Corinna Cohn and Sam, feeling strange, an older perspective on intimacy post surgical transition

[@kbc9155]

If we lived in a world which actually cared about those with gender distress, this video would have 55M views - not 55. You both are amazing people who I deeply respect❣️

[@Call-Me-Sam]

Agreed and thank you so much.

[@sterlingwalters]

I love this conversation. "We all live with the consequences of being alive." Yes. We do not have to transition to feel the truth of this. I tried on different religions--evangelical Christianity, Messianic Judaism, Catholicism, trying to figure out where I fit in this world. Then came deconstruction where I began to let go of all the outer expressions and rituals and beliefs to begin to get to the heart of who I am beyond all of that. You don't know that you are just wearing different suits, identifying as a suit, until something starts to tear it away, and we see the skin beneath.

[@Call-Me-Sam]

" You don't know that you are just wearing different suits, identifying as a suit, until something starts to tear it away, and we see the skin beneath." This is so true, thank you Sarah.

[@normanshadow1]

What an exceptional conversation. Thank you both. THIS is what i call authentic. I'm an old lady now and yes, I've had some serious regrets. Whats done is done. I forgive myself now Corinna, i think you should consider standup comedy

[@melindalemmon2149]

She is hysterical isnt she?

[@oliverc1961]

You two are such a gentle, sweet, kind, loveable, admirable, pair. What a thought-provoking conversation. It should have way more than 2000 views. Thank you.

[@Call-Me-Sam]

Thank you

[@gems3604]

The conversation that you're having is so precious. There are so many different platforms devoted to trans, but your platform is perhaps the most honest. You really focus on the spiritual and ontological aspects of the journey. I have watched quite a few channels where the transitioners boast about living their best life. And all I can think as I watch them is "Who are you? Why are you hiding?" There are so many young people following this and the medical establishment is rubber stamping transitions. They are also forcing the rest of us to normalize what is abominable. Maybe that was not the case when you initially began your journey, but it is most definitely an agenda that while certainly profit driven, is also spiritual. Both of you are incredibly brave. You weave a beautiful fabric of hope, strength and resilience. Very much needed.

[@Call-Me-Sam]

Thank you so much for your comment. I'm very happy to know that you get what I've done with this channel. All we can be is ourselves and that seems the most difficult work of all but in truth, is the most effortless.

[@Bonobo3D]

Powerful truths discussed in this conversation. Sharing this on social media with hope that the people who need to hear it (young trans identifying people and the therapists and enablers) will hear it. Your voices are so important because currently, in Canada, under the guise of prohibiting “conversion therapy,” Bill C-8 makes it a criminal offence for parents to help their own gender-confused children find peace in accepting their biological gender. Thank you both for sharing your hard-earned wisdom and dedication to speaking the truth.

[@Call-Me-Sam]

Thank you.

[@Pippypapoose227]

Everyone has regret. Even if not for the same reasons. Even if someone didn't make a permanent change to their body they could have made decisions that permanently changed their life. It could have been that something they had no control of permanently changed the course of their life. The one thing that is a given is that as long as we are breathing we can work toward being at peace.

[@michaelshelbyedwards]

I’m a woman still recovering from an abortion I procured over 20 years ago, and I deeply appreciate this channel and this conversation. ❤

[@lynnmadore7373]

Prayers for your healing. God bless you.

[@valerieg9494]

❤🙏

[@barbaras5874]

I love the honesty and authenticity, amazing!

[@barbaras5874]

This is one of the most thought provoking, honest and captivating conversations I have ever heard.

[@karenlewkowitz5858]

Poets aka Philosophers. Sam, thank you for including the beauty of language. I will rewind and listen again and again. I appreciate your depth and courage.

[@Call-Me-Sam]

Gosh ! Thank you... I shall have to listen to this again .

[@alba7251]

You must be two of the most honest and based people both on and outside KZbin. Sending love ❤

[@Call-Me-Sam]

Bless you. Thanks

[@einericklon8486]

Thank you, both of you, for this conversation ! Much appreciated ! Me being a detransitioning 62 years old woman. Who also finds it hard to connect with "ordinary people". Dogs coop better with my appearance ! 😄

[@Hidinginyourcupboard]

Regret is a wasted emotion, but sometimes it’s ok to wish things were different.

[@Call-Me-Sam]

If our emotions have purpose then what is regret for.

[@michelerafferty8562]

Two of my favourite people / brains ! Xxxxx

[@aladinfox4098]

You cheer me up and make me want to join in the conversation with you both, I'm a big fan😁

[@Anita-silver]

I've experienced both kinds of regret. I lived for many years stuck in regret that crushed me - it stayed all dammed up with no resolution but as my journey takes me closer to acceptance, the regret is brutal but now the dam is open and it can flow through and out leading to peace.

[@stephaniedegange2737]

yay for you, Anita!

[@Listenerandlearner870]

Some people detransition and some people don't. Much respect to both. It needs to be explained to those who advocate a compulsory detransitioning policy that a compulsory detransitioning policy is inappropriate. Here are two great people.

[@Call-Me-Sam]

Thank you and yes, I agree.

[@dunkel.760]

Thank you for sharing your experiences and thoughts with us. I have a big respect for your honesty and strength.

[@Call-Me-Sam]

Thank you

[@karenlewkowitz5858]

Sam, love your ability to appreciate the nusance in language and a keen sense of process. We need to hear you

[@Call-Me-Sam]

Hi Karen, thank you very much.

[@jollietalvarez8560]

My friends what you are saying is so Profound👀✔️

[@marym.804]

Great podcast! Thank you for sharing. I hope it will be of help to others. There is a positive good chance that it will be helpful!

[@shandrews]

I learn so much from you both. Keep talking. ❤

[@AF-gd7fh]

This was such an interesting conversation from an outsider.

[@Call-Me-Sam]

Thanks. I do love talking with Cori. Hopefully we'll be talking again soon.

[@tish3092]

Jeez that final tweet exchange. I call it Mengele Medicine especially the nullo surgeries

[@tish3092]

I had to work my way up to this one, I am reading the Sex, Science and the Self by Bob Osterhag. It makes me very angry that in early research it was seen as unethical to experiment on hormones so they sought out people with DSDs to observe. Now they are experimenting on MY SON and a load of other vulnerable subjects. I disagree with people criticising people for being afraid to go back on testosterone post surgery. The language of “authentic” self is being fed to our kids. They are all saying it from the U.K., across the western world. Even the language is not authentic it’s a script.

[@Call-Me-Sam]

Well said Tish......It is a script, as I said in this video, one repeated in the environment of ideas, media, entertainment and education... unavoidable and most definitely unhelpful .

[@PropheticForensics]

I think its 👍 that you have different ways of reaching the same goal. Gives courage to see..❤

[@gabriellemaes4078]

I think you'll go to amazing places. God bless.❤❤❤

[@gladyswilson7540]

I realize that this is a year later and I have so many questions. Especially a bout the medical and Therapeutic community. I am a therapist myself and I am always looking for more understanding.

[@AS-pi3zg]

sam is completely agree with you and everything you said and have been saying and I pray thankfulness to Lord God for your introspection and learning about repentance bottom line its all about repentance GOD LOVES YOU the young gentleman you are conversing with has NOT reached your level of spiritual awareness and maturity you have been reaching towards God knowingly or unknowingly i cant say the same for the gentleman but iI believe he will… you Sam have Gods hand extended towards you HE WANTS YOU so keep speaking ive followed you for a very long time and my heart broke but yet my heart soared because I believe your will be in Heaven only JESUS IS THE WAY THE TRUTH AND THE LIFE your living his forgiveness ❤

[@summer_poems]

In the beginning of your video (around 13:28) I really appreciate that you, Sam, brought in the beautiful and insightful poetry of David Whyte to illustrate a point. I regret that your guest did not appreciate that and completely bulldozed over your thoughts with a very crass response. I think he completely missed the point and has not connected to poetry in the same way that you have. David Whyte is an extraordinary source of wisdom and I’m sorry that not enough people are paying attention.

[@Call-Me-Sam]

I feel a great warmth toward Cori. Our conversations can be challenging because we are so different .

[@summer_poems]

@@Call-Me-Sam I appreciate your connection with Cori. Maybe I’m very much defensive towards any and all ignorance/miscomprehension of David Whyte! ❤️

[@Call-Me-Sam]

@@summer_poems Bless you. Yes , Davids poetry has been incredibly helpful. There are many videos where I read my favourites . X

[@summer_poems]

@@Call-Me-Sam thank you so much for elevating his poetry. He has been incredibly helpful in my life, along with the work of John O'Donohue. I was so delighted to find out that they were close friends! I love the way David continues to honor his poet/philosopher friend’s memory in nearly every podcast episode and talk he gives. Both of them have written so many wonderful things that help heal the soul. As always, I appreciate your reflections on poetry that you find meaningful! It is very much needed in every community!

[@marydg5631]

Devasting ignorance about how body-mind-soul complex system works. But people love illusions and some sort of quickly solutions. Who I am is not the first question. But how I works, and where my machine and me (soul), we are balanced together. It's difficult but is necessary.The past situations are not the key of all suffering because im looking for another new me, with respect, for my basic costitution.The focus is balance, and the magic of our soul. In others words awereness. peace and love.

[@tubenamel]

You used the word enchanted-that you were enchanted with yourself. I immediately thought another meaningful word there would be “enthralled”-esp when you also look up what a thrall is

[@meema66]

Sam. Spot on at 12mins 52 seconds. xxxx

[@tish3092]

We are prosecuting some men who practice eunuch surgeries and supporting /promoting it for NHS Surgeons.

[@Call-Me-Sam]

Yes, it is crazy. Reframing in the extreme.

[@melindalemmon2149]

Excellent discussion on every level. In spite of, or because of the loggerheads.

[@Call-Me-Sam]

Thank you. Yes, we have such a different perspective but meet somewhere in our shared experience

[@user-xy4ff5yp7b]

Question- why go through all the hassle of detransitioning, especially after all the surgeries? Was living as a woman really that bad?

[@Encourage1another777]

Hi Sam. Just a thought. There is a place in everyone's life, where, like Paul the apostle, who was a murderer, we 'forget what is behind and strain on to what is ahead'. He was able to do that because he stopped self -referencing in relation to his past and, instead, understood that all of his actions in his body are in reference to God, requiring forgiveness and justification and reconciliation to God, by God, that only comes from God. It's from God's view of us that we view ourselves. Wholeness of body is not required, but only the holiness, the separation, without which, we won't see God. In Jesus, we are separated to him, and He thoroughly represents us permanently, like a fortress and a strong tower, keeping us and maintaining the safety we all require. We are received. Bless you bro.

[@Call-Me-Sam]

Your comments are an education condensed into a few sentences.... always challenging, always enlightening . Christianity really describes a very different conception of who and what we are. Thank you

[@hollyleann1825]

I see your soul. You are beautiful. ❤

[@kbc9155]

Can you share the link of the NB surgeon please?

[@Call-Me-Sam]

I messaged Cori to see if he can remember the article . I'll see if I can find it too. Will respond under this comment if we find it.

[@kbc9155]

@@Call-Me-Sam thank you!

[@Call-Me-Sam]

Sorry, I haven't heard from Cori and I couldn't find it. @StillTish on twitter may be able to help, she is in the trenches and has a huge amount of research on her website.

[@saramorsey]

❤

[@comradebish]

You're both better for going through it, and people should continue to go through it because you two turned out wonderful. How do you respond to a comment like that?

[@jollietalvarez8560]

You are Beautiful men but even there are others which have problems with our bodies really

[@suehamblin9652]

We live with the consequences of our sin nature that we inherited from Adam. Every one of us whether we are trans or not has to live with the consequences of our sin and the consequences of other people’s sin upon our lives. That’s why we need a Savior, Jesus. We don’t have to beat ourselves up because He took it for us when He died on that cross. He took our sin on Himself, and in exchange, he gave us His righteousness, so that when we stand before God someday we won’t be ashamed, because the price was paid in full.

[@elainevanhuis8373]

If we live in a world were love abouñded we wont be lidening to this. Stop preaching and love

[@suehamblin9652]

@@elainevanhuis8373 I’m doing both as Jesus told us to do. I’m 74 and I don’t plan to stop now.

[@frusia123]

​​@@elainevanhuis8373The thing is that human love is so limited. No matter how much we love someone, we end up hurting them in one way or another. And no matter how much we are loved by another human, we're going to get hurt at some point. I am not orthodox in religion, and I'm afraid of the narrow mindedness of religious dogma (which Jesus criticised himself), but I acknowledge that we require something greater than us, we can call it grace, in order to transcend our imperfect love into its perfected version.

[@valerieannegagnon8803]

not knowing a thing about any of this.....i was given testosterone in minimal dose as a woman and found it intolerable. my sex drive became unbearable and i stopped almost immediately ....that stuff is very very very powerful. Remember Sam your brain is now completely adapted to your present condition. if you do go on testosterone expect a lot of drastic changes in your emotions

[@novastariha8043]

🙌❤️‍🩹♥️👊

[@pomb4946]

Sam, opposing views on this topic are essential. The last thing needed is yet another echo chamber. I had a hysterectomy more than 20 years ago due to severe endometriosis. Everything removed. I’ve not taken any HRT in 99.9% of that time and no doctor has questioned that. I find that particularly egregious and inexcusable considering the current situation especially.

[@Call-Me-Sam]

Agreed, though Cori and I don't really have opposing views, just a different perspective .

[@marwar819]

I'm sick of these vulgar stories.

[@suehamblin9652]

Oh please, we’re dealing with reality here in a broken world. We are all broken in one way or another. Some of us just don’t want to admit it. How can you feel compassion and empathy for someone if you don’t listen to their story? At least appreciate the courage it takes for them to be so vulnerable.

[@asor8037]

who forced you to watch them? I find it refreshing that someone who has actually lived this can speak sensibly about it, in contrast to the reality-disconnected world at large.