Cosmology and the Future Story of Warcraft [Lore]

The cosmology chart added in Warcraft chronicles volume 1 has been used and will be used in the future to shape some of the story in the Warcraft universe. In this video we'll deep dive into what the cosmology chart means and what kind of stories we migth see in the future. I hope you'll enjoy ^_^
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[@Hexamore1994]

Having just made it through Stormheim on an alt, I would love to see what would have happened if Genn Greymane didn't stop Sylvanas from enslaving the valkyr. I think this is one of those small moments that made Sylvanas a bit desperate for a solution to her "death" problem. With Eyir under her control she might not have gone all BFA on us and might not even have given us a Shadowlands. Such a small event that contributed to Sylvanas turning even more evil.

[@Hourani95]

i dont think this would have stopped her. reason number 1. she only wanted the val'kyr to repopulate the undead as they have the power to raise undead, and also to protect her life as she was down to 3 (now 2 in BFA) that can ressurect her if she dies. 2. the undead are immune to void/old god corruption which is why she wanted everyone to be undead/dead. 3. in her mindset she is doing the right thing and we are just standing in her way (much like how arthas was chasing mal'ganis across northerend).

[@BlueDragonWereWolf]

ugh but the jailor and sylvanas are actually saving us all, the artbitor is evil, check the alpha the arbitor and their whole people are all evil cultists

[@HavocHounds1988]

@@Hourani95 Undead are not immune to Void corruption, they are very resistant. There are mindless scourge in Icecrown that have been driven mad from mining Saronite and are now speaking Yogg'saron's name because of the exposure to Saronite.

[@HavocHounds1988]

By the time of Legion she was already allied with the Jailor, the enslavement of Eyir was probably just one part of what was planned.

[@thunderborn3231]

personally what i love about it is more concise she became desperate and eventually learned that the solution to death IS death

[@vengeance1]

Elune is a death goddess, mark my words. Just like how Malorne is a wild god and paragon of life, Elune is a paragon of death. Their forbidden relationship made a child (Cenarius) who became the first druid. As we've seen with the Kul'tiran druids and Gorak Tul and plenty of other examples, druidism is a BALANCE between life and death, and the renewal that comes from it. The fact that Cenarius is the first druid should be telling of who/what his parents are (the fact he cannot truly die should also be telling). Then we have the fact he couldn't live with his mother after being born (one cannot live in the realm of death) and his father is a wandering deadbeat, so he was entrusted to a dragon nanny (Ysera). You might even remember after we killed her, the moon (representing Elune herself) eclipsed the sun and she reached down herself to carry up Ysera's soul to the next realm. Elune is not light, she is not dark/void, she is a pale reflection of both and can bring comfort to those that seek it, or darkness to those that wish it. I know Elune is going to be a focus in the next expansion, Tyranda and Malfurion will be there too, as well as ALL THE DEAD PEOPLE we've seen (and/or killed) over the years. Also house Menethil might be getting some juicy stories.

[@TheOriginal_Unaleska]

When Tyrande used Elunes power for Wrath, I knew Elune isn't whom everyone thinks she is.

[@elweese]

According to the War of the Ancients trilogy Ysera is Cenarius's Mother. Not Elune.

[@Rawfatal]

@@elweese Its said that when Cenarius was born Ysera took interest in him and became his foster mother. Its is clearly stated that his real mother is Elune.

[@asmrtpop2676]

Anyway y’all wrong

[@ObsidianHawk]

Warlords would have been ok if blizz hadn't cut 75% of the content.

[@zdeity3620]

ObsidianHawk absolutely. They were a bit ambitious. Admirable, but they couldn’t support that very strong vision. The whole idea of WoD was amazing all the way around and I feel like what they did give us was amaaaazing. It was just at the time with the resources they had, it was too much for them

[@ReikaLady]

So many cool places to explore, but I think I'd like to see more of the Great Dark Beyond.

[@thunderborn3231]

even shadowlands isn't the real afterlife in wow its a construction just like the titans construction of the spirit healers and such

[@zdeity3620]

Man ever since they eluded to The Great Dark Beyond I have been biting my nails about seeing more of it

[@ArcaneEther]

To this day, I still wonder what Xe'ra was actually planning to do with Illidan. Was she really intending to transform him into something new and possibly more powerful? A "Lightforged Demon Hunter" perhaps? Or was she egging him on to kill her, because she knew that we needed her fragment to complete the Netherlight Crucible and she was somehow unable to kill herself, so she needed Illidan to do it for her?

[@user-uq4gr5nl5o]

She was just going to turn him into a powerful light being, and potentially erase his memory in the process so he wouldn't be distracted by his old life and trauma.

[@silverspear21]

I like to think the latter of your options. She could have been corrupted or starting to be corrupted by the void and turn into a fallen Naaru.

[@littlesunshine9218]

Judging by the stuff that happened when you unlock the Magh'ar allied race...She was not that selfless.

[@Henrikstinker]

Nah. Sounds like a very boring twist.

[@apollyonnoctis1291]

It’s my opinion that in actuality, the gods of light are not much better than the gods of void. I’ve always felt this sort of “holier than thou” egotistical personality on them. I feel that their goals are not much better, instead of devouring reality, they want to subjugate it, turn all living beings into mindless slaves that constantly give them praises until they starve. More like the law vs chaos of Shin Megami Tensei.

[@FancyTophatDude]

I just realized: we never even found out what the hell nyalotha is supposed to be, why it's a different plane of reality, who built it, who builtthe architecture there, why n'zoth is there after supposedly being imprisoned at the bottom of the ocean or what the hell is up with his followers. We know about this stuff for c'thun and yogg'saron. How they got where they were and everything around them but nothing was answered in bfa.

[@grennbalze]

Klaus Mateschitz well that escalated quickly

[@keeganz1029]

@@mustafabrennpaste6521 REEEEEEEEE

[@silverspear21]

@@mustafabrennpaste6521 If it was a vision, how did the titan construct shoot him? If what we saw was his vision and we were in his realm so to speak, how were we able to use something from outside the realm to hurt him?

[@Trey-qe2il]

@@silverspear21 A more polite answer to all of these: Ny'alotha is N'zoth's "dream". It's something he's been conjuring up for who knows how long, now. Similar to how the Emerald Dream is an overlapping realm of Azeroth; Ny'alotha is an alternate Azeroth where the Black Empire has been restored and is entirely under N'zoth's control (no competition from the stronger old gods, titanforged, us). It appears that he may have, at the least, had the prototype for this as early as 10,000 years ago; as he showed Azshara a vision of Ny'alotha when they struck their bargain. It likely entirely exists through the void magic of N'zoth and precious little else, and in terms of the actual location, it's probably best to visualize it as something akin to Telogrus Rift or the Edge of Reality in WoD- teetering at the edge of the true void realm. In the case of the latter two, they're unstable because they threaten to fall into the void, but N'zoth is trying to force this realm out into our world. As far as how N'zoth got there, you should play through or watch the 8.2 content. N'zoth was trapped in the Last Prison/Circle of Stars, a titan-forged prison beneath the water, but Azshara's plotting and our unwitting role as a pawn resulted in him being released from his prison. This is what allowed him to begin forcing Ny'alotha onto our plane of reality, as well as why he was located there rather than his prison. N'zoth's followers- not sure which you're specifically asking about- are all either driven mad or are willing, zealous devotees who serve N'zoth for the sake of receiving his power, similar to any old god follower. The mantid have thrown in their lot as he is the last old god left, the aqir have returned from beneath the sand as a free old god on Azeroth has awoken them, the void-creatures are just spawning in, as that's what they do, and the K'thir appear to be converted mortal races that zealously serve the old god. Any other odd-balls such as titan constructs in the raid or visions are merely things that fell to his corruption. And, Silverspear, to your question, because we were in the realm, physically. Wrathion's cloak enabled us to withstand the madness of the realm, and the Heart of Azeroth acted as a conduit to the heart chamber where the Hall of Origination "blast" was routed to, and we got the lame Dragon Ball Z cinematic as a result. This is also a recurrent theme in WoW where we have to kill a boss in their own realm to truly get rid of them- demons in the nether, elementals in the elemental plane, and so on.

[@greyworld6242]

3:25 that looks so cool! You can’t kill the dark as much as you can’t kill the light. I feel like in the future Azeroth will seat on that empty chair next the other titans. Or illidan could. I think at the end sylvanas will lose her physical body but she will still be around kinda like Sauron in a way but then take a backseat until blizzard needs her again. All depends on what we see.

[@Scribby87]

Remember when the guy posted this. Instant wallpaper :D

[@AT-qt1ju]

@@Scribby87 thank you guys! I can't believe it even made it on reddit to be honest, now it's in a nobbel video. I am planning to make a widescreen version soon so keep an eye on my twitter! twitter.com/AJT_gameart

[@f.9999]

sylvanas without her body was a banshee in the books, so i guess as long as nothing significant changes, she will be a banshee, when she is not in her body. by the books, i know, that she can leave her body whenever she wants since she has her body back (she did not have it, after arthas killed her and until he became somehow weak such that she could find it and take it). so, on azeroth she is a banshee (actually the first banshee of arthas due to wc3 and bansheequeen) when she is not in her body. but she likes it more being in her body and this is why we do nearly never see her without it (in wc3 we saw something like her without her body and in some cinematics she was nerly without it). if arthas did not killed her such that she became a banshee, she was a highborn elve and had a very high position at somewhat, that we would call police or armee in our world and she would not have had the ability to become a sauron or a banshee or something like that. she wasnt even a mage, she was probably a marksmanship hunter.

[@BeeLightning]

pretty sure there were 7 seats and the empty one is for sargeras

[@blueportal4932]

Well they can always add a new one

[@SyvernSycor]

As much as I have loved the lore on Azeroth so far, I really hope that this story expands to multiple worlds. I think there should be a point where the fate of Azeroth has been secured (for the most part), and our Champions can be utilized elsewhere. Getting a sample of that by entering gates all over Argus to venture to other worlds and rid the Legion from them, was very satisfying. Some folks might not appreciate the complexity of WoW become an interstellar SciFi Fantasy, but I would prefer, at this rate. I find it difficult to imagine it going any other way.

[@mugglescakesniffer3943]

I like how you roll your r's and make the names and Places sound more exotic.

[@Laviathan50]

Could you do a "The story of Thrall" video? I'm surprised to see you haven't done a video on him yet considering he's such a crucial character in the lore

[@SL4PSYM4XY]

"tentacles yes"

[@Amadeuszmaster]

This is what I was Looking for in the comments ! Thank you

[@metallicolor]

8:13 those wisdom words of tentacle lovers

[@areoan7167]

So I’m slightly concerned with what happens to the planet when Azeroth the titan wakes up. We have never been given that information and it seems like we do just live on the shell she is going to hatch from right? So what happens to us?

[@lefgia]

I see 3 possible scenarios. 1. Azeroth wakes up and appears infront of us as a dust/smoke figure , a form like the one Sargeras had when he was surrounding the planet, just before the pantheon jailed him. 2. Azeroth will have a physical form, destroing the planed while she wakes up . But since she is so strong she can easily recreate the planet. 3. Azeroth's essence is absorbed by all living beings on the plannet. Our characters' strengths and unique abilities are a resault of us absorbing a titan's power, her power. Azeroth will not take any form but she lives in ourserves. We are Azeroth .

[@silviafox78]

1 more option for the list above; Perhaps Azeroth refuses to join the fight in any personal way in order to keep her shape and keep life on her planet alive, but she sends smaller avatars of herself to help/lead along with the "Heroes/Champions of Azeroth" as her soldiers/generals/army in the fight against the void, old Gods, and the Fel-Demons. She also could create her own machine-army like the machines we fought in Ulduar. Those machines were made by the titans' servants like stone dwarves, originally, so it's not a long-shot to think she isn't capable of it. Imagine an endless army of machines to fight an endless army of demons. Or possibly She will not actually need to transform her planet into her body at all and instead her body will be magically created as a 1:1 scale avatar which then pulls sargeras' sword out of herself before purifying it and using it to slay all corruption across the Universe... Which would look super cool! Actually scratch that because, I remember the titans made the stone dwarves originally which were "cursed with life" later on. I think Azeroth will be able to make her own "stone dwarves" but they would be something else. Perhaps Stone Elves since her blood transformed trolls into elves when exposed to it for generations and centuries, etc. (We all know how much Blizz likes to make new elf models"

[@asmrtpop2676]

@@lefgia 1 makes the most sense to me. And since not all planets have world souls, once Azeroth wakes up and her spiritual form appears in space, Azeroth would no longer have a world soul. It would actually make Azeroth safer lol.

[@cvetter80]

Honestly I would love to see an everbloom type story, one of the areas we haven't dealt much with. They had a version of the story in WOD, but it be interesting to see again. Seems like shadowlands deals mostly with death

[@QuatroXEspada]

Hey nobbel ever thought of making a wow version of the show drunk history You could get people that know very little(Preach) or people that know a lot and just have them recite random lore bits from memory.

[@juanchosho]

This video showing the greatest embodied representations of the cosmology, I wonder... Does the alliance have the upper hand in power right now? I mean, the Horde lost the vanshee queen and the alliance still has the elf who mastered void, her husband, the powerful mage that survived being a raid boss without a scratch (probably her dragon friend too), the best druid of all times, the vengeance of Elune in flesh and bones, the priest with centuries of experience in the light and the child dangerously closer to become some kind of Mary Sue

[@sudowoodo9579]

I think at least it’s safe to say the warrior of the moon and best Druid are still in the alliance but probably aren’t following anduin right now. Unless everything they did this expansion was his orders but still anduin is talking peace and tyrande is calling for more war. So chances are there’s a rift there just not one we’ll likely see much of in game. If I had a guess one of the books does something with it.

[@wowgek7]

true but the horde has way more troops then the alliance has and also way more ground alliance has only 2 real capitals left while the horde has 3

[@cottageworm7426]

I lost it at anduin the mary sue lmafo XD

[@silverspear21]

The Horde have never had the upper hand. The Alliance have always been the more powerful faction even without Jaina. Horde do not have more troops and have not really recovered since SOO. Especially now since Sylvanas has her followers that left the Horde even weaker.

[@Spippie_Sugarfuse]

If lore for video games were a important field of study , id say nobbel would get a nobel prize :P

[@Normandreas]

Azeroth's titan spirit awakes, we flee to another planet, titan spirit picks up the sword and becomes the new titan champion

[@STEFANDECHEV1995]

and remember, sarg did it all for the universe!

[@Normandreas]

@@STEFANDECHEV1995 "for the universe" might be a stretch. Rather "counteract the voidlords".

[@OrbisAetherum]

There are Naaru in the Shadowlands, which I find endlessly fascinating.

[@HedonisticPickle]

The Naaru have been described as the angels of the WoW universe. It makes sense angels hang out in the afterlife.

[@thunderborn3231]

@@HedonisticPickle except thats not how that works at all and theyre prisoners in cages, also theyre probably there because we killed them i know 3 minimum died at the hands of mortals

[@ThySirBlue]

Can’t hear “reality” ever since the Call to Arms(Tirion’s theme)

[@angeltonny1746]

I don't like alternate reality story's because, unless the writers know what their doing, then it won't progress the story at all. I mean WOD did nothing for the plot of World of Warcraft.

[@labrador812]

I was really optimistic about a Black Empire xpac but since Steve Danseur said it will not happen I don't know what to look forward to. Since Vanilla everything has had a connection with Old Gods. Everything seemed like it was building up to that like how Marvel built everything that led to Infinity War and Endgame. Vanilla: C'Thun. BC: Burning Legion returning to destroy Old God Corruption. WotLK: Yogg Saron. Cata: Deathwing bringing the Hour of Twilight. MoP: Garrosh using the heart of an Y'Shaarj. WoD: Not enough info. Legion: Legion returns to end Old God corruption. BFA: Should've been a speed bump instead of introducing N'Zoth. SL: This xpac should've been saved for a later time. I have been playing since Vanilla and wanted to keep playing until a Black Empire xpac that would be like both Infinity War and Endgame. One xpac we lose to Old God's and the next we beat them. I lost interest in WoW since 8.2 launched bcuz I didn't like the direction Blizzard was taking BFA. Last month I unsubbed after 14 years of playing.

[@silverspear21]

What old god corruption where the legion returning to destroy in BC? Kil'Jaeden was coming to destroy the Draenai. The Burning Legion in BC was all about his plans and wants/desires. The Burning Legion in Legion was all about Sargeras and what he wanted. I can see how in Legion they return to end all life on Azeroth and destroy the planet itself because of the Old gods but I wonder, now that all the old god presence is gone from Azeroth. Will Sargeras revert to his old Titan self and be a force for good?

[@MoXfy_Milling]

I really hope that following the shadowlands, we'll get another death themed class, maybe necromancer or acolyte, with maybe the same spec themes as DK, so blood(healer?), frost(lich probably?) and unholy(Our necromancer spec, since so many people want necromancer)

[@mep1455]

"Talk some sense into their brother" Yeah probably talking to him like Xera talked to Illidan XD

[@gostreiver8036]

maybe if she had been less pushy and just explained to him how she could benefit him, it wouldnt be like a 13 year old who doesnt want to go to church on sunday and is being forced to by their over protective parents

[@HavocHounds1988]

Chronicle wasn't technically the first time we learned that the Old Gods were aligned with the Void. The Tribunal of Ages makes reference to them as Necro-photic (dead light/aka void) parasitic symbiotes.

[@kirbymaster5]

Now that the cosmology of Warcraft has been greatly elaborated on, there's one thing that doesn't line up at all. Why/how did the burning legion create the lich king? Like, what business do they have doing that?

[@__Insanity_]

He was created by The Dreadlords I believe, who are very skilled with Necromantic powers, and they're also likely related to Revendreth due to their Vampiric appearance

[@Mousepad5331]

Hello i really love youre videos i cant find meny about Garona i would really love to see you tell the story of Garona please make a video about her

[@bindair_dundat]

They said something about how time flows differently in the Shadowlands and that we would see once we return from there. That got me intrigued.

[@silverspear21]

Do you think it flows slower or faster? It makes sense that time flows slower if time even exists there. If you look at Turalyon and how long he thinks he has been gone for being out in the great beyond, time flows faster out there. So maybe in the shadow lands it is the opposite where we think we have only been gone for a short time but on Azeroth we have been gone for decades?

[@bindair_dundat]

@@silverspear21 Slower wouldn't really give us much of a surprise upon return. If it goes faster, on the other hand, we could find ourselves in a near future.

[@SagittariusSisyphus]

Does it still stands that the Emerald Dream is a realm constructed by the Titans? If yes that could be an argument in favor of the Shadowlands being a constructed realm as well.

[@thunderborn3231]

IT IS

[@apfelkuchen4399]

Thank you for explaining these cosmic powers! So we have a "spiritual conflict " about afterlifes between life (nature gods) and death (undead) in the near future. An "energetically conflict" between light (naaru) and dark (void lords) who seemingly can't be solved because they can't exist without the other. And a "physically" conflict about creation between order (titans) and disorder (legion) who is finished (at least until now).

[@Stonedtosheep]

I gotta say thanks for making videos

[@mattflub]

Isn't elune some kind of mix between light and nature? She has a connection with ysea and light.

[@spaceparrot8702]

Allegedly she s a goddess. And the moon itself. So you re right I guess, but it s more elaborate than that. We dont know for sure.

[@joshyman221]

This was a funny title to see. I’m a cosmologist myself (for the real universe)! A bit more complicated and mathematical than WoW cosmology haha

[@spaceparrot8702]

Whenever it comes to more complications, it's always reality. A real life story can be much more shocking and unexpected than any novel or film. Very interesting.

[@joshyman221]

Yep, that’s life. Only reality could have given us quantum mechanics and relativity. That wasn’t someone’s story but something we discovered as the true nature of the universe

[@smithers4420]

I think the only threat we have left that can be anywhere near the scale of the legion will be what the threat that Sargeras was willing to cleanse the universe for to try and stop so seems they went in the right direction

[@renfygg]

I may have missed some of the lore here, but weren't the naaru created by Elune, as mentioned by Velen in Legion? =x

[@oblivexx]

After Shadowlands, we go into the Dark Beyond as a United Azeroth visiting worlds of lore, learning about full corrupted Burning and Void Infested Worlds, lastly with a " United Federation of Planets" we destroy/attack the Void Lord's. maybe a Starcraft crossover.

[@davidj9776]

Is this Shadowlands only for Azeroth or for the universe as a whole? As Draka is there is it for a solar system of planets? Is there mantid ? Botani? Gronn? Genesaur???Or Saberon there? Or a whole host of new races from far off planets.

[@Rampagedd]

Was illidan specifically the titans chosen one having arcane origin?

[@gostreiver8036]

Warlords was just full of un explored content and unused potential, In the grand scheme I actually think the Plot was fantastic. Though it gets alot of shit for all that blizzard was unable to accomplish, or bad systems that were implemented... The opening storyline was awesome and will never be told again in the same way. Not only did it implement Lore which established WoW in the first place, but it presented us and Key characters with the ability to change the outcome

[@Qatai83]

Absolutely agree

[@L4MIKAZ3]

Sargeras stabbed silithus. Where all them bugs are at.

[@phantafalconpunch]

In the shadowlands lol, their 99.99999999% dead. If a 300 mile long demon sword got stabbed anywhere than anything near it would be dead (well everything on the planet would be dead but Azeroth be sturdy)

[@benjaminbrandis3756]

Missed the biggest bit next to the place though.

[@thunderborn3231]

@@phantafalconpunch you.cant.use.irl.physics.to.describe.a.location.that.has.magic.

[@Thromash]

After watching Tali a bit through blizzcon, I was expecting that first clip to be "Tali was right" lol

[@bmar192]

I would like to see the other continents of Azeroth. Apparently There was more, and Kalimdor before it was blown up by the well of eternity was the “largest of the continents” according to chronicles

[@jebuscrust1435]

I thought that the lich king was the soul of nerzhul from the original draenor? Or did they retcon it to be from shadowlands

[@Jaebird88]

The Caverns of Time always felt like a wasted wealth of potential. Not that we need to have whole expansions dedicated to it, but rather every now and then have some content patches tap into it for fun "what if?" scenarios. Much like the Chromie quest, but maybe not as tedious.

[@randomman11167]

Amazing video! Also you have a bloody amazing accent!

[@nesto2947]

If you read the wow character descriptions for the skins in hero's of the storm it's kinda like different timelines. Like a blood elf skin for tyranda wisperwind changed her to tyranda windrunner, who's name was linked to the sun God I'm this timeline and not the moon God in the original

[@nioxic77]

btw. we got the normal titans we got sargeras - a corrupted "normal titan" (of sorts) What is a corrupted world soul, that is then pulled out of the planet? Have we even heard of these, or are they just similar to the void lords we've already encountered?

[@MrMilla22]

He Nobbel87 just a little nit pick for the channel. I’ve noticed there’s no video on Bruce of the brawlers guild. This would be a lovely video that will no doubt be the crown jewel in your KZbin channel playlists please consider it

[@astreanightfang2622]

the most interesting thing i would like to see is an azeroth un-found by others. no old gods no titans no dark portal. what is that azeroth like that. events prior to a re-origination event would be interesting to see

[@crazy12201]

I always thought that the draenei that were on alternate Draenor, the so called "light-bound", were those recruited into Xe'ra's Army of The Light. It would make sense since the Naaru are outside of reality and the Lightforged Draenei make up most of the Army. So Yrel and her zealots eventually become the lightforged.

[@thunderborn3231]

haven't watched the video but that is how it worked, after all tyrael became lightforged and so did calia when she died; your location or dimension has nothing to do with being lightforged at all.

[@darkphase7799]

Would love to see what happened if Illidan was taken over by the light in legion.

[@sudowoodo9579]

I think the Illidan book before legion shows what goes on with that

[@thunderborn3231]

too much light kills everyone, too much dark kills everyone, too much nature or arcane or fel kills everyone, too much balance kills everyone

[@talaahahmed8410]

@@thunderborn3231 even breathing in the warcraft world kill you...watch, blizzard is gonna make it happen lol

[@Feranash]

Hi Nobbel! Could you post a lore video about everything that happened in BFA to shadowlands? So people who left BFA but are returning to shadowlands have their lore up to date? I understand you have already a recap and 8.3 lore. But I mean something more insightfull, and more collaborate than the bits and pieces the game gives. With the appropriate cutscenes and such. All that leads into shadowlands and what went down in BFA (in detail) Thanks, great video as always!

[@grennbalze]

I would love to see more on Agamaggan. Maybe he’ll be in Ardenweild. Love dem boar bois

[@thunderborn3231]

i really think theyre lying to people on the whole seeing all of the dead people again thing, youll get like 3-5 big name drops and the rest will be people youve never seen before its all a pull at nostalgia without actually putting the content in, so far the alpha damn near confirms this to be the case.

[@robo8773]

So Dranei and lightforged are gonna play a big role right?

[@phantafalconpunch]

With that Titan homeworld line, so many people think of a planet with Titans living there for some reason. Am I the only one that thinks a "Titan Homeworld" is a world that a Titan came out of, so that we can see what will happen when Azeroth wakes up. Maybe it's so bad (what happens when a Titan wakes up) that we have to intentionally kill Azeroth

[@blazindragon1833]

Hmmm here's a theory. What if the Emerald Dream is a minor realm created from the combination of the Water & Spirit aspects connecting and the Shadowlands is a minor realm created from a combination of Air and Decay aspects connecting then what would they hypothetical other 4 minor realms be created from the last four connecting aspect combinations (Decay & Earth, Fire & Air, Earth & Water, Spirit & Fire).

[@orpheestmort]

İs there any potential of a possible necromancer class?

[@Hawkens4k]

A interesting what if, is what would happen if thrall was never warchief of the horde.

[@michaelflores9220]

There's a video titled "Warcaft cosmology is stupid' and I was wondering could you make a rebuttal?

[@trorisk]

Cosmology or Cosmogony? The study of the cosmos (stars, planets etc.) or the vision of the creation of the world?

[@bonjohnny8151]

The new *Ardenvault* covenant u speak of sounds pretty cool... Even tho i prefer Ardenweald

[@Colty95]

As much as I love the game and the lore, I wish they would make us explore the cosmology in the Shadowlands and the next 2-3 expansions and after that have an expansion that is a free-for-all battle between all the cosmic forces and the heroes of Azeroth as the finale of the game.

[@MrHenkwenk]

Do you think we’ll see medivh in the shadowlands? He is dead right?

[@HaddaClu]

I wouldnt call him dead exactly. From what I understand depending on the source his mum resurrected him, has ascended to dead/notdead status, or is dead but is a very powerful spirit. Considering his direct involvement in WC3 and legion I'm leaning towards the resurrection aspect.

[@MrHenkwenk]

I think he is one of the most interesting characters of Warcraft lore. I don’t get why blizzard is not (except shortly in 7.1) involving him in the modern story at all..

[@MrBern-ex3wq]

If the time comes when Azeroth eventually runs out of content that isn't stale or repetitive... Well they could always make that an expansion. World of Warcraft: Exodus Our work in protecting Azeroth has payed off, she's ready to become a Titan, but the world will inevitably be destroyed in the process. Out of courtesy and gratitude, she warns Magni who in turn warns the world, imploring them to escape. So it is that both factions choose their means of escape. The Horde maybe turns to their Nightborne allies to make a second Dark Portal in Suramar, to take them to the nearest, safest world. We know they can find it, because of the Astromancers and the massive observatory they have in the city. So they use that to scout the most livable and most accessible planet they can find, build a Dark Portal in Suramar and bid farewell to their world. Then the Alliance has the Draenei, who have lots of experience with moving from world to world. So they just make themselves a second Exodar (or a second Tempest Keep) and they use that to travel to the nearest hospitable world. And of course because we can't have them without contact, they find and land on the same planet. So we spend a whole expansion settling on these new worlds and then eventually we have another expansion where we return to Azeroth to bring in any who may have stayed behind and to see what remains, so then we see an Azeroth that looks much like Outland, but not as corrupted and inhospitable, and we have to explore our own world. We see what the reamnants of those who stayed behind or couldn't escape are up to, and just re-discover Azeroth as a whole.

[@90kalos1]

Do you have any relation to Necrit. You guys sound a lot alike and both do lore video (he does league of legends)

[@DagothDaddy]

This is why I'm hoping shadowlands is unrelated. I really hope they where serious about the Shadowlands predating the Titans because after legion I think it's time to put the Titans away for awhile.

[@PyroVK]

so titan land is next expansion? got it

[@Forendel]

Is shadowlands afterlife only for azeroth races or for every mortal in the univers?

[@stanislavkoev467]

It's for all mortal souls in the universe. It has been confirmed in interviews with Blizzard and more recently, when you start at Bastion they ask you from which realm and world/planet you are from, it's even said in the video.

[@alexdane2722]

'Hmmm tentacles, yes"

[@vorben7826]

you wonder if yrel (voice of the naruu) from the alternate universe was told to do that, by a naruu? chief, i think it might be so.

[@oblivexx]

anyone else miss the first two cinematics that showed adventurers in the game?

[@dix4dayz114]

Are the light lords not just the Naaru?

[@oblivexx]

well if Void Lord's are loosely inspired by HP Lovecraft then they are planet sized Outer Gods. Some as big as Nebulas.

[@QuestionableObject]

I'm willing to bet they're going to mirror the duality of the Holy and Void the same way it is in Diablo. The Voidlords are factitious and multiple like the Prime Evils while the Holy is singular and unanimous like the Crystal Arch. Even if it's not aping Diablo on purpose, it'd fit for whatever the Void Lord equivalent for the Naa'ru is being a singular entity of pure divine power but with less nuance or sense of duplicity. The void is many with twists and turns while the light burns a single radiant path.

[@shadowgamer4306]

Questionable Object aren’t the void lords the void equivalent of the naaru?

[@quackingduxk2137]

elune is probably a troll loa, as the night elves were once the dark trolls. it would make sense.

[@HavocHounds1988]

I think by Titan homeworld he meant where a Titan emerged from.

[@etinarcadiaego7424]

A plot about Icecrown on ice! Ha cha cha cha cha cha! Ya get it?! *ahem* I'll uh see myself out.

[@Anthaliel]

Sorry, but I have to say it: Those explosions at 5:13 between Light and Void reminded me of coronavirus xDD Wonderful video, though. I loved it!^^

[@Arigost]

A what if Arthas never picked up frostmourne would be Warcrafts version of what if Anakin never turned.

[@Arigost]

@@mustafabrennpaste6521 Based on what? the only morally ambiguous thing he did was the purge and he was right to do so there was no other way and Jaina even admitted he was right but she couldn't bring herself to dirty her hands and Arthas even lost alot of his light based powers due to his guilt and remorse theres also the fact his last words were to beg his father to tell him it was finally over.

[@DvBattlegears]

Why do people keep saying sargeras is fel magic when he doesn't look anything close to it, he look like burning flame orange red glow and how that is that fel green compared to the rest of the demon glow green??

[@Thornefield]

Ironic how "Order" is also described as highly volatile. You'd think it'd be the opposite.

[@sukiesoya]

I want a world revamp when Azeroth wakes up would be cool to see her

[@AletinLoL]

Im 90% sure that what he ment by titan homeworld is world the titan was born from

[@Demonica2539]

Hmmmmmm so would this mean there are an almost uncountable number of old gods on uncountable numbers of planets, since they had to have a pretty wide shotgun spread to find our Azeroth?

[@Sovereign589]

Yes

[@blakeschmirler2218]

I'm not sure where I read this or if it is truly cannon, but I believe it is explained that Sargeras was pretty successful in his campaign to end all life in the universe. Not many planets are still alive and sporting civilizations. Then again, in an infinite universe, I guess there's truly no end to the planets and life on them.

[@mh3594]

“Sharts of life🤣”

[@andrewnetherton652]

Is there any other type of shart?

[@terribleatgames-rippedoff]

Ah yeah, a video from back when Shadowlands actually had a potential to tell good stories.

[@josh4142]

No more alternate universes, the lore is already kind of hard to follow as is.

[@sandroguzelj1234]

future story? easy! sylvanas kills illidan, anduin,jaina and whatever other important characters are left and then goes on to solo the burning legion, kills sargeras without getting a scratch and kills the voidlords. it sounds like a joke but at this point i am pretty sure that her killing sargeras is gonna be a thing

[@elweese]

I wish Chris Metzen had never retired.

[@OriginalKasym]

Kind of weird how Light and Holy is next to disorder and Fel magic. Just saying

[@lefgia]

Shivarra furry warrior with sixtuple wield. Make it happen !

[@insecdroid]

Didn’t the Burning Legion come to fruition through the threat of the old gods?

[@andrewshandle]

Sort of. Sargaras stopped all the demons and locked them in prison, but ended up interrogating some of them and found out that they were fighting the Void Lords and their "minions" which were the Old Gods, from there he discovered that while the Void Lords had tried and failed to corrupt Titans, they had their sights on corrupting Titans that weren't born yet and were gestating in planets (like Azeroth's world soul). Sargaras found one of these and cut the entire planet in half blowing up the planet, killing the Titan inside it and destroying the Old Gods that were there (which also explains what Sargaras was trying to do at the end of the Legion Expansion). When Sargaras went and told the other Titans about what he'd done they were like "Dude! You shouldn't have done that, we _totally_ could have removed the corruption and the baby Titan would have been okay!" Sargaras was like "Nuh-uh, in fact we need to kill _all_ life in the universe because this will stop the Void Lords from having anything to corrupt and we'll be okay", to which the Titans told him he was crazy. Sargaras then took off back to where he'd imprisoned all the demons and took them over turning them into the Burning Legion with his goal to destroy all life in the universe. So the Legion _is_ at war with the Void Lords/Old Gods, but they just want to kill everyone to defeat them. His demons lost some fights early so he decided he needed some generals and because the Dranei were the most powerful race in the universe, he went to them to convert them into his generals, but Velen rejected the offer while Kil'Jaiden and Archimode accepted which is why they look like red goat people.

[@insecdroid]

That’s what I thought.

[@silverspear21]

@Mokarokas - Yes. Sargeras and the Titans set out to spread order and remove all chaos from the universe. The demons and different races etc were seen as chaos and opposing what the Titans wanted. Since the Titans were going about planet to planet and reforging or shaping those worlds to what they saw as order, they naturally saw demons etc as a problem to this so Sargeras set out to imprison them all. Not sure why he did not just kill them for good unless he thought that even the demons could at some point be turned to order. The old gods were all about chaos and they were a natural threat to the Titans plans. So Sargeras used this almost infinite supply of soldiers of demons for his plan. He brought together all the different races of demons etc to form the Burning Legion to stop the old gods and void lords plan. This went against what the Titans wanted because 1. Sargeras was allying himself with demons and 2. Sargeras was destroying entire planets if he thought there was a chance that an old god was going to succeed there.

[@goldenwoofer4757]

What if Elune comes from the shadowlands Ardenweald?

[@TheFlyWahine]

Burning legion is a faction like the alliance and horde. Multiple demon clans/family's joining the burning legion to fight everything I guess.

[@silverspear21]

A faction created by Sargeras and at the current moment has no visible leader. All of its high ranking leaders are dead or imprisoned.

[@-Amnie-]

I want to travel to a planet that was under legion control but the denizens are revolting because Sargeras and his lieutenants are gone.

[@HavocHounds1988]

I still believe we will come back from the Shadowlands and there will be a time skip. And N'Zoth will be brought back by the one that he empowered to do exactly this as a contingency plan in case he was destroyed.

[@thunderborn3231]

your character will NEVER be the plot point, items youve encountered yes, people youve encountered yes but to the story you dont exist because youre too strong

[@HavocHounds1988]

@@thunderborn3231 I don't mean our character, I mean Xal'atath.

[@shirtlessviking9225]

buuuuut N'zoth is not dead i don't think, just defeated, as he was not in his prison while getting defeated like the others.

[@f.9999]

what about the planet of argus if velen knew, the legion would find them and if he knew, what to do against the legion finding argus? not another wod more a way of preventing another wod.

[@alwolf7431]

6:07 "MY DESTINY IS MY OWN!" still badass af. 18:35 God no, please no more alternative stories.

[@silverspear21]

I am good with the lore. I have made my peace with the fact that Blizzard will retcon whatever they want whenever they want and there is nothing I can do about it. Ever since they retconned the information and stories from the novels early on during bc/wrath I stopped caring about certain characters. When they scrapped Emerald dream in favor of Wrath and changed Malfurion's lore I gave up.