Cops Seize $40K from Man Going to Buy Truck - Ep. 7.409

Another example of Civil Asset Forfeiture - and why it should be abolished.
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[@rgjr.6055]

I always say, “do not count on the courts to protect our Constitutional Rights.”

[@rockymntain]

Officers of the court are there to protect the court. Your rights are the last thing they will protect, if at all.

[@dochvtech22]

Look up Gene Kim n Chuck missler on KZbin

[@rlwright2002]

I absolutely agree. You are guilty until proven innocent b*******.

[@lesterryanmd]

Wake up! What Constitutional Rights? "The constitution is just a piece of paper" even US president (Bush) made the observation publicly.

[@lrodriguez6691]

@@lesterryanmd You have no rights....you only have temporary privileges.... George Carlin

[@Pisti846]

How civil forfeiture was ever declared constitutional is beyond me.

[@johnwilcox3013]

Let me lay it out for you, this is just an educated guess, but id be willing to wager serious money that its very close to the truth. There is a law enforcement agency that stops some poor bastard for some minor traffic infraction, the cops intimidate or violate or bluff him into a search of his vehicle and they dont find drugs after the K-9 unit comes and gives a false hit on the walk around, but they do find a significant amount of cash, so they manufacture some charges, arrest him, tow the vehicle, and confiscate the cash as evidence of a criminal enterprise.Then fast forward to they have not been able to prove the guy is involved in any way in any criminal activity now or ever, abd the judge has ordered tbe law enforcement to give him his money back. Fast forward a little more, the head of that law enforcement agency, the DA, and the judge get together and discuss how they could turn thst into a way to keep the money in the future. So the DA or the judge or both start talking to their congressman or a senator and they draft a bill that gives them broader powers to make it much harder to get your cash back but much easier to take and keep it for them. It goes before tbe house and passes, then the senate and passes, and they all negotiate their cut. And the next thing you know, BOOM, ITS RAINING IN THE CAPITOL. SO DOES THAT GIVE YOU A LITTLE MORE INSIGHT AS TO THE ORIGIN OF THAT PARTICULAR LAW?

[@raphaelandrews3617]

this is case of police using the law to steal from lawful people who need to use cash.

[@arontesfay2520]

Guys we need to write to our state representatives telling them to pass legislation that ends civil asset forfeiture. It's actually unbelievable this happens in America

[@NubianMysticalRareEssenc-ow4qt]

Like about 600 times, several yrs, including following up status, yrs later nothing has changed! Except worsen VIOLENT BRUTALITY, TERRORIZING, MANIPULATORS INCREASING THEIR "TAKES". INCLUDING FORCE HUMAN TRAFFICKING!!!

[@Lila_5451]

I agree this might actually help

[@-Jason-L]

I don't know what's worse - civil asset forfeiture, or the fact people refuse to believe it not only exists but is common.

[@gobigorange]

I was in a car wreck 6 months ago an knocked unconscious. The filthy pigs that worked the wreck helped themselves to $1500. In my wallet while I was unconscious.

[@hugoh.9694]

Yeah. I've been highway robbed too.

[@leighanneboles6609]

So sad

[@jamespeden1089]

Get a rope!😂

[@phoenixphyre1063]

Sign this or your going to jail?!? Guess I'm going to jail I'm not signing S**T.

[@wadestanton]

Can you say, "Sandra Bland"?

[@solutionsforabrightfuture3579]

And lose your job or business

[@napoleontheclown]

Then they would STILL steal his money, toss him in a cell, convince a judge that he is a flight risk (he literally flew in on a plane, your honor!), and wait a year to let him stand trial. Remember: If they're willing to steal 20 grand at gunpoint, they are willing to ruin your life because you made the process a little harder.

[@395PRS]

Exactly, you took my words!!!!

[@napoleontheclown]

@Jess Yess I'm not stating what I would or would not do. I'm pointing out the risks of getting arrested. Remember that this is a state that supported Joe Arpaio. Remember that police in the US are effectively above the law, that they can beat you senseless because they felt like it and you may not have any real recourse.

[@tayzonday]

Congress could easily legislate civil asset forfeiture out of existence. Or place limits on it to prevent abuse. Voting matters.

[@Hydra_Daily]

Dude I just wanna say you’re awesome and an integral part of my childhood 🤙🏼

[@stuartd9741]

Yes Congress could easily legislate CF out of existence. Yet cases like the above and there are many of them are still happening. It does appear to be a violation of ones civil liberties - people going about their lawful business. Considering, as Steve said, the courts have deemed CF *not* to be unconstitutional, this I would suggest, congress is happy for this to continue... Seize the profits from criminal activity by all means. Not steal from people going about their law abiding business.

[@mikepalmer1971]

does it really? I am not sure sure it matters in modern times. Do you really think over 80 million people voted for Biden? I am seriously consider that.

[@emjtucson]

Jeff Sessions, Trump’s Attorney General made Civil Asset Forfeiture easier after the Obama Administration put policies in place to make it harder. Yes, voting matters. Yes, Biden got millions more votes than Trump.

[@ST1300Jim]

@@emjtucson So is Biden going to make CAF harder again, or just let the Feds keep raking it in? I don't recall it being a campaign promise.

[@JadeyCatgirl99]

I really hope the courts start slapping down punitive damages for this. The police should at least have to cover the attorney's fees in these cases.

[@jondoes7836]

Translation: Government can do whatever it wants.

[@Bird76Mojo76]

I was super worried this would happen to me when flying on two different flights several years ago. I was carrying $15,000 cash on me to buy a truck. Both times I processed through the airports, I told them I had cash in an envelope, showed it to them and promptly shoved it back in my pocket. They let me through with no problem both times. Had it been taken from me, I'd go postal later on down the road. Someone would have paid for the theft of my cash. I'm a simple blue collar worker so $15,000 cash is a small fortune for me.

[@twoeightythreez]

Why carry $15k through an airport when you can just get a cashier check from your bank when you arrive? My bank charges $7 for it and it works just like cash. Not condoning Civil Asset bs in any case but Why take the risk?

[@Bird76Mojo76]

@@twoeightythreez Because I can, and I should be able to in America without worry. Plus the price wasn't agreed upon yet, so I took the full amount with me just in case. Having cash money was also a huge bargaining chip. I was able to talk him down in price to almost half his asking price, and even though he was on the fence about taking that low of an amount, once I started pulling out $100 bills, in the amount I would pay, he accepted very quickly.

[@Jonwayne777Iloveyouall]

@@Bird76Mojo76 aman

[@eugenemccarl145]

If you steal my money you had better not have a name tag on your shirt because you have now become my only mission in life

[@johnhiggs325]

@D RooR There is no declaration law, rule, or policy for domestic travel. It would clearly violate the Fourth Amendment. The only response one should give when asked by a government agent of any stripe if one is in possession of cash is, “I do NOT answer questions.”

[@codyfisher3706]

I love this guy! Sir your a hero. And yes pirates was right the first time. People like you are a weapon of knowledge that people can access for free online to help them from not getting their rights taken away from our corrupt government. Keep up the good work! 👍

[@raymondpetrovits2336]

Most of the TSA were working at Home Depot or some other non-police like career before they were elevated to this position of power. Sad.

[@jasongwinn28]

You know who stops you while you're traveling and takes what's rightfully yours? Thieves, pirates, thugs, and the like. People wonder why so many of us distrust and dislike "law enforcement" (because let's be honest, they're not enforcing any law in this scenario; they're abusing it.)

[@diablominero]

They should pass a law requiring the government to pay attorney costs when someone wins seized money back in a lawsuit.

[@harveywallbanger1738]

.... 'requiring the government to pay attorney costs' when anyone wins in court. After all, the government wasted your and my money on a fruitless prosecution.

[@lucassalazar4288]

THANK YOU STEVE!!! We appreciate what you do with your channel. People need to here these stories to understand what our government is up to.

[@dudeduderinoduderino9689]

DEA and TSA should be cleaned out. Stealing peoples money is evil and those that wanted to stop law abiding citizens suing to get their OWN MONEY BACK should be JAILED LOOOOOOOOONg time.

[@strategicservices9906]

I am ashamed of my country. This is just terrible.

[@johnhill3706]

I would love to be able to believe what we were taught in school. The government works for the people and is here to protect our country and the people in it. Unfortunately , I grew up and learned there are so many lies and misconceptions and untruths in our Society and government.

[@bewilderedmoron6737]

Civil Asset Forfeiture can also take non-cash items like cars, jewelry, or anything else you might have. To get them back, you have to post a bond and take it to court. It made some small town speed traps a lot of money from people passing through.

[@tilmangreenjr5765]

This happened in a town in north east Texas. A woman and her husband were travelling to Texarkana,Tx to buy a car. They were pulled over for a basic traffic violation. The officer searching them and the vehicle found a large amount of cash. I think around $3,000.00 . She was threatened to have her taken by CHILDREN PROTECTIVE SERVICES unless she relinquished trying to get there cash back. So a state representative has taken the law to the capital to change the law.

[@jasonarpy]

You made a great point about rewarding people who have changed their lives instead of punishing them for their past.

[@P_Mann]

For folks with credit union accounts, there are shared service centers that serve as national branches for local credit unions. “CU Service Centers” is one such that I’ve used for decades. This may help with Steve’s first tip.

[@yondu689]

They should make it where if the government loses the case then they should have to pay all your attorney bills.

[@jonathanrabbitt]

I think there needs to be a public website which (permanently) names and shames the officers who are involved in this practice.

[@mikehenrytomlinsonsenior4917]

That would be a good idea

[@dantadysak5485]

This is organized crime perpetrated by the police/government should be accountable to the people.

[@jeffxion]

Yes, my friends money was seized. It's only $3.000. There is no way in hell he'll ever get it back.

[@jeffmiller9798]

Only 3000$!

[@googleuser868]

That's walking around money on a road trip if you don't use credit cards! WTF!

[@yunofun]

That is why the average amount taken is only something like $1000, absolutely not worth fighting to get it back, it will cost you way more and take serious time just to even get them in court much less win. I remember reading somewhere that about half the asset forfeitures in MI one year was under $500, again they know you wont in general fight for that little bit of money because it will cost more to fight for it than it is worth, you also tend to not hear about hte little ones because who cares about the cops knicking someone for $300? And when it does make the news it is usually framed poorly, they will mention the money, and drugs or whatever reason the cops used, but leave out that there are no charges filed or anything like that.

[@Meinotchu]

The correct response is "arrest me then." And we'll see how well your "case" holds up in court. The only way this type of crap stops, is to call their bluff and rub their faces in it afterward.

[@stevelane6919]

I've met guys in the middle of the night that required " Civil Asset Forfeiture", they carried guns too.

[@JohnnyMn4monic]

In these situations, you simply refuse to sign the paperwork and tell them to arrest you. If they suspect you of a crime, of which there's obviously no evidence of you committing. Then it will be a false arrest and any property they seize will be detailed in the arrest paperwork. The reason they get away with this, is because of the paperwork that you sign. You NEVER sign anything, besides the item list when they book you in. You signing that paperwork gives them almost full immunity to do anything with that money. In this way you put the burden of proof on them to prove a crime was committed without evidence. The paperwork you sign is created just so they can legally take the money, without your signature that have no permission to seize It. That will matter in court

[@Dj.MODÆO]

I know 2 auto dealers/wholesalers who refuse to carry cash to purchase vehicles, because of civil asset forfeiture laws about carrying large sums of cash. God only knows how many deals they have lost because the seller didn’t trust a check.

[@yulmp2]

My father in law is building his dream Ford chop top. I went with him to pickup the rolling chassis. I asked him how he was paying? He told me cash. I began to explain civil forfeiture and how the cops can just take his money. He said he was never arrested for anything and that they would never take his money. I told him the police believe anyone who possessed $18k in cash is suspect and that they can and will take it with no proof of a crime. I’m pretty sure he still thinks I’m full of it.

[@LadyLexyStarwatcher]

Seriously, get cashier's check from a bank and have them clearly mark who it is for and what it is for. If the cops take it have the bank cancel it ASAP.

[@FavorGraceCharisma]

Thanks for letting the public know about this. I’m so glad I happened to see this video and I’m praying for you.

[@patyagecic3075]

I can't believe you didn't know this already, been going on for a long long time. Welcome aboard.........

[@tfoley7553]

This BS of Civil Asset Forfeiture needs to stop unless there is more than just having cash on you!

[@TubeRLH]

If they did something like this to me, I'm pretty sure there would be a movie about my story.

[@badmofo]

Same

[@reh3884]

Internet tough guy

[@drewjohnson4794]

Yeah you're probably A Trump voter who didn't ever dare to where your hat for fear of a bunch of freaks. Lots of keyboard valor though. Just like Trump.

[@seriouscat2231]

@@drewjohnson4794, you do not where your hat. You wear your hat.

[@mattgreen3715]

Right? I wouldn't blame you, this is like some killdozer worthy bs right here!

[@robertjeffery6100]

And the atrocity is he can’t sue them for the money he didn’t-make with the truck he wanted to buy

[@brianelsner4175]

If you have to travel with large amounts of cash, make a back withdrawal and have the bank put it in a sealed bank bag. That way it is tracked back to your bank and not loose cash from wherever.

[@goosenotmaverick1156]

About a decade ago, I got caught with a little bit of something that was currently illegal in my state, and is now legal. I had cashed my paycheck and had that cash on my person as well. They seized it as drug money, little over a thousand dollars (over a couple grams of marijuana and a small pipe) I had to take my pay stubs to court to prove that it wasnt profits of crime... it was whack. Luckily it was a plain and simple thing to prove, for me, over a thousand bucks, not thousands like it was here.

[@LucidDream34]

@@goosenotmaverick1156 guilty until proven innocent

[@atrujillo7836]

It's like putting a wrapper on a candy bar not really gonna stop them lol.

[@the1observer]

How to be a rich cop. Step 1: Find someone travelling with a lot of cash Step 2 : Plant 1 gram of weed Step 3 : ??? Step 4 : Profit

[@pauljarvis446]

Why would anyone carry around large amounts of cash?

[@tracytraub9800]

This is so wrong in so many ways and these cops need to be charged for robbery and do time for this.

[@fredericbastiat5653]

So is government now a racket?

[@PaprikaFaaOG]

Now? As in, since forever? Yes.

[@28cruzin]

Absolutely, always has been.

[@reathelmort]

More gang members than any street gang in the U.S.

[@heatherrrenea]

Armed pirates are running rampant.

[@ihatecommunism9958]

This happened to my Grandfather..it took him 8 months to get his money back. They even took him to jail. However, he could show where every single penny came from. They accused him of trafficking profits from illicit trade(drugs)..

[@whiteman-vh4lh]

Your money or your life.sounds like a robbery to me.

[@skymitch89]

This kind of thing is really annoying. My local PD took someone's Dodge Challenger because he was arrested for "suspicious activities concerning drugs"... He has been in jail for a few years and has yet to officially charged with anything. The local PD has since turned his vehicle into an "attraction" of sorts by making it a police vehicle that they hope will attract younger people to talk and engage with police.

[@nitchvideo]

Depending on the federal agency even after the agency looses and the judge orders the money released, they will ignore the judges order. Even after repeatedly being ordered to release the money they simply don't comply. Steve if you think I am making this up contact me and I will point you to the court records. It's not me that this happened to.

[@moguaiato5583]

he has a couple videos up already on that topic.

[@paulready8897]

I hope the man files criminal theft charges against the officers involved, as well as civil charges. The officers involved should all lose their badges and should be in prison.

[@danielholtzapple7124]

This does happen. There was a guy out west that was traveling to a casino with 40000 on him in a suitcase. Cop took the money and held it for 6 months to a year ( dont remember exactly how long). In the end he had to forfiet 10000 of that money to get the rest back. Insane

[@delano62]

About two months ago, I drove my Father in law to go buy a truck out of state. He was buying from an individual. After looking the truck over and talking price, he bought it. He then over to my truck, and pulled out a bag with $42.000 cash in it. I had no idea he had it in the truck. I almost had a heart attack when I saw all of that cash. We had driven more than 200 miles down I -35. And I was keeping it a bit over the speed limit. This could have happened to us. He thinks I'm crazy thinking this could happen.

[@furyofbongos]

Never consent to a search. Just say "I don't consent to searches."

[@wadestanton]

Can you say, "Sandra Bland"?

[@bradleypollack5658]

We have the highest incarceration rates in the world and we’re surprised by this. They should be going after these criminal CEO’s!!

[@bryanwilliams4620]

I'm surprised that cops don't stop everyone going into the auction and take their cash.

[@therealsilens]

Pre-auction "inspection" line! The cops should get on this ASAP. Think of all the auction items they could get with no one to bid against them!

[@need100k]

I had the same thought.

[@davem5333]

Officers that work in asset seizure units are evaluated and rated by the amount they seize. So there is a competitive pressure to grab money.

[@thirtythree160]

They wait and take it when they leave. Its harder to figure out who is going to an auction where as who is leaving an auction with cash is easy.

[@gmoritz71last52]

First: Don't admit you have any cash. Ever.

[@HollywoodHornet]

Road pirates and air pirates. What's next, water pirates?

[@28cruzin]

No, they were first. They used to hang pirates.

[@millomweb]

In England, when arrested you are read your rights - the right to remain silent. But if you don't tell them the password to your computer, you lose that right ! That's what happens, not what the law says !

[@writerinfact1768]

Criminal forfeiture at least makes a gesture toward due process: there's a criminal conviction in there somewhere. Civil forfeiture is theft, plain and simple. Obviously.

[@dynorat12]

but not if your a cop ,tsa, fbi and so on

[@jasonvogel4100]

It has been for a longggggggg time now......'GUILTY UNTIL PROVEN INNOCENT' !!!!!!! Just Damn!!

[@TowManDave00]

The game is rigged....And it is NOT in our favor.

[@opichocal]

Remember police are there to “protect and serve” Lol Lol Lol Lol Lol

[@flaxnor]

Why would he answer questions or allow them to search him. he had arrived at his destination. They had no legal way to get that man's money if he knew his rights.

[@danstory4286]

Never let anyone just take your money, no matter who it is. Stay strapped.

[@texastrustedoralsurgeon6830]

When the law enforcers become the criminals WE ARE DOOMED. At those auctions where people MUST bring cash the "asset forfeiture criminal cops" could make out.

[@philschiavone101]

Turn your life around and the cops never forget. For years I was pulled over weekly going and coming to work. If I didn’t let them search the car, they would make sure I would be late for work. I still needed to be to work at least an hour early just in case I would be pulled over. I had to move.

[@hgr.7857]

Jesus Christ, that's awful. Way to be, though, on making good & healthy decisions going forward & not letting that situation get ya down. That really sucks you had to move to avoid the harassment.

[@drizler]

That’s harassment and extremely illegal. You should have filed a complaint ( Yea I Know🤥) with the police chief and city councilman, mayor legislator ect . Those stops are all recorded you know. Also they can’t legally pull you over unless there’s some sort of infraction or violation apparent to them. Yea I know they can make them up but when the same couple cops do it over and over someone’s gonna start leaning on them upstairs.

[@simplywonderful449]

Had a coworker who had the same problem due to speeding tickets, of all things. He had a BMW and I had a Honda, so we traded cars for a month. He NEVER ONCE got pulled over driving my Honda, and I enjoyed his BMW very much for that month. But when I drove up to his house to trade cars back, I GOT PULLED OVER BY THE SAME COPS THAT WERE HARASSING HIM!

[@blacklivesmatter1734]

@@drizler if you file a complaint then all of a sudden you get pulled over and they mystery find meth in your car and if you keep complaining they k you and say you had a gun

[@majidifan5846]

That’s rotten of them. Can’t help but think that was the end goal however. You being gone...🤔

[@waynep343]

I am amazed that police don't stop people pulling out of bank parking lots on the first of every month

[@matiaanjansenvanrensburg771]

"...if you do that you make yourself a target for the pirates I mean I mean the police..." 🤣

[@JohnSpo]

I've been watching all of your Civil Asset Forfeiture videos and my blood is boiling. I can't believe (I guess I can believe it actually) that The Supreme Court ruled that it was not unconstitutional. It seems like mafia style shakedowns. So, if someone is out enjoying their expensive super car, let's say a Bugatti, and they're obeying the traffic laws, a couple of police officers see it and think "I'll be having that now" and pull the driver over for no reason they can say something like "we are seizing this car because we believe it is suspicious that you have such a car" and just take it from said driver? That is absurd.

[@rreiter]

Is it possible to "register" with TSA or DEA prior to travelling that you will be carrying a sum of money, in order to prevent this? When travelling internationally I used to register my expensive camera equipment with Customs before leaving so that it wouldn't be an issue coming back into the country.

[@jasonschmidt9246]

The police commonly say that they don't get involved in civil cases, unless it benefits them apparently.

[@Kune35]

It seems like they don't understand the guy won't just be suing to get the cash itself back, they also cost him additional money because he was a businessman on his way to invest in a TRUCK for his TRUCKING business. That's lost earnings and interference in his commercial business.

[@diegosilang4823]

Lack of probable grounds and unlawful seizure. A good lawyers should easily nail this one.

[@videogazer801]

Okay, but why should he only see about 1//3 of his money back if he wins?

[@xaphanofthenightfall1257]

8:38 We need more people like you on this planet.

[@alanrobinson4318]

Sounds like we're gonna need to take funds with us in the form of a cashiers check. Something that can be converted back to cash at the destination. That will leave only a single piece of paper in your wallet, that's indistinguishable from other notes in your wallet.

[@sirxanthor]

It's a fact, that a good amount of people with rap sheets have been completely innocent. They made the mistake of accepting a plea bargain, thinking it will end the issue they are in, but instead, make them target for other false charges. It's disgusting.

[@adrianmxmx]

If you sue, the money spent would set you out of the money. Potentially lower than what the THIEVES took.

[@tearoftaste4183]

I'm a airport police officer and get called to the TSA Check Point at least twice every six months for bulk cash over 10K. We just take a report and call Homeland security to see if the person is on any watch list and let them go with the cash. However if the person is currently on probation for any drug trafficking charge we will seize it. My best advice if you need to travel to purchase a expensive item vehicle whatever get a cashiers check. But I'm just as angry with this video as anyone else taking someone' s money without arresting them is BS.

[@davidweber5922]

11 years ago I purchased a truck with $12k in cash. I was driving a long distance to look at it and I knew I would be haggling with the seller over price. I didn't want to do a separate trip and my bank didn't have a local branch to do a cashiers check or such. I am not so sure that I would do that again.

[@Maninawig]

Now as a Canadian, I am scared for travelling to USA cause what chance does a foreigner have with the CAF?

[@harrywilliamson7043]

I-10 going through southern Louisiana use (and probably still is) to be notorious for this kind of crap, targeting vehicles with out of state plates (that just makes trying to recover property even harder)

[@tonialbritton251]

I sold a club house in 1 state for $35,000. Cashed the check at it's bank. Got lucky and they had the cash to do it. Drove to my home state, which was a few states away. we drove through a county that had this stupid daylights on in your car while driving ordnance/law???? . cop searched the car found the money. He asked alot about it. But I had a copy of bill of sale with a notary, and the withdrawal slip from the bank. I kept my money but I got the ticket. When you travel with lots of money. Keep proof of where you got it and you should be ok.

[@scipher99]

This is why you let them arrest you and make them prove the case.

[@swamprat69er]

You had it right the first time...Pirates. Thieves.

[@dash4800]

This was a straight up shakedown. Everyone involved in this should be imprisoned for life. Zero tolerance for corrupt public servants.

[@Remrie]

"No laws were broken until the police arrived" - Steve Lehto

[@brandoncuts82]

He said you make it possible for the Pirates .... Oh I mean the Police to steal your money and they were so nice to give him 500 of it back smdh that shows they knew what they were doing was wrong. Piece of shits

[@johnhughes1783]

Amen

[@justicejames8023]

@@brandoncuts82 well bless their hearts

[@cleverusernamenexttime2779]

And I wonder why so many cops get killed

[@gradyhernandez4699]

Gaaaww!!

[@nolongeramused8135]

We should stop using the word "seize" when "steal" is obviously more accurate.

[@jayhockley8841]

Once I was robbed by a guy in a parking lot . no wait , he didnt " rob " me .. He just " seized " my money . lol

[@nolongeramused8135]

@@jayhockley8841 That money was obviously guilty.

[@steveroe6771]

Actually, the proper phrase is "confiscated without evidence."

[@nolongeramused8135]

@@steveroe6771 aka "theft"...

[@christopherhelms7290]

Yep. You have money, and they have guns and the power of the state backing them, so the state robs you. Even though the truth is cowering behind a wall of legal flim flam, it really is that simple.

[@kevinwaddle447]

This type of thing is what causes "kill-dozers" to happen.

[@freakbiker]

That was awesome and I wish more often

[@basstyant]

That dude is my spirit animal

[@tomh9391]

Hey I'm in automotive & light duty diesel technician in California and I have a driving infraction that happened in 2008 and was taken off of my record 5 years ago but they're still sending me s*** in the mail from the court for it randomly and new years eve I got stopped at a D.U.I. checkpoint and the officer told me I have a misdemeanor warrant regarding the issue. The fine was paid( with receipts to prove it) did the traffic court B.S. and dealt with the extortion similar tactics of DMV and my insurance company comparing notes before calling me for more fee's allegedly due even though a judge already signed off on the "all clear" paperwork including sealing the case. don't put any dumb ideas in my head LOL cuz that's totally something I could do 🔥😅😶

[@Kune35]

@@tomh9391 If I could put an idea in your head it would be learning what sentences are lol.

[@djaydeved]

@@tomh9391 yeah, you may be able to make a kill dozer but your in california, they gonna get yer ass for emisions not to mention hemyer had guns in his dozer, your in california the home of the fucked up 2nd amendment

[@TheMicroTrak]

You call it "Asset Forfeiture" I call it "Privateers with Letters of Marque"

[@ragmon1000]

ter•ror•ism tĕr′ə-rĭz″əm► n. The use of violence or the threat of violence, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political goals.

[@ragmon1000]

What Steve calls a cop, I call a terrorist.

[@meMiner]

Road Pirates. ;-)

[@uttcftptid4481]

You've hit the nail on the head.

[@akallio9000]

I call it "armed gangsters wearing their colors".

[@BigTex8319]

A similar thing happened to my friend. He served in the Army for 26 years and saved every penny he could when he retired he bought a new house for himself and a house for his parents and paid cash, the realtor had no issue with this. When he went to buy a new car he told the dealer "I'm not financing, I'm paying cash", the dealer said "I need to see ID and the cash", so my friend grabs the money from his car and shows him his military ID, so the dealer says " I need to get manager approval for this". So, my friend is waiting and suddenly a bunch of cops pull up with lights and sirens and the dealer points at my friend, they put him cuffs, take his money and take him to jail, they never read him his rights, they saw his military ID, put him in jail for 3 weeks without letting make a call, he finally tells the guy in the cell next to him who's about to be released to call a lawyer for him. The lawyer shows up furious, demands his release, he tries to get his money back and they don't have it, he demands reimbursement and they refuse, turns out after an investigation the money was given as a department bonus. He sues the PD for $150,000 and the judge decides it isn't enough and gives him $300,000, and the chief got fired along with the arresting officers. Oh, and their excuse for arresting him was "he must be a drug dealer" even though they saw and ran his military ID.

[@kennykardashian4532]

Good deal at the end but going through all of the bullshit and it probably took a long time, the judge should of added that he could punch the cops in the face and the pople at the car dealership

[@TubeRLH]

I would find someone with a monster truck to drive over all the cars at that car dealer.

[@jeremycable51]

@@kennykardashian4532 no what should’ve happened is every day those assholes cost him in jail they should have to do two themselves

[@dsimon33871]

Oh Scot... I am so glad that story had a happy ending! I kept reading and dreading...

[@jjjsmith2497]

What happened to the car dealership manager?

[@BoomerangC10]

As a cop, civil asset forfeiture is one thing that really pisses me off. Yes, sometimes people are up to no good and items should be seized but if someone hasn't been charged with a crime they should be able to keep their money. It is nothing but theft that the Supreme Court has said is legal. It is ridiculous.

[@jl1399]

Exactly

[@Lacesout2529]

It may piss you off, but as a cop, you would take that person‘s money and claim you’re just doing your job!🤢

[@roncatman6236]

Dont lie, you like it.

[@circuitsandcigars1278]

I used to think we lived in a country that I was innocent until proven guilty but Civil Asset Forfeiture disproves that

[@garymartin9777]

Guilty is a criminal law concept. CIVIL asset forfeiture isn't criminal and that's the problem. You don't have any criminal rights.

[@ghostest1719]

The more you pay attention to how the legal system in USA works, the more you realize how broken it is.

[@wadestanton]

So does requiring voter ID. Prove the person is guilty, Don't assume voters are doing so fraudulently.

[@circuitsandcigars1278]

@@wadestanton Voting is an essential process and to maintain integrity the people who are supposed to vote need to be verified regardless of who they are. Where I live we joke the dead get their vote but it does happen

[@wadestanton]

@@circuitsandcigars1278 you have been brainwashed by gov psyops. I have never been required to show an ID to vote in USA. I have been asked to show an ID to vote twice. Both times I asked for affidavit of residency (from the box full behind them). No Problems, lickedy split. Prove someone is a fraudulent voter. Don't assume voters are fraudulent.

[@skoronesa1]

The moral of the story is, when a LEO starts asking you anything you should probably let them kindly know that you can't discuss anything without a Lawyer present.

[@basspig]

"None of your damned business!" Is my response.

[@rockymntain]

Ask them if they are going to read you your Miranda Rights. Any questioning is an interrogation.

[@jjs34reset24]

How about forcefully refuse to submit

[@janinebryant8230]

I wonder what would happen if you just said "I'm calling my lawyer, he should be here in about 30 minutes.

[@sizier]

"The money is guilty not you." Are we going to start charging the gun for murder instead of the person who wielded the gun? This is beyond crazy.

[@freddysikes]

Well they are in a way. They take the guns because someone used it for nefarious reasons . Never blame the knife or the hammer just a certain type of gun .

[@robj2704]

?

[@Relkond]

As I understand it... (how this was explained to me decades ago) People have a right to a presumption of innocence. You don’t need to prove your innocence, the prosecutor needs to prove your guilt. Property is not people, and has no such right...

[@stevendorty1961]

They already have. I love the huge imagination of those who say immediately "a policeman" shoots and kills a criminal in a clear "self defense" situation that the first thing they try to restrict is gun ownership. A clear violation of the second amendment, "A well regulated Militia, (and) being necessary to the security of a free State, (and) the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, (and) "shall not be infringed". In 2014 Washington D.C. was attempting to keeping law abiding citizens from "keeping and bearing arms" (firearms). But the SCOTUS weighed in and their conclusion has been the same every time the question of fire arm ownership has come up for debate or scrutiny. The following page I found quite interesting a read. " www.businessinsider.com/the-comma-in-the-second-amendment-2013-8". My friend Stephen it all is insanity, fire arms do not kill people, every time i hear the left trying to "Infringe" upon our freedoms simple anger doesn't even come close to how I feel. For the left though they think that they are the only ones who should be allowed to have armed guards to protect them, and to keep and bear fire arms as well.

[@darthdu]

This is happening they charge the gun too. Winchester had to pay for mass shooting MGM the parent company to The Mandalay Bay hotel and casino payed 800 million for the Las Vegas mass shooting. All they did was rent Paddock a room.

[@thesisypheanjournal1271]

Every single person involved in taking somebody's money this way needs to have all of their money taken this way.

[@earlmarshall6543]

And ALL of their property

[@jamessteele1444]

And people wander y there r mass shootings. I know y. There r people being totally screwed all the time. They scream out for help, get none. Then lose it and flip

[@SheepAmongG.O.A.T]

IKR. The world of full of liars and thieves at this point, yet none of them want to be lied to or stolen from.

[@jamessteele1444]

@@SheepAmongG.O.A.T everything is backwards in this country now

[@SheepAmongG.O.A.T]

@@jamessteele1444 Upside down is probably a better term. What was once wrong is considered right, and what was right is now considered wrong. Isaiah 5:20 "Woe unto them who call evil good, and good evil; who put darkness for light, and light for darkness; who put bitter for sweet, and sweet for bitter!"

[@MNDrummer]

Yes, I agree 100%. End civil forfeiture. Clearly unconstitutional.

[@rockymntain]

Denial of due process.

[@lesterryanmd]

So what? There is nothing you can do about it, NOTHING!

[@williamvonschenk2273]

@@lesterryanmd Maybe your defeatist thinking is why you are defeated?

[@douglasschmidt2869]

@@williamvonschenk2273 Americans are having our rights eroded more and more every year. At some point we are going to get pushed too far and that point isn’t far off

[@dennishightower7671]

And we want to give all that money back the drug cartels and the drug dealers that's what that laws about Republicans don't think the law applies to them

[@reggiebenes2916]

Has anyone noticed that many of the things that have become commonplace in the U.S. now, are things that we were once told happened in the scary USSR?

[@edwardmiessner6502]

And our parents or grandparents were told happened in scary Nazi Germany. A 1947 Government film "don't be a sucker" shows a scene where a bunch of Nazi cops beat someone with batons. Back then they called it unconscionable. Today we call it Tuesday!

[@SlimShady771]

It's being done on purpose. Communism is partly here already and going to get worse.

[@charlesmwangi5834]

The Babylon Bob Marley talked about

[@ThatGuy182545]

It’s okay to call them pirates Steve, it’s what they are.

[@petero2693]

Too nice..3rd world nazi thugs.... but here in the supposed free country.. where you are innocent until proven guilty..its a lie.. wake up

[@earlscheib7754]

A.C.A.B.

[@earlmarshall6543]

@@petero2693 Precisely! In the past you were innocent until proven guilty, but now a days, we the Citizens are automatically guilty of anything the Cops want to pin on us at any time.

[@StevenLockey]

Please don't insult pirates like that!

[@paulforester6996]

Highwayman is the proper term.

[@bradart7289]

I travel with cash that was legally earned. I visit my kids and grandkids and we have a fun time. I am 80 yrs old. I have lived. If I am pulled over to be robbed, I will take someone out. Nuff said!

[@slimpickins9124]

& what will you say to God?

[@johnvanegmond1812]

@@slimpickins9124 I don't think God wants me to be a victim.

[@slimpickins9124]

@@johnvanegmond1812 "I don't think", you are correct.

[@johnvanegmond1812]

@@slimpickins9124 I also think that if I pay attention, God will guide me in ways to avoid situations like these. Generally speaking.

[@dennis1680]

@@slimpickins9124 I was protecting my property rather than lie or be put in jail God. And God said " @SLIMPICKEINS is that broke down, dirty, smelly, pitiful guy sitting on a sharp rock just outside the gates, yup, the one with the tin cup"

[@deborahlambesis5248]

When I was back in high school in the late 1970s, one of our assignments in US history class was to write a hypothetical letter to a colleague in the Soviet Union explaining how the US Constitution protected us from being deprived of life, liberty, or property by the government without due process. It’s extremely disappointing and frustrating to now realize that what I wrote was a lie. It’s even more frustrating that the US Supreme Court has sanctioned this lie.

[@deborahlambesis5248]

@Warren Higgins Civil forfeiture abuse didn’t start with the current administration. This issue also transcends typical right - left politics. Fortunately, ‘liberal’ civil liberties advocates and ‘conservative’ smaller government libertarians can, should, and will unite in opposition to these flagrant abuses of the US Constitution to bring this nonsense to an end.

[@markbrown8097]

In the1970s it was no where near as bad as it is now. The war on drugs that was ramped up in the 80s and 90s is what has lead to this.

[@thenormalyears]

its helpful that people are starting to realize it was a lie. only when the vast majority of the population is ready can we make it actually true

[@mannarmylie4195]

Ahhh...high school indoctrination. Good times.

[@kenwu7]

The United States is broke and needs people like your good self to stand as surety for the national debt all while robbing you in every way possible. And people thought it was just taxes. Ha!

[@bearman1135]

Just another perfectly good reason to never ever answer questions from a police officer!

[@SnookOnTheFly]

They warn us right in the Miranda rights. ANYTHING you say CAN and WILL be used AGAINST you. Nothing you say will be used for you.

[@jamesroales2684]

Exactly. How do these bastards find out you're carrying large sums in the first place? People tell them.

[@roberthamilton9245]

Yeah, I said nothing and it cost me $20k in attorney fees

[@Executiveinvestments-]

@@roberthamilton9245 huh? Yeah right. No attorney would charge you 20k for a minor crime. Nice try.

[@Executiveinvestments-]

What they don’t tell you is the guy is a drug dealer and the money got seized. Drug dealers buy cars just like everyone else.

[@patcon314]

They also seize your money away from where you live to make it inconvenient to sue them. If you're from NC and they seize it in AZ so you have to travel across the country for any suit.

[@byronwatkins2565]

It is crazy that we LET our government do this to us.

[@sfm45]

Deduct it back as taxes paid!

[@godsamongmen8003]

If a burglar has a gun in your face and twenty friends for backup, you'll let him do whatever he wants so he doean't kill you. I don't know if people will ever stand up to police in large enough numbers to make a real difference.

[@byronwatkins2565]

@@sfm45 If I had a year where I paid $40k in taxes, I could better afford the loss...

[@byronwatkins2565]

@@godsamongmen8003 It is our votes and other political support that ultimately permit this. If together we demanded the laws be changed, then the laws would be changed. If we voted out those who allow the law to exist, we would eventually get representatives who change the law. I did NOT say "we let the police do this;" I said we let OUR GOVERNMENT do this.

[@godsamongmen8003]

@@byronwatkins2565 When the "government" does something, you're talking about police. If every cop had a heart attack and died right now, nobody in government would have any power.

[@goldennugget1014]

It’s been over 20 years now but I had my car stolen and it turned up in another city and was taken to the police impound. The police impound charged me over $400 for towing and impound fees. I felt more ripped off by the police department than the thief who stole my car! 😡

[@Alphahydro]

My stepson was killed in our car and we had to pay to get the car back from the pound, smh.

[@simplysavvylife]

Yup you have to pay for someone else stealing your stuff. Makes sense. 🤦‍♀️

[@mattlane2282]

@@Alphahydro okay what does one have to do with the other? shit costs money...

[@lennymarks9574]

Yea the cops are as corrupt as the criminals.

[@existinginaspace8347]

@@mattlane2282 It costs them absolutely nothing to store it there. The only charge they incur is the tow

[@bmoraski]

This seems so unbelievable. Why isn't this, forget it. I don't even have the words. God help us.

[@ejb5034]

Don't worry. 4th Amendment? No big thing. After all having them not screw with the 2nd is worth the - FREEDOM! What fucking freedom when bullshit like this is LEGAL? It's like having to "Show zee papers!" when your plates don't match the state you're driving in and, god help you, you're going to lose no matter what.

[@christianmotley262]

You'd better call on someone that knows you...

[@emerg0n0see]

I’m with you. No words.

[@albertwesker2050]

Cops are gestapo now. When you see people wanting to defund the police... this is why! They have too much power!

[@frankinstein6456]

God isn't going to help you. you need to help yourself