Could An F1 Car Win The INDY 500?!

[@sams-pg7hj]

This video is basically saying, if they totally redid the f1 car to be an indycar style car with less aero, the right engine that could do the 500 miles, they could win. As it stands as a simple outright question, The simple answer is no, the f1 car cant because of aero and the engine couldn't handle it and the brake energy recovery system doesnt work because there really isn't much braking.

[@prattomatic]

I like the way you phrase the problem (“take Max’s car from parc ferme after the race and put it on the Indy grid”) - any other comparison isn’t fair, to be honest. They’re two completely different use cases with different design patterns. Yeah, the 2019 IndyCar is 14 seconds a lap slower at COTA, but that’s done with 10% of the budget and on a car that has to be heavy and strong to safely race on ovals. If you gave the Indy teams the ability to have an entire road-specific chassis, the gap could be closed quite a bit. F1 cars will always be faster on a circuit, but it’s kind of a apples and oranges question. As for ovals, you might be able to get an F1 car to be able to be competitive at Indy if you let the team work on aero and the like, but the car would be a death trap. The safety design of an F1 car is just so completely different as to make most of the parts of the car and tub relating to safety on a circuit either useless or actively dangerous on an oval. Not to discount the insane high-level amount of safety work done on F1 cars, but they don’t have to design around the expectation of hitting a wall at 230 mph in a typical accident. An IndyCar is a tank compared to an F1 car.

[@indycarcomplainer2304]

Give IndyCar a shot! It’s a lot of fun. The Indianapolis 500 is an amazing event.

[@FormulaFox]

And yes, IndyCar drivers DO make those weightjacker and antiroll bar adjustments from IN the car while racing. There is an amusing onboard from several years ago where you see Tony Kanaan reach down and make an adjustment, and his suspension responds by saying "f*** this s***" and the car just randomly hooks roght into the wall.

[@Tydyjav1]

If you did all the things to an F1 car to even finish an Indy 500, it would no longer be an F1 car.

[@darrinlindsey]

The track at Indy isn't an oval. It's a rounded off rectangle. That's a lot different than an oval, when a speed of 210+ is in play.

[@xerxeszero586]

Still only turning one way tho

[@easyenetwork2023]

@@xerxeszero586At very high speeds. Watch the still shots of the Indy 500 compared to F1.

[@Kyle86910]

In practice at indy yesterday 3 people went 242+ mph fastest was 244mph into T1

[@jimcurt99]

If they raced at Indy in 2 weeks the Indy cars would DESTROY them... when was the last time an F1 car had to last for 500 miles? it was a REALLY long time ago

[@NealB123]

He ignored the fact that F1 doesn't allow refueling and around 190 miles is as far as an F1 car can go on a full tank of fuel. So the F1 car might have a chance to win the Indy 190 but not gonna win the Indy 500. 🤣

[@easyenetwork2023]

Yes, they don’t refuel now, so how are they going to modify them to refuel again and recharge the electric portion of the hybrid system.

[@jacobfarrow7096]

The best part of being from Indy, the 500 is truly a spectacle.

[@frankisfunny2007]

Also, the Lotus F1 team did win the Indy 500 in 1965. With a massive help by NASCAR's Wood Brothers Racing as their fast pit crew, NASCAR's current oldest team.

[@easyenetwork2023]

People don’t realize how great NASCAR pit crews really are. They are incredibly fast for what they are doing.

[@toddbice4179]

Just a few thoughts, they would need to start the race with 500 miles worth of fuel or run the same fuel as indy cars that's really going to effect the top f1 teams more pit stops for tires which puts them laps down and still carrying the loads of fuel. I personally would like to see if the f1 engine would last 500 sustained miles at that rpm as well. Sweet video I subscribe from ohio usa 6:32

[@Posirep]

Straight up answer. If you entered a this year's Red Bull car in the Indy 500...no. it wouldn't have a chance. If they made a chassis fit for oval spec, then yes. But thats not gonna happen. lol Plus Max has straight up said he's too much of a pussy to do it anyway and it scares him.

[@Cashcrop54]

There have been several F1 drivers that have won the Indy 500. Emerson Fitipaldi, Mario Andretti, Danny Sullivan, Rodger Ward, Jacques Villeneuve, and a few more.

[@MFitz12]

The Indycar adjustments for the roll bars and weight jacker are all driver adjustable during the race. Many times drivers will make multiple adjustments per lap.

[@FormulaFox]

A major issue was overlooked in this video: Tire aerodynamics. NOTHING on an open wheel car produces more drag than the tires. They're one step short of being gigantic bricks to begin with, then they make things worse by spinning and disrupting the airflow even more. This is the primary reason modern open wheelers universally use narrower front tires - they reduce drag. As noted in the video, F1's tires are wider than IndyCar's by a not insignificant degree. The additional drag will be MASSIVE. An F1 car will not be able to overcome this without designing parts that go outside of series regulations. Now, the video is also outdated seeing as it was based on the old F1 regs. The new regs have produced much smoother aerodynamics, but the problem of the tires still remains. An F1 car could get very close, but if the changes were restricted to being within what's allowed by the F1 rulebook, it would not make it.

[@eclipze9412]

The Indy 500 used to be on the F1 calendar actually. Although it was way back, 1950-1960. In an era where the cars were way more similar. If you were looking to learn more about Indycar I would recommend "What Exactly is an IndyCar?" by S1apSh0es. Great little look at the origin, history and evolution of our openwheelers here in America. Such a rich history behind these things, without them American motorsport as a whole would look way different.

[@kilewithani2]

great video, great history lesson.

[@RRaquello]

There is a misconception. While the Indy 500 was part of the World Championship, it was never a Formula One race because the cars weren’t Formula One cars. Nowadays they mean the same thing, but back then they didn’t.

[@a00141799]

Its clear that the two cars are designed so differently to excel in their perspective environments that a heads up race would depend on which kind of track was being used. So it is an apple and oranges comparison as it stand. I too wonder that if you give an IndyCar team the opportunity to design a car to compete in F1 circuit could they field a competitive car. My guess is that they could be competitive.

[@BritishGuy22]

Unless you gave the task to the mclaren indycar team 😂

[@easyenetwork2023]

They would have to modify an F1 car greatly because of aero and HP differences.

[@johnspeicher4175]

I like that video. It's actually giving me ideas for my own street car

[@gsprings43]

One aspect they didn't mention is the f1 driver getting used to ovals,,,many have foud out it's not as easy as it looks

[@AxelFoleyDetroitLions]

Checkered Flags are waving in all my neighbors yards! Indianapolis Here! It’s always held Memorial Day Weekend …..With 1 exception (during Covid), The Race actually occurred on my Birthday (August 23) BTW, im only an Indy Car Fan the weekend 1million people visit my city….I Grew up with this very Specific Race (school field trips to the race track)….Family/friends with tickets to events surrounding the race….It’s part of my City every year. (Brickyard 400 im a Nascar Fan that weekend)

[@downnice95]

Interesting fact is in before the split between Indy Racing League and CART that indycar was a constructor series like F1 but in 1996 a rift between the various teams caused a split CART remained similar to F1 and IRL became a spec series who only ran ovals before the merger in 2008

[@prattomatic]

I’ve been a lifelong fan of both F1 and IndyCar, they’re both awesome sports that come at things from opposite angles. I love the competition and diversity of IndyCar, and from a pure racing perspective, it just wipes the floor with F1. Formula One, however, is the pinnacle - it has the technology, the engineering competition, the prestige and the spectacle. They’re both amazing and absolutely complement each other. You really should watch the Indy 500 this year - open wheel oval racing is amazing to watch.

[@scott4482]

Back in the day, before the rules were so standardized in both sports. Lotus actually entered a couple of cars at Indy, they did quite well, but the cars in both venues were so different then than now I don't believe it could be duplicated.

[@RRaquello]

They won the race in 1965. The car was a modified F1 car. If you see pictures of it you can see it was offset to race on an oval. That’s the most obvious change because you can actually see it, but I ‘m sure there were others in the set up and construction.

[@nathanfugate8210]

No tire warmers, no 10 men in the pits, no DRS. Not a chance.

[@Lobo-tommy10]

I was lucky to see the F1 cars run at Indy with V10s. The F1 tires couldn't handle the load however.

[@chrissears5482]

@British Guy My problem with F1 is the same issue I have with Premier League futbol. The teams that have the most money always win. It would be way more interesting for me to get in to if they all had a max cap so it was even playing

[@benebacher2470]

9:18 the quick answer is no. The original video is just changing the prompt to make the video more interesting.

[@Jasongilliar]

So the Video is outdatet lol, because now we have groundeffect. So it would be faster?

[@AxelFoleyDetroitLions]

A swedish Racer won last year….. You’re likely to have Racers entering the 500 from all Over and i’m willing to bet you’ll recognize a name or two from other racing circuits you might follow. The Indy 500 attracts drivers from all sorts of racing-circuits around the globe. Who wouldn’t want to compete in front of 500,000 spectators and be a part of the history in Indy? (There is a lot of Engineering history around here). Fun fact: The Only Civil War Battle that occurred in Indiana, was at the site of the Indianapolis 500 (people say it’s haunted)

[@frankisfunny2007]

At some point, please react to sprint cars..... There's 2 KZbinrs I'd like to see you have the honors of introducing you to the sprint car class.... Racing KZbinr S1apSh0es did a fantastic job on giving an introduction to the class. What all does what, etc.... Racing driver, and KZbinr Joe Lusk Racing does give some similarities between sprint cars, and Formula 1 cars

[@nham8875]

Short answer: no. Slightly longer answer: yes, if they could develop a package because they have more powerful engines

[@justchillin6793]

I don’t watch motor racing. I don’t have the patience to watch them drive around a track 200 times whether it has right turns or not

[@TimnSteph1]

At Indy the engines are only producing about 550hp due to restricted boost. Boost is increased during qualifying. At the speeds they are going they can't go much faster or the drivers would require G suits, In 2001 the Texas CART race had be cancelled because the sustained high G's seen in practice were causing drivers to almost black out. A current F1 car could not sustain running maximum RPM for almost 3 hours and would also run out of fuel. If you allowed the F1 car to make changes then all Indycar would have to do is uncork the engines to max boost so they made their 750hp. The F1 cars are too draggy, do not have the correct suspension or fuel capacity so could not win Indy.

[@levondarratt787]

Yes, but within a week or two F1 would show up with a 1200 hp car and it would be game over. There’s no scenario where Indy 500 wouldn’t be dominated by F1 if they wanted it.

[@spydermag5644]

I need my 11 minutes back. Good job sitting in front of a screen and watching another channel’s content.

[@sudo_rm_vrf]

React to the final laps of the Texas Indycar race from this year! It was freakin’ awesome.

[@shrodingerschat2258]

The under-car aero tunnels on Indy cars produce so much downforce that at 100 mph the car could race on an upside down track and not fall off!

[@toddbice4179]

By the you may want to check out this last week end nascar race at Kansas

[@Angelbonilla1982]

Forgot look for the vid Alex Palou driving his car at curve at 243mph in a blink 😮😮😮 yesterday in practice Indy 500 its insane with just 720hp!, imagine at keast 1000hp like F1!!

[@ronclark9724]

The Indy car would win easily. The race is 500 miles long, approximately 805 kilometers. A typical F1 race, let’s say Monza because it is also a high speed race, is approximately 365 kilometers long. (63 laps x 5.793 km) Therefore, before they have raced 100 laps of the 200 laps, Max’s race car would run out of fuel with no quick way to refuel it.😂

[@levondarratt787]

Who cares an F1 cars twice as fast it’s like comparing Toyota Prius versus a Tesla….. they would obviously make bigger tanks or allow for refueling. Heck the F1 driver could take a lunch break and come back and win.

[@capnrob97]

F1 cars are not designed for the g force effects and banked corners of Indy 500. Oil would not be evenly dispersed and the engine would be destroyed in short order.

[@johnduval6377]

If anyone wants to check out a very cool racing video check out the (1951 NASCAR Langhorn southern 500.) 103 cars entered on a 1 mile circular race track. Absolutely amazing racing along with some incredible accidents. Including 2 major fires, one in the pits and one right before the pits with a car basically exploding with driver inside who you can watch escape as its burning. This fire causes a 30-car pileup at racing speeds because of the circular track. TRUST ME I HATED TEXTING ALL OF THIS BUT ITS WORTH IT. LOL

[@johnduval6377]

BEFORE WATCHING..... NO

[@SAVikingSA]

The whole "well F1 teams would spend the money" thing is such a cop out. American motorsport developed in a way that saw American companies spend money here, and our motorsport is much more grass roots than it is in Europe. If the rules made Indy a WDC race again, Ford and Boeing would spend a billion dollars just to stunt on everyone.

[@scott4482]

No, an F1 car would be blown up and parked long before 500 miles

[@Manbunmen65]

It's like saying can Indycar beat a F1 car at Monaco.

[@RRaquello]

With the technical know how F1 teams have, they no doubt could build a winning race car for Indy, but it would have to be so modified it would no longer be an F1 car. If you took the Red Bull car racing this year and in two weeks put it on the Indy 500 grid, no way it could win because it wouldn’t last the 500 miles. Indy lasts almost 4 hours. F1 never races over 2 hours. The car would blow up. BTW, if I was British I’d be an F1 fan too, since F1 is basically a British sport and everyone else participating is just pretending. For the British racing fan, there’s no reason to follow any other series since they own Formula One.

[@jos76e831]

I love both sports ❤️

[@MICKEY-LOGANO]

No I don’t think they could. And they guy in the video is basing it if they completely change the car. The answer to your question is if you could say take a current F1 car to the Indy 500 and win. The answer is no. Also I think he is a little bit biased because he’s mainly an f1 channel and the majority of F1 fans tend to be biased towards f1 when it comes to comparing them to other sports. Basically what he’s saying is if F1 just out of the blue removed these regulations that hold them back to change everything to race on an oval. That’s like putting a stock car from the NASCAR cup series and let them spend an entire year changing the aero package from what it currently is which 670 hp to like 1000 hp. And making it aero dynamically dominated to where it could beat an Indycar. When in reality if you put one on the track under the cup rules and regulations like F1 they would get their butts handed to them.

[@JordanRunge14]

If an F1 team could have time to change everything about an f1 car and basically make it into an Indycar, yes, it could win the Indy 500 lol. But an f1 as is, no way

[@loach392]

F1 World Driving Championship and they can't even drive a stick shift. Put them in 70's car and they would be lost.

[@bernarddubois3122]

I used to love f1 , the Indy series is so much better.

[@freedom6919741]

Not with an F1 driver in it. To scared of ovals

[@AxelFoleyDetroitLions]

Indy On Sunday

[@michaelhogg324]

An IndyCar would BLOW AWAY an F1 Car away and it is not built for Ovals! Oh don't get me wrong F1 is fun to watch but the bad thing about it is that there is little to no passing and who ever is in the lead earlier pretty much wins the race!

[@captainjosue]

I have given up on F1 it's so predictable. Honestly, it's boring. 2021 season of F1 was the best and sadly I don't think we'll ever see a season like that again. I miss the battles of Schumi vs Hakkinen or Schumi vs Montoya. We just got over the Merc Ham domination and now it's the RB Max domination era. Because of this, I'd rather watch indycar and WEC. Just saw the indy 500 and later the 24hrs of LeMans....WOW!!! Both amazing events. Amazing racing. It's no surprise both of those events are part of the triple crown.

[@meejinhuang]

F1 would win in the Indy GP course. Indy will destroy F1 on the main course because the Indy cars have higher top speed and will lap the F1 cars.

[@SylviusTheMad]

I'm not sure that's true. The indycars are slightly faster in a straight line (the fastest an F1 car has ever been on an F1 circuit is 378 km/h (Valtteri Bottas at Baku in 2016), but they corner much faster. The F1 car would carry that speed through the corner better than the Indycar, I think, and thus be faster over a lap. Also, that Baku car was set up to drive a street circuit, not an oval. Honda once drove an F1 car at 397 km/h in a test environment, which is quite a bit faster than an Indycar in 500 race trim.

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

@@SylviusTheMad F1 cars aren't likely to have much speed on an Indy car through a corner, neither one will lose that much speed compared to corner entry. I'd be curious how many laps an F1 car could do on a full fuel load compared to an Indy car, that's probably the decisive factor.

[@MFitz12]

Of course an F1 car can't even run 500 miles. Not enough fuel.

[@skaldlouiscyphre2453]

No, an F1 car with an hour of time to get it setup for Indy wouldn't be able to win. Straight off of an F1 grid, not a damn chance. An F1 car with a reasonable amount of development time absolutely could.

[@DocGorilla]

No it would hit the wall and the driver would be lucky to live.

[@sams-pg7hj]

you would essentially have to make it an off brand indycar with less wing aero, stronger structures for safety, change the Venturi tunnels to indycar spec, and be able to refuel. at that point, just follow the indycar rules and buy a dallara dw-12 for 400k and drive the real indycar

[@Angelbonilla1982]

F1 has more than 1000hp and more grip but put that same HP to Indy car? F1 would get destroyed

[@wckdaintgood]

I don’t think there’s anyway a current f1 car is winning the indy500

[@DocGorilla]

No, it would crash and someone would die. This is stupid as hell. They just dont understand it.

[@gsprings43]

F1 engine would blow up,,,,they would have to turn it down some

[@nickyeoman2125]

To answer your specific question on how it would fair if you just dropped Max Verstappen’s Red Bull F1 car into the Indy 500 the answer is it would not be competitive and the Indycar would destroy it. And sure like the original video pointed out, if F1 could develop an oval car it would indeed beat the current Indycar but in that scenario you’d have to assume Indycar teams would also be allowed an open rule book to develop their own car and that is where theoretically it would get interesting. The budgets and technology advantage of F1 vs the endless experience and past knowledge of how a car needs to be set up on an oval that Indycar teams would have. But plainly, no. A current F1 car would get lapped many times by a current Indycar at Indianapolis.

[@indy500tabasco8]

F1 cant race more than 200miles or 2hours time frame while Indy500 is 500Miles of hardcore grueling flatout no bs . Max and his redbull F1 got 0% chance in Indy500 let alone if they can make through turn 1.

[@NolmDirtyDan]

You just have to get into Nascar, its way better than indycar

[@BritishGuy22]

I think Indycar is a good transition for Europeans because it has a mixture of different races

[@JB09712]

In no way is nascar better than Indycar. Indy has faster cars with more downforce and more entertaining racing. Personally nascar is only fun to me when seeing crashes. Don’t get me wrong nascar can still be fun especially if you are really into the sport but personally I would choose indycar any day. And this is coming from someone who lives 30 minutes from Talladega

[@goldenageofdinosaurs7192]

NASCAR is alright, but in no way is it better than Indy car, F1, Rally, LeMans, Short Track etc..

[@jayminbernhardt4952]

@@JB09712 faster cars don’t mean good racing. Just watch F1 to see what fast cars and no passing looks like. Indy car is somewhere inbetween F1 and NASCAR when it comes to exciting racing. Open wheel will never be as rugged or as exciting as NASCAR just because of the fact that they are open wheeler which mean you can’t bump anyone

[@Barfarve]

Clown comment

[@JayStephens8]

Indycar is so much better than F1, F1 is so garbage like what’s the appeal other than international racing it’s a complete waste of time

[@michellegardenier2174]

No it couldn’t

[@Zach-mw5so]

There was going to be an IndyCar game but it was delayed until next year by Motorsport Games. Yes, the company failed with the NASCAR game, but here’s hoping they can make a good IndyCar game

[@BritishGuy22]

Yeah I was so ready to play this game on my gaming channel too. I have a racing wheel and pedals so it would have been perfect 😭

[@Zach-mw5so]

@@BritishGuy22 oh man :/

[@joenascarfan7867]

F1 to me is boring racing, rich boys in a private club with no outsiders allowed. INDYCAR on the other hand is competitive racing vs F1. At least 1/3 of the field is on the lead lap or more at the end of a race with numerous cars vying fir the win. And the 500! Nothing in racing comes close, not F1, NASCAR, Nothing.

[@don7680]

F1 cars couldn't run wide open at full revs for the length of the race. They'd blow up in minutes. They couldn't withstand the insane hits from crashes there either.

[@thomasp3101]

Did you literally say spec cars are bad for racing?? My man you clearly don't know much about anything other than F1. Actually spec racing guarantees a level playing Field and showcases the best drivers abilities and has more overtakes and is more competitive....... You F 1 country club dudes really don't know anything other than the richest team wins because they have the most money to put into the car. And that's why you get people like Lewis Hamilton and Max verstappen and very very boring predictable races.

[@thomasp3101]

Ok you acknowledged it lol u get a pass lol