Could a Marine platoon defeat a whole Roman Legion?

[@Binkov]

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[@pyeitme508]

Cool video!

[@patrickmcglonejr8163]

Russian biased piece of crap game. They make the Russian made stuff pretty much undefeatable, and American made is all crap. (Even though if it werent for the U.S. giving them weapons and technology they never would have pushed the Germans back... Moscow would have been taken without American Bullets and American Planes. And we all know American equipment during WW2 was THE BEST in the world (Just about)

[@cjmjrjm2385]

Try a making a castle siege ..the marines defend the castle and the romans are the besieger..with proper equipment like mortars and machine guns and the romans with siege weapons.

[@upopenapple6363]

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[@boukhanchouche1]

No fucking sense your video

[@JayVincentFitness]

A movie about this would be insanely entertaining. Silly, but entertaining.

[@RoySherfan]

Apache vs Roman Army and breaching a castle wall would be nice. Hellfire nice.

[@dayyumsonvlogs4152]

Check out anime called GATE

[@elsupersexysayayin.1089]

I agree.

[@cooldude4643]

@@Threaopolieze what is it called?

[@Zack_Wester]

@@dayyumsonvlogs4152 the moment someone goes small modern army vs masive medieval army. someone says Gate.

[@matt99is]

The romans would simply hire the marines as mercenaries

[@davidb3155]

Marines would take the money too to fuel their dip, booze and hooker addictions.

[@FasterthanLight11]

@@davidb3155 no tobacco back then

[@bulldozer8950]

More like pay tribute thinking they’re gods, but ya.

[@adurpandya2742]

there’s a japanese movie with this exact scenario

[@FasterthanLight11]

@@adurpandya2742 I can only think of Zapan but thats not it.

[@danelicker317]

Considering the Roman legion never saw that kind of warfare before, I would suspect the sound of gunfire and explosions plus seeing their men dropping like flies rapidly and from a far distance without knowing what's killing them, they'd probably retreat. They would think they're fighting gods.

[@ryzOoox]

Bruh ahahah

[@shadowdeslaar]

Maoris warriors were being bombed basically by 120 ton gun and many more smaller guns. They were stone aged and didn’t give a FUCK. Why would romans WAY more better at combat then any Stone Age man. Be afraid of loud noises?

[@rocknrolltypebeats4645]

@@shadowdeslaar They are extremely religious and very sensitive about it and you must have a crush on them the way you defend them and even if they aren't retreating because of God's the are still retreating because of sniper and machine guns fire and remember this is nerfed and pricdicly out dated modern soldiers the only chance they stand is in 3rd world countries and even the they would probably suffer many deaths

[@shadowdeslaar]

@@rocknrolltypebeats4645 Guns aren’t gods neither their users who can cleanly be killed, fall-ill. Needs to eat and sleep. Feels pain visibly. Also YOUR RIGHT. Rome WAS very superstitious. Until Caesar discovered that Briton wasn’t an Island of magical people with trolls and monsters lurking around inside and mythic forest. (It was full of very stupid and easily slaughtered natives). I’m not saying Rome will win against modern war. I’m stating. They WONT THINK YOUR GODLY

[@tulkiscruffybottem2823]

@@shadowdeslaar maori lost the war. Casualties -745 to 2,145. Bravery has nothing to do with the battles, they still lost. Also, of SIGNIFICANT NOTE, they were fighting a force with, as of now, significantly outdated equipment. The Brits were fighting mainly with an 1853 Enfield musket-effective range of 100m. Comparatively to this thought experiment, comparatively to the modern USMC rifle, the m27, which has an effective range of 550m. Of note, the USMC is the branch that prides itself on marksmanship, spending more time on the range during boot than any other service branch. Maori were less advanced in warfare, compared to the Romans, and with the advancement in rifle technology, would not stand a chance to semi-automatic weapons fire. Like a ham-hock thrown into a vitamix- nothing would be left over.

[@ethangarofolo8170]

This may be the case, but one time in Civ III, a single spearman defeated my tank, so, I don’t know.

[@chevchelios8337]

God tier comment.

[@tomfuelery2905]

Bwahahahahah!

[@yoboikamil525]

tank tries to fire, spearman shoves spear inside barrel victory

[@tylergodefroy8713]

once your out of gas, its just a rock

[@electricheisenberg5723]

@@tylergodefroy8713 an armored rock with machine guns and the ability to run on mediocre moonshine or whiskey (~%40+ alcohol) (you will FUCK the engine and maybe get 50km out of it, but it WILL run. About 20% of some STRONG vodka will actually IMPROVE performance assuming your fuel is pure diesel)

[@lamhkak47]

When you forgot to upgrade the unit after unlocking new technologies

[@thureintun1687]

Remind me of Sid Meier's Civilization

[@justinbro20]

like when you research all the support companies in hoi4 but forget to put them into the template

[@falloutfreek1992]

@@thureintun1687 the only thing more unfair than this is if a convoy of tanks were to go up against a roman legion, whereas in CivRev, I often had Egyptian tanks rolling over the other civs when their most advanced unit was legionaries and archers

[@ihavenomouthandimusttype9729]

Here’s how I’d get one marine to kill an entire legion. Step 1. Surrender Step 2. Be captured and taken to fort. Step 3. Sneeze. Step 4. Victoria.

[@ukeyaoitrash2618]

Doesn't that work both ways?

[@unknownstoneageman81]

@@ukeyaoitrash2618 Romans probably wouldn't know abt Covid. Plus I think immune systems of both Roman and Marines are of equal lvl

[@alqamenesh7433]

@Unknown Stone Age Man Covid almost only kills old farts, Roman legionaries in their 20s-30s would be at minimal risk

[@pspsppsps8660]

@@ukeyaoitrash2618 well we are more evolved than them since the time gap is super huge any disease they have is something we probably already had which means already developed immunity to it but as for them they didn't experience all the diseases we have in the modern time which makes them more vulnerable than us

[@baraka629]

marines are forbidden by the geneva convention from using biological weapons

[@beanslinger6247]

The battle of Hoover dam: 2277 colorized

[@proxymurphy7357]

Lol, this is honestly accurate

[@omnibeta1876]

The irony is that dealing with the Legion is somehow more annoying than dealing with the NCR... How the hell does that even make sense?

[@proxymurphy7357]

@@omnibeta1876 Really? I just hated the NCR. Pedantic wastes of time. The legion (slavery and brutality aside) seemed a lot cooler and that made them easier to deal with.

[@omnibeta1876]

@@proxymurphy7357 Oh no no no, you didn't get my point at all. Fighting the Legion in TBOHD is more annoying than dealing with the NCR who tend to die like bitches and die way, WAY more easily. In case you wonder: Fighting vs NCR in TBOHD - Easy as hell Fighting vs Legion in TBOHD - Why are they harder?!

[@proxymurphy7357]

@@omnibeta1876 Probably cause the Legion are a bunch of metal hardened badasses, who would literally take over the world through fire and brimstone, while the NCR are all contemplating suicide if they break through the walls

[@Salbcgn]

Imagine the soliders dying after killing one of their own ancestors

[@KW-io1oi]

This is an underrated comment,

[@buzz3248]

What a plot hole.

[@Kingmakerrr1337]

LOL

[@Ducaso]

The Platoon is doomed when if Rome sends Biggus Dickus to command the legion.

[@Hamsterdami]

With his wife Incontinentia Buttocks of course.

[@howmuchbeforechamp]

Accompanied by monty pyhtons deadliest joke

[@mattfromwiisports2468]

But the marines have Agent Hitler from the FBI

[@jamesguitar7384]

Nobody said anything about Biggus Dickus !

[@josephprice6968]

Oh, come on. You dummies left Naughtius Maximus completely out of it!

[@kevinthomes1046]

The best way for the Romans to win. Make a gun free zone sign.

[@MrHeavy466]

Bulletproof

[@Newie69MK]

@Thelondonbadger yeah, if only those gun free signs were self cleaning. Too bad Poland didn't have gun free and tank free zone signs at the borders in 1939. Could have really helped.

[@minelliabrissiaud2321]

Best way for Romans to win is actually give a dozen guns/rifles/or heck even muskets to the Romans some 20 years earlier and have them study them, tinker with them, possibly learn how to make some themselves even if hand made and no where near as advanced. As time pass over these 20 years Romans would do what Romans do best. Perfect what they have learned. And as such they'll all have guns of their own even if not as advanced as the Marines rifles it'll be enough to even the plain field. And even if 1 Marine dies for every 50 Romans it'll still end in a Roman victory.

[@Newie69MK]

@@minelliabrissiaud2321 if only all militaries had +20 years during battles to develop new tech.

[@minelliabrissiaud2321]

@@Newie69MK well it's all hypothetical. Time travel isn't anything so Marines are unlikely to meet Classical Romans. But with thousands of years of existence, 20 years is but an eyeblink for the Romans and is a relatively short time for any nations to grow from having classical weaponry to modern weaponry. For any other nations or empires it would be impossible, but the Romans were engineers, builders and scholars in addition to being the ideal military machine. They didn't just conquer and plunder. They learned from the conquered, reversed engineer their weapons, their techniques, their strategies. And then they Romanize the conquered to pacify rebellions. Though sadly that last part didn't work so good last time. Either way aside from time travel the only other way for Marines to fight Roman legions would be for Rome to have survived and endured as an empire up to today. Italy isn't Rome. Their former territory isn't Rome. I won't go Political but if the true Rome had lasted up to today they would of had an additional 2000 years to upgrade and perfect their military and would have access to modern weapons either way.

[@chevyjohnson7457]

They would be scared shitless in those superstitious old times A creature with camo, night googles and an assault rifle would be seen as a demon.

[@chevyjohnson7457]

and lasers*

[@TheLiamis]

They would flee in terror thinking Mars had decended.

[@42_cc87]

Uh no you know that the Romans would not run from anything even your mom.

[@sup_a]

@@42_cc87 but they would run away from you in the mirror

[@bracesforme3]

@@42_cc87 they'd be wondering how they're just dropping in blood when no projectile is seen. It'd be almost like magic to them.

[@truth2power463]

Marines: It's your last chance to walk away. Romans: Are you kidding? It's five thousand against forty-three. Marines: It's *three thousand* against forty-three. Romans: *How* do you figure? Marines: Well, once we take out the leaders, which is you, we'll have to contend with one or two thousand enthusiastic wingmen. The last two thousand guys, they always run.

[@achanneltruly5331]

lmfaoo

[@fianoglach1905]

Very similar to that scene in jack reacher

[@truth2power463]

@@fianoglach1905 Now you got it. lol

[@Kingmakerrr1337]

@@truth2power463 My man really quoted jack reacher (2012)

[@mynick937]

1 smart soldier would win that fight. Just walk up to them, empty 1 magazine killing about 20 of them and say "I am Mars,you didn't pray to me enough,this is your punishment"

[@ark.galvin2474]

Ancient problems require ancient solutions

[@18754KRS]

that no work they not speak english

[@mynick937]

@@18754KRS Well, I did say smart soldier.You can still learn Latin.

[@18754KRS]

@@mynick937 （：

[@orgami100]

How you say Beer in Latin 🍺

[@paulmakinson1965]

A marine would fire a rifle and the Romans would run away believing that Jupiter was attacking them with bolts of lightning.

[@emmangenta]

Lmao

[@Smile4theKillCam456]

They’d be in shock the first time maybe, but they’d learn.

[@RichWoods23]

They'd be more likely to interpret the bullet as being some sort of slingstone. Flashbangs, however...

[@randydiebold325]

@@Smile4theKillCam456 they wouldn't have time to learn. They all ve dead within a few minutes

[@joueusejoyeuse3475]

Plot Twist: The Marines vanish as each Roman they kill affects the chain of cause and effect that led to their existence.

[@ESPkenner48]

Yesss

[@sup_a]

Just them being there is enough to change the future

[@saucevc8353]

Double plot twist: It's a stable time loop, so not only did the murders not cause them to vanish, but were integral in allowing them to exist in the first place.

[@scottg62g]

Ha! good one

[@scottricklaroque7428]

lol At least some would, definitely. Great plot twist.

[@chrisakins692]

Marines would not all just run away. There are tactics for movement that would enable Marines to sustain fire while other Marines are falling back to new positions.

[@ah64dbeast37]

Exactly

[@blacktemplar1139]

Didnt the Brittish use these tactics in the Zulu Wars?

[@ah64dbeast37]

@@blacktemplar1139 I'm not sure about that but its used all time in modern warfare. Its called Bounding overwatch it is a military tactic of alternating movement of coordinated units to allow, if necessary, suppressive fire in support of offensive forward "fire and movement" or defensive "center peel" disengagement.

[@laurencefuller8435]

Did you take into account how hard it is to shoot when your laughing

[@SuperDreadnaut]

Romans: Whats that thing in the sky? Is that a drago-*BRRRRRRRRRRRRRRT*

[@keeganhall9894]

Legends LiveForever LOL

[@colecooper5836]

I would hate to clean up that mess.

[@shingyanling1856]

Nah, if you hear the brrtttt, you're not the target

[@pyrrhusinvictus6186]

Former Marine Infantry here. So many things this video ignores on both sides but I can give you more information from my pov A rifle platoon will have 9 light machine guns, 9 grenade launchers, 1 semi-auto grenade launcher, 1 shotgun, 2 frag grenades each, AT-4s, Laws, and Claymores. Our greatest weapons would be radios, watches, and a compass. We are trained to shoot a man-sized target accurately at 500m and our rifles can accurately hit an area at 800m. We practice stress shoots at ranges 100m-400m and we know how to shoot while moving in any direction. 1 shot every few seconds? A target-rich environment like an approaching legion army would be murder. We most likely wouldn't even use the 249s, to save on ammo. At 400m almost every shot would be a hit because you wouldn't have to move your barrel much to find the next target. With our optics, you don't even have to aim really. Just put the little arrow between their collar bone and fire. Hitting them high, low, left, or right won't matter, 5.56 is designed to wound, not kill. You can hit them in the shoulder and the bullet can exit out their ass. They will probably have more wounded than dead after the battle, wasting time and resources to try and save their men's lives. With our camouflage and range, they most likely won't even know where we are shooting from. The battle would be over in a few minutes, although I highly doubt they would be stupid enough to do a frontal assault if they know what a gun is. Our goal is to win the war, not the battle. A fight like that would use a lot of our precious ammo and would still leave most of their forces intact. We would most likely "nope" the hell out of there. The video got it wrong, we don't want to face them in the open. Chase us into the trees, up hills and mountains were their numbers won't matter. That's what we want. We will follow their caravan around, attacking their supply lines instead of them. We will set up ambushes and booby traps, we will kill their sentries at night and shoot grenades into their tents. Food and water won't be a major factor, we will survive. It will be ammo, we would have to maximize every engagement to break the will of the legion soldiers or their commanding officer before we run out.

[@flynnparish9833]

just call an airstrike at night into where they camp. GG

[@steelthunder5123]

The Army have something similar as you described. I think a big factor that this video forgot was the effect of the m249s in each platoon. Being the most casualty producing weapon, the marines would be able to take positions advantages to them. I doubt that there would be any scenario where marines would lose unless there are massive fuck ups on the marine side or if there was some sort of night sneak attack

[@gregorybrown4062]

Don't forget the Navy Corpsmen. Marines have Corpsmen, the Romans have no on-field medical support. The Marines will be able to keep more injured war fighters on line

[@mofo7689]

The last Marine element is the far higher fitness level of each member. Marines can handle long duration engagement under comfortable conditions for a greater period of time and under any condition.

[@orwhat24]

Awesome details.

[@SovietHighCommand]

Roman Empire: well atleast we have naval superiority America: *shows up with 11 nuclear powered aircraft carriers and 400 ships* Roman Empire: fuck

[@badlt5897]

Bruh- Most riverine units of the Corps would terrify the Roman Navy.

[@brianstabile165]

Perry this Us marine with LAW or pointed at a Roman ship

[@freddarau]

@@brianstabile165 can't can't wait to see a Roman boat attempt to survive a minuteman Intercontinental ballistic missile. Armed with eight five kiloton Warheads.

[@baraka629]

@@freddarau with MIRV warheads because no nuclear treaties back in 1st century BC :3

[@alextozzi8619]

The forefathers of the Marines did not even know what a boat was at that time? Romans instead were the dominating Navy of the known world as also the dominating and most modern ARMY of the known world compared to the cavemen Saxons.... What about this FACT compared to your illusions and fantasy tales?

[@Chromanoutdoors]

"You have 10,000 troop, I have 20,000. What will you do if I attack?" "Good sir, we shall simply shoot twice and go home."

[@DarkwearGT]

Did u think 1 shot will di2

[@piranhaplantX]

@Shyamkumar Khangembam Not even that. The Marines don't have to outright kill them, they just have to wound them enough to take them down. The Romans aren't exactly going to be able to pick them up during the battle, and they likely don't know how the hell to deal with bullet wounds if they did. There's also the fact that rounds from your typical 5.56 or 7.62 are likely to overpenetrate Roman armor. Meaning that, since they'd probably charge at them in formation. The marines would likely be getting multiple hits with each bullet.

[@oisinau5402]

I see you are a man of culture

[@stephenbrady5220]

Yeah right, arrows aren’t piercing plate armor or the ACH (helmet). Legs, arms etc. This exercise isn’t even factoring in snipers in ghillie suits hitting them from a kilometer out and taking out every person who looks like he’s giving an order. They wouldn’t even be able to find them to attack them. All that would save any ancient Army is having someone really stealthy (Native Americans) that can attack while they’re sleeping or whatever or the marines run out of ammunition. They usually only have a couple hundred bullets each. X by 43, 8600. They would have to be about 60% accurate to hit every Roman soldier once (5k) not including explosives and other non assault rifle rounds. Idk, depends on a bunch of variables, could gone either way.

[@paulrevere2379]

@Darren Harper I appreciate your insight into the ancient capabilities. Were there that many archers in a legion? Pretty comparable to the mortar assets in a Marine Infantry battalion with regard to their power as a combat multipliers against era appropriate enemies. One common mistake, and lack of battle understanding that's all too common is the idea that every round will cause an enemy casualty. In reality, it is hundreds and sometimes thousands of rounds expended for Each and Every casualty in modern battles. Yes, Marines are not as wasteful with ammo as army dogs, but the American culture they all come from is radically wasteful, and that includes Marines. Snipers might be the exception, but snipers are a battalion asset, not part of a rifle platoon. The use of arrows, I'm pretty sure, was not primarily to inflict single casualties, but to attrit and demoralize. Now I can see the Romans making some adjustments in this scenario of numbers vs. modern firepower. A few well hidden archers in several outlying spots would be very effective at completely immobilizing a Marine platoon or squad. A squad could probably eliminate such pockets if they were few enough, but not without taking critical casualties. I presume that you are also thoughtful enough to give legionaries the credit of quickly learning how to duck and keep to covered ground as much as possible. When I think of morons, it's not the Roman legionaries I think of but rather the idiots who think that only a modern warfighter has any brains or ability to tactically adapt. One example that fascinates me is the effectiveness of the Maori warriors against the technologically superior British. Where else but in the American colonies (and comparable tech against the Redcoats there) did anyone stand up to the British and compel them to negotiate? It's not really a rhetorical question bc I'm always learning more, but it's a thought provoking thing is it not?

[@gregorymurphy5055]

Basically, don't bring a knife to a gunfight.

[@shadowdeslaar]

Except it’s better then nothing

[@avronilanik1050]

@@shadowdeslaar So basically, still nothing

[@shadowdeslaar]

@@avronilanik1050 considering a sword is not nothing. Sure. Or pila. You can throw pila 93.8 feet away. Still. Not not nothing right?

[@avronilanik1050]

@@shadowdeslaar yeah nothing, considering modern rifles can accurately shoot from 500 meters away.

[@DD_Dietriech]

Fun fact. Within 5 meters a knife wins 80% of the time.

[@TheDrunkenPirate625]

"Could a USMC Platoon defea.." "Yes."

[@roxas13keyblade65]

Hell yeah

[@darrenstettner5381]

Nope.

[@jkillz6442]

Kill!

[@richardstratford7126]

Except for SAS :D

[@jayjones3691]

I love your support but no we wouldn't.... not without tech; that's facts if not respect alone.

[@seancurtis5307]

Being in the Marine Corps myself, I would say when we went on a mission, you grabbed as much ammo as humanly possible and you wouldn’t forget your mortars your machine guns and your squad automatic weapon when I was in, so we had probably annihilated him

[@MikeDMinor]

How did you transport all of that gear? 🤔

[@seancurtis5307]

@@MikeDMinor 150 to a 180 men per company

[@wizar6712]

When you’re losing in Total War so you start using cheats

[@KevinLLH]

Thelondonbadger no

[@gaberielpendragon]

The marines have all the food and water they need, the Romans brought it for them.

[@EujuneLee]

Amercia: *Laughs in 5,000 rounds per minutes*

[@spitfiremessiah237]

According to the USMC itself. A planned USMC rifle platoon would consist of between 49-51 men total. Not 43. Broken up into three squads with three fire teams in each squad With 15 marines per squad and upto 1 special attachment ( special personnel per squad team). The three squads would be lead by 1 Squad leader, 1 Ass squad leader and 1squad systems operator. The three of which would be armed with M27. Fire team 1 1 Fireteam leader armed with an M27. 1 Automatic rifleman armed with an m27. 1 grenadier armed with an m27 and m320 grenade launcher. 1 rifleman armed with m38 sdmr. Fireteam 2. Would consist of 1 Fireteam leader armed with an M27. 1 Automatic rifleman armed with an m27. 1 grenadier armed with an m27 and m320 grenade launcher. 1 rifleman armed with an m27. Fire team3 would consist of 1 Fireteam leader armed with an M27. 1 Automatic rifleman armed with an m27. 1 grenadier armed with an m27 and m320 grenade launcher. 1 rifleman armed with an m27 and M3E1 MAAWS rocket launcher. There would be three identical squads set up exactly the same way. The basic combat load is no less than 210 RDs of 5.56 (7mags) per soldier and upto 14 mags per soldier depending on the situation they’re walking into. And 3-4 mags for their secondary. If we ignore their secondary weapon and assume they know they’re walking into battle the romans. They would carry the 14 mags that would equate to 51 soldiers carrying 420rds per person. Would be 21,420 RDs total against 5,000 romans.that would leave an average of 4 shots per Roman soldier. Covered by 5.56 alone. Not counting the RDs they would carry for their secondary weapons. Not counting the grenades. The m320 grenade launcher RDs or the MAAWS rocket launchers. Anyone of these things would absolutely mindfuck a Roman and make them shit themselves scared. If you actually believe the romans would stand a chance against that you must be delusional or you are polytheistic and believe in Greek gods and seriously believe the Roman Empire would win.

[@grasstastebad2490]

@@spitfiremessiah237 mucho texto

[@blorkflorkernorp9773]

@@grasstastebad2490 TL;DR: OP doesn't know what Marines are, thinks they're like Europeasant army because he's one of those, gets literally everything wrong. It might take one fire team 20 minutes to mow that Roman lawn.

[@musiccer7446]

@@spitfiremessiah237 so? What now lol. What sid that paragraph help you? Under some vorvusmatnces the eomans may stand a chnace especially of the knew what they werw about to face. If the dont, obviously they would lose

[@tbonbrad]

Did Stalin just extoll the virtues of America?

[@aquatic4760]

The musket itself had changed warfare, easily defeating armies that still had blades as their main weapon. So I highly doubt Romans could have a proper fight against trained marines with automatic rifles, mortars, medical equipment, etc

[@solomonpachowiak106]

I just picture the Romans sitting there "why the fuck do these barbarians keep shouting 'semper fidelis' at us" - these damned heretics don't even speak Latin."

[@revon7202]

what about the zulu

[@pewpewplasma3793]

@@revon7202 that’s not a good comparison seeing as the British came out on top in that war. Just because they put up a good fight doesn’t mean they’ll be the victor

[@revon7202]

@@pewpewplasma3793 ehh if they learned how to use muskets they wouldve defeated the british,though its unlikely

[@revon7202]

still,it shows that theres a chance for them to win,albeit very low

[@garypriest7679]

If you were being cut down left and right by something you have never seen before you would turn back and run away

[@bradthackston2323]

Hit there knees and pray for forgiveness while going absolutely crazy

[@Phox532]

“Any technology not understood is indistinguishable from magic,” Arthur Clarke. People arguing that Roman generals are smart and wouldn’t think guns are magical are missing the point. The M-4 or a Grenade would be magic to the Romans, you’re talking 2000 years of technological advancements. If beings came from 2000 years in the future to modern day their tech would be magic to us. We’d have know idea how it operated or how it functioned outside that it could kill us and we had not recourse to prevent it. Imagine your a Roman General and you see one dude standing 500m away from you. You hear thunder and your lieutenant head explodes. You just witnessed magic as that point. Now you hear several more crackling of thunder and more people around you dying and all you see is one guy. Finally fear is 💯 a factor in this, go look up Guy Gabaldon. One USMC captured 1,000 Japanese during WWII.

[@GPH9089]

Nonsense!!! The Romans were super humans that could overcome every force, to assume a smaller force that uses the land to their advantage, specifically woodland, is absurd… You should definitely read up on your history books.

[@jaredjosephsongheng372]

@@GPH9089 Bruh. Even if the Romans fight in the woods. I'm pretty sure the Marines have things called Flamethrowers.

[@MarkWark-lk2pz]

@@jaredjosephsongheng372 I am pretty sure @GPH9089 was being sarcastic

[@jaredjosephsongheng372]

@@MarkWark-lk2pz Well he did a bad job

[@truth-12345.]

We already saw the anime GATE.

[@MichaelBluez]

Exactly what I was thinking

[@arnulfobeltran3089]

Bro it's laughable how insignificant scientific might makes magic look.

[@gravitysnegative1962]

I was just gonna comment that lol

[@schlong8276]

@@arnulfobeltran3089 Lmao just imagine a dragon trained to spit out fire just to get fucked by even a old F4 phantom

[@junmoon7230]

Took the words out of my mouth

[@philythekid30]

What about the Romans combat stress? I’m pretty sure they would be almost completely unreliable once they saw their buddies head explode from seemingly nowhere

[@davidwatts1871]

A WWII German MG42 nest with enough ammo and swap out barrels could probably kill an entire Roman legion.

[@peterking2651]

A German section (squad) has 2 MG 42s, making 8 for a platoon. Just those 8 guns are throwing out about 8,000 rounds per minute. They probably will begin engaging at 600-1000m (the world record for 600m sprint is about a minute), which means no legionnaire would be alive to engage the platoon. As a side note, US infantry received special training to deal with the psychological effects of the MG42.

[@ryanpayne7707]

Two guys with a SADM could kill every legion in Rome in a flash and live to tell about it.

[@scottg62g]

in about 30 minutes

[@bradyoung8197]

Take 1 M1a2 Abrams and it could take on the entire Roman legion and "sack" Rome like a 2 dollar hooker. An to my brothers in arms ,just imagine what ol Ma D would do to them lol

[@blurglide]

The British vs the Zulu is probably the closest real-world version of this.

[@themosticonicscenesinmovie8737]

Or Italians vs Ethiopians.

[@WhoThisMonkey]

Manchester United vs Plymouth argyll.

[@belegthoron8603]

I think it would be more fitting when the Spanish or British arrived to America and fought the indians. I think that the "cultural shock" was greater in those cases. Just an opinion. Cheers!

[@blurglide]

The Zulus were slightly more advanced than the native Americans in that they had metallurgy, but by that time the Brits had the Maxim machine gun.

[@roberteugene7295]

@@blurglide The Zulus actually had firearms by the time they fought the British. The Zulu king, Catswayo, wasn't stupid. He saw a conflict coming and used what resources he could muster to buy guns. They were, however, of poor standard (i.e. old), and his men were very poorly trained in use of firearms. Oddly enough, of the 17 British soldiers killed at Rorke's Drift, more were killed by gunfire than by the asagai (stabbing spears).

[@Scruffy-LookingNerfHerder]

If each Marine rifleman has 210 rounds of 5.56, and there are 43 marines, that equals well over 10,000 rounds of ammo. That doesn’t account for machine gunners, who would carry more. It would be a slaughter.

[@IgabodDobagi]

@Jimmy Houston Romans didn't have castles. They had forts.

[@WhoThisMonkey]

Don't forget the 80mm mortars.

[@IgabodDobagi]

@Jimmy Houston google what? Whether they had castles or forts? Well I have studied Roman architecture quite extensively so I didn't need to google it. But just so you don't have to go through the effort I googled it anyway. Here's the first result www.reddit.com/r/AskHistorians/comments/vziqa/why_didnt_the_romans_build_castles_why_did/ now you go ahead an "F O".

[@twinblade02]

@@IgabodDobagi REKT

[@ldblokland463]

@@IgabodDobagi yes but legions have forts with them, they put those down in no time

[@justasnowball]

One fighter jet and you could conquer the entire roman empire. If it has enough supplies and a crew of of mechanics

[@bigjimmy3792]

Everyone gangsta till the romans reverse engineer the jet

[@eleethtahgra7182]

Nope. I mean...come on, it fail in vietnam n afghanistan.

[@Fanhuntera7176]

@@eleethtahgra7182 what do you think the afghans and the vietcong fought with? spears and bows?

[@eleethtahgra7182]

@@Fanhuntera7176 basically, roman empire is just too big for one fighter jet. A single jet wont be able to obliterate city of rome in one run. Unless u include nuk3.

[@jacaredosvudu1638]

​@@eleethtahgra7182 by that time throwing really big rocks was enough to tople buildings, 20 or 30mm cannons + rockets + cluster or normal bombs could do enough damage to collapse the empire

[@akramebrahim1446]

Next 5000 wooden galleys vs 1 kirov class battlecruiser.

[@mercenarygundam1487]

KIROV REPORTING

[@CrispyCross-]

Kirov easily

[@theglitchedmissile9239]

@@mercenarygundam1487 wrong vehicle

[@lightlysal]

@@mercenarygundam1487 BEARING SET

[@archacies1511]

Closest thing to an adaption for this is the chapter 6 of Japan Summons(Manga), a single fleet was able to destroy 4,000 wooden galleys and extra 250 wyvern riders with no scratch at all.

[@davidcoelho1502]

I think the Hoover Dam would be the most fair battleground for both sides.

[@90kalos1]

Well played good sir

[@saltytimr5608]

TRUE TO CAESAR

[@winstein3689]

NCR for life!

[@satillitesteve2326]

Roman legion: “Form up man, we’ll defeat these so called “devils”. Marine: so anyway, I started blasting.

[@stuflames4769]

"I dont see so good, so I missed"

[@mattfromwiisports2468]

@@stuflames4769 bruh press aim

[@stuflames4769]

"Then they started running. BANG! I ran after them, tryin' to shoot 'em in the back." "... I don't run so good, neither."

[@mattfromwiisports2468]

@@stuflames4769 3 miles in 28 minutes 1 mile per 9 minutes? No more like 1 mile in 6. Roman's are fast, but marines can run consecutive.

[@stuflames4769]

@@mattfromwiisports2468 it's a show reference. Nothing more.

[@LukasJampen]

One thing you ignored was the possibilty of snipping the leaders. Roman Legion is nothing without it's officers and all Armies of the time rely heavily on orders from command.

[@eleethtahgra7182]

Ummm....no. Officers usually stand at the back. Where do u think modern army got their rank system? Many of it was from roman.

[@antoinelachapelle3405]

@@eleethtahgra7182 not true. 1 Legate stays behind the whole army (but he is on the battlefield) 10 military tribunes stand behind each cohort 60 Centurions lead from the front, and in fact were expected to stand on the right flank, often the most exposed side of a centuriae 480 Decurions (NCO equivalent) also lead from the front. Also, many generals personally fought in some battles.Caesar, Mark-Anthony, Scipio, Pompey, Agrippa etc.

[@eleethtahgra7182]

@@antoinelachapelle3405 In other words, assuming moral isnt an issue, even the loss of legate would not make legionares cease to function since each command line knows what to do. And theres still command structure below centurions. Its not that those 80 men only listen to 1 centurion. Smallest unit is 8 men group, contubernium (have to google it). So, if u kill the legate, tribunes, centurions and all contubernium leaders, then youd make them very leaderless. Otherwise, march forward and go stabby2 is quite a simple command. But, seriously, rather than snipe them, its easier to just rain bullet to the mass of legionares. 600 yards effective range? Just shoot upward a bit to reach 1000 yards. No need to be accurate. Just shoot at the mass. Youd hit. And each hit will bring a legionare down, regardless where the bullet hit, due to kinetic energy. I doubt the shield n armor could withstand an assault rifle bullet.

[@antoinelachapelle3405]

@@eleethtahgra7182 the 480 Decurions that I mentioned are the contubernium leaders, and just like a bunch of sergeants with no radio communications can't organise large scale maneuvers for 6000 people, No legate no tribunes no Centurions = extremely inefficient as a fighting force Command and control is **everything** to ancient armies. That's why the obvious uniform, that's why the standard bearers and that's why the musicians. No command structure no large maneuvers = no encirclement = the Marines get the drop on the Legion every time advance and stab doesn't even make any sense because of covering fire and withdraw bounding tactics

[@eleethtahgra7182]

@@antoinelachapelle3405 Umm...they are fighting against 48 people.... Yup. Thus, its useless to try to snipe the leaders, would be a waste of bullet. Much easier to aim for massive casualties.

[@rufealinluckypunk]

150 Brits kicked the shit out of 3,000 Zulu's at Rorke's drift, so I would say they have a pretty good chance.

[@alandean9674]

Two very important factors you are not considering, firstly this is 43 against 10,000, and secondly they were Victorian British Army the modern day American soldier would not even be able to wear the same underwear with out writing home to mom.

[@BR-dy1ie]

Joe Dean incorrect. It’s 5000 and the marines typically are better trained than reservist guardsmen holding a supply outpost.

[@daniilli9148]

@@alandean9674 But the Defense of Rorke's Drift took place in 1879. Military technology has really advanced since then. The USMC's weapons more than make up for their numerical disadvantage. And I think that you severely underestimate the quality of the USMC.

[@spitfiremessiah237]

According to the USMC itself. A planned USMC rifle platoon would consist of between 49-51 men total. Not 43. Broken up into three squads with three fire teams in each squad With 15 marines per squad and upto 1 special attachment ( special personnel per squad team). The three squads would be lead by 1 Squad leader, 1 Ass squad leader and 1squad systems operator. The three of which would be armed with M27. Fire team 1 1 Fireteam leader armed with an M27. 1 Automatic rifleman armed with an m27. 1 grenadier armed with an m27 and m320 grenade launcher. 1 rifleman armed with m38 sdmr. Fireteam 2. Would consist of 1 Fireteam leader armed with an M27. 1 Automatic rifleman armed with an m27. 1 grenadier armed with an m27 and m320 grenade launcher. 1 rifleman armed with an m27. Fire team3 would consist of 1 Fireteam leader armed with an M27. 1 Automatic rifleman armed with an m27. 1 grenadier armed with an m27 and m320 grenade launcher. 1 rifleman armed with an m27 and M3E1 MAAWS rocket launcher. There would be three identical squads set up exactly the same way. The basic combat load is no less than 210 RDs of 5.56 (7mags) per soldier and upto 14 mags per soldier depending on the situation they’re walking into. And 3-4 mags for their secondary. If we ignore their secondary weapon and assume they know they’re walking into battle the romans. They would carry the 14 mags that would equate to 51 soldiers carrying 420rds per person. Would be 21,420 RDs total against 5,000 romans.that would leave an average of 4 shots per Roman soldier. Covered by 5.56 alone. Not counting the RDs they would carry for their secondary weapons. Not counting the grenades. The m320 grenade launcher RDs or the MAAWS rocket launchers. Anyone of these things would absolutely mindfuck a Roman and make them shit themselves scared. If you actually believe the romans would stand a chance against that you must be delusional or you are polytheistic and believe in Greek gods and seriously believe the Roman Empire would win.

[@thomasb.5643]

@@alandean9674 well the British army did get their butts kicked out off the US by a less trained and poorly equipped force, so idk what you're talking about. Every war is about morale, break your opponent's morale and the battle is over...

[@tylertesla3678]

"almost God like weapons" Every marine laughed at this.

[@blorkflorkernorp9773]

KA-BARs are divine tools though.

[@WrathfulTyriel]

Don't forget the Entrenching Tool

[@EmpanarcosTV]

A saw that actually works properly

[@ericalbers4867]

*laughs in Army Enjoying our secondhand shit? It wasn't much better brand new.

[@WrathfulTyriel]

@@ericalbers4867 I fully agree....Armstrong tools are Garbage...ya'll need Snap-on...my Marine Corps Unit upgraded Snap-on for Second rate Army Junk.

[@dalemcdaniel3003]

I am a former Marine and disabled combat veteran. Your sock puppet frightens and confuses me.

[@Texasmilitarydepartmentvid9654]

There's no such thing as former Marine once a Marine always a Marine.

[@randyhill1492]

Would it be less frightening if it was a talking crayon? Or would you get too hungry to concentrate on the video?

[@Texasmilitarydepartmentvid9654]

@@randyhill1492 Make sure that 1st crayon you hand me is orange for the fires we create and entire villages that burn down all around us. The green one is for my brothers & sisters make sure you cut it up and divide it into pieces equally among them i want to know my fellow Marines are taken care of. The blue one is to show the world we're true and it represents the 7 Sea's.The gold one is to show the world we are bold. The red one is for the Corps because we're always hungry for the blood of our enemies.The Corps is a work of art and i'm the reaper. This one is for Chesty Puller good night where ever you are "Semper Fi".

[@wanderingdrifter3163]

First and foremost an M4 carbine is accurate at 500 yards. Marines qualify at this distance. Secondly, combat stress? Fighting unarmed opponents would be zero stress for Marines.

[@kaisercorn4857]

I don't think a Roman soldier wearing armor, holding a weapon, wearing sandals, and staying in formation could cover 400 yards in a minute.

[@jameone5000]

KaiserCorn One? Of course not. ~6000? Yeah. Maybe

[@DrCruel]

The Romans would negotiate with these new auxilia. Offered enough gold and women, the US Marines would join the Romans.

[@arkadeepkundu4729]

Marines: Die primitive Italians, eat some lead. Roman general: We'll offer you 5 bags of gold, a plot of land, Roman citizenship & 2 wives to each man who pledges to fight for the glory of Rome. Marines: Holy shit, that's better than anything the recruiter promised. We're in.

[@CaL-76]

The emperor of Rome would most likely make the marines his personal guard, at a price though.

[@lorisuprifranz]

I feel that this scenario is missing the wider strategies that could happen. If you find yourself transported in a world that speak a different language with a different culture and that is going to hunt you down wherever you go, then you are probably going to compromise with the autorities

[@andrewstrongman305]

The marines would likely practice the "rule of .45" and just be the power behind the throne. One or two might even have some interest in history and understand basic Roman culture and politics. Chances are even higher that some of them would understand Italian or Spanish and pick up Latin fairly quickly. They would understand that they had no modern supports other than each other, so would be difficult to corrupt or split apart. For a start, everyone would want to stay close to the medic. What's a bag of gold worth to a man who can simply take what he wants? A few might attempt to become warlords somewhere, but how would they fare when their weapons were no longer of use and those around them have better melee weapons and skills? I agree that they would settle, but most would be more valuable for their knowledge than as a military unit, particularly the officers who would have been given an understanding of classical warfare tactics during their training. Imagine if the Romans had plate armour, stirrups, lances, crossbows or even black-powder? A few clues about how to generate electricity, steam-power and railways, even the internal combustion engine, synthetic materials? How about national identity, democracy or the scientific method? Steel, rubber, even plastics. Most important would be the knowledge of germs, bacteria, disease etc and ways to protect against them. Lastly, stop using lead near anything you consume! No cutlery, no plates and no water pipes! We'd probably still be speaking Latin today.

[@LordSeethe]

@@arkadeepkundu4729 Haha, holy shit, that'd be the ONLY TIME in human history when the Marine recruiter was actually telling the truth when he said "you'll get rich and meet tons of hot women".

[@vitcenek8611]

Just use classic Soviet WW2 tactic: When you have more soldiers than enemy has bullets, you can't lose.

[@lemursteaks]

Works every time

[@SantaMuerte1813]

@@lemursteaks Only when you have comissaries behind your own lines shooting anyone who tries to flee

[@roberteugene7295]

Doesn't work when the enemy has explosive weapons capable of incapacitating large numbers of soldiers at once.

[@jamiecolima927]

@@roberteugene7295 standard infantry platoon dosent have any explosives that can outrange a bow.

[@killbotfelwick]

@@jamiecolima927 carry a wooden shield to block the arrows and lob some grenades. Arrows dont kill you on hit, hell theyre so slow, i was able to catch one in mid air that was shot by me.

[@ratki11er]

You obviously know nothing about Marines if you think a marine unit is not designed to operate in extreme weather or with poor logistics.

[@dwhitty25]

Can we see "Could a platoon of Russian infantry out drink 5000-Roman soldiers"?

[@Delta-2-0]

Now that's a battle

[@scottg62g]

I know the Russians would accept that challenge

[@Phil-125]

This completely comes down to ammo. If the marines have enough ammo they win. If not they lose.

[@clashcomeback539]

Yes, thats what I was thinking

[@shadowdeslaar]

Well. Sure. But rocks can be slinged up to 600+ with deadly accuracy. Lead Bullets can be Slinged up to 1400+ feet. With even more Dangerous results. 100 men doing this in the general area of those soldiers behind the shield wall out of the soldiers sights would be a HAIL STORM

[@geradosolusyon511]

I think they just need to "Win", so killing all of them shouldn't be the only winning criteria would it?

[@bulldozer8950]

@@shadowdeslaar and bullets can be slung way further via guns :). The Roman legion could win with enough preparation and intel and if the marines were completely surprised, but in any reasonable situation the marines win

[@shadowdeslaar]

@@bulldozer8950 no I’m saying 5,000 men slinging bullets made from lead. Those bullets are recorded to be slung. With EXTREME accuracy at 600 FT. But are able to be Pretty Damn accurate up to 1400FT. (Guns are much better at slinging lead). But theirs only so much you can see and do). Until a literal hailstorm of several thousand bullets being Flinged in your direction. (Guns and their users are better for obvious reasons). But rome has the advantage. They know the land. They know where your at. And they have ALLLLLLL the resources. 43 marines are gonna go threw medicines first. And unless they are trained or know about the stuff in Italy. I doubt they’ll recover using vinegar. Cause that is what Rome used.

[@satriadicky3732]

Now do the reverse. 5000 us marine vs 43 roman soldier

[@kawkiralteralte6136]

Um that's a bit unfair

[@satriadicky3732]

@@kawkiralteralte6136 oh you want something fair? Aight 1 roman soldier vs 1 marine caged fistfight with out any equipment until one of them is dead, k.o, or yield

[@WarpPal]

@@satriadicky3732 Well considering testosterone levels have been dropping steadily since the early 1900s for young men. The average Roman soldier's testosterone was likely 4 times or more the average young male nowadays so the Roman soldier would DESTROY the marine in a straight fist fight by pure resilience, endurance and power.

[@satriadicky3732]

@@WarpPal what about training? The romans train in marines way and the marine training in romans way?

[@jesusgamino1238]

@@satriadicky3732 that will probably take while since Roman soldier are trained since they where little and marine are trained for what like 1-6 years

[@reapersdullahan8131]

You're talking about medieval soldiers against the terrifying crayon eaters? Let's put it this way folks, the Marine corp was investigated for an extensive amount of headshots and being suspected of executing enemies. Turns out that just at 100 to 200 meters Marines were just good at popping heads. Further more, they didn't take into consideration any LMGs that the marines would have taken into the fight. And finally.... you leave marines to do whatever the fuck they need to do to win a fight, they do some grunterific things. Perfect example, the M2 Stinger. You tell Marines something needs to die, it's going to die. Also, the side arm was forgotten in the combat here.

[@Jugement]

While Romans Legionaires were infamous for being having the combat IQ of COD zombies while being built like teenagers Not saying US marines are bad per say, but this video is heavily underestimating Romans Of course they would be at a huge disadventage, but still disciplined and skilled in strategy enough to win a 1/100+ ratio battle According to historical evidence, they barely ever took a fight they had no intel on nor full odds of winning, and heavily relied on rapid maneuvers, fortifications, encirclement, foraging and supply line cuts to force their foes into taking disadventagous engagements They didnt conquer half of the know world and built the longest lasting empire by having the combat IQ of call of duty zombies charging into the unknown to the last of them

[@reapersdullahan8131]

@Jugement I hate to say it, but when it comes to fuck around and find out. You are talking about the Marines. You know the grunts that were capable of making new killing machines on the fly, such as the stinger. No the Roman's would have lost hard. As stated. The marines are well known for their accuracy, even having an investigation launched on them for the sheer number of headshots they acquired during the Korean War. Accusations of them simply outright executing enemies being brought up. Truth of the matter, they were just that damn good.

[@Jugement]

@@reapersdullahan8131 Havent you read a single word or arent you able to figure out my point ? Im not saying they arent good sharpshooters, i'm just saying this video assumed the romans would charge them on an open plain, when the moment they wouldve realized they are deadly but alone, they wouldve just encircled them by setting traps and fortifications and starve them to death. Its literally the main way the romans waged war. They werent astonishing combattants by all accounts, but fierce tacticians that first designed and mastered military genie _"Fck around and find out"_ my ass, all you did by mindlessly reciting your own litany once again was demonstrating your inability to compute the simplest argument Typical texan redneck behavior

[@reapersdullahan8131]

@Jugement doesn't matter. 1 round has the potential to kill more than 1 soldier in the legion. Another thing, they wouldn't encircle the Marines at all. You think the soldiers are dumb enough to let themselves be out fRoman's. It is called a covering retreat. Please for your sake do some simple thinking. The Marines have the advantage of camo. Second, the noise from the rifles alone would probably panic the Romans. As for the Roman's ability to starve the Marines out? I think not. This isn't a siege Marines wouldn't wait it out. 1. They would observe and understand their foe from a distance. 2. They would take out the leaders causing mass panic among the Roman ranks, even desertion. 3. Once they even thought of regrouping and pushing the attack against the Marines it is too late. They would have thinned the heard quite a bit. 4. They would probably stagger tossing grenades to keep the enemy from forming up. OR burn them right off to capitalize on casualties. 5. 1 shot isn't 1 kill in the numbers of legions 1 shot is more like 2 or 3 kills. Figuring they are using steel core or depleted uranium. 6. Without any leadership and not covering strong ground on the battlefield they would likely panic at their numbers lost. Again faltering morale means more would desert the battle.. Perhaps brush up on your tactics as the Marines would use everything they have gear wise. This means binoculars as well. As I said, fuck around and find out. Not a redneck thing to say. But it is nice to know that you have no real logical argument here.

[@Jugement]

@@reapersdullahan8131 "You think the soldiers would be dumb enough to let themselves get encircled" No, i just happened to forgot 40 marines could physically cover as much land as 5000 Roman Legionaires 🤪 Unlike you, i've studied history and learned that the Roman did indeed win many battles by cutting supply lines through encirclement, even heavily outnumbered at times With the manpower of a complete legion, 40 men would find themselves trapped in a matter of hours You are a delusional uneducated ameritard clown completely unaware of Roman military doctrines, basing your arguments on video game logic like "bullets can pierce through multiple soldiers", and you want to lecture me about stuff 😂 I'm not reading you further, your points arent serious enough to be worth debating Cheers

[@ironiccookies2320]

this reminds me of that one anime where the japanese army killed a bunch of fantasy medieval army

[@tejasvishwanath2028]

The Gate

[@Penneyfeild]

Gate. It's interesting.

[@bluecaptainIT]

Ah yeah, amazing bloodbath that was. Too bad there's barely any action in the 2nd season.

[@JonatasMonte]

Marines: "Our bullets will pierce your armor" Romans: "We'll fight naked"

[@FLBLUE777]

JonatasMonte Modern problems require ancient solutions

[@PauaP]

Sounds like a plot for a gay prono, and hay, not gonna lie I would watch it.

[@CathayanMagus]

It sounds like you haven't hung around Marines, that wouldn't deter Marines in the least... They would probably be the first ones naked just so they can teabag the dead easier.

[@FLBLUE777]

CathayanMagus why teabag them dead when you can teabag them alive?

[@IgabodDobagi]

@@FLBLUE777 You sure you wanna dangle your little peter over an angry Roman soldier's face while he's still alive and angry? Sounds like a great way to become a eunuch and feed a hungry soldier at the same time.

[@welinder01]

Every Marine qualifies at 500. Hitting a man sized target at 600 with an ACOG on top is easy out in the open. Didn't account for camouflage (laying prone, beyond 200 yards the Marines would be practically invisible). Didn't account for leap frogging when retreating, i.e. providing cover fire. Didn't account for the Milkor MGL. Didn't account for the SAW gunners. Didn't account for the m240's. Didn't account for the 84mm Carl Gustav (there's one in each squad) with air burst, which is the game changer against the meat wall attack. Didn't account for Claymores. What about Scout/Sniper's hitting targets at 1,000-1,200 yards? If the Marines went on the offensive, it would be even worse for the Romans. NVG and thermal would be a nightmare for the legion. You don't even need a full platoon. Assuming you had basic logistics, you could do it with a couple of squads.

[@kaufmanat1]

It would be like Mongolians fighting against, well, anyone they fought, but far worse. I imagine the marines would be far more mobile than an entire Legion.

[@blazedbe3550]

See I was thinking the same thing I was like this guy really said a marksman hits a 400-500 yard shot 20-25% of the time 😂

[@stellarsub-orbital9922]

*Every Marine qualifies at 500m (source: I'm a Marine)

[@yungchunks6931]

@@stellarsub-orbital9922 thank you for your service

[@chinookh4713]

A platoon is about 3 squads

[@christoff4735]

Frmr Marine here who although respectful of soldiers, wants to clarify that Marines are trained much more vigorously than their soldier brothers. Also let’s not forget that as long as a Marine has some armor a shovel and two hands they can still engage.

[@grimmsby3011]

Sure, but they're still just marines who were trained for only a couple of months, it's not like they're some special forces group that everyone likes to pretend they are. Marines are basically run-of-the-mill soldiers for the most part, just a step above in terms of physical conditioning (and arrogance lol).

[@thedesertfox6889]

No one: Some Roman soldier: AC-130 ABOVE!

[@anthonyhall4170]

You didnt even mention a single crew served weapon “machine gun” one 240b could devastate even a modern infantry company. A 240b in a concealed location with height advantage could absolutely massacre a large number of romans and we haven’t even considered the fact that a standard marine platoon would have 4 of these weapons with them.

[@xaderalert]

Hol up. Since when? If it's a rifle platoon, they'd have a single 249 per squad, but no 240s. Those are all in the company's weapons platoon.

[@tomsutton2042]

Army infantry platoons have 2 240s, around 8 SAWs and 8 320s, I don't know if Marines are different

[@Kyoptic]

@@xaderalert They don't even have 249s anymore. It's been replaced by the M27 IAR. 249s aren't issued anymore unless battallion level commanders decide to issue it.

[@ianhopcraft9894]

The Legion would win easily because in the first 20 seconds of combat each legionary shot dead or even slightly wounded would initiate the terrible ripple of a time paradox - changing the future and meaning several or all of the marines were never born and the thirteen American colonies did not become independent until 1937. This would have a devastating effect on the morale of the marines as their companions, insignia and underwear alter or vanish into an alternative dimension and for reasons that are not immediately clear to the startled marines their officer can now only speak Nahuatl. The surviving marines would have no option but to surrender and spend the rest of their miserable lives as slave labour cleaning the bogs in a third rate Tripoli garum factory. The Roman empire would go on to conquer the entire globe and several adjacent planets and star systems because of the leap in technology they'd gained from the captured weaponry and equipment.

[@jonnypropaganda]

Ian Hopcraft lololol this is so true and hilarious.

[@1001-p4q]

The marines just have to walk backwards, there's no reason why the marines would want to get close to the legion. Staying within a couple of hundred metres virtually guarantees victory

[@ohauss]

@@1001-p4q They'll be pelted with lead from the balearic slingers at that range and outflanked by the cavalry which will ride them down as soon as the slingers retreat and what's left of the platoon tries to finally focus on the infantry...

[@killerbee10ify]

Each time a marine shot a soldier someone on the future earth disappears or even a whole clan 🤣🤦‍♂️

[@Jugement]

Not saying US marines are bad per say, but this video is heavily underestimating Romans Of course they would be at a huge disadventage, but still disciplined and skilled in strategy enough to win a 1/100+ ratio battle According to historical evidence, they barely ever took a fight they had no intel on nor full odds of winning, and heavily relied on rapid maneuvers, fortifications, encirclement, foraging and supply line cuts to force their foes into taking disadventagous engagements They didnt conquer half of the know world and built the longest lasting empire by having the combat IQ of call of duty zombies charging into the unknown to the last of them

[@KingZolem]

Yes they were highly disciplined and strategic and inventive and were masters of intelligence...for their time period. The problem is that the marines are all of those things by MODERN standards. And standards have gone up by a lot since then.

[@filipdahlberg4420]

Egyptians and Persians were longer lasting than Roman’s…..

[@God_-ci7nx]

yea then Tell me how would they beat the marine.

[@Jugement]

@@God_-ci7nx Easy. Encircle them, build trenches and walls, and wait to force them to attack a fortified position or starve. 5000 men can easly encircle 40 guys from outside their range. The Marines would have no supply line, no way to loot villages, and unlike Legionaires, arent trained to forage for food. And if encirclement is really not an option, just keep denying them access to looting and harass them. Most legion battles where fought this way : use maneuvering and constent fortification to force their enemy into disadventagous trades. Civil War battles even lasted weeks sometimes, with both Legion outmaneuvering and denying access to supplies to the other for days before an engagement was forced

[@Jugement]

@@KingZolem Nope, Modern combat doctrines do not have regular infantry trained to do military engineering, with the occasional trenchwork as the sole exception Meanwhile Romans, with their doctrine primarily designed around positional warfare, were literally drilled to fortify and forage on the go, with many records even describing it happening while combat was ongoing less than a mile away There is a physical limit to what 40 Marines worth of manpower allows. They would not reasonably be able to prevent their encirclement by 5000 drilled Legionaires, or even safely secure themselves consistent food and water supplies without access to an APC and unlimited fuel

[@CruelestChris]

Roman troops might not be familiar with rifles, but they were familiar with slingers attacking using metal projectiles. They'd probably assume there was a group of slingers somewhere they couldn't see while the sounds of the rifles were some kind of barbarian trick intended to scare them.

[@guitarguru.3572]

I’m pretty sure that the advanced weaponry of the Marines gives them an incredible edge. Imagine being a Roman soldier and seeing a M249 for the first time. Especially when it’s being fired at you. They were tough, they were brave, but they were human and they were not stupid.

[@VosperCDN]

Exactly, the win would be one of failing morale, more than body count.

[@guitarguru.3572]

VosperCDN even a Derringer pistol would probably seem like sorcery to the few that saw it.

[@wilsonmcmahonatgmail]

@@guitarguru.3572 gimme a 5.7 and 6k rds of ammo. Hidden caches and night raids, sleeping in trees... pair of brown overalls...

[@ericprice5471]

I disagree with your conclusion. To explain why... imagine that 48 rouge Marines were trying to kill or capture their own Marine base with a population of 11,500. Imagine that they were able to completely capture all the secured weapons on the base, as well as somehow prevent all other light arms from being used by the base population. Do you think that 48 Marines could kill 11,500 of their fellow Marines - using only their standard gear, under those conditions?

[@terminalius]

Eric Price The Marines were born and raised in the modern day, they understand how firearms work and wouldn’t be (relatively) shocked if gunfire started up. A Roman raised 2000 years ago would have no understanding of a firearm, much less an automatic one too. To them, it’d seem like they were being struck down randomly and mini explosions were happening all around them. That tends to demoralize an enemy pretty quick when you don’t understand how the hell you’re sustaining losses.

[@scheimong]

"There is simply no historical precedent for an event where an army unit loses roughly half of its force and still keeps charging." Well, I think the Japanese would disagree.

[@andrespineda9008]

Spanish Terzios

[@ls200076]

Turkish legion

[@andrewstrongman305]

If you are talking about WW2, no Japanese force lost 50% of it's force and kept advancing. They resorted to last ditch attacks from defensive positions when they had no other option except surrender. There's a big difference.

[@KOKU-JIN]

If the last samurai was real

[@andrewstrongman305]

@@KOKU-JIN And? In reality it was between Japanese federal soldiers against a few hold-out samurai. As for being "real"? Samurai armies had used firearms for centuries prior to the modernisation forced about by the US. A last gesture of defiance is hardly a rarity in warfare.

[@dermuschelschluerfer]

The sound of an A10 will even make their gods retreat

[@cspace1234nz]

Brrrrrrrrrrtttttttttttt !!!

[@chrislad24]

I don't think your taking into account how grouped up the Romans would be. To put it simply you miss a shot it hits someone else

[@maxdrags3115]

True, and the amount of kills that grenade launchers and regular grenades would get is a LOT.

[@LibertyMonk]

He literally explained that the Romans knew something about the capabilities of the Marines, and so would know better than to be in tight formation. It's not even worth discussing how badly it would go for a Roman unit if they used the tactics of the day against automatic and explosive weapons.

[@maxdrags3115]

@@LibertyMonk That was one scenario, and not the realistic one either.

[@chrislad24]

@@LibertyMonk not what I mean, he was counting like if you don't hit your target you miss and that's it. If you miss one you could hit an other

[@flordelphinta]

@@chrislad24 This is late but listen to 9:36 again. He clearly said that if the roman legion bundled up, the marines could go ham.

[@MrCantStopTheRobot]

Marine: Semper Fidelis Centurion: Now you're speaking my lingua.

[@apatheticallyconcerned6574]

At that time period, the Romans would likely believe they were being killed by actual Gods considering the range they're being shot from, the sound of the weapons and grenade impacts, and the fact that they wouldn't be able to see what the hell was shooting at them from that range at the start. Being struck down from 500+ yards with no sight on the enemy and no mental picture or possible imagination of what it could be would be absolutely demoralizing. Remember, they didn't have contacts or glasses at that time, so many of those Romans wouldn't have been able to see very far at all so they might not even think they were being attacked by other humans as the Marines would be in low profile firing positions as opposed to just standing up in the middle of a field. And, imagine if the Marines ambushed them at night? Holy hell, the fear in that legion would be epic. All the Marines really have to do is have ammo runners working overtime, be well positioned to nullify the cavalry, and pick the time and place of engagement. Lastly, if Marines need to retreat or move positions, they'd peel off and continue to put rounds on the Romans. Imagine seeing someone retreat while still killing you as you advance before you can do anything in response other than run into the hail of fire. No contest. Defeated morale = loss for the Romans.

[@chadcong7252]

nice

[@theofficialsikris]

@JR N I also think it would be interesting if the Marines attempted to use psychological warfare on the Romans. Assuming between the 40 of them they have enough knowledge of Roman History and Latin to pull it off. Obviously it would be less direct assault-y and more guerilla campaign, leave carvings on trees in Latin, (depending what time period they were sent back to), talk about events in the near future, talk about Caesar obviously. Tell them things they know, then tell them some apocalypse shit is going to happen very soon. Tell them that you are the Gods, and that you are angry, and that the empire is coming to an end. Just freak them right out, and then watch them dance. The Romans were hella superstitious so given enough shock and awe, I see three scenarios: 1: They laugh it off and try to slaughter you and just end up replicating Binkov's scenario. 2: They shit their pants in awe and straight up handover power to the Empire to whomever controls the platoon. (Claiming to be Jupiter Optimus Maximus might help) 3: Worst case Ontario, you just plunge the entire timeline into complete fucking chaos but that's cool too.

[@dud3man6969]

@@jaydogg2096 and today’s marines would have the same effect on those 16th century Spaniards.

[@luckyjordan8139]

The Marines I have known might die of laughter at the sight of the legion coming at them, but otherwise, they would take command of he legion and start training them to take over India or Persia.

[@carltonmartin3080]

WW1 literally proved this . Calvary charges got cut to shreds by machine gun fire.

[@josephbishop3231]

It's the numbers game here though

[@randydiebold325]

@@josephbishop3231 yes the number is bullets. Bullets are easier to deploy and they charge faster than a Roman soilder. The idea romans theying to rush rifleman is hilarious 🤣

[@johnklaus9111]

Gattling gun fire, not quite the same. Despite what you saw in predator, I don’t think marine nits have a gattling gun standard.

[@brianb7388]

@@johnklaus9111 a Gatling gun is a joke compared to what the marines are packing. a Gatling gun took a 4 man crew to achieve 400 rpm rate of fire. it wasn't mobile, or particularly accurate. a squad automatic weapon can be carried by one guy and has a cyclic rate of 775 rounds per minute and is effective to 800m. maximum range is over 3km. Gatling guns were shockingly powerful in their day because riflemen could only fire 1-3 times per minute.

[@johnklaus9111]

@@brianb7388 gattling, was a person. His gattling gun described s process of migrating shells through a gun that was and is different from the cartridge method. There are handheld versions now and it’s still superior in rpm to other automatic weapons.

[@JoeBurks_1]

They run at 15 seconds per 100 yards for 400 yards? That's a 4 1/2 minute per mile pace which would place them among the world's best runners of the 19th century. Romans running on open ground with thin caligae and a sword in hand while weaving around or hopping over the bodies of those being felled in front of them are not going to maintain that speed.

[@whyjnot420]

At least back in 1999, the US Navy wanted everyone to run a mile and a half in 11 min, after 4 or 5 weeks at RTC (plus up to 2 weeks that only counted as processing days), and speaking from personal experience, that was not what one would call easy.... and thats for sailors in pt clothing. Also, I remember a lecture on the battle of marathon where the lecturer talked about a modern attempt at recreating the supposed full speed charge across all that distance, with trained PE people at college level wearing weighted clothing to simulate the weight of the hoplite panoply...... iirc 1 of them made it across the distance, just barely, in absolutely no condition to then go into melee combat. (yes that was specifically about greek hoplites, but it does give a good idea of what a long charge across open ground in heavy armor will cost in terms of fatigue) The lecture was from professor Garrett Fagan, from the TTC series Great Battles of the Ancient World, either lecture 10 'The Battle of Marathon' or lecture 19 'Legion vs Phalanx - Six Pitched Battles', if I am remembering this correctly.

[@Kira-pc4mq]

add having to fight or run further due to marines backing up. i don't think the romans will make it

[@cullenwear8419]

@@whyjnot420 I run my 2 mile in 13 minutes in the middle of fort drum winters. It's not too hard.

[@anthonysciabarrasi2611]

if romans started hearing loud bangs and started seeing their fellow soldiers bleeding uncontrollably i think they’d run awsy

[@mook3204]

Keyboard Warrior yes considering they folded like paper when they saw elephants

[@Person01234]

The vast majority of soldiers in historical battles fled, there weren't many battles where a majority of soldiers died before one side broke. And it was a real effect when firearms when they were first introduced that the noise and the smoke and the fire had a psychological impact on the opposing side that weren't familiar with them. I think it's safe to say that yes, if they just started falling over by the dozen with bangs going off all around they'd be out of there.

[@alienlife7754]

You really think they didn’t see that all the time? Hand to hand combat was brutal! Slashing weapons do not leave bruises. They cut, deep.

[@phantom_5687]

Danish Wistara exactly, not to mention the explosions would spook horses and romans would be scared shitless

[@Funhaus_Ryan]

Standard loadout of 7 mags per man, 30 rounds per mag, with 39 fighting Marines is 8,190 rounds of ammo. Marines have this in the bag.

[@marquisdelafayette1929]

I believe they would immediately surrender, thinking they were Gods.

[@Nikolapoleon]

4:12

[@WhoThisMonkey]

The marines would be a lot taller than the Romans, also white of skin would make them think they are norse gods potentially, or some sort of previously unencountered Germanic tribe.

[@stunner9005]

Also they wouldn’t understand us , English is a Germanic language.

[@WhoThisMonkey]

@@stunner9005 Yeah, Romans spoke Latin, even if you know the modern interpretation of Latin you probably would have some trouble communicating with them, because there's likely some differences, noteably Cs being pronounced as a K. So Caeser would've potentially have been pronounced Kaeser, who knew Bethesda were right all along. I do believe English is a hybrid of Latin and Germanic languages though.

[@MrLOTZALUV]

In comparison Marines are Gods

[@xUltimatexInstinctx]

Whole roman empire vs 1 Apache helicopter 😁

[@ianfarr-wharton1000]

Marines V's Emu's

[@jctve2698]

Slaughter house...

[@sbugmanthenoobinator]

The helicopter would run out of fuel long before the roman empire could collapse.

[@tylarkit4439]

Have you ever watched the anime G.A.T.E (The one where the JDSF counter invades and brings some well needed modernization along with freedom to a legion/roman styled era world)? That will plainly and entertainingly answer these questions.

[@theveryaveragegamer9865]

Yes, it is one of my favorite anime, and when I first saw this video, I just kept thinking about it

[@patrickoconnell59]

This is an absurd question. The Legion could not get within 200m of a Marine rifle platoon without being annihilated by rifle and machine-gun fire. As soon as the fire team leaders engaged with 40mm grenades, anybody still standing would be fragged. Of course, the Marines would shoot the Centurions first, and then the general. This would be a slaughter. All the Marines would have to do is keep moving to stay out of range of the pila. Now, if the legion had ballista and other artillery, the Marines might need to target their crews early in the battle. Who is going to man ancient artillery against Marines who can kill them at 500m? To lose that battle, you would have to be the dumbest 2nd Lieutenant ever to graduate IOC.

[@ArkanSenn]

Have you watched Gate? (The anime)

[@Gamer-xs3be]

Basically this scenario except with the Japanese army.

[@jheyagev5920]

imperial army got slaughtered

[@007kuntasod]

Nah bro. The marines will call in the A10 to provide CAS. Brrrt everyone

[@sutton983]

Things organic to a USMC rifle platoon. 9 designated marksman rifles 9 light machine guns 9 M203 grenade launchers 1 M32 grenade launcher 2 M240 machine guns 2 SMAW rockers 1 60mm mortar system

[@nickcalderone1937]

You don't know what your talking about that would be more along the lines of a weapons platoon not rifle. And your number are wrong as well. In a rifle platoon of 48 you'll have: 4 designated marksman rifles (Hk416) 12 m4a1's with an m203 12 Squad automatic weapons (Hk416) The rest will have m4a1s or hk416s If your lucky you'll have 1 M32 and as many laws and at4s as you can carry but usually it's 1 per squad

[@GalicianFromLemberg]

why the hell after three years... we just now are getting the recommendation ?!?

[@gabecollins5585]

Fr

[@RyMusicShorts]

Yes

[@brianx2504]

Marines would win no problem and likely with zero casualties. Ancient roman body armor can not defeat 5.56 unless at very long range. If every marine was only a rifle man carrying a standard load of 7 magazines, then they would have over 9000 rounds. This is not accurate though because they also have machine gunners with large amounts of ammo so they should have plenty of ammo to kill everyone. Something else to consider in a real battle is morale. The romans were disciplined but likely could not deal with seeing several waves of attacks be absolutely destroyed in a very short amount of time. The sound of gunfire would also make an ancient soldier very scared. In reality the marines would probably only have to kill a few thousand before the romans are retreating. Ancient battles with thousands of casualties last HOURS, they would lose that in 10 minutes.

[@hentaihokage1347]

watch GATE on Animesuge.io and you'll see that JSDF can easily take down more than 10000+ medieval soldiers

[@theantianimeassociation7574]

you have to take in account though the Romans had bows and technology that shot dozens of huge spears and rocks at one spot

[@brianx2504]

@@theantianimeassociation7574 Okay, you are talking about a max range of a few hundred yards on even the best english longbows. Romans werent known for their archers either. And archers stand out in the open while firing. They are easily outranged and easy targets for even standard rifleman. Designated marksman would also obliterate them.

[@ghuttsmckenzie4269]

Yeah, not to mention if they used modern tactics and explosives, along with assassinating officers and leaders it would end up causing opposing force to probably retreat.

[@yummychips_]

you do understand that. its 9030 roundds. That means the casualty ratio per bullet has to be under 2 roounds per soldier. Sure you might get a multi casualty, per round. That does not offset the required ratio. This very fact, means that the battle will boil down to preset battle conditions. This is just specultive terriroty, not any real justifications. Realistically, there is to much suspension of realism and disbelief to really make a proper judgement. There are far to many underlying factors, even if we vaccum and pited 43 marines vs 5000 roman soldiers. Iniativie, enviornment, distance, intent and purpose, are some of the minor things to think about. These are just 2 very different types of soldiers, developed and utilized verseus vastly different opponent. It is basically nonsensical to even try to reason this. Its the superman vs batman question. Basically plot decides.

[@soadyyyyy]

You don’t even need 43 marines, all you need is 1 AC-130

[@BosonCollider]

You need an airbase and a support crew for that. Along with the whole infrastructure to refuel it, etc etc. That's way more than 43 men

[@kaksepravi2432]

:d

[@DKtrek21]

Romans fight with numbers but to counter that, marines will just hit and run. It is really degrading that your comrades are slaughtered and you can't do anything about that. Marine commanders are also very smart tacticians.

[@kennethwickey3661]

There is no way anyone is sprinting 400m in 60 seconds while wearing armor and then being effective in hand to hand combat

[@lt0181]

The marines would pick the time and the location of any battles. Leadership, logistics support, and horses would be slaughtered. There’s no way they are sitting in an open plain waiting for 5000 guys with swords to get to them. They’d grind them out night after night.

[@toby1061]

Yeah or hide in the Forest and kill the Roman patrols searching for them.

[@victorribeiro2431]

Things get a little complicated when stuff starts shooting 900 rounds per minute.

[@EckRD]

Yeah a platoon can probably take out a dozen or so romans. Best they conserve ammo or they are screwed. 5000 romans is too many lol for a platoon.

[@victorribeiro2431]

@@EckRD arm some guys from the platoon with a SAW or a Mag... Watch the whole legion getting supressed by machine gun automatic fire

[@EckRD]

@@victorribeiro2431 that's if the platoon has unlimited ammo and food. 5000 is way too many. 249 and 240 will probably result in hundreds of roman casualties and wounded.

[@supremecaffeine2633]

@@EckRD You're forgetting overpenetration and morale. The ammunition used by the marine's is more than capable of overpenetrating through multiple targets. One shot could easily kill or injure several men who are lined up. Generally, losing even just 10% of your fighting force is a major blow to moral. Especially if you haven't reached the enemy yet.

[@donimmerlax]

This is as absurd as asking how many toddlers Mike Tyson would be able to take on in a boxing ring.

[@hmsrenown7801]

At least 7 or more

[@BobBob-cy9cu]

So not absurd at all then?

[@carenthusiast4254]

Turn out, the twist at end was Romans had been replaced by Mike Tyson, and the Marines replaced by toddlers. We all know of course, the victory end of who will have the lastest of laughs.

[@kaibakker5626]

Me have to work at 7 am Me also at 3 am: i dont need sleep i need answers.

[@bedouinknight9437]

Just look to WW1 and what a single machine-gun nest done to weaves and weaves of soldiers in the battlefield, the Romans have no chance (:

[@ls200076]

And then the ammo runs out and the romans get the chance to fortify themselves. Don't underestimate the enemy.

[@Ghivcftyhhvvcfyyh]

elektron117 17:22 Look at the amount of ammo they have, and explosives. The romans would rout before they even got close

[@IgabodDobagi]

there's also the infamous charge of the Japanese into heavily fortified US positions. They were absolutely fanatical though and didn't rout. They ran straight into a wall of lead and kept coming. A few got through and took some Americans out, but not nearly enough. I remember reading a story about one machine gunner who had piles of dead Japanese soldiers stacked up so high he had to move them out of the way just to have a clear line of fire to shoot the rest.

[@IgabodDobagi]

@J D Thank you, I have horrible memory for details like that. I think you are right, it was the guadalcanal one I was talking about.

[@clone3_7]

If the Romans are lead by Quintus Fabius, then the marines will die of old age, because they'll never get to engage the Romans.

[@sirxavior1583]

I think 10,000 Zulus Vs. 500 1800's Era British Soldiers fighting in Africa is a more realistic comparison.

[@wheneggsdrop1701]

Already happened called the zulu war.

[@sirxavior1583]

@@wheneggsdrop1701 . Exactly Binkov should have analysed The Battle Of Rorke's Drift before putting up this scenario.

[@MisdirectedSasha]

@@sirxavior1583 The problem with real-world comparisons is that real-world military leaders don't behave like the weird robots you would need for these arena battle scenarios. At Rourke's Drift, for example, the Zulu spent about a day trying to take the post, and when they couldn't, decided to move on as it wasn't worth it. Rourke's Drift should also not be taken as representative of the Zulu War (the Brits just like to talk about it 'cause they won). The Zulu beat the British pretty handily at Isandlwana, for example.

[@rocketscience4516]

You missed something out - charging Romans tripping over suddenly dead Romans in front of them, getting slowed and possibly injured.

[@deathcharge5468]

We already have an answer to this question it’s called “GATE”

[@HaoNTG]

LOL true

[@lowlydubviewer3998]

I was looking for this comment :)

[@MultiTrollNation]

All is well until the facts change a little. A Marine Infantry Platoon is comprised of three riflemen squads led by a squad leader. That’s 3 fire teams (4 men) + a squad leader, making it 13 per squad. And the fourth squad is comprised of 4 M240B medium machine gun crews (3 men: loader, gunner, spotter) + a squad leader. Furthermore, the advanced tactics such as “zone of fire” and “talking guns” increase the effectiveness and conversely the deadlines of the platoon itself. Bringing the total count of the platoon to 52 and then a platoon sergeant, in the Marine Corps it’s usually a Staff Sergeant (E-6), bringing the total to 53. A platoon tends to be the deadliest of all formations because it can produce more firepower than a single squad, but is substantially more versatile than a company (4 platoons). - Sources: I’m a Marine Infantryman.

[@MrSobe00]

The fact he didn't even bring up machine guns is kinda weird. Raking fire against a giant line formation with multiple lines stacked behind it, would be absolute slaughter even a thousand yards away. As long as you ranged the shots correctly you literally couldnt miss. Rifles too, the numbers he used were for precision shooting against point targets, but the effective range is out to 800 yds for area targets. He gave way to much of a handicap.

[@MultiTrollNation]

MrSobe00 Couldn’t agree more. Are/were you a marine per chance?

[@MultiTrollNation]

Half Chink No sir, in a combat situation, there will always be a squad of M240s to assist, especially if the AO (Area of Operations) is known to be hot and your chance of contact is high.

[@TheMinecraftJava]

When you are playing against a civilization who rushed their tech tree to the modern era.

[@kumaflamewar6524]

To be fair i have absolutely sent waves of inferior cheap units to a grizzly victory in civ. Morale is not a factor lol

[@aznmarty256]

10% comments = Just snipe the Roman officers 10% comments = Marines will run out of ammo 80% comments = So there's this anime called GATE...

[@KICKASSoBASSIST]

If you haven’t seen it the anime is good

[@KOKU-JIN]

Old but good, still better than some gringe isekai bullshit Also have the best legal loli :)

[@a-drewg1716]

the anime could have been better if they focused more on the military aspect and less on the shitty harem romance plot.

[@michaelhaykal6548]

@@a-drewg1716 you should look up the manga if you want that

[@jeremywinkles1]

A Marine platoon going into war would also have SAW's, Mark 19's, and possibly even 50's, depending on the platoon they may even have mortars. This hypothetical is limiting Marines to just their M-16's or M-4's, without the M203 grenade launchers. I'll bite though. During Desert Strom the US launched an investigation into the Marine Corp due to the number of headshots being recorded. The US thought we may be violating the Geneva Convention and executing unarmed POW's. The result of the investigation determined that we were just that fucking good. So you may want to up that accuracy number from 50 to say 80 since the Romans know jack about guerilla warfare. A platoon of Marines would wipe the floor with all of Rome, and be drinking whiskey by week's end in Cesare's Palace all pissed off cause they haven't invented crayons yet, and there aren't any strippers in the palace. God help them if they pulled a platoon with Chesty Puller in charge, He'd take over that whole damn continent just to prove that Marines are the badest fighting force on the planet.

[@veramae4098]

"The Marines I have seen around the world have the cleanest bodies, the filthiest minds, the highest morale, and the lowest morals of any group of animals I have ever seen. Thank God for the United States Marine Corps!" -Eleanor Roosevelt, 1945.

[@1302VL]

Basically the Battle of Bloedrivier. 400 Dutch farmers vs 10.000 Zulus. Result: 3 lightly wounded Dutchmen, 3000 dead Zulus colouring the river red.

[@revon7202]

le gun

[@1302VL]

@@revon7202 and the superiority of European discipline.

[@katze256]

@@1302VL ah yes the superior european discipline of dutch farmers.

[@1302VL]

@@katze256 absolutely. Not long later these Dutch farmers, although outgunned, would make the forces of the British Empire tremble in the Boer Wars. Eventually they had to resort to putting the farmers wives and children in concentration camps to defeat them.

[@katze256]

@@1302VL So i looked it up; what the fuck you know i think ill stick to making fun of the french for the time being

[@sliccricc1654]

This is basically Fallout New Vegas

[@danpierce7716]

Underated comment!!!

[@-nottobetakenseriously-7179]

Well, the stagnation of technology and the loss of knowledge in the post-apocalyptic era made the defense of the New California Republic to the Legion harder than it had to be, but yeah, basically.

[@ravener96]

the romans would never be able to find the marines. stealthy movement is the norm in modern combat, but a roman legion marches as a complete unit. ammunition supply permitting you could guerilla a complete roman army to death without too much issue. keep shooting the guy with the fanciest hats and it all falls apart.

[@FrankdaFrickinTank]

Ngl may work

[@willneverbehandsome2714]

Basically an easy ambush

[@theodurnayne3874]

30 men vs 5000-8000 when the Marines have (at best) 3000 rounds of ammo in the platoon.

[@ravener96]

​@@theodurnayne3874 firstly you dont need to kill every man to destroy the army as a fighting force, just keep eliminating commanders and it goes to shit, secondly, regarding the (at best) 3k rounds. a combat load for an infantryman is seven magazines, but can go up past ten-twelve mags. this isnt counting the five or so belts of ammo per SAW, of which there will be several in the platoon. even a pretty conservative count puts you around 8k rounds in a platoon, before you start including lose rounds to reload with, which is also pretty common to bring. then we have the sixty ish grenades, 40mm grenade launchers, side arms, plastic explosives etc. they dont always bring all the extra toys, but they would undoubtably have at least some. for this scenario 8k- 15k rounds is a pretty reasonable estimate