Cost and benefits of wrapping hay here.

#soilhealth
Ted from Pugview farms was wondering about wrapping hay.

[@cdmChase1]

Great video mate, thank you.. gosh how quick things have gone bad since you made this video.. I hope all is well..

[@RickBork]

Great video. Awesome tips.

[@derrickzenner9300]

Third video, time to subscribe. Great content. Thanks

[@markgroth4380]

I wrap every bale i make, wet, dry, straw, cornstalks, any and all bales that leave my baler get wrapped. I also do some custom work. Best investment i ever made. No more spoilage or worry about getting hay put up in perfect shape.

[@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754]

After seeing what it does yes I want to do the same thing every single Bale wet or dry gets wrapped!

[@davidpastotnik9376]

Can you wrap dry hay ok without issue?

[@hairymanonetwo]

Jon........your right.....hands down.... best way to go ! Some farmers find it difficult to change !!!!! Ive been wrapping hay now for 16 yrs. I built my own wrapper back then. Its shameful to see farmers bale dry hay ! So much loss !!!!! Ive never baled dry hay again. Cut it ...wrap it the same day ! If you have 4 cuttings per year.....you save on " wheel" traffic on the field 12 days. Compared to doing dry hay it takes at least 4 days to be off the field. Thats almost a half a cutting more hay per year ! Id never use mesh wrap....its a pain during the winter because it freezes done in the ice and doesnt get cleaned up. Use twine ! I notice here...plastic and mesh wrap laying around. Please clean up your mess !!! Dont give it to your neighbors !!! They dont much like to clean up after you !!! Bend over......clean it up........even the 1 inch pieces......clean it up !

[@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754]

Very well said thanks! Do you use plastic or cecil twine?

[@stenbak88]

I was wondering why, I found you and my question was answered. I came here from farmer boys channel

[@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754]

Thanks for stopping by!

[@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754]

Farmer boys the music group?!

[@ceemorebuts]

Looks like Jon needs to build a rolling field aeration tool!! Would help with compaction and allow water to in hayfields easy, hay would start improving over till

[@JamesOBrien2253]

Or plant a cover mix hay that and let alfalfa regrow through it roots will help a lot better than steel

[@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754]

It won't be there long enough for the soil to get old hay field hard. I know what you mean though.

[@mrbill4187]

That linewrapper is the best thing i ever bought. Everyone wants to use it though. Ha

[@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754]

I have had several people ask about custom wrapping. I can see possibly by next year buying an inline rapper just for rent.

[@heritagemeadowsllc6535]

Hi, Jon and any one else with an econo wrapper, how is it holding up? thinking of picking one up this winter .

[@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754]

holding up fine. just make sure you turn your flow to the spinner way down, 12 rpm is all you need. in hind sight this unit was 4 grand and for 10 grand i could have got a pull type machine that would be many times faster.

[@dehavenfamilyfarm]

I had that exact wrapper when I made round bales! lol You wrap dry hay? I never could get a straight answer from anyone as to whether condensation inside the wrapped dry bale would ruin part of it. What moisture do you wrap at for haylage?

[@danfike3016]

Have been told to wrap dry hay with black plastic to add void condensation I don't know why but it works.

[@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754]

Baleage we aim for the 50% but it seems to be very forgiving. This will be my first year of wrapping dry I will let you know!!

[@danfike3016]

@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 neighbor wraps all there round and we have found that they all work but dry generally looks the best with black. Can't tell you why.

[@markgroth4380]

The thing with dry hay is you must not skimp on wrap, 6 layers and you wont have condensation.

[@hairymanonetwo]

Regardless....wet or dry it keeps fine. Sometimes dry hay may look ugly.....but never a problem with cattle eating it. There tends to always be what most people would call " mold " on the bales. Ive had many times with bales that are white. Its normal...and harmless. Its not really mold....its a white paste ....sticky. Its caused by the sugars.......and moisture (fermentation). Take a lick.....see how it tastes.

[@btowannab9232]

Wow , Jon I'm guessing you wouldn't care if i showed my banker this video , lol I didn't realize there was a economy bale rapper out there . Can you get under them rapped bales with a pallet fork to move them then ? 👍

[@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754]

You could easily get under them with pallet Forks you might bring up a little bit of dirt but that's okay if you're moving them to feed them then who cares if you tear the wrapping. I would take a grinder and with your hand carefully feel the edges of the forks grind down any Nick or something that could snag the plastic. I did them chalkboard talks last winter and several of them made it into bankers offices. LOL Thanks for watching!!

[@craigbrause3677]

He's right, if you're feeding it, spear it, it makes it easier to cut the wrap and net wrap. If you're selling them, get a hugger

[@joehusnik4337]

Who did you buy the wrapper from did you do all of your wrapping in your storage area do you have your own squeeze clamp I live north of pine know all about trying to make dry hay especially with working out

[@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754]

I don't have the squeeze clamp yet. So we wrap and drop right where we want to storage to be. Then I just use this beer to feed with. Someday I'll get a clamp. We are in east rock creek. Do you farm beef or just hay?

[@joehusnik4337]

@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 both keep around 20 cows put up my own hay .work in metro 49 er

[@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754]

@@joehusnik4337 for real! I quit the cities last spring, have my 49er card and labor 563! was a sewer rat for number of years and drove piling, coffer dams for a couple years. then got onto building and trades (retirement on the clock) and got my wife in to the labors union. If you don't mind can I interview you this summer?! just a heads up if it helps you at all I will have cattle chutes, tubs, panels for rent.

[@joehusnik4337]

Working Building Trades you must have felt guilty collecting a check haha you know if you get bored someday stop by live across the freeway from the courthouse can bulshit a little bit got to start working in another week

[@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754]

You out by wings north?

[@petebert]

Which flow reducer is that? I'll be running mine on an older open center tractor and if I'm reading these specs correctly, my remote flow rate is about 3 times what the wrapper wants.

[@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754]

The one I used was from the 7200 planter vacuum motor control. You want to get in the 6-12 rpm range. You have to have a float position on your lever or you need to plumb in a relief system for the motor, or you have to shut tractor off each bale

[@petebert]

@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 thanks, I googled "hydraulic remote relief valve" and found one labeled " Hydraulic Adjustable Variable Flow Control Valve w/ Relief, 0-30 GPM, 3/4″ NPT". Is that just for the line that does the rotation? I assume the tipper is on its own line

[@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754]

Correct that goes in your pressure line to control the flow going to the table. There's a latch you unhook so when you lift the three-point the rapper dumps.

[@petebert]

@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 Why the shutting off? I'd be using a Case 970. I'm guessing it has something to do with how I've seen it where there's still pressure in the line in the neutral position sometimes but wasn't sure how that affects the wrapper

[@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754]

If you can't put the hydraulic lever into float you would have to shut the engine off. Because if you click the hydraulic lever to neutral you'll break the chain that connects the hydraulic motor to the turntable. So that is why if you don't have a float position on your hydraulic lever then you would want to plumb in a bypass relief valve from the return line to the pressure line so when you click your hydraulic lever to neutral the motor would slowly slow down

[@JamesOBrien2253]

Baled haylage is so much nicer than silage cows go crazy for it

[@pollardscattle2604]

What size bales will that wrapper wrap?

[@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754]

Positive a 5x6 but dont know if a 6x6 would get in there?

[@pollardscattle2604]

@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 where did u get it from if u don't mind me asking

[@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754]

werner impliment wernerimplement.com/

[@Theblindfarmer]

What type of grass is that with those kinds numbers ?

[@JamesOBrien2253]

Alfalfa

[@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754]

The bales for 60 bucks were Canola and volunteer grasses. The wrapped bale is pure alfalfa.

[@Theblindfarmer]

Jon Stevens Maple Grove Farms how do you keep deer from destroying it? We’ve tried a ring it here and deer absolutely destroy it I remember as a kid seeing hundreds of deer I a 9-10 acre field and the bale to the acre was simply pathetic

[@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754]

@@Theblindfarmer you mean the deer grazing the field? . to the east is 12 miles to the river. to the south it is 2 miles, that wedge is all deere habitat. I am surrounded by thousands of acres of woods and swamps. we have a couple deere living in our woods but they don't bother much.

[@Theblindfarmer]

Jon Stevens Maple Grove Farms yes deer grazing it planting new alfalfa here deer eat it as fast as it grows when planting corn here the first 8 rows you count as a loss

[@tedkahler9738]

you said what makes a dairy guy stay awake at night.... what does take to make a beef grower to stay away at night?

[@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754]

I said that I should have said get all excited about the stays awake that's kind of dumb. I guess I enjoy numbers like that it regardless of who's eating it. What gets you all excited?

[@AlextheDutchDairyfarmer]

Over here baling and wrapping is more expensive then putting it into a pile. Plus less carbige of the plastic

[@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754]

Four cost per pound of feed I'm a little bit larger Farm you bet a guy could make a pile for less money. But then in our environment that means everyday or every other day the guy has to be loading feed bunk cuz you can't put silage out for a week and a half at a time. With these silage bales I put one or two in the feed bunk with a couple dry Bales and a few dry Bales around the lot and I get 10 days until I have to refill

[@sethe1333]

@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 I got a couple neighbors that modified a hay wagon and feed corn silage with them. Fill weekly in cold and every 3-4 days in warmer days

[@user-zu2bw7ig5v]

Without wrapping thinknof how much waste you have. The outside wraps of your hay bale are your biggest wraps hence a lot of waste. How many wraps per bale?

[@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754]

We did eight layers

[@hairymanonetwo]

Ive wrapped hay for years... First crop more wraps because it will be exposed longer to the weather and tends to have more hard stems which pierce the plactic.. Otherwise...depends on how soon you plan to use the bales. a single layer ( on the sides ) works fine.

[@tonybirge6401]

[@nathandove1521]

Are you happy with your wrapper

[@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754]

Yes and no. To make it work properly you have to get an adjustable flow control so you can dial in the proper RPM. And if you accidentally go the wrong way in the table start spinning fast you have to remember to shut the key off and let the table come to a stop. If you shut the outlet off you will break the chain inside then you got to fix that. It can make a very nice silage Bale. If the Bales are nice and round you could probably do a dry Bale 6-foot diameter. We're doing baylage most of the time we are at a 4-foot diameter and that works really well on the table. But you have to do it immediately behind the Baylor if the Bales sit out overnight you won't be able to wrap them because they'll have a flat spot and then they'll fall off the table. If you are by yourself 15 bales an hour is very doable but will make for a very long day. If you had two people bringing Bales off the field and one person sitting on the rapper you would be at almost thirty Bales an hour. There is one spot but I want to put a little piece of PVC tubing over a metal rod because the rap goes past the metal rod in on a windy day it was stick to that metal rod than every bail you got to restart the rapping They make a pull-type with a different table that I would be very interested in trying out.

[@nathandove1521]

Thanks for the information I found one that a good deal I need one very bad

[@nicneitzel9576]

I doubt you will see this but how has it held up?

[@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754]

We still wrap hay, actually love the dry hay, no bales froze to the ground, net wrap froze to the bale. Lot less waste on the dry hay. Looks like the day you baked it 2 years later. The wet hay, any damage to the wrap and that bale can be junk. Otherwise works well

[@nicneitzel9576]

Do you still use that econo wrap anymore? Just wondering if theyre ok for the smaller guy. I see they're pretty reasonably priced. I'm in wisconsin

[@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754]

@@nicneitzel9576 sold it to Dustin Adams. He is still using it. They are a great wrapper for the price. Buy a hydraulic flow control valve, set it so the table spins 10 rpm and you should go many bales

[@nicneitzel9576]

Thanks Jon for the advice. Greatly appreciate the content on your channel.

[@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754]

@@nicneitzel9576 thank you very much

[@TAHDAHFarm]

That money make sence. Sounds like your way better off wrapping your hay.

[@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754]

Dad and I in the guy bailing laughed when we got done but that was the easiest haylage we ever done!

[@citobuser]

Only wrapping!

[@SouthSaskFarmer1]

Nope dont wrap haha

[@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754]

You are dry enough?

[@SouthSaskFarmer1]

@@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754 it rains and snows ya but if it sits outside for 2 years usually just the first 2 or 3 inches of the bale is discolored while the rest is fine

[@jonstevensmaplegrovefarms3754]

Oh wow after two or three years of sitting outside here you barely recognize that it's a round bale.

[@sethe1333]

@@SouthSaskFarmer1 2-3" is only what you see. 10+% shrink is still there even tho you don't see it

[@SouthSaskFarmer1]

@@sethe1333 maybe