COOL DOWN Your Harley - Get RID of that EPA Tune!

[@jackklarich7045]

Another great video Kevin Thanks. I might add the PV Tuner is pretty fool proof and virtually indestructible. The gauge display is a BIG plus

[@DKCustomProducts]

Yes. Gotta agree with you Jack. I would feel lost without the gauges. Been using them for so long now. You're right about them being close to bulletproof. The one on my 2019 TG was previously on my 2014 TG, and before that it was on the 2011 TG. It's got a lot of miles on it and works just as well now as day one.

[@killdozer3464]

Just wanted to say, I got a new project bike (2017 FXDL) and the first thing I did was install the FL-VIED10, my third bike in a row that gets that as soon as I get it home. Now to install my other usuals, Thunderheader and a DK Customs External Breather kit.

[@DKCustomProducts]

Awesome! I hope your new project bike turns out exactly how you want it to be or better. Please feel free to contact us with any questions; [e-mail] 662-252-8828 Thank you for your business and for commenting! MB

[@killdozer3464]

@@DKCustomProducts Thanks, hoping to ride it down to your next open house.

[@DKCustomProducts]

Awesome! Our next Open House is on June 8th. We will be glad to see you!!! MB

[@robbyclark6915]

Man, I literally learn something new with every single video of yours I watch!

[@DKCustomProducts]

That is great to hear!

[@rcnut64]

I have a 2015 Road Glide CVO. I’d like to add a tuner to it. Previous owner added larger cams for more torque in mountain riding. Which is the best for it?

[@DKCustomProducts]

You can see the tuners we offer at this link www.dkcustomproducts.com/efi-tuners-c74.htm If you would like help choosing which one please email our customer service at [e-mail] or call 662-252-8828. Thank you for watching

[@Musicman1960]

What works with the screaming eagle 2014 CVO Road King?

[@DKCustomProducts]

All of the tuners shown in this video can be used with your 2014 Road King CVO. You can see them at this link - www.dkcustomproducts.com/efi-tuners-c74.htm Please feel free to contact us with any questions; [e-mail] 662-252-8828 Thank you for commenting! MB

[@Greenmachine305]

FP3 is good for stage 2. It has a cam selection option and it will allow the user to select custom values in every field that the PV does.

[@DKCustomProducts]

FP3 is no longer available. Only the FP4, and they do support some cams.

[@Greenmachine305]

@@DKCustomProducts I just bought an FP3.

[@DKCustomProducts]

@@Greenmachine305 Old stock. Someone still had it in inventory. V&H quit making them well over a year ago. You can see V&H is buying back FP3's, when you buy and FP4 at this link- www.vanceandhines.com/fp4-tuner-landing/ But, the FP3 should do you fine. Thousands used it for years and were very happy with it.

[@Rick-Williams59]

I would love to buy a Dynojet Power Vision, but when the price went from $469 to $750 overnight, that thought went out the window. I even checked out buying used, but people think they're made out of gold now. I'm running the FL-VIED right now and the product seems to work ok on a stage 1.

[@DKCustomProducts]

Yeah, it is crazy how much they went up. The XiED and ViED products are looking pretty attractive right now. FP3/FP4 also. Good to hear the FL-VIED's are working well for you.

[@sethg8501]

Have they come out with maps yet for the FP4 with a cam swap?

[@DKCustomProducts]

Yes, they have tunes for some, but not all. You will need to call them and ask if they support the cam you are interested in. www.dkcustomproducts.com/v-h-fuelpak-fp4-efi-flash-tuner-w-auto-tune-for-stage-i-ii-s-dk-vh-fp4.htm

[@xc8487]

I love my mechanical tuner, the venerable CV.

[@DKCustomProducts]

Yep, it was a big step for us, about 13 years ago, to delve into the EFI world. I resisted it for years, and still find myself missing it now and then.

[@fredflint1797]

I bought a 2016 FLTRU, V&H headers and mufflers. Screaming Eagle air filter. Houston gets way too hot. Looking first at your air filter options. When I vent the breather away, will I need to tune before riding? No plans to stage up. I'm primarily interested in reliability, durability, and ridability. What tuner do you recommend? Or a dyno tune? Technology-challenged panhead educated.. filter relocation, oil cooler and fan plan, too, possibly first?

[@DKCustomProducts]

Adding an External Breather System does not require any change in the tune. If you have a good tune already, it will still be good after the addition of the EBS. We like and use the Power Vision, which you can see at this link- www.dkcustomproducts.com/dynojet-power-vision-flash-tuner-w-auto-tune-dk-pv-cmp-pkg.htm Dyno tunes, especially on a Stage I bike, are hit and miss, and very expensive. Better (and less expensive) to stick with a Power Vision. Where to start on cooling it down is dependent on what kind o f riding you do. Mostly in town, stop n go, mostly back roads or interstate? A mix of both? Feel free to call or email us and we can let you know what we would do, given your circumstances. [e-mail] 662-252-8828

[@1986devildog]

If I understand correctly the HD SE tuner is the only tuner of the four you mentioned that will not void manufacturers warranty. Please correct me if wrong. Thanks

[@DKCustomProducts]

There are ways to use the Power Vision that will not void the MFG. warranty. Here is a video on my thoughts regarding OEM warranty since 2017. kzbin.info/www/bejne/pmm4ZYupfd51q8k

[@jbonjo2808]

Once again, another informative video, thanks! I look forward to seeing the more detailed one for tuners when it comes out. I have an '03 FLHRCI with a Stage 1 that I'd like to put a tuner on. No plans to do any further upgrades. Looking at a V&H Fuel Pak, but the version for my year/bike doesn't seem to have all the features (i.e., cell phone link) that the FP-3 has. Any thoughts?

[@DKCustomProducts]

Unfortunately 2003 was the early years for Harley in EFI. I just went looking to see which ECM your bike uses, and it is not even listed as available on the microfiche. It is definitely not picturing the ECM that is currently in use, so it seems to confirm what you have already been told...the current crop of tuners do not look to be compatible with your EFI. Sorry I could not be of more help.

[@fililoboesparza5784]

I have a 2016 H-D FLSS with a Stage-1, S.E. Smart auto tuner, S.E. Slip ons, External Breather System. Will the Nightrider work for my bike? And if so which one?

[@DKCustomProducts]

Your smart auto tuner works in conjunction with non oem wide band sensors...completely different set up than stock the XiED products are made to work with the OEM narrow band sensors...not compatible.

[@fililoboesparza5784]

DKCustomProducts Ok thanks for getting back..👍🏻👍🏻

[@boscodog4358]

I ride on long Turing trip . My after market ECM fails and the Harley dealership is just down the road, how do I get my bike up and running again.

[@DKCustomProducts]

Put your OEM ECM back on the bike and you are back up and running.

[@kevindelk]

Will the power vision void the harley warranty if used just for monitoring and not actually retuning it?

[@DKCustomProducts]

Using the Power Vision to monitor will not void the factory warranty.

[@frankcombe3944]

Is there a Xied for M8 touring

[@travislohneis224]

On my FP3 there’s an engine temp …what should my engine temp be? Mine said 235 and it was 60 degrees outside ….and should I do the auto tune?

[@DKCustomProducts]

Your engine temp if you have a Twin Cam should be 230 or lower, if you have an M8 your engine temp should be 250-260F for optimal performance and engine longevity. Here is a video on Optimal Harley Temps that you may find useful - kzbin.info/www/bejne/qIiylYSFqampbKM Here is a full playlist on why and how to cool down your Twin Cam and M8 that you may find useful/interesting - kzbin.info/aero/PLb3bvZgbH92_3s-2vv63QggFJ3nteFd_C Here is a written report that will also be helpful in understanding Harley temps and why they are so high and how to lower them- www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-the-twin-cam-engine-part-i-dk-cl-tc-dn-1.htm Here is a video on Auto Tuning that you may find helpful - kzbin.info/www/bejne/p4eoma2LZdiAj6c Please feel free to contact us with any questions you might have; [e-mail] 662-252-8828 Thank you for commenting! 😎 MB

[@travislohneis224]

@@DKCustomProducts I have watched that video what the auto tune will that cool it down?

[@DKCustomProducts]

If you read the report linked above (and below), you will see that if you have a poor tune right now (we have no way of knowing if you do or not) and you do some auto-tuning, it is good for cooling the ET down by about 10-15 F. Even if you have a good tune, doing an auto-tune is only going to make it better. There are a lot of other things you can do to cool your ride down....see link below and just start going down the list, starting with the free stuff first, and once you get it where you want, you're good. www.dkcustomproducts.com/why-how-to-cool-down-your-twin-cam-engine-part-ii-dk-cl-tc-dn-2.htm Also, here is a video that you may find very useful- kzbin.info/www/bejne/pWS3ZKx3bqd-rac KP

[@269-cowboy9]

What stage would you consider a 03 SE deuce has a 95b comes with a cam up grade and I changed the exhaust and intake.

[@DKCustomProducts]

03's came with an 88 cubic inch, so if it is larger than that, you have a Stage IV upgrade.

[@269-cowboy9]

@@DKCustomProducts I know it has the big bore, cams, intake and exhaust but it was tuned already but 10 years or so ago. Didn't know if buying a tuner would really benefit it or not

[@DKCustomProducts]

@@269-cowboy9 It probably could benefit from a tune, especially if you have not been running an External Breather System. Unfortunately, the EFI tuners we have only work on 2007 and up EFI bikes.

[@269-cowboy9]

@@DKCustomProducts yeah I can get a tuner but can't run Auto tune due to no O2 sensors but oh well thanks for your time and keep up the great videos

[@blair5plusmotorcycles396]

Stock M8 107 with baffles deleted what tune do I put in my bike in the Vance and Hines FP3

[@blair5plusmotorcycles396]

With 606 outlaw

[@DKCustomProducts]

We have used the twin slash slip on with the standard baffle with good results.

[@James-fk2sb]

The FP3 doesn’t need to stay on bike. Also it can work on any stage you just need to call Vance and Hines and they will have maps to send you to your phone. Then you flash bike with new tune. Remove tuner all done. Maybe someone already said this i dont know. But FP3 is a great choice with no computer needed.

[@DKCustomProducts]

Yes, agreed! The FP3 has been discontinued, and replaced with the FP4, which is even better. See details here- www.dkcustomproducts.com/v-h-fuelpak-fp4-efi-flash-tuner-w-auto-tune-for-stage-i-ii-s-dk-vh-fp4.htm

[@James-fk2sb]

@@DKCustomProducts the FP3 is still avaible I use it on my fatboy lo currently and they can download any map also can be removed off bike as soon as it’s flashed. The fp4 is a bit different from FP3 is what Vance and Hines says

[@DKCustomProducts]

@@James-fk2sb Support for the FP3 is still available, and there may be stores that still have inventory of the FP3, but V&H has stopped making them.

[@kevindelk]

I've seen you talking about oil temp, but how are you monitoring that with the power vision?? I don't see that as an option in the list of guauges which is the main reason I purchased one so I can see how the cooling changes are doing on the bike

[@DKCustomProducts]

We monitor two different, crucial, temps. Oil with a dipstick that has a temp gauge built into it. Cylinder Head Temp (which is displayed on the Power Vision as ET) to give us the same reading that the ECM uses to monitor engine temps. Here are a few of videos on the subject that you may find useful- kzbin.info/www/bejne/ZqfFhZ6Iq6uUbpI kzbin.info/www/bejne/qIiylYSFqampbKM

[@kevindelk]

@@DKCustomProducts excellent. Thank you

[@NoName-xf2nf]

Haven’t had time to install my ex breather yet being a truck driver it hard to do for self but I got the filter one from DK

[@DKCustomProducts]

Thanks man, appreciate your business. I believe your bike will like the upgrade. Thanks for your work getting stuff moved around the country for us.

[@NoName-xf2nf]

Thoses words mean a lot man

[@DKCustomProducts]

@@NoName-xf2nf Being on the road as much as I am, I have grown a very high level of respect and appreciation for truck drivers, especially good ones. Many folks don't realize, as they go about their daily business, that virtually all the conveniences they have got to them, one way or another, by someone who was away from home and on the road dealing with many folks, that to be charitable, have careless driving habits....plus all the other challenges of driving a truck. Stay safe out there!

[@sprfly5638]

Any thoughts on the vented oil cap, fueling and mad monkey?

[@DKCustomProducts]

They accomplish almost the same thing as the External Breather Systems, only more expensive and more installation and maintenance hassle & with them you still get oxygen depleted air into your intake, preventing a full clean combustion cycle. www.dkcustomproducts.com/breather-systems-c21.htm A vented oil cap will help relieve some pressure from an engine with an oil pump that is not scavenging correctly, or one that has bad rings/cylinders...but I would fix the problem vs. putting a band-aid on it.

[@Will8022000]

great video

[@DKCustomProducts]

Thanks! Glad you enjoyed it.

[@NoName-xf2nf]

Ok thanks kevin

[@robertschwerdtfeger5880]

Do I have to uninstall my screaming eagle pro tune or can I write over it with the dyna power vision.

[@DKCustomProducts]

You can overwrite it. You can also save it before you overwrite it, just in case you ever want to go back to it.

[@robertschwerdtfeger5880]

Thanks for your response.

[@bajarvcouple]

Tune it up!

[@DKCustomProducts]

👍

[@mattlinderkamp9489]

Have to use the screaming eagle to keep my lifetime powertrain warranty. Am I safe to go to a harley stage 2 on the milwaukee 8?

[@DKCustomProducts]

You're "safe" with your lifetime warranty...only thing you could be out is missing riding time while they work on it. '17's and '18's have a higher % chance of sumping, and when going Stage II or higher, the chance increases.

[@jimscycleandautotn8508]

Harley warranty is expensive toilet paper.

[@NoName-xf2nf]

Kevin how about the thunder max

[@DKCustomProducts]

Good question. I have not used the Thundermax personally. I have worked on bikes that have it, and talked to a lot of folks that use it. Some love it, others hate it. It is not a tuner in the sense of a FP3 or Power Vision. Those two work with the factory ECM. The Thundermax replaces the factory ECM.

[@LonesomeNomad137]

Who’s bike is that ?

[@DKCustomProducts]

That is Kevin's 2012 "Deluxe" Heritage Softail. Here is a walk around video of it- kzbin.info/www/bejne/aXqvk4d9f9aJn7s

[@LonesomeNomad137]

@@DKCustomProducts I just watched the video, very cool bike. I’m looking at a 2000 Heritage right now. Only 3700 miles on it. I might have to jump after watching your video.

[@DKCustomProducts]

@@LonesomeNomad137 Might be difficult right now, but there are big differences in how different year Softails ride. That is crazy...only 3700 miles.

[@LonesomeNomad137]

@@DKCustomProducts a Harley guru I know said to look for a 2010 or earlier. He said they made frame changes on the 2011’s and newer. I didn’t really follow him on what those changes were. When I bought my 05 Super Glide I thought it was the deal of a lifetime, it only had 2502mls. But the bike, although never abused was neglected, which can be as bad. The tires had 90% tread but were 15 years old. Battery and plugs were original equipment. I brought it to a local HD dealer and they charged me $500 and missed everything. I wanted to make sure it was safe. I’d bring this one right to my performance shop and make sure it’s solid. I hate not having one, even if I can’t ride yet, which I think I can.

[@DKCustomProducts]

@@LonesomeNomad137 The Softail Heritage frame did NOT change in 2011. It is the same frame in 2011 as quite a few previous years. I stopped checking after seeing the same frame part # for 2009, 2010, and 2011. The Touring model frame changed in 2009, and then again with BIG changes in 2011. The 2011 later bagger frames are MUCH superior to earlier years. Much less likely to experience the "bagger death wobble". More stable, less flexing, and better handling. Yeah, not being able to ride sux. After my accident I went from August til late November without riding. When I finally did ride in late November, it was amazing!

[@scottpeters2974]

Ok so, you are advocating to all your people that watch your Video's that they should Dump their Warranties with Harley. Everyone needs to be clear......the very first time that they take their bike into a Harley Dealer, and it WILL BE plugged into the data technician, if it sees a change in the ECM for the tune it will send the info to MOCO and that bike's VIN will be flagged..FOREVER!!! Also more fuel = less fuel mileage. My TC 103 got 31 mpg with the old style "tune it for power SE tuner. My new 114 with Torque cam, AC, SE mufflers with cats in them and a SE header system tuned with the SE street tuner made 98hp and 114 Ftq and still returns 43 mpg. It runs comfortable in the Florida heat. All under factory warranty. So just let the buyer beware, for 5-10 degrees less temp they are giving up far more than they will gain. And what data are you using for the mileage lifetime? I've already seen stock M8's with over 100,000 miles. Sorry I do not agree with your recommendations without giving the down sides of the changes.

[@DKCustomProducts]

The world is full of folks that put words in others peoples mouths...why add to it? Most of the statements you make as "fact" are inaccurate. We may end up doing an entire video just to clear up the misunderstandings that you (and probably many others) have.

[@scottpeters2974]

@@DKCustomProducts Okay, would love to hear! Thanks.

[@rollandklontz]

@@DKCustomProducts Some of his information may be inaccurate but it is a fact that if you put another tuner on your bike that is not factory or a SE tuner your engine warranty will be void the first time you take it to the dealer. You can usually get away with what ever exhaust and intake (if the manager is a dick he can still void your warranty) but you must use harleys tuner to maintain your engine warranty

[@DKCustomProducts]

@@rollandklontz Actually that is inaccurate on three counts- 1. A Power Vision tune can be put on a bike, then if the bike needs to be taken in for warranty, the original tune can be restored. There is no way they can tell the PV tune was ever on there. 2. A ViED can be installed, and it does not leave a trace 3, This is only a concern for 2017 and later bikes...after the collusion between HD and the EPA. Bikes from 2016 and earlier (that may still have an extended warranty) are NOT going to have the warranty voided because a tuner is on the bike.

[@tonyl8314]

@@DKCustomProducts I'm a fan of DK and enjoy your videos and products, however... you are wrong with point #1. If you take your power vision off prior to going to Harley, their software WILL detect you had at one point altered the tuner. Power vision themselves will tell you that.

[@marvelharris9540]

The FP3 does, in fact, give you the ability to tune for cams or stage 2 setups.... your information here is outdated.

[@lawnboyfromhell]

I just put an FP3 in a 2011 103 in which the cams where changed to S&S 551CE exhaust was changed to S&S Power Duals and Kerker 3.5 slip-ons with P.A.T. Baffles. I Flashed a map in, then emailed V&H the serial number, they emailed me back and said they tweeked mt map so open it up and flash it, then they asked me to run it up to 150Degrees and email them the map reading, (28) they emailed back and said excellent, run 2 tanks of fuel through it and if you feel it's not quite perfect yet, run the auto tune. Too much snow for all that yet, but the bike sounds damn good.

[@Heavy69Metal]

What if your running Screamin Eagle Pro wide band O2 sensors and a dyno tune?

[@DKCustomProducts]

All Screamin Eagle tuners, including the Pro with wide band o2 sensors, for M8's are EPA compliant, and by definition/design not going to give you a good tune. You might be able to get a good dyno tune from an independent shop, or from a Harley shop that is not concerned with following company policy of staying EPA compliant. Check out this video- kzbin.info/www/bejne/n6SleX5jf95qjc0

[@frankcombe3944]

Is there an X IED product for an M8 touring

[@DKCustomProducts]

No, there is not.