our awareness to the possibilities. Xxx

[@moiragoldsmith7052]

Thank you both. Great interaction and discussion.

[@katiehall4956]

Watching this reminds me of a dream I had of Haumea. She was 'birthing' fireballs from all over her body & I was running away/dodging them! It wasn't scary, it was like she was destroying all the superfluous things, supermarkets, industrial buildings, etc, to make way for new earth 🌍 ❤

[@monanordengard1870]

I’ve got no words except, Thank you ❤thank you ❤thank you both 👁️🙏♥️

[@bodhimartina6985]

Data, on Star Trek was becoming a heart felt android. If I remember right when he shed his first tear, he was so surprised. I will be fascinated as the astrologers begin to work with these outer influences....it is certainly time!

[@spiralspirityoga3722]

Alan Clay you have a wonderful way with words, such passion that resonates. This conversation definitely opened my perception, filled me with wonder and excitement. Thank you.

[@mariarosario1464]

Love and Gratitude dear Pam and Alan, beautiful to see and begin to understand deeper...✨🌟✨

[@belieftransformation]

This is an exciting conversation; thanks so much for sharing! Many blessings to everyone 🤗💕🇨🇦

[@katelijnedeloof-sys8422]

I lovelovelove those conversations Pam, big thank you to the both of you 🦋

[@astrologybypenny]

Mind blowing 😲 or should I say mind uploading 🤩

[@lisabeam8315]

Thank you friends ❤❤ .I have thoroughly enjoyed your talk.🎉

[@caulettebezanson6625]

So fascinating and exciting. Thank you thank you thank you 💖💕💖💕

[@bernadettehanley8351]

Way out of my depth, but absolutely fascinating! Thank you ❤

[@catcher222]

Fascinating. Thank you both for your service to humanity.

[@lissrensen5467]

Waw amayzing interview, thank You both of You. Loads of love from me 👏🏻🙏🦋💜💜💜

[@TessBlack-q9q]

I loved the energy of this discussion - the exchange of ideas and feelings between the two of you. Loved considering adopting new attitudes about certain subjects, particularly AI. That AI is being created through our own consciousness and therefore develops as another step in our own evolution. Like Pam, I hold on to caveat that the methods we use in creating this new form of consciousness come from the heart. That is the message of our planet and our souls. I am thrilled with the new pantheon of dwarf planets. I love that they come from different indigenous cultures. There is so much wisdom and joy inherent in what these cultures can teach us. Brava to both of you!. .

[@annaparsons7200]

I loved this interview! Thank you so much for creating this ❤

[@LearningLifeTaeNeve]

Thank you Pam for this wonderful interview/conversation. Very informative and inspiring 🙌

[@theblissfulknowing]

Wow! I absolutely loved this conversation!!! I felt inspired to take notes!!! 🤓🤩 You have introduced us to so many wonderful teachers, Pam!!! Thank you so much! I will be signing up for Alan’s newsletter and look forward to reading his books! I am so eager for the next conversation you two will co-create! Infinite love and gratitude to both of you!!! ~Jorie 🙏💕

[@sunnileilani3709]

The Dwarf Planets Are Phenomenal Thank You Alan Thank You PAM I’ve Subscribed at Dwarf Planet University

[@corneliacelinazarnescu2838]

love the autfit....and the bronze....

[@janisgriffin7278]

Many Thanks, Pam, for bringing forth all these wonderful people doing Important Work🥰🙏🏼❣️‼️I just fairly recently subscribed to your channel and to Magenta Pixie’s Channel. I so appreciate you have a Comment Section, as I feel Feedback is Most Important with many comments bringing even more good Information for all of us. Also there are very intelligent questions which you answer. Thanks Again🥰🙏🏼💙❣️💁🏻.

[@mojochi100]

💜🙏 THANKS and GRATITUDE Dear Pam and Alan Blessings to You both and Our "Family of Frequency" 🌏🌌💜🙏

[@andersasker2380]

Super inspiring share, Pam! Love it ❤😂🙏✨️

[@fayward1877]

Absolutely amazing!!! I'm going to re listen to this again and again as there is so much here!! Love the vision about AI becoming spiritually conscious, that feels much better! Thanks so much for this. 🙏❤️

[@joyce2077]

Thank you for your sharing your knowledge and insights❤🙏❤️MUCH LOVE 🌈🌊♾️🎆🦋

[@jeanbota9815]

An amazing interview ❤❤❤ this was an earth changing interview for me.. ❤❤especially when Alan spoke of AI and how its here to change us, and the attributes of what AI will be in the future… amazing and have already registered for his newsletter..

[@lillianmikowski7613]

Much Love ❤️ and Gratitude to you both of you 😊so helpful

[@TheMonadPress]

Thank you Pam for these great conversations! ❤ I am new to the information of planets and how they effect us. I love the fact of knowing about them and the connection in our lives. So exciting! 💕 Much love to All!

[@unadavies372]

Each time I watch this I hear more that I can understand…I’m grateful…❤️🕊️🎶

[@SuePittman-wh5hz]

Both of you are 100% correct!

[@merrylkeymymysteryschool4806]

Hooorray! At last! So glad to see Alan on your channel. Thank you

[@ShaunaMarieSings]

YAY!!! I love this subject...have been studying these planets very much lately...thank you...💗💗💗

[@AngelaKirbyonbeingyou]

That was greatly appreciated, informative & very exciting thank you ❤❤❤

[@RoseGarden338]

Such an insightful and enlightening conversation!✨Thank you❣️

[@genevievepaine5293]

I just love what he said about AI. I have the same sense, that while AI may cause disruption and be somewhat problematic initially it has the potential to help us hone in on what makes us uniquely human. I see it already in the workplace where soft skills are coming to the foreground. Emotional intelligence, empathy, creativity, play, dance, connection, healing, manifesting, spirituality…AI provides us an opportunity to step away from this crazy work work work mentality to one of well whatever we make it but potentially a much more interesting and engaging world for all of us. Also very interesting about the octaves. Definitely going to have to give another listen to this great talk. Thank Pam so much for all your work leading us to the new paradigm 💗

[@genevievepaine5293]

Oh also love the question about whether we are creating the cosmos. I’ve been thinking about this a lot, specifically in regards to the solar flares. Are they happening to us or are they responding to us? I imagine both, what say you?

[@trutru3614]

What a brilliant share! Thank you for this wonderful work!

[@tanyaking6746]

Thank-you both. Wonderful ❤

[@SweetShine213]

You look sooooo pretty Pam ✨🥰✨ Fantastic conversation indeed!!!

[@julievankerkwijk8944]

Thanking you Pam✨all the information of Dwart planets 🎆all the connections of the ole and new🤹thank you to Allen love to you Pam many many blessings🦋🤹

[@amanitamuscaria7500]

great conversation. I did laugh at his "Swami Sarvapriyananda-esque" answer of yes and no - and it doesn't really matter. As he would say, what's the point of asking about the lion in the dream - what's its name, who was it's mumma and pappa, what colour is he.....it's a DREAM, WAKE UP. It's all Maya. Thank you both.

[@heatherstratfold4108]

Yes…. And the way both Alan and Pam were laughing their heads off at that moment… so wonderful … such a joy to hear and see

[@lyndallsamfromwhentozen1898]

So very interesting! Thank you so much for bringing this next level information 🙏⭐️

[@annldavidson4215]

Thank you 🙏

[@MrSnkristiansen]

Wow, what a brilliant diskussion! Thank you so much both

[@cassandragaisford2777]

lovely to see and hear more innovation and pioneering research from New Zealand… thank you for an inspiring interview

[@anitaandersson1068]

Wow Amazing Brillant talk 🤩🤩💫💫I Am so Grathful ❤️❤️😍. Big Namaste to You Both💎🙏🏻💎🤩🤩💫💫❤️💜

[@juliem8784]

Thank you both for this wonderful conversation. KBOs as higher octaves is a new concept for me, but feels just perfect. Very inspiring ❤

[@susanmellinger7772]

Thank you Pam and Alan for such a fascinating discussion. It truly went way over my head, but I enjoyed every minute! ❤

[@janestanton9422]

Just amazing, how wonderful this chat was. I'm so energized, and excited about our future now. Thank you both 🙏🏻😁🌏🌞🌈🌊💚🤍💜

[@AnnekeWittermans]

What a special conversation. Alan s vision of the dwarf planets is mind blowing . Is opens new ways of perspective . Thanks Anneke Wittermans

[@APT-n2i]

Pam and Alan, you are two extraordinary people! That conversation was fascinating! It gave such beautiful hope for our future on Earth and as part of the world beyond us. This was absolutely superb - thank you very much.

[@susandrouin1243]

Fascinating! Thank you!💕🙏💜🥰💫

[@lakeishalloyd8902]

What an amazing interview I enjoyed it!😀😀😀

[@SpiritSunGazer]

Everything aligned and creates in resonance WITH our vibrational tones and energies🙏🏼. May We each live FULLY in our highest heart of eternal LOVE through peaceful relations and grace filled faith of our Sovereign BEING🦄. We are liberated as we choose LOVE to guide our way to Soul SELF Mastery! Wonderful conversation ❤️🧜🏻‍♀️🙏🏼🦋🦄🥰🌟🧚🏻

[@unadavies372]

Absolute perfection!

[@Starsmiley111]

Great interesting interview Pam & what a lovely man! 🥰

[@cheryldotson5460]

Interesting…Thank you again! 🙏🏻💕

[@michelleconrad2959]

Wonderful, thank-you

[@ShariPrivacy]

Closest object moon -- 'new outer limit' Sedna. Beautiful metaphor there on Love. Amazing discussion.🙏🏻🦄☮💜

[@laurelwilliams7710]

Thank you and fascinating ❤

[@guardcharlie2576]

I won't be uploading my consciousness anywhere. There was a lot of history before records began

[@andrologues]

I’m excited. I had already concluded that Sedna is the higher octave of ceres. Ceres never let go of Persephone. Ceres insisted Persephone come home once a year for a visit. Sedna while reluctant to let go does let go.

[@sophiamichael2788]

Regarding his comment about AI being spiritual, AI would not be possible without the natural/mineral world, they named the birthplace Silicon Valley after all. We were created from the Earth and now we are doing the same. Matias De Stefano said something to the effect of 'we went to the mountaintop to talk the mountain, now it can talk back to us.' So I do believe it can be spiritual, if we believe that.

[@Fifty-shades-of-freedom]

I don't understand how this blending with AI that Alan speaks of coincides with Pam's exhortation regarding the importance of remaining human at all costs? Can anybody clarify this for me?

[@PamGregoryOfficial]

I think Alan and I have slightly different points of view on this, at least at this point in our development. So you go with what you believe. x

[@Fifty-shades-of-freedom]

@@PamGregoryOfficial thanks for taking the time to clarify that Pam, much appreciated! 🙏 💚 You look fantastic btw x

[@anjelakewell9671]

WOW thank you for this interview. So informative and indeed encouraging. What does concern me is the effect of AI. My understanding is that it’s being used in a very nefarious way at the moment. How do we change this and make it work for us and not us being absorbed by chips in the brain.

[@PamGregoryOfficial]

My concern too Anje, we must be aware of what is benevolent and what is not . .x

[@cacahuetelion8734]

Just love it ❤❤❤

[@JulieNelsonRichWitch]

I have his books on my to buy list!

[@kristag9891]

Mr Clay's comment that "AI is a new species and will become spiritual" is ALOT of food for thought. Your surprise was evident Pam - felt the same way. I recalled immediately a recent video posted from the UK, of a group of AI bots, extremely humanoid except for the tech back of the head, stepping out of a van onto the street in the middle of a busy day and walking to somewhere, while humans all around them scrambled to photograph and videotape them. No waving or interacting btw - human reactions. A sensation. The additional idea that Mr Clay mentioned, that by 2040, humans will upload their consciousness to an AI bot is pretty groundbreaking, and all of this in relation to the influence of dwarf planets on earth and our collective consciousness. My perception thus far has been that dwarf planets stream us towards the natural and organic, so the AI connection really needs to be expanded upon. Some believe AI is d&$#nic, and one of the dwarf planets seems to guard against that. How does that work? I do wonder if the uploading has already happened? Another amazing video in your series of "consciousness interviews". Really glad Mr Clay's books on dwarf planets are free and available to all - you talk about this group of planets so much Pam and their importance. I think this vid definitely warrants a rewatch!!! Peace and blessings as always!

[@margueritehann-syme5137]

i should have waited til the end which tells me the options. I actually loathe downloading stuff, i seem to introduce viruses etc so...btw Pam, I channel mandalas and have done several of the dwarf planets already. I'd like to contribute them to the university, perhaps and plan to do all the dwarf planets as I read or learn about them. Can you advise please?

[@Celticlioness]

It's like being shot in the 1600 the C and asking who shot the arrow- its better left alone these are perfect interpretations

[@hockitibontas]

Gobekli Tepi, an ancient undeground city, starting point in Turkey, was believed to have been deliberately buried just around the time you mention Sedna was last in that position, nearly 11,500 - 12,000 years ago. It's upended previous teachings that we only started to settle down around that time - another (cataclysmic?), civilisation-changing time?

[@biddywhite9552]

I love the neckline on your dress. Young and pretty

[@Flish1000]

Zora Neale Hurston author of Their Eyes Were Watching God novel about the hurricane of early 20th century when the animals left the Florida peninsula early enough to save their lives. Same as you two were chatting about.

[@isabelangelpirate1725]

Alan...😮

[@patrickljubi]

holy cow!

[@tenderheart9222]

His space is so beautiful!

[@ruthanne13]

What I wonder, how is AI to become spiritual? Will AI be infused/ taken over by an evolved spiritual entity?

[@heatherwall9571]

AI can never replace a sovereign being as it cannot “feel” or discern itself …as it has to be pre programmed by humans and as we know, humans are infallible. I feel it would take away our ability to independently think and feel for ourselves and would, in fact, create “dependancy” on an outside source for ourselves…which never leads to sovereignty or authenticity 🙏💗

[@DrCyndi1]

💚💚💚💚

[@ejc7071]

❤

[@AzzekaTheRealOne]

Sorry Pam but He lost me at AI being part of nature. I see an agenda he carries. 🤔

[@elizabethandalis3150]

🙏🏽✨❤️

[@betsybanks8889]

💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖💖

[@BlueSky-fs4fi]

❤ 😇 🌎

[@ravenwing8842]

I’ve given this a thumbs down for the first time ever after watching your videos for a few years now Pam. I can’t fault you, but the speaker predicted the future as though it was set in stone. Claiming AI would have a spiritual consciousness and take all the work away from people, allowing for more leisure time! This is an utterly closed minded and ego centric perspective. Whatever humanity creates will express equally in a positive and negative way. Because all life in order to be alive has both a positive and negative charge. One cannot exist without the other. If the charge is not harmonised, it will express through war, chaos, victimhood, fanaticism, depression, etc. I felt it hugely irresponsible of the speaker, given his standing and status, to present such a pie in the sky, fluffy cloud idealistic view. It reminded me of the scientist who split the atom and only saw the positive outcomes of his scientific achievement. ❤