Convert to horizontal drop outs!

[@Bugeyed19]

I wish you were my next door neighbor.

[@PatonHaus]

One of my neighbours is shit, you should buy their place.

[@theocarurucan7594]

HAHAHAHAHA

[@mom_im_losing_it]

What part of Canada are you in I need this done to my bike.

[@ducksnr]

Watching this in 2023 about to do the conversion on a super cool aluminium frame with vert drop outs. Wish me luck

[@unprofesional9704]

How'd things turn up?

[@ErosObfuscate]

how was it man?

[@LozMyKeys]

I wana know how it turned out?

[@thegt3clickcrash329]

I must say however your fabrication skills are pretty good man. I would love to build a complete Frankenstein bike. Just using everything from other old bikes to make one.

[@Ampersand1988]

now, convert it back.

[@PatonHaus]

I'm on it, come back in a month.

[@blakboyytunes]

😂

[@carolaromanos433]

Nintendo Sucks ggg

[@mobydimk8231]

))))

[@khairjafar915]

Click undo

[@vibeandride2984]

This is amazing I've never seen this done before on KZbin

[@daos3300]

JK BMX that is hilarious

[@simondr70]

Make sure you change your crank arms to 165 mm because the bottom bracket is lower with road geometry so there's less chances of pedal strike ..

[@MrDirizhor]

@PatonHaus, how do they work eventually? I'am afraid that those dropouts could be soft and bent with time. So do they work good or they bend?

[@bfx2515]

I suggest you don't do this cuz it's ruining the bike. Besides, those roadbike dropouts are completely safe

[@cancelik]

@@bfx2515 It's safe enough if it s done proper way. You can't use chain tensioner at road bike dropouts.

[@kke]

And here I am contemplating if I should try my luck and deepen my horizontal drop outs by half a chainlink.

[@PatonHaus]

Do it! Just take your time and only remove small amounts until you have things nicely aligned. 👍

[@Billyjoe_Patriot]

Great job.

[@PatonHaus]

Thank you!

[@joynthis]

This video needs a warning not to try it on carbon frames. Now the garage is on fire. Help.

[@PatonHaus]

Bahaha yeah you need special carbon fibre welding rod ;)

[@simondr70]

Duh..

[@danmcgivern4057]

Would it be possible with an aluminium frame??

[@Tatana515]

😆😆😆

[@tonycobb1895]

Much easier than welding on an entire track dropout onto the seat and chain stays.

[@soethan.1349]

Great work, thank you so much.

[@Gampeh]

Cool man! I must say u have some good hands with the angle grinder!

[@lsdc1]

This is very inspiring and informative to watch. I wish I had your skills (& tools!). Thanks for sharing.

[@jonienglish3231]

I Added Disc Brakes to my 2 Aluminum Cantilever Mtb Frames , got a local welder to Tig weld some plates , with nice Beads

[@PatonHaus]

Nice!

[@aam77]

That's going to be one sick bike.

[@alexkastano96]

.....to fork ends,they wore horizontal in a beginning with....but that's cool.... just for fun of doing that,the frame was shitty anyways 25$ tops in NYC, now you can sale it to a hipster for a 100)))

[@Biggreydog]

Converts to horizontal and puts a 6 speed wheel in .? Would be ok using track bike with alfine hub.

[@simondr70]

Yes the spacing is in your favor

[@matthewedwards9981]

Great job, is it still good now ?

[@sheep1ewe]

I just asking because i am curious, but what is the advantage of this compared to the previous?

[@bugfish100]

it now has the look of an classical track bike dropout. Also you can adjust special screws at the open side of the droput which pull the wheel back when you spin the screws. But both dropouts can be used to tighten up the chain by pulling the wheel.

[@sheep1ewe]

@@bugfish100 Ah, thank You for the explanation, i am still stuck with grandpas old bicycle (i still love it for some reason), so i suppose a lot of water has run under the bridges since the early 40s (when it was made) so to speak... ha ha.

[@stephenimsong3462]

That’s was so awesome, I was at some point thinking how you were going to hold it on a mill and make the track drop out slot! Haha

[@PatonHaus]

A thin cut-off disc is pretty great at cutting straight lines, give it a shot! Cheers for the comment!

[@먼지-c8v]

Is there any problem with stiffness due to the change in dropout?

[@michael_d2]

extremly cool! is it possible to with a stick welding?

[@PatonHaus]

For sure it is!

[@scc3828]

"GOOD JOB" - You are a Maker! Next a little paint, some tug nuts, a flip flop hub/wheel you have a home brewed fixie saved from the landfill!

[@rodrigoramirez-arvizu1821]

Thats right. Good work man

[@benvincent7935]

Nice! I've got an old bianchi frame that's mint but has drop mounts and unfortunately doesn't fit my current setup, would love to get it on the road! Do you do jobs or was this just a side thing?

[@simondr70]

Shorten your crank arms to 165mm ounce done, BB is lower on a road bike

[@gwEmbassy]

nice job man :)

[@benlow46]

i believe you have this mixed up, you started with a frame that has horizontal dropouts, and converted them to track forks. Hope this helps

[@PatonHaus]

I agree, but the nomenclature has changed over the years to a point that track ends are still called drop outs. Potato potato.

[@hugobrown2516]

First time I have seen this. Im sure the reason to have the original drop outs is so that the back cannot fly off backwards. Makes sense.

[@PatonHaus]

Pretty much every single speed bicycle ever produced has horizontal drop outs. It's main benefit is to allow adjustment of the wheel to tighten the chain, since there's no derailleur to do so.

[@adamh7947]

Nice job!

[@PatonHaus]

Thanks Adam!

[@michael_d2]

I have a note/question . If I'm going to keep using an existing v-brakes. I should be very carefully to put hole more or less on the same place?

[@PatonHaus]

Generally yes, but even the v-brake assembly itself is adjustable to move the pads up/down, so there’s a lot of wiggle room. Just make sure the new drop out slot crosses the same location as the old one.

[@Kayakmiami]

Professional 💯

[@ratskirobo4836]

Good workmanship!

[@kdktwelve6142]

I apologize for my ignorance. What is the benefit of and reason for this modification? Thanks for the video and nice work.

[@tylerrussell8144]

KDK twelve it is perfectly ok! The reasoning is for chain tension on a fixed gear bike as they do not have a regular "deraileur" to tension chain. Moving the wheel horizontally creates tension. I have a single speed cannondale with a rear tensioner because I don't have these horizontal dropouts.

[@kdktwelve6142]

@@tylerrussell8144 Thank you. I think I understand now.

[@MrRabi001]

What's the benefits of horizontal dropout

[@coletrick8748]

Rabi Manandhar .. Chain adjustment on a perfect horizontal plain

[@juliancorona234]

Mainly you can easily put a chain tensioner.

[@anthonyespinoza5340]

Well done man

[@coletrick8748]

Those original dropouts would’ve still worked to pull the wheel back to adjust tension.. Why not just leave them alone?

[@MP-zf7kg]

forward-facing dropout suck to hell and whoever invented them is a fricking idiot. I HATE those things. Wheel is constantly coming loose...did one time as I started across a 6-lane road. You might get the idea I don't like forward-facing dropouts.

[@MrWouzke]

Nicely done! Just a question, why? Just becouse it looks better or does it have other advantages?

[@PatonHaus]

I have the tools, welder and spare time. That's really about it.

[@MrWouzke]

No more reasons needed ^^

[@simondr70]

Its easier to deal with chain tension its a single speed beater

[@Stop_Elitists_Wars]

Brilliant !!

[@nobodyeveryone1996]

Newbie here can any body pls tell does this effect the frame strength?

[@angelomedi]

sound here is amazing

[@finbarflatman6138]

how strong are the drop outs once youd done it

[@PatonHaus]

Probably stronger than the original metal.

[@dariosacchet7764]

this was very interesting but why would you want horizontal dropouts on your bike? is it just for aesthetic purposes?

[@PatonHaus]

Mostly to allow tensioning of the chain when using a single speed drivetrain. But yes I think it also looks nicer as feature on a frame 👍

[@dariosacchet7764]

@@PatonHaus can’t you change the tension on a horizontal dropout? thanks for the answer!

[@PatonHaus]

​@@dariosacchet7764 In this case this frame was scrap and was the one I had on hand to demonstrate for the video. This same approach would apply on any steel frame though.

[@BruceChastain]

really nice work.

[@boozhoundlabs]

great work. love this.

[@gideonvincentgoudin7762]

This is awesome

[@PatonHaus]

Thank you Gigi!

[@RiderBlitz1.0]

Its really amazing, i wanted to do this with mine

[@RIXXTA86]

Awesome Video Bro! Cheers!

[@AvaPxiaO]

I love this video. I don't know how you managed to really center the slots, I would have cut them like 7-8mm wide, have some kind of jig where I can brace the seat tube tight and level it vertical, while bringing the BB shaft and drops at about level. Then fine file the top part of the slot left and right so they are level with each other, then file the bottoms to match the 10.1mm slot on the bottoms, use a 9mm front wheel to check center while filing. It came out OK so I assume you did measure things out not shown on the video.

[@PatonHaus]

I did measure and scribe the slots, and I'm fairly confident using an angle grinder for accurate work. Both slots came out well and were nearly perfectly aligned front to back and in height. The next time I do something like this I'll buy some laser cut drop outs and braze them on.

[@wo-olf]

Why would you convert horizontal drop outs to horizontal drop outs?

[@thisistalay]

WJ to convert bike to fixed gear

[@Colinke]

Isnt it still applicable if u use horizontal dropouts for fixie bike? Dont really get the intention....

[@PatonHaus]

Something to do, and I like the look of track ends.

[@zenotornieri1632]

Epic progect mate !!!

[@wo-olf]

It would work with the angled dropout as well, no need to convert to "true" horizontal.

[@lazlybateman8819]

Nice work. The top tube is horizontal ?

[@TboneTenEighties]

Cool and good job but on a multi speed bike? Are converting to single speed? And yes i have no idea what i am talking about lol

[@fredbissnette3104]

Sick af

[@lexanddrewblog]

And now - how made vertical drop from horizontal?

[@gabriel5841]

Awesome job! Going to try on my Monark 10.

[@PatonHaus]

Thanks Gabriel!

[@davidtaylor5205]

Good effort. I can't help but think it would've been easier to replace the dropouts in the frame with track ones. Especially as it's only a quick heat job with a torch. You clearly have the skills.

[@daos3300]

David Taylor 'quick heat job' is way off the mark. have you ever tried unbrazing a proper brazed joint - cleanly?

[@petertyrrell6690]

Cool idea but it didn't look like you had 100% weld penetration, so when you ground the weld flat, a lot of strength was ground away.

[@PatonHaus]

Which part of the video?

[@mikieson]

good lord people..just say "GOOD JOB" and move on. Does this really need more explanation and debate as to whats better or "right"?..lol...Good job PatonHaus ..

[@roqsdeleon279]

Amazing, what kind of weld rod did you use?

[@PatonHaus]

Standard fluxcore, i think .030 wire.

[@ОлександрДячук]

Все смотрели и никто не понял. С каких пор сварка стала крепче монолита?

[@naujaral2131]

Very well done, congrats 👍

[@niyaz3644]

What material was this frame steel or alloy

[@PatonHaus]

It may have been an alloy of sorts but likely just plain steel.

[@tomvale2054]

Long live the rat bike

[@Rayvo1985]

Awesome!

[@miguelr6989]

Ok good he is not ruining a vintage Schwinn frame

[@adamb7426]

I like it!!

[@cyruslever586]

Why? Wpukdnt it be easier amd safer to just cut it off completely amd reweld at the point thats welded

[@PatonHaus]

Sure, let me know when you make your own video showing that.

[@PatonHaus]

Oh snap shots fired.

[@daos3300]

Cyrus Lever the originals aren't welded, they're brazed, which is a lot more difficult and requires a higher degree of knowledge & skill.

[@simondr70]

Aww come on to be so hard, the job aint that bad ..For freakin beater it's allright .

[@dvn2085]

So much job... That's art :)

[@andreuasencios3620]

why not just cut it inverted and welding it again?

[@FelippePinheiroDiplomata]

Nice video.

[@PatonHaus]

Thanks Felippe!

[@gimpo312]

Wow this video makes it look too easy

[@PatonHaus]

The magic of editing 🌟✨

[@edgarharo9386]

What width and type of steel did you use

[@PatonHaus]

Hmm i don’t recall but I cut the width down to get the pieces to fit, so you could use any width of steel you like.

[@nikoconcarne]

a grinder and paint makes me the welder I aint

[@kelpshake650]

Can you do the reverse?

[@PatonHaus]

Not a question of can I, more a question of should I? The answer is no 😄

[@simondr70]

How long did it take you to do this ? 2 hours ?

[@PatonHaus]

Much longer because I had to film it but I bet you could do it in 2-3 hours if you had the necessary tools.

[@Chhaay]

Can this work on alu frames?

[@PatonHaus]

If you can weld aluminum 👍

[@jrqc6166]

¿Cuál es el objetivo de esa modificación ? De esa manera lo que se consigue es sólo quitarle ese valor clásico de lo original , así como también la inoperancia de los cambios y la relativa insolidéz de las partes transformadas (orejas)

[@GreMP]

La modificación es para poner un piñón fijo para el estilo Fixie no es lo mismo que una bicicleta de cambios el valor del cuadro clásico es irrelevante es este caso

[@JesusCruz-bq1jy]

*!!WOOOOOWW!!* QUE INGENIOSO 😌👏👏👏

[@jason80892]

Why convert to horizontal drop out's. More chance of the wheel being miss aligned if you hit somthing or the nut comes loose.

[@simondr70]

nope

[@Create_o_raptor]

Can you do that to aluminum frames?

[@PatonHaus]

With a tig welder, sure.

[@turbitoescort7460]

Very smart idea

[@CallMDel]

still need to make it a 120mm rear fork before it becomes a track frame though

[@antman5474]

I think it might have been 120 to start with, it's an old brazed frame.

[@FreeUpTheWeed]

Steel frames bend easily and safely enough. Sheldon Brown has instructions on it IIRC.

[@simondr70]

Removing the cassette putting on spacers and rebuilding the rear wheel will do ..

[@pedromppinto]

This looks like an old road bike frame so probably a 120mm anyway!

[@GreMP]

Excelente idea amigo me ayudó mucho tu vídeo !!

[@joseccastrojr]

Que os deuses da mecânica te perdoem por usar o paquímetro digital como riscador!

[@walkertongdee]

Should have left the end closed whoops there goes a wheel. There are keepers with adjusting drag bolt why not? something else to do...

[@stevejeffries1603]

Amazing

[@PatonHaus]

Thank you Steve!

[@camaroblackmatte]

amazing stuff, inspiring :)

[@rafaelbalbi4405]

Essa solda não destenpera o quadro?facilitando quebrar

[@tomalcolm]

That sure was ugly! How’s it holding up?

[@PatonHaus]

Fluxcore wire will do that, lots of grinding!

[@tomalcolm]

PatonHaus my real question concerns the strength of those drops. Not much knowledge of metallurgy.

[@Metal-Possum]

Those aren't vertical dropouts, they're horizontal dropouts. They're more or less horizontal already, with room for adjustment. The reason they're called dropouts is because they let you (wait for it) drop the wheel out. Horizontal FORK ENDS, as you are fitting, are not dropouts, because you can't drop the wheel out of them, instead of you have to fiddle around a whole lot more to get the wheel in and out.

[@PatonHaus]

Those are all excellent points. I enjoy the occasional wheel fiddling, so that's okay. Come back anytime!

[@brad5983]

Oh shut up

[@geraldschenk]

I parsed the comments for exactly the same point. The OP changed from _horizontal_ dropouts to _track ends_. That's no criticism of the work or reasons. Only a request to clarify confusing naming.

[@cristian6766]

Wow! Amazing job! But isnt't it a bit weak? It seams a bit flimsy to me. Don't yell, i'm just asking. Now get two nice looking chain tensioners and pull the axle back and make a nice single speed.

[@PatonHaus]

The metal is the same gauge as the old dropouts, so strength shouldn't be too big an issue. I'm not sure what grade the steel is, but it's not going off-roading, so I think it'll do just fine.

[@cristian6766]

PatonHaus Use it with pleasure!

[@simondr70]

Chain tensioners are junk

[@simondr70]

If there's a welder watching this , estimate how long it could take to modify the dropouts , thanks ..

[@linojrfilms1561]

ask a fg nyc welder, I bet they know it all

[@thegt3clickcrash329]

Everything was going good then comes out the mig welder

[@FarmerFpv]

It's a flux core welder you dumbass, Mig uses argon, goes to show you don't know shit about welding you're an armchair expert. Welding a thick dropout with flux core or Mig is not a big deal, it's not like he's welding chainstays or a bottom bracket you douche.

[@mortallious1234]

Hipsters take note.

[@PatonHaus]

Hipsters are very particular about how their wheels are attached. True fact.

[@x91iNFINITi]

Woah thanks for this vid

[@viniliz]

sir ure a master

[@plastikbertrand]

That’s good that like 👍

[@yoyolasticotniska]

amazing !

[@Desi365]

a quoi ça peut bien servir ? c'est possible- bravo pour le boulot- mais c'est in-recommandable

[@peterliljebladh]

Even the slightest miscalculation would make the wheel sit at an angle in the frame.

[@PatonHaus]

Easily corrected by a grinder.

[@loucosporbike9334]

Consertesa melhora o ângulo da roda traseira deixando a bike mais curta melhorando a bike nas curvas

[@simondr70]

ou seja, se você mudar o braço da manivela para 165 mm, o suporte inferior será menor em uma bicicleta de estrada

[@williamcarroll5402]

Me next me next and what's the charge 😁