Core 2 Quad Windows 98 3Dfx Voodoo 2 Retro Gaming PC

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[@dreammfyre]

I know I keep saying this, but man, I need to build one of these and have it set up permanently. Late 90s, early 2000s are the absolute golden-age of PC gaming, IMO.

[@jessed0308]

amen

[@nicholsliwilson]

Windows 98 can only make use of 1 CPU/core/thread channel, however 1 core, 1 thread from that CPU will still easily surpass anything it would have run on originally. This would make a great multi-boot system. Win98 may only see the first CPU pipeline and PCI slots but Win XP will see all pipelines and the PCI-E slot. Thanks for the tip on 3Dfx tweeker. Also, “olden goldies,” Phil? Love it! 😄

[@nicholsliwilson]

@@camthesaxman3387 yeh, PIII was significantly more efficient with a much shorter instruction pipeline. P4 did improve over it’s many iterations but PIII was a great starting point for developing the Core series.

[@PierreVonStaines]

How can you dislike this video?! Phil's giving you nothing but possibilities to keep Windows 98 gaming alive!

[@Snow1998v1]

becuz ppl are stupid and haters gonna hate

[@rdxdt]

@@Snow1998v1 I disagree, pentium 4 with an i865 chipset is cheaper than any core2quad build, the only thing stupid is use a SMP CPU on a OS that don't support SMP, and pay more for that(at least where i live pentium 4 builds can be done with equivalent to US$50. while it is possible to drop US$25 on a Core2Quad(just the cpu). Edit: i'm not against using s775 builds for windows 98, but using a Core2Quad ? i'm pretty sure that pentium d and socket 775 pentium 4 will save you a LOT of money for a windows 98 build.

[@ZeroHourProductions407]

I remember the horror stories i could tell of trying to slog through with Windows 98 exceptionally well. And at least in my experience, XP with service pack 3 has enough DOS compatibility to overcome for any such older games that I actively care about.

[@eduardoavila646]

@@rdxdt Pentium 4 is actually kinda dumb for that build. P4's heat up too much, have a really low ipc and are in general uneficcient. Its way better to get a early core2duo at around 1.6-2.4ghz or even a coresolo wich has only a single core.

[@Konkretertyp]

@@eduardoavila646 As phil has mentioned in the video, you could just get a single-core celeron for that purpose. For me personally,something like this would make a good dual boot system with win98 and winXP. I had done something similar with a socket 939 Athlon X2 4200+ and it worked fine, the only issue i had was the agp radeon x1950 that had no drivers for win98. I just wanted to see my Voodoo 2 in action again and for that it was just fine. I will try it again with my core2duo a ati rage 2 and voodoo2 combination i have laying around.

[@gameboyexe303]

Next Video: Windows 98 on Intel i9 9980xe with 3dfx Voodoo. :D

[@AndreiNeacsu]

It has to be a Voodoo Rush card.

[@ascend7172]

Voodo banshee

[@m9078jk3]

How about Windows 95 with a S3 Virge 325 graphics card.

[@adventureoflinkmk2]

**insert the m.bison yes!! Gif or video clip here**

[@kbotev]

That CPU will bottleneck the Voodoo ;)

[@drzeissler]

the single celeron is a very interesting option!

[@jamisonlm3]

Who would've thought all those old computers I had, gutted and eventually tossed would have been worth something in the coming decades. Then again, they probably wouldn't have been worth as much if I hadn't tossed them. I'm glade I'm saving my first computer my dad and me built together. It was a 2.8Ghz Northwood P4, 512MB RAM and an ATI 9700 All in Wonder. It was all put into a silver aluminum Lian Li case. That damn blue power on LED was so bright! I got the motherboard, RAM and CPU from a company called Monarch Computer because they'd do a burn in test for you. I eventually upgraded to 1GB in the last few years when I rescued an old Gateway desktop out of a dumpster. Man, all that seems like forever ago.

[@warrax111]

I have Lian Li case too, black one. I've unplugged cable for blue LED it's best what you can do. And I've dimmed the red one too, with bit of black plastic tape.

[@yaboibruh3874]

Hi you inspired me to build my first pc

[@Y_Lim]

me either especially on 771 to 775 modification XD

[@chunye215]

There was a tool called fanspeed (NOT speedfan) for win98 that would ship with a driver called vhaltd.vxd, which basically makes the CPU halt whenever it was not under load. Made especially more modern CPUs run much cooler when idle.

[@daPabOu]

There were a few of these software that made use of the HALT instruction on the CPU to cool it down, especially during file transfers. A few of them: cpuidle, rain, VCool, ...

[@fb5601]

That CPU is better than the one I have on my main PC

[@SharkVaderYT]

Lol same

[@dylanringproductions160]

Man your videos are so informative and entertaining! I love these projects and I look forward to them! :)

[@georgez8859]

Great video to run 98 with newer hardware. Socket 775 parts are still a good way to build a system on a budget. Thanks Phil

[@LivingwithPerks]

Came here from EposVox's channel - I had this VooDoo card lol. Awesome work!

[@ProtoMario]

Man out standing work here!

[@markm0000]

I got a old Pentium 3 desktop and I'm never selling it. It's the last tangible thing I have from my childhood.

[@iceManSwag]

I remember I had a Pentium 2 450Mhz, 128Mb of ram I think, Intel board, Creative SB Live!, AGP Creative Riva TNT 2 Ultra 32Mb & PCI Diamond 3DFX VooDoo 2 12Mb. I remember my score with the TNT2 Ultra was about 1600 3D Marks in 3DMark 2000. So 8323 points in 3DMark 2000 would be unreal in those days! Really fun build you made for this video!

[@seshpenguin]

As always, an awesome build. I love how many options we have for retro games!

[@volf3r505]

@PhilsComputerLab -- It is not confused - the entire CORE /Core 2 line of CPU's are build from the ashes of PENTIUM 3 TUALATIN .... There were huge roars around the interwebz when GTA IV came out back in 2008 - initially the game read Core 2 DUO/QUADs as P III XEONs The entire Core 2/Core solo/Core 2 quad/CORE -i lineup is Family 6 - for comparison NET BURST is Family 15 and this family has never been heard again since it was discontinued about 13-14 years ago . Family 6 of Intel CPUs hails all the way back to 1995-1996 - if I remember correctly it started with Pentium PRO

[@bdhale34]

Steam had the entire unreal collection selling for less than a tenner a while back I had to grab it. Unreal Gold, Unreal 2, Unreal Tournament, Unreal Tournament 2004 and Unreal Tournament 3, all of them run under windows 10 on modern hardware.

[@adventureoflinkmk2]

Yeah, but you have to get around the wacky mouse controls on ut99.. search Google or duckduckgo for it

[@hansturpyn5455]

Unreal, one of my firs and favorite games. Also check the expansions "return to napali" etc... I still have my Voodoo 2 card on the schelf from back in the time. Its like an ornament, a piece of history, a fossil

[@philscomputerlab]

It is indeed a great game! I trid playing it properly on Voodoo 3 a while ago, didn't get far, found it very difficult, even on easy :P Guess I'm spoilt by modern games.

[@symol30872]

Fantastic video as always. Vintage parts are getting so expensive now I'm glad I started getting into it 3-4 years back when it was reasonable. This is a great option if your retro build dies and you don't want to spend a fortune fixing it or you're just getting into retro gaming

[@harisrizvanbegovic2728]

Everything was great. It reminded me on the old NVidia control panel from my youth age. Only one thing: windows 2000 may be worth of considering. Bravo!

[@PROSTO4Tabal]

I always loved win98, win xp, win7 and good old 775, some technology bits and pieces are just timeless. 775+win98 setup? definitely yes, thank you Phil, another great video

[@gandalfgaming5403]

Im still rocking Xeon X5460 8GB DDR3 and GTX 960. Can play almost every game.. 💖💖💖

[@callindocorleone5435]

Nice setup, you're awesome

[@pierregrobbelaar9116]

Really good project.I personally would like to see how voodoo 3 stack up in older games as that was one of my favorite cards back in the day.

[@PixelPipes]

Clever idea just using the PCI slots. Really frees up your choice of motherboards.

[@BoomBox02]

This is amazing. And to think, i have had a few HP SFF Pc's with core2duos in them just sitting there doing nothing. I have a few PCI low profile Geforce 2 cards that will fit nice into the case. They now have a new lease on life as Windows 98/ME gaming machines, thats assuming the install goes well without any hiccups.

[@1ManWrenching]

That’s a very cool build. Makes me glad I saved my last two Core 2 motherboards. I may put one of these together sometime soon.

[@georgemaragos2378]

Hi All I though i was going well with Win98 running SMOOTHLY on a Pentium 2 and connecting to most of my XP / Win7 / Win10 machines via cat 5. Well done Phil Regards George

[@Itsmuchmore]

Great project, we are looking forward to build our own retro gaming pc soon as want to play some 3dfx MMX games

[@marcins6071]

good work! I wish you 100k subscriptions :)

[@ShdxW]

Excellent video as always; fantastic stuff! Such a neat and practical idea. I will absolutely go about building something like this to take the place of my current pentium iii system (the ease of using a sata ssd is too tempting) once I get my hands on a pci voodoo card.

[@EnochDew]

Uncanny! I'm working on a socket 775 Windows 98 build (Pentium 4 3Ghz) with a Soundblaster Live! 5.1 (SB0100), Geforce 6200, and 128GB SSD. I have to admit it's not completely coincidence, as it has been influenced by your videos. Maybe I should make a video of it. It's a Micro-ATX build.

[@GatorMilk]

Use a 1GB SSHD instead, W98 cannot trim on an SSD, but it is handled by hardware on SSHDs.

[@mymediapc9521]

Nice work Phil! Awesome video! One thing of note, it detects it as a Pentium III cause that's the highest processor Windows 98 probably knows or that the processor responded to based 98's CPUID queries.

[@jangelelcangry]

I love old operating systems running on newer hardware.

[@fewyearsbehind9333]

Hey Guays. Hey Phil. You know whats up Phil? Whats up Guays? Thumb up Phil. Thumbs up.

Wussup :v

[@Henk717]

Very exciting, this inspired me to reassemble my old Core i5-2500 PC. Worst case scenario i got the spare lan party PC i planned to build anyway. Best case scenaro the YMF744 will work in it as well as Windows 98 and ill be able to slow it down enough for DOS Gaming. In a best case scenario ill buy a second PCI GPU for Windows 98 gaming for that machine and see if i can make it the ultimate timemachine. Because one system that can do MS-DOS all the way up to Windows 10 gaming on low/medium would be the ultimate dream PC of mine. I assume the likelyness it will work and play nice to be quite low, but given i have the parts anyway and its a fun hobby it won't hurt to give it a go.

[@Crylhound]

The raytracing looks awesome 😍

[@philscomputerlab]

3DFX ON

[@AxiomofDiscord]

Socket A around here is still rather hard to find. I got one that is doing alright one that needs some caps replaced on the motherboard near the power connector. Both boot the latter just tends to hardlock eventually sooner the more you push it. I think outside emulation my Pentium 4 system will be enough and it has plenty of cheap parts so I can keep my rarer stuff boxed up. I do have to thank you every time that I am commenting to you and mentioning that Pentium 4 you and a few other people walked me through getting it to cooperate. It is a cheap dell that does not support win9x out the box, but can be coaxed into it. Thank you for protecting my treasures and allowing me to retro game still.

[@nitinchopra4062]

Hi Phil, great video as always thanks. What I would like to see further is if you could put the 750 ti in there and create a win 98/ XP dual boot retro machine.

[@hangyang6332]

Love ur content m8, keep it up

[@solofalcon]

this guy lives 10+ years in the past and i love it.

[@WalnutSpice]

And here I am building a lil Core 2 Quad with a 750ti and SSDs. You got the right idea here

[@philscomputerlab]

LOL

[@u263a3]

This video has been very useful and informative!! Thanks for making this vid

[@Bearthedancingman]

Ha. This is super cool. I have an old Core 2 Quad Q6950 with a GT-440 1gb and 8gb of DDR2-1066 ram and a 750gb hdd @7200rpm. It's running Windows XP and Ubuntu. I use it to play classic Command & Conquer Red Alert.

[@jilianjing7549]

Gr8 video mate! I've personally got a HP DC5800 and they have drivers for windows 2000. Pretty cool in my opinion as I got it for free from a school.

[@KokoroKatsura]

A N I M E N I M E

[@ZeroHourProductions407]

Very cool. That said, I'm on the verge of hopefully having a board for a socket a build for a 400fsb xp 3200+. Even so, Windows XP is the oldest i think I would stick with for bare metal, unless by some miracle i can get myself a working 3dfx card.

[@zombee38]

You know your craft Phil !

[@pawelnotts]

This is quite interesting. It just gave new meaning to my old C2D setup I have in the attic! That CPU though - still can't get over how it went from 1.86GHz to over 3GHz on day one and carried on working flawlessly for nearly 6 years :) (Intel E6320)

[@JimProfit357]

I love the back to back videos of XP on Haswell, and 98 on Core2Quad, Although I was quite aware of such possibilites, I think this is really opening up people's eyes to see successful projects like that. Regarding DOS sound compatibility, would you say that the Aureal Vortex would be a better choice than the later Soundblaster cards? I'm always on the fence on that kind of build, to go with an Audigy 2 for the best 98 multichannel EAX sound, or to go with the Vortex 2 or YMF744, with some basic DOS compatibility and even a wavetable header on some cards...

[@philscomputerlab]

Yea every option has pros and cons. I think the first thing I want to look at is getting basic FM support. I think that should work pretty easily. Sound Blaster compatibility is much more difficult, the Vortex 2 is pretty high up there in terms of compatibility.

[@arnislacis9064]

This is real Ultimate Windows 98 PC, because it have one of the fastest, and latest Core 2 cpu.

[@GodOfGamingBG]

I have a test rig at the moment with a DFI LanParty NF4 Ultra-D mobo, Athlon 64 3500+, 2x512 ram, and heres the interesting bits, nvidia 7900GS pcie, audigy 2 zs, and an ageia physx card, I have win98se and winXP dualboot, getting win98se to work on that was a pain in the ass but it does work now. Win9x gaming performance is insane, even in glide games with nglide wrapper, but Im not too sure how the game compatibility would turn out, Ive heard lots of bad things about using nvidia 6000 and 7000 series cards for win9x gaming, we'll see, it's just a test build

[@nitinchopra4062]

i have the same with geforce 6800 gs AGP, the drivers are so screwed up that not even 3d mark 99, 2000 and 2001 one ran properly under win 98 and xp. so i have finally bought geforce 4 Ti 4200 128mb and everything works, even one the same driver version. System is athlon 64 4000+, ti 4200, 1 gb ram, audigy 2

[@GodOfGamingBG]

@@nitinchopra4062 running the 3d marks was the first thing I did after I got this to work, and they all ran fine, got crazy high scores in all of them

[@nitinchopra4062]

@@GodOfGamingBG thats great, one of the reason they have issues is due to the 6 and 7 series using a bridge chip for pcie to agp, but you don't have that issue since u have native pcie. i thought pcie was not compatible with wiin98, you are begin8ng to change that...

[@GodOfGamingBG]

@@nitinchopra4062 yeah, the driver wouldnt detect the card, had to edit it to manually add the card device string and then to manually force install it from the device manager, but got it to work

[@UndieingLust]

I love older computer with the Bare PCBs. Rather than the modern stuff covered in massive heat sinks and RGB Lights.

[@Konkretertyp]

Well, the massive heatsinks are necessary, but i agree with the RGB lights, it is just silly.

[@RWL2012]

barevids (audio channel) livestreams amplifier repair from an X5470 and here you are suggesting people install Windows 98 on a quad core 775/771 system :-P Edit: Your idea is a really good one for the reason you mentioned!

[@mikemac2188]

WOW this is quite impressive Definitely have an open mind I typically run a dual booted pentium 4 for my windows 98 and windows XP games however for my slower windows 98 games I have a compact K6 For some of the older programs and games that I run into problems with on the dual booted Pentium 4. This video Definitely gives me some ideas LOL.😎🍻👍

[@abcdefg9613]

You don't need to undetclock the cpu if you go for a celeron L. Back during the Northwood/Prescott days int cpus consumed more than most high end cpus nowadays.

[@philscomputerlab]

Depends on the game, a Celeron single core running at 1.6 GHz is still blistering fast. I know Expendable craps out, but there is a command line to fix the CPU bug.

[@theottergames1969]

I think this voodoo2 feels bit lonely there. It need second one to sli ;)

[@Kossays]

such a nice video phil, now i have hope xD, i was searching for expensive old parts, never find what i really need or want, now while im watching u im also watching my lga755 dual core or core 2 duo with ddr2 and no agp port that i have here. Time to save some money

[@pagb666]

Can't wait to get home and see how that voodoo scales up to oblivion when paired with that cpu.

[@pagb666]

Was not disappointed

[@MaTtRoSiTy]

Interesting project! :)

[@fgsaramago]

Last year I set out to build the best possible windows 98 PC. It's a socket 775, with an Asus Commando motherboard and an overclocked x3460 and 8gb RAM. Anything after a P965 chipset can have issues with Windows 98 so to play it safe I've stuck to P965

[@amigoface]

man ! that's win98 starting music

[@melodyze6247]

12 dislikes are mad because they cant build or know about hardware we grew up with.

[@reddev5420]

Olden Goldies ftw!

[@daPabOu]

I encountered the same problem with the SB16 Emulation device. It was an IRQ-relating thing. Had to specify them manually in the properties of the device and then voila, I had sound in DOS games ;-)

[@teknoman117]

I made the mistake of purchasing 2 GB of ram for my retro pc and had a lot of fun playing with the various hacks to get win98 to ignore beyond 512 MB so it'll actually run. I went with a Athlon XP 2600+, abit VA-10, and a Radeon 9700 Pro for my system (everything has native win98 drivers). It still crashes a lot under win 98 se, but it's rock solid under Win 2K. Thankfully most of my games work on win2k. Built it to play through all the Mechwarrior games since Mechwarrior 5 is coming out hopefully this year.

[@MGlBlaze]

This is pretty fascinating; I was under the impression that Windows 98 just wouldn't work with a multi-core CPU. But if it simply only uses one of the cores then that gives a lot of possibilities for multiple-generation PCs.

[@dave7244]

It will work. It just won't be able to use the extra cores.

[@eduardoavila646]

Yep, just like msdos, it ignores what it can't understand

[@MJ-uk6lu]

"then that gives a lot of possibilities for multiple-generation PCs." Not really. Chipset drivers and some other motherboard drivers would be pain in the ass to find and if system uses DDR 3, then I don't really think there ever was 512MB sticks available (Win 98 has limited RAM support). Core 2 stuff is probably the most modern to be able to work with Windows 98.

[@TheBigupz]

i just Bought a Dell XPS 630i chassy / psu, waiting for its original motherboard with a Core 2 Quad, and trying to fix a weird 9800 GX2 mid 2000 gaming will be a blast!

[@shiveringisles3509]

this motherboard seems a gem, DDR3 memory, IDE, floppy, can run Win 98/Voodoo 2. Sadly without the AGP slot, PCI versions of these old graphics card are harder to find depending on location. There are some G41 motherboards that have ISA slots but only support XP..

[@Matt08719801]

DG Voodoo on xp and 7 seems to solve a lot of problems with glide games , Moto racer 2 works real well on 7 ultimate 64 , plus the widescreen and filter options help spruce the graphics up a lot on bigger screens

[@petrkubena]

Just a month ago I created WindowsME/WindowsXP/Lubuntu multiboot system with Athlon XP, 512MB RAM and Velocity 100(Lubuntu is used as a backup/restore system, where with simple dd command I can backup whole partition with Win98/WinXP and restore it if becomes unstable). Later I switched to nvidia, because Velocity had problem displaying 1920x1080 resolution (it produced large black borders on left and right, V3 same thing, V5 was ok but that was basicaly trash build from not very valuable parts and I don't want to loose it). I can imagine very similar build to yours can be made to work well with most Win98 and WinXP era games. It would probably need a proper PCIE GPU that would be used only for 2D under Win98 + Voodoo2 SLI for anything under Win98. RAM can be problem with 1G Win98 limit.

[@Arhentir]

Win 9x not support SMT/CMP(multi core & multi cpu) Only WinNT based O/S support SMT/CMP/HT.

[@TRULYMORTAL]

Looks amazing! Great job!

[@Matt08719801]

i found a GTX 460 1gb card to be the sweet spot for windows xp gaming , and 2 gtx 1080s in SLI for windows 7 Ultimate 64 bit :)

[@hereticosjc]

I'd like to have seen how Diablo 2 would run on these kind of set ups

[@dmitrijolejnitsch3313]

Cool pumped retro stuff, try to reshade some old games like Quake 3, Unreal 2 or AVP Redux to run on this system - interesting to see results.

[@Viewer19]

More this is good stuff thanks

[@TheDemocrab]

Oh man. You've given me an idea when I do a platform upgrade and when I can follow through, I'll absolutely try to get some benchmarks, etc from it. Basically, grab a PCIe 1x to 2xPCI adapter card, a Voodoo and a older GeForce or Radeon and plug it into a modern motherboard, use IOMMU virtualisation to passthrough the retro GPUs and make a Win98SE VM to game on at native performance using your normal desktop. Same kinda idea behind the Linux gamers who throw a second GPU in for passthrough to a Windows VM for gaming. Great video man! Now I'm going to start looking more into this so I can muck around with this idea when I get an IOMMU capable platform.

[@mbe102]

This is fantastic :O

[@pc-sound-legacy]

Its a good Project if you want build a w98 system and already / only have such hardware. Otherwise i would recoment a p4 system, they are damn cheap on ebay and will do fine for that purpose.

[@jameslewis2635]

Since I knew Windows 98 could only support a single core in use I specced myself a Pentium 4. With that I limited myself to one with an AGP slot so I could use a Geforce 4 for the best Windows compatibility. Unfortunately Voodoo graphics cards are rather rare and expensive these days so I could not go down that route.

[@InfiniteClouds]

Hey Phil, how does the FX5500 compare to AGP Geforce cards? Is it powerful enough for higher resolution nGlide? What - - if any -- AGP card does it compare to?

[@Ztygs]

Man I had a Core 2 Quad a lot later than I had a Voodoo 2 card lol

[@benjaminslayton4335]

This is awesome! Is it possible to use unaddressed memory as a RAM drive? What if I had 4GB and could use 2-3GB as a RAM drive to load the OS and games into? It would be stupid fast!

[@RetroTinkerer]

I think that you need that your OS recognize all that memory so an utility can use that excessive amount of RAM as a ramdrive.

[@mesterak]

As always nice work Phil. Maybe for a future vid you could do a socket 939 w/AGP 4x or 8x and running 98 or XP.

[@philscomputerlab]

I already did that :D Maybe it was 754 though, but yea, same concept.

[@mesterak]

PhilsComputerLab ok, then how about a vid on one of those mini ITX motherboards that has just one PCI slot. A lot of those have a weak CPU that may be soldered on and may only take up to 1GB or 2GB of ram? I don’t think I’ve seen many vids on boards like that.

[@youtuberobbedmeofmyname]

Core 2 Quad and SSD. That is the dream specs of someone in the late 90's. Imagine. A PC like that would literally be worth hundreds of thousands back then.

[@MJ-uk6lu]

Except those things weren't even invented yet

[@DxDeksor]

I'd say it was dream specs in the late 2000's instead ;)

[@EscapeVelo]

Sweet!

[@mstover2809]

As it can only use 1 core, I have a Dell Optiplex 780 with a Core2 Duo @ 3.06 GHz I can use.

[@nekrosantenabu6577]

Please! video tutorial for a Motherboard Base like that you uses! Nice video! i like the retro PC, your canal is one of the Best, like LGR, Metal Jesus Rocks, Panorama is a Circle, etc...

[@math3390]

Pentium III Xeon hehe

[@1ManWrenching]

Math 33 seems technically accurate. The Corr processors were a return to Pentium 3 architecture after the P4 mistakes.

[@eduardoavila646]

@@1ManWrenching Kinda, the architeture is derivated from, but in all core2duo codinames there were several changes. The closest ones would be the coresolo and a pentium M. Even in the laptop market wich changed slowlly, in the perynn generation it was awready quite different. But yeah, way closer to a p3 than to a p4

[@dan_loup]

"Okay, it's a CPU that have SSE, but the pipeline is not absurdly huge, so it must be a pentium 3!"

[@eduardoavila646]

@@1ManWrenching Yep, based of. Intel just rolled back after seeing what they made

[@tarkitarker0815]

@@dan_loup dude they did throw 2 p3 dies on one pcb and called it coreduo this was only a few months after the last p4 release and was not netburt nor lynnfield etc..

[@CarcharothQuijadasdelased]

I am not sure, but adding more ram and a pci-e gpu should make this build a dual boot W98/XP machine.

[@SudosFTW]

the PNY FX5200 256MB cards all have a 128-bit VRAM bus if it's the blue-PCB, fanless, dual VGA model.

[@MrSamadolfo]

😒👍 sure, as long as its 775 or better we like, yay 🙂

[@karlnigan]

Hey p4 3.8ghz on socket 775 might be faster on single core then. This could be a nice video to benchmark different 775 CPU under w98se. I have a dell dimension with a p4 Northwood 3.2ghz, it has never work under w98, only under wME, but that was may be due to the Sata controller and sp3 patch that I didn't know. Thanks for sharing all these useful information.

[@michaelkosciesza645]

nice

[@mdrumt]

Great vid again Phil. Core 2 Single!

[@LellePrinter82]

Nice setup, I actually think that a fast core2duo will be more that enough for Windows 98. Windows 98 can only see and use 1 core, Windows NT systems can use 2 or more cores at the same time. The backside is that for example Windows 2000 cannot play dos games. No offense, this is just my opinion and thoughts.

[@PiercedJedi]

this is very encouraging because I have several Socket 775 motherboards and I even have an AMD machine with integrated GeForce 6200 GPU on the motherboard, I would love to get something working with that AMD system but every time I've tried vanilla Win98 SE I run into problems on everything I own except an old Celeron 500Mhz machine that I only have 32MB of ram for...

[@philscomputerlab]

Integrated 6200? Hmm this is very interesting.

[@shiva_MMIV]

Some other options: - With Intel you can go up to the i945 chipset, it has no official win98 suport but there are modded drivers, or i915 with official drivers, and as for PCI express graphic cards you can use geforce 6000 and 7000 series (with modded drivers), or Ati xx00 or x1x0 series. - With AMD there are some motherboards that use older chipsets with more modern sockets that still have w98 compatibility, there are even some AM2 AGP mobos. Personally I've tried W98 in an unusual socket 478 i945 motherboard with a geforce 7600 GT PCIe and it worked fine, although my regular retro machine is a more common P3.

[@Konkretertyp]

How do you manage to run geforce 7 on win98? I tried running win98 on a older socket 939 AGP mobo with x2 4200+ and i had all the chipset drivers available for it (found them based on the chipset numbers i wrote down, before installing), but i was not able to find any working drivers for my ati X1950 pro. Now i am curious if my c2d would work with win98 and a geforce 6600 pcie.

[@shiva_MMIV]

@@Konkretertyp I used modded drivers both for the motherboard, so I can use PCIe cards, and for the graphic card, I think this ones www.mdgx.com/files/NV8269.EXE although I'm not sure; I heard that there are also unnofficial drivers for the X1900 but I can't say anything first hand.

[@philscomputerlab]

Nice! For this project I wanted to avoid driver modding and show that it works "out of the box" so to speak :)

[@kamerat7689]

​@@philscomputerlab the ATI Radeon Xx00 PCIe series works out of the box with the Catalyst 6.2 driver, using the X800 XL PCIe in one of my builds. The build even got a 1000mbps PCIe ethernet card that works under Windows 98SE.

[@philscomputerlab]

@Kamerat EDIT: I didn't read it properly. X800 series, good to know, I have to try this one day. I also have one of these GeForce FX type cards for PCIe, maybe a Quadro, which I haven't tested yet.

[@Seatux]

Now I wonder if there is a possibility to dual boot Win 98 and XP like this. I do have an old Core2Duo machine for XP, would be space saving if it can also do 98.

[@sburton015]

It may can be done, I do have a 2006 PC with an AMD Athlon 64 x2 4200+ that dual boots Windows 10 and Windows XP.