COULD HARRY AND MEGHAN LOSE THEIR TITLES? Duke and Duchess of Sussex. Prince Harry and Meghan Markle

Could Prince Harry be STRIPPED OF HIS ROYAL TITLES, or lose them in some other way and what would that mean for his wife and children?
Prince Harry and Meghan Markle are known as the Duke and Duchess of Sussex, a title which was bestowed on Harry just before his wedding in 2018 and which Meghan holds as his wife. Their children, as the grandchildren of a monarch, are HRH Prince Archie of Sussex and HRH Princess Lilibet of Sussex (they previously used the surname Mountbatten-Windsor). However, since the couple’s decision to step back from royal duties and move to America in 2020 and their very public criticisms of the royal family, there have been calls to strip them of their titles and reduce them to Mr and Mrs Mountbatten-Windsor. Could this be done though. While it is true that they no longer for use their HRH titles (His/Her Royal Highness), they had to agree to do that and they still technically hold those titles. They were never forcibly removed.
In this royal documentary from History Calling I look at the historic precedents for removing a titled individual’s titles, the law as it stands at the moment and the current efforts by one Conservative MP, Bob Seeley, to have the Titles Deprivation Act 1917 updated so that it can be used against Harry and Meghan. I’ll also look at what would happen if Prince Harry became a US citizen and how that would affect his and his family’s titles and compare his situation to that of actress Grace Kelly (Princess Grace of Monaco) in the 20th century. Finally I’ll consider what a change to the law might mean for Prince Andrew, Duke of York and how likely I think it is that Harry and Meghan will lose their titles.
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[@HistoryCalling]

How likely do you think it is that Harry and Meghan will ever lose or surrender their titles? Let me know below and remember you can also find me on Patreon at www.patreon.com/historycalling or check out my Amazon storefront at www.amazon.com/shop/historycalling

[@meachellebrathwaite1835]

Oh wow, you're saying they have children. I thought everyone overthere said the pregnancies were fake and the kids are fake...interesting.

[@meachellebrathwaite1835]

@laurap5249 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣When did they abuse Catherine? They are worse because they set the record straight?

[@LisafromNOLA]

I guess my question is… are they expected to “work” as royals and does this play a role? Or is it possible to keep the title and the privileges associated without working/doing their part?

[@meachellebrathwaite1835]

laurap5249 yes, continue please

[@meachellebrathwaite1835]

Cause what your saying is B.S.

[@Nepustus]

I really like how your content is a mix of historical and more modern topics! It's interesting to see how they relate to each other, and to hear your expert takes on them. Thank you for all your hard work

[@HistoryCalling]

Thank you. Yes, I don't usually dovetail with modern stuff too much, but I thought I'd try it here and see what people think.

[@tarbhnathrac]

​​​@HistoryCalling I'm impressed. But then, I always am. The vid was both informative and entertaining. I'd like to see more videos that 'dovetail'.

[@marcyaskins1360]

Agreed

[@judithstrachan9399]

The mix was great. It’s especially important, too, since you had to consider precedents & older laws that are still in effect.

[@lesliestrout5121]

I am American and spent 15 years in Canada where my 4 children were born. When we returned to the States, I had to file paperwork showing my American citizenship AND that I had spent at least 18 years in the States for my children to be recognized as American citizens. So Princess Grace must have retained her American citizenship if her children had US citizenship. Hope that helps.

[@BettinaSchwar-ju3zr]

I doubt Charles wants to take the titles away, he loves his son, and it would be bad optics. Im just baffled that they still use them to make money when they hate the monarchy..

[@swissuz]

I've been a subscriber for quite a while and I know this is a bit of a departure from your historical podcasts. However, I cannot think of a better person to address this. So many uninformed KZbinrs have tried to guess at the process and have done a poor job. You have actually shed light on a bigger issue. Harry and Meghan's situation is actually unprecedented so the answer isn't black and white! Thank you so much for unraveling so much of this! It is history in the making. Fascinating.

[@auntyjulez9819]

I totally agree. I wasn't even going to watch the video until I saw who posted it. I knew it would be well researched and enlightening.

[@Jay-n262]

South Parks Meghan and Harry's "we want privacy" episode was brilliant!

[@danyf.1442]

That was pure genius

[@gothica64]

I think we are overdue episode 2 of the privacy tour.

[@colleenporcina2303]

So was the Pegging Prince episode!

[@iikidzmomMine]

Except that they have never said they wanted “privacy”

[@lilyann168]

@@iikidzmomMinethis

[@silva7493]

I'm Californian, FWIW, but Queen Elizabeth was monumentally important to me as a female, growing up with very few women role models in positions of power. She showed me how it was done, while never ever losing her grace, beauty, or femininity. What these two did to her and Prince Philip while they should have been enjoying their last bit of time on Earth enveloped the in all the peace and and love they deserved, and the satisfaction of their jobs incredibly well done, has broken my heart. Lock them in the Tower Dungeon, for all I care. Nasty things.

[@iikidzmomMine]

I agree with you about Queen Elizabeth, but I’m quite sure her own children’s behavior, particularly Charles and Andrew, caused her more dismay than anything Harry and Meghan did.

[@teprakp]

@silva7493; I agree TOTALLY. They are traitors, and deserve an exceptionally damp dungeon

[@lavenderdblasio1578]

You don't think her pedo son gave her more stress? And they never said a bad word about the Queen, she seemed to love them too. Do you hold the British media accountable for all the horrid things they've done to Meghan, Harry, Kate, and Diana? Or do you blindly believe everything the media says about meghan?

[@ord4r857]

I notice the Duke and Duchess of Sussex don't spend much time in Sussex.

[@HistoryCalling]

Very true, but then again I suppose we have to say in fairness that William and Catherine aren't residing in Wales either.

[@LKMNOP]

​@@HistoryCallingPlus, concerning he holds a baronet also, he would have to spend equal amount of time there also. But very few of the royal titles such as York etc are actually the residences of their titled heads

[@perniciouspete4986]

I suspect Sussex doesn't mind.

[@biosparkles9442]

@@HistoryCalling Nor do they reside in Cornwall, or any of the other locations named in their titles. Funnily enough, since they now live in Windsor, they live in one of the only places that they can't possibly have a named title for, since Queen Elizabeth II banned the Dukedom of Windsor from being recreated during her reign (though, of course, I'm sure that can be undone by Charles if he really wants), which is kind of ironic considering they are members of the House of Windsor.

[@Taylor23890]

Us Sussex residents are pleased they’re not here . Others bringing up not living in Cornwall etc…. They’re not living abroad making money using Titles from an institution they keep trashing ,

[@claire2088]

I don't really understand why they carry on using titles, like if they want to be 'normal' people go and do that? I feel like Harry is so used to a high level of privilege that when he looses any privilege he feels persecuted- he can still gets ad hoc police protection in the UK (which is more than most of us can say) but when he lost the right to automatic police protection he seemed to think he was being personally attacked.

[@HistoryCalling]

Yes, it is one of the accusations regularly thrown at them (why don't you stop using the titles if you disliked being royal so much). To be brutally honest I think the answer is that they know the titles are financially beneficial to them.

[@claire2088]

@@HistoryCalling Yeah I think that's a lot of what they do 😂 I'm with you that they probably shouldn't have the titles stripped (given that they've been horrible to their family rather than criminal) but I think not using their titles would be the classier option given everything they have said

[@user-jt1il2xh1c]

@@HistoryCallingas far as I know they offered to give up their royal tittles and it was refused.

[@sailorgirl2017]

@@HistoryCalling It's their cash cow. Interviews, books, and docuseries all discussing royal life made money. Every venture not attached has floundered. They will never give up the titles.

[@iikidzmomMine]

He wasn’t even allowed to pay himself for Royal Protection. The Royal Protection detail has access to important security information and threat assessment through the government, and he was not allowed to pay for that himself. There is no reason to deny that, particularly with all of the threats that have been made against his wife and even his children. That’s just spiteful.

[@brendonmcmorrow3886]

This felt a bit too speculative for my taste. I would have loved to hear more about the individuals who lost their titles as a result of picking the ‘wrong’ side in World War 1. One of those was Charles Edward, Duke of Saxe-Coburg, whose story is fascinating in itself, given that he was never meant to have that title.

[@edithengel2284]

There is only speculation in this case; as HC points out, there is little useful precedent, as the 1917 legislation is no longer relevant, and further more only affected four men who were viewed as having aided the enemy. Obviously, Henry has done nothing like that, so the cases of the particular four affected by the law are not really germane to HC's present discussion.

[@brendonmcmorrow3886]

@@edithengel2284 This isn’t History Calling’s best choice of subject as it is clearly about current affairs rather than history. In any event, the questions about Harry are legally complex and largely theoretical.

[@edithengel2284]

@@brendonmcmorrow3886 Indeed.

[@HaRacycEBLErAtIng]

HC has every right to make a small discussion, even with modern-modern day ones!

[@dtchouros]

It isn’t my business as a US citizen but as he is still listed as an advisor to the king (or is it king’s coucil) and he is over here sticking his nose into American politics like calling our First Amendment “bonkers” and VERY active in getting restrictions on the first amendment on the internet and that the powers that be decide what is and is not allowed to be said. If it is illegal, it should be blocked. But blocking political opinions is insane and the fact a British Prince is among those at the forefront is disgusting to many of us on US soil. He comes here, brags about drug use, but then talks about children’s rights. I respect the monarchy, I really do. But they have zero power here and I would argue much, much less than those of us born and raised here, and those that fought to protect our rights.

[@HistoryCalling]

I don't think he's a Counsellor of State any more. I did a video which looked at that a couple of months ago but (and I'm red faced here) I can't remember for definite off the top of my head now.

[@AtCar3]

@@HistoryCalling I am 90% sure he still is

[@davemaginness]

I think if I remember right they must reside in the UK, which rules him out

[@GillNotRelatedToTom]

@@HistoryCalling if I remember right he is still on the list as CoS but inactive as he is not a UK resident and not a working royal, so double barred. Andrew and Beatrice are on the list and inactive as they are not working royals. When in the US, Harry is just a man with an opinion. He is not representing the King. It’s just free speech. The fact that he is using free speech to talk about free speech being bonkers is actually bonkers. Why people listen to him I don’t know.

[@LKMNOP]

He still is counselor of state but they put up a hold on the idea that he could take over if something happened to Charles. He is no longer able to do that.

[@amandagreen4332]

If Prince Andrew keeps his titles, then there’s no cause to remove Harry’s and Megan’s titles. They haven’t committed any actual crimes (unlike the older royal).

[@roselee4445]

Andrew committed no crime

[@user-jt1il2xh1c]

@@roselee4445you having sexual intercourse with a minor and being close friends with a known pedophile is not a crime? Wow

[@JiminPalmSprings]

@@roselee4445 he sexually assaulted someone sister 🙄

[@MamaKittieKat]

Exactly.

[@cindyknudson2715]

​@@roselee4445 He hasn't been legally charged and found guilty.

[@jlongino51823]

I don’t think your use of the word “attacks” is fair. It’s showing bias and not neutrality. This seems to be the problem with this entire situation. Reporting on personal opinions about people that they don’t know and never will. I don’t think anyone can say that anyone has attacked an entire family just by being honest. Diana was honest too but nobody went after her for telling her truth.

[@user-jt1il2xh1c]

Because she died at the end. That’s why nobody is attacked her.

[@that-random-humanoid2865]

Agreed, They did an interview with Oprah and in that interview Meghan was asked if someone had made racist comments to her and towards her son. She said yes, and when asked to name them and who they were; she refused. When Harry joined the interview she asked the same questions, he said yes but he wouldn't name them but would say they were part of the royal family. He also stated that they did not provide the same protections from the media to him and Meghan like they did for William and Kate. Meghan and Harry have been bashed by the British media and tabloids for doing the same things that William and Kate have done. I would not say they attacked them at all. They only have stated the truth when asked. If that felt like a personal attack to anyone in the royal family, then they need a reality check.

[@iikidzmomMine]

@@user-jt1il2xh1c - People still did attack her like Sally Bedell Smith and Lady Colin Campbell.

[@zb7293]

​@@that-random-humanoid2865let me refrech youre memory. Meg clamed there were conversations while she was pregnant how will baby looks Like. Harry Said it was one conversation before they were married. Meg later in Netflix give a hint she was offened that they even thout that baby might not be White looking ..asking your self wondering how will baby look Like is not racism... everyone whats to see how babay looks Like. Even when Kate was expecting Tew York Times had cover wondering how will baby look Like nad that babies skin ton migt be darker then they are used to Oprah inerwie she took down as it looked full od kase storries That was attack, full blown, and they keepet attacking in moderne way...act off terason.

[@breadsaltwine]

@@that-random-humanoid2865 they don't know the truth. The list of lies they have told is extremely long and for you to parrot their victim narrative is also dishonest. Every single "hardship" in their lives is of their own making.

[@susyhtoontin2649]

There's such a thing as dual citizenship, which is not uncommon for immigrants. It is possible for one person to be a citizen of two countries at the same time.

[@samanthafordyce5795]

There are even some members of Congress with dual citizenship, mostly for/of Israel.

[@roselee4445]

Your point. We know that

[@jldisme]

I agree with you. However, I do believe that Harry should be removed as a counselor of state. I understand that that would also need to be done by Parliament.

[@iikidzmomMine]

Harry was basically nullified as a Counselor of State when Charles added Anne and Edward. Harry still has the position, but they have enough counselors to function without him.

[@Gabriella_historyedits]

Thanks for the new video!!❤

[@HistoryCalling]

You're welcome. Enjoy :-)

[@therarestphoenix5254]

I wonder if they expected all this backlash from both the UK and across the pond? They both stepped down by their own accord. They should also relinquish their Titles. They need to learn that their actions carry heavy consequences.

[@HistoryCalling]

Oh I'm sure they didn't. Surely no one would do what they've done if they saw this coming?

[@LKMNOP]

I think Harry thought that Megan was his way to step into the Hollywood bed and yet still keep all his Royal perks and prestige. It didn't turn out that way. He was so entitled he thought he would still be everybody's favorite Prince. Totally disregarding the fact that it was the palace covering up all his misdeeds and bad attitudes that made him look good. We're seeing the real harry now. I think Megan thought that she would get the glory from him being a prince and that she actually could take Hollywood by storm. As I said they were both wrong. But I do believe they actually love each other. As much as two narcissists can. They both recognize that they could do more damage together than a part

[@astroterf.]

​@@LKMNOPexactly 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

[@roselee4445]

​@@LKMNOPall close to fact except love. I don't think they love each other

[@emilytemple3829]

They want and eat cake. Title Goods but no resposibility. Only thing people were/are interesting in them are couse they are part 👑 family. Titles is only thing they had to show. They want trainmake this titiles for profit so they never give it up

[@victoriaburkhardt9974]

Thanks for this informative video.

[@HistoryCalling]

You're very welcome :-)

[@ratgirl13]

I’ve been living under a rock, but hey! Don’t knock it until you’ve tried it! I’m an American so why would I be interested in the British Royalty-the fact that I’m watching and listening to this video shows that I take a peek out from under every once in a while.😂

[@hollyw9566]

I'm a Marxist, and object to the entire notion of "royalty," but I've always been fascinated by history of kings and queens and guillotines. When I was still in grade school, I read books about Jane Grey and Marie Antionette and others. I always have gone away feeling very sorry for most if not all of them. Yes, on the surface, they have all that money and privilege, and hey, as a poor person, it is better to have money in our western system than to not have money. But having that fame . . . I've known a few people who became famous, and to a person they'll tell you it's not what it's cracked up to be. As Diana found out, be careful what you wish for, because you just might get it. "More tears have been shed over answered prayers than unanswered ones." ~ St. Teresa of Avila

[@user-uj7dm8jy6z]

he shouldn't lose his title.... as the GINGER WHINGER is fitting

[@Fruity-Cookie]

There is indeed an appetite to strip the children of their titles, not as a dig at their parents or to punish them, but simply because it makes little sense for two children who live in a constitutional republic and are not raised or educated in the United Kingdom to hold onto titles.

[@lindamarshall-wc4yt]

The King could prevent Harry's titles from being inherited by his heirs.

[@machelb510]

Sure and then we can finally see them for racist they are.

[@elisabethhopson5639]

This is a really painful subject. I don't think they will lose their titles, however, they have already lost the respect (and dare I say love) of the British people and the Commonwealth. They do not behave with any sort of grace. I will never forgive them for the pain they clearly inflicted on our dear Queen Elizabeth. Having decided to walk away from the Royal family, they are already losing any sort of relevance and one day, most people won't even remember them. If you remember, Diana lost her HRH title when she divorced Prince Charles (as was). It was a mistake and I think King Charles won't make that mistake again. I do think that if the rift with the Prince of Wales is not fixed soon, the road back towards any sort of relationship will be gone forever. I would not want them to be Mr and Mrs Mountbatten Windsor, they don't deserve that name either. This has to be one of history's prime examples of pressing the self destruct button through sheer stupidity. A very sorry state of affairs. 😐

[@corricatt]

allow me to ask, if you're spouse was consistently persecuted for every outfit, every smile, every former life error, would you not take your spouses side? would you really side with the wealth over the love of your life?

[@elisabethhopson5639]

@@corricatt the things you have listed were comments made mostly by the media outlets and from social media, not the royal family. If there were problems within the royal family, then steps could have been taken to address these issues. Stopping the press etc from making comments and criticism is difficult due to the freedom of speech laws. I am not saying this is easy to address, but just running away and then slagging everyone off, does not deal with the problem. Writing books about slights and perceived injustices only adds to the difficulties. They have not been advised well, or have ignored any good advice. Cashing in on being a royal does not impress the British public. As HM the Queen always reminded us, being royal is a life of service and sometimes there are considerable hardships to cope with, as we all have in life.

[@breadsaltwine]

@@corricatt He has sided with wealth.

[@lavenderdblasio1578]

​@@elisabethhopson5639I get your point, but you have to understand that family members were the ones leaking information to the press and enabling the press in many ways. William and Kate were quite litigious in the early years too, and no one batted an eye. Surely the palace could have protected them better, and family members should not have stabbed them in the back by selling stories to transfer negative attention from themselves onto Harry and meghan.

[@lavenderdblasio1578]

​@@elisabethhopson5639additionally, meghans case was special specifically because of the race element. And Harry has always said his issue is primarily with the press, and only secondarily with his family

[@allisonyoung3420]

So glad you did this video! So much goes around the internet about this couple that I hate to even click on anything about them. So thank you so much and also well done on the whole format of the video! Understood everything perfectly!😊

[@vernon2542]

Hi HC that was most interesting, I personally do not think Prince Harry will lose his title or surrender it. They may decide not to use them for some reason down the line and that would be up to them.

[@carolinegreenwell9086]

I honestly can't see them being stripped of their titles, or of them voluntarily relinquishing them. Despite their protestations about not wanting to be working royals my impression is that their titles mean a lot to them - without them they are nobodies. What I would like to see is Harry and Megan becoming less and less relevant, and this will only happen if we all stop chattering about them.

[@HistoryCalling]

Yes, that's very true.

[@lavenderdblasio1578]

Harry's title is his birthright and losing it would mean his family was disinheriting him which is a whole other ballpark. Losing their titles also meant no security in the UK, so there's another side to this story

[@SurferJoe1]

16:53 Edward VIII is certainly where my mind went went the moment the question was raised. If the royals are all going to be tried for their character, everybody better pack a lunch.

[@corricatt]

Especially the new daddy King

[@SurferJoe1]

@@judithstrachan9399 Much appreciated; fixed it.

[@DeepThought42]

It's a different situation to the Duke of Windsor as he was a former King. Harry is nowhere near the throne and never will be, the people of the UK and the other 14 realms would never accept him as King now if circumstances led to the possibility of him being on the throne.

[@corricatt]

@@DeepThought42 which is they (the public, paparazzi, etc.) should have just left Harry alone, let him finally be HAPPY!! IN LOVE! are they (above mentioned public and paparazzi) sure that Willy and Kate are a happy couple??? BE REAL PEOPLE!

[@quatasiabeckford1570]

Im an American but ive studied the royak family for years and I always wonder why the citizens of the UK do not like Meghan Markle even before all of this "drama" there was a huge disdain for her

[@quatasiabeckford1570]

Royal*

[@breadsaltwine]

No there wasn't. Unfortunately, only a few of us knew what she is like. Then again, very few people had even heard of her. She was welcomed by the public and the family despite their (reasonable and accurate) reservations.

[@davidlancaster8152]

Im not in touch with recent film personell. What films has Meghan been in that i may have seen? Great report. Thanks

[@SurferJoe1]

The American stuff in the second half made me think of something else off-topic, another book recommendation. You did an excellent overview of the Titanic disaster. Of the dozen or so books I've read on the subject, Wyn Craig Wade's 1980 book "Titanic: End of a Dream" (revised when the wreck was found) is the only one to delve into the very interesting angle of how it affected what were in 1912 surprisingly frosty relations between Britain and the U.S. When a US congressman boarded the Carpathia with subpoenas in hand, an international brawl ensued. The U.S. was putting British seamanship on trial, with some controversial results (though a great boon to the historical record) and the British response- including a counter-investigation with equally public hearings- was scathing, even extending into British music halls. It was a very big deal, completely forgotten today. The whole tension was swept away forever by the war.

[@promerops]

As always, a very coolly reasoned and objective take on the subject. Thank you very much, Ms History Calling.

[@leonajahour8351]

Thank you for this well thought out discussion.

[@heden1460]

I'm an American and really don't really understand these things; however, doesn't being the duke and duchess of someplace mean they represent that place and do work for them in parliament or wherever? If that is so, Harry has said he wants to live in the U.S., and I don't think he has done any work for Sussex. I think their titles should be removed on that basis alone and given to people who will. It is also my understanding that the queen put in a contract they could not make money off their titles, but they are. Has anybody else heard of this in the contract?

[@user-fc7bf6jb3d]

No - a territorial title does not come with obligations to that territory. Some of the titles don't really correspond to real territories, either. Neither Clarence nor Wessex are actual physical locations now, but there have certainly been Dukes of Clarence, and the current Duke of Edinburgh was first Earl of Wessex.

[@heden1460]

@@user-fc7bf6jb3d Thanks for the clarification. It's confusing to me.

[@judithstrachan9399]

Oh, yes! the British peerage can be very confusing. Just try to sort out courtesy titles! On second thought, don’t. Only a serious writer deserves that much trouble.

[@heden1460]

@@judithstrachan9399 Your last sentence made me laugh. I appreciate that.

[@laurapeter3857]

As a son of the reigning monarch, Harry should always have and keep the title of Prince. However, the couple walked away from all royal duties and now only use their Duke and Duchess of Suffolk titles to make money off of in order to benefit themselves, not in service of the crown from which those titles were granted. Yes, they should be stripped of them. But that’s just my American opinion.

[@HistoryCalling]

That might indeed be a compromise solution, though it would make Meghan Princess Henry and I tend to agree with another commenter that she might just start calling herself Princess Meghan, which could be worse (as Princess sounds fancier than Duchess).

[@franward540]

Well that’s my Australian opinion too!

[@LBGirl1988]

@@HistoryCalling I am not fond of their behaviour. I agree with you. Megan would not want to be called Princess Henry which would be her official name (actually is one of her names).

[@vickijackson5547]

@@LBGirl1988 you don't know what Megan would want.

[@canadianbrit]

​@@vickijackson5547😂😂😂😂

[@TheSjstokes]

Thank you for your long term strategic overview. It is important that we see that. Very considered. Has certainly makes me think, although their nasty behaviour to us all and the Royal Family, our late Queen and Prince Consort, should be punished somehow.

[@Boadicea61]

Where is Harry's loyalty? Is it Britain? The Untied States? No ... His 1st loyalty is Megzy. Britain and the royal family are down the list. Andrew's indiscretions are horrible but his loyalty is with Britain.

[@paulgifford4688]

I mean, they’re letting Andrew keep his dukedom, so their standards can’t be that high. And I suppose Mountbatten-Windsor is preferable to Battenburg-Saxe-Coburg und Gotha.

[@windwatcher11]

Genau! 😂😂😂

[@agoraphobicsocialite6897]

Get rid of them .... Harry made his choice ... He's the modern day Duke of Windsor

[@HistoryCalling]

There are certainly some striking similarities. The Duke of Windsor never lost his Ducal title though and he expressed support for the Nazis.

[@LKMNOP]

​@@HistoryCallingwhich he should have lost his titles because he was actively in touch with Hitler and planning to regain the crown when Hitler took English. That's treason by any definition.

[@canadianbrit]

The main difference between Wallis simpson and that one's wife, simpson had some class. Far more than can be said for tbe mattress actress

[@TheSuzberry]

She’s not a f*cking nazi, she’s African-American. That’s her crime.

[@TheSuzberry]

@@canadianbrit- class? She was a tart.

[@WhitneyAllisonGG]

I am American. I believe that the Mountbatten Windsor couple should keep their titles if they reside in Sussex and the UK must do the work that is required to maintain the titles. Since they reside in the US and the title should be could be removed. As for the title Prince and Princess I am not sure

[@edithengel2284]

Titles of nobility originally were related to the geographical areas attached to them, but that is no longer true, and hasn't been for some time. They have no obligation to reside in or have anything to do with Sussex. There are no legal work requirements to retain such a title. Residence in the US is not sufficient grounds to remove a British title. The monarch may decide whether a person is entitled to be called a prince or princess. Stripping someone of a title is not a trivial affair, and must, in the case of removing a title of nobility, be agreed upon by both the monarch and Parliament.

[@brendagarnder9758]

HENRY DOES NEED OF HIS TITLE STRIPPED BECAUSE HE IS INTERFERING IN OUR POLITICS HERE IN AMERICA! WE DON'T NEED A FOREIGNER IN THE STATE CALLING OUR FIRST AMENDMENT BONKERS!

[@belleraduechel7510]

The last part of your video, about a US citizen holding a foreign title, reminds me of Julie Montagu, Viscountess Hinchingbrook, who has a title through marriage. I watch her YT channel. She is an American by birth and is still a US citizen, but while her husband's UK passport has a huge long title, her American passport just has her name. ;)

[@EarlyMusicDiva]

Interesting thoughts! I watch Julie's channel too (admittedly have not yet seen every single video), and actually I never knew, or thought to ask, whether she became a UK (or dual) citizen when she married Luke. Do you know if she might become a UK (or dual) citizen when they become the Earl and Countess of Sandwich? (Definitely not wishing anything to happen to the current holders of those titles, but time does march on whether we wish it to or not...) And they do reside in the UK.

[@hiviolet007]

I agree with you. Not worth the effort.

[@preciousdevere288]

Its going to happen, William will see to it.

[@jamieryman]

I don't expect KC to remove them, but KW might. Queen Margaret removed her son & grandchildren's titles.

[@lavenderdblasio1578]

True William has always had a mean streak

[@stephencarrillo5905]

Great job (again), HC! I've read a few comments and obviously there are strong feelings being stirred up. I'm a Yank with an opinion but I'll keep it to myself. This was very informative. Good woman yourself! 🙏🏼

[@HistoryCalling]

THANK YOU AS ALWAYS STEPHEN FOR YOUR GENEROSITY. Yes, some strong opinions alright. Of course that's ok as long as they are framed politely.

[@stephencarrillo5905]

@@HistoryCalling Well said, though I'll confess I'm not averse to some snarky commentary. 😉

[@AmynAL]

This is such a volatile subject. They have haters and supporters. Most of us have “baggage” in our lives. Some speak their “truths”. Others go about their lives and make a success of it. That’s most of us and we don’t intentionally inflict pain or seek to ruin others involved. Just live your life and try to be kind. I hate this for both “sides”.

[@chrisbanks6659]

@@stephencarrillo5905 Snarky comments!!? Bruh - I love you. LOL

[@stephencarrillo5905]

@@AmynAL 👍👍🙏

[@finleykim]

Very sound research and opinion. The current call for H&M to have their titles removed is punitive in spirit and ultimately would change very little. I agree, the titles will not be removed no matter how questionable their behaviour.

[@howtubeable]

Oh, no. A great deal would change. Remove Harry and his descendants from the line of succession, and it would change the future of the British monarchy.

[@aleksstosich]

Excellent video. Informative (as always!) and I appreciate your balanced and clear personal views on the matter

[@wcfheadshots240]

Fascinating discussion in which I think you did a very thorough, correct and fair presentation; coming to the correct conclusions.

[@maremacd]

I’m surprised to hear someone I always assumed was Irish (from the accent) sympathizing with the English monarchy.

[@judithstrachan9399]

Northern Ireland is part of the kingdom of Great Britain & Northern Ireland. She’s Northern Irish. (Does that sound weird?)

[@ilanarhian]

From Northern Ireland, it depends on the person and their background.

[@judithstrachan9399]

So true.

[@theresalaux5655]

Thank you for this great video! 😊❤

[@HistoryCalling]

You're welcome :-)

[@sharonsmith583]

Wow, always get clear, concise explanations on this channel! Viewing modern day royal family with a much appreciated historians eye.

[@karenseward6405]

@HistoryCalling you said you weren’t sure about what the current titles are for Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie. I looked at the Royal Family website and this is how they are listed in the line of succession: Princess Beatrice, Mrs. Edoardo Mapelli Mozzi Princess Eugenie, Mrs. Jack Brooksbank. Also Archie wasn’t born in the USA, but he does have American citizenship because of Meghan.

[@MichelleBruce-lo4oc]

Hi, awesome live history video. I enjoyed it. How are you doing? I'm doing well, and so is my cat Benjamin. The solar eclipse is almost here. In the next video, in the future, could you do videos on Catherine Carey and Henry Carey. They were children of Mary Boleyn in the 16th century Tudor times. Have a great day. See you next video 😊

[@HistoryCalling]

Hi Michelle. No solar eclipse here (if it was clear we would have seen a partial one, but it's very cloudy today). I'm so jealous though. I've never seen a full eclipse. I have my videos for the next while already done, but I'll bear the Careys in mind :-)

[@michaelrecycle9838]

I'm thrilled that NOTHING else is going on in the UK that an MP had the time and opportunity, and using the House's time to table this bill. Bravo!

[@okiejammer2736]

Agreed. Thank you for another level-headed and well-researched video. Wow. You're so good at this!

[@wendym215]

Omg this was interesting thank you for discussing this as Always @historycalling...

[@RoBA7]

Well, there is so much change through the years: King Edward had to abdicate because of a divorced American woman. King Charles is divorced and has a divorced and for years very much hated woman! Who knows what the time brings. But for sure not in the near future. Actually, I think it does not really matter. If they continue the way they did in the past few years, they are „finished“ even with titles. Sad. Getting a therapist would be better than public family feuds.

[@BimRen246]

This is an unlikely course of action for the present British Royals towards members this close to the line of succession. As a male line of a monarch, this is highly unlikely as such an act could have further repercussions on other male lines, for example, Prince Andrew or any of the cousins of the late Queen. It could also impact William's children in the future. Prince Andrew's daughters no longer use York as they are married so they use their husband's name or title.

[@HistoryCalling]

I agree. I think it's very unlikely the titles will be removed. It's just such a can of worms for the royal family to open.

[@helenaalexandra4197]

Im sorry to say that the US Capital Building is generally always under construction.

[@sarahsong9673]

As time has gone by, I have changed from wanting their titles to be removed to thinking leave it as it is. Firstly they are quite capably creating their own downfall, and secondly the only acceptable removal would be of ALL titles... Couldn't stand having TOW using the 'Princess' title. As you say, existing legislation doesn't expand enough for this to be done and I don't think there is enough will in Parliament to carry anything so drastic through. Of more concern is their involvement in curtailing freedom of speech in the US/globally through their involvement with the Aspen group, and their latest involvement with AI 'inoculation' of voters in the US (see The Royal Grift latest YT for more info). How this might sit politically/legally in the future is up for conjecture.

[@justjulia8007]

Spot on! A Prince meddling in American politics and openly advocating censorship via the Aspen Institute, calling our 1st Amendment “bonkers”..etc! It is HIGHLY problematic. I follow TRG too and she is very well researched on their affiliations with some very nefarious organizations; all having the same goal to shut down free speech. Pretty sure America fought a war to disavow a British Monarchy. We certainly don’t want or need the Sussex faux Royal court in America. Nor should we even recognize the preposterous Prince / Princess titles of their children; one being American born.

[@downtonviewer]

Was Archie born a US citizen? He was born in England so it seems unlikely. Also, King Edward the EIGHTH renounced his throne, NOT 7th.

[@samanthafordyce5795]

But Edward VII famously misbehaved all of his adult life. He had a string of mistresses and kept dubious company. That offended a lot of people in the UK and they held a negative view of him. If titles and right of succession were lost as a result of such behavior, he would have been gone. However, the law of the land prevailed. He didn't moderate his behavior once on the throne, but he was regarded, in the end, as a good king.

[@Boudicca527]

Any child born to a U.S. citizen anywhere in the world is automatically a U.S. citizen at birth. Any child born to non citizens on U.S. soil is also automatically a citizen at birth, that part needs to change so the “birth tourism” industry for citizenship ends.

[@samanthafordyce5795]

@@Boudicca527 The birth abroad must be registered with the consulate within some number of days, I'm not sure how many, to validate the date of birth and the citizenship of the parent(s).

[@GillNotRelatedToTom]

A good video, all very clear. It’s also much as I thought. Our UK constitution is complicated and even experts say different things sometimes. I think this is an irritation but a minor issue. I do however think the CoS and the Regency Act are a bigger issue but that largely depends on time. If William becomes King before George is 18 the pool of people to be CoS is a lot smaller. Going even further if George becomes king before he is 18 and before William has put in a letters patent to name a Regent it then becomes and big issue but as this is very unlikely it’s not a pressing worry. Your video on the CoS and Regency was also very good.

[@HistoryCalling]

Thanks Gill. Yes, the UK laws are very messy sometimes (at least to my untrained eye).

[@EmilyGloeggler7984]

Honestly, don’t give them anymore attention and leave them up to God.

[@edithengel2284]

For those interested, here is the Article in the US Constitution which concerns titles of nobility. (Note that it the proscription against titles granted by foreign states is limited to persons holding offices of profit or trust, which I doubt describes the former Miss Markle.). "Article I, Section 9, Clause 8: No Title of Nobility shall be granted by the United States: And no Person holding any Office of Profit or Trust under them, shall, without the Consent of the Congress, accept of any present, Emolument, Office, or Title, of any kind whatever, from any King, Prince, or foreign State."

[@OboeCanAm]

Thank you for explaining this subject so clearly. If Harry and Meghan kept their profound dislike of their situation and family private, they would have an easier time reconciling, if that is in fact what they desired to do.

[@HistoryCalling]

Yes, I agree. I think they've probably burnt their bridges with the rest of the royals and I actually find it very sad to see.

[@joblixrud759]

I’m an American but if I were British I would feel that the pair do not deserve to keep their titles, because they will never stop their destructive ways. Both have nothing to offer but their connection to the royal family.

[@HistoryCalling]

That is a valid argument for sure, but I suppose if we turn it into a popularity contest it becomes a very slippery slope. Charles III was hated in the 90s and so was Camilla, but look how they've turned it around. Popularity can come and go like waves. It seems insane at the moment, but if Camilla could largely reverse her public image I suppose it's possible H&M could do so too.

[@teresawelter7530]

​@@HistoryCalling True! But I think we can all agree that they should absolutely remove "Prince" Andrew's titles...

[@redemptivepete]

​@@HistoryCalling They didn't turn it around! Compliant media and a shrewd PR campaign turned it around. Monarchy is now largely pointless except as symbols and half of them can't even play the part in return for a pampered existence!

[@lfgifu296]

@@teresawelter7530his titles could be removed, but he’d still be a Prince bc he’s the son of the late Queen and Prince Consort :’)

[@meachellebrathwaite1835]

What destructive ways? They have a whole lot to offer.

[@MegCazalet]

I’m not surprised at the favorability results considering how the tabloids have represented the Wales family versus the Sussex family.

[@TheSuzberry]

Deal with Andrew first. These people have committed no crimes and the only embarrassment they present is by protecting themselves.

[@Riftrender]

Andrew had a higher approval rating than these two a couple of months ago. Its still negative but it says a lot that a probable pedophile is still more popular than these whiny babies.

[@roselee4445]

Andrew committed no crime

[@fionaoconnell3524]

Under UK law if they can be proved to try destabilising monarchy for personal gain they technically could be tried for treason.

[@corricatt]

@@roselee4445 in the USA, having sex with minors IS a crime!!

[@roselee4445]

@@corricatt let's see. The girl was of age in NY . Plus he said he didn't know her

[@staceydunne964]

Perhaps the best way to deal with the Sussex’s is to give them no more attention.

[@dorothysutton5162]

Thanks, HC! ❤

[@BFlaherty325]

Had no idea the Prince of Monaco is also a US citizen. Isn’t basically like a king?

[@davidmorgan1963]

If not now, as soon as William takes over 👍

[@HistoryCalling]

Maybe. Only time will tell I guess.

[@Lionstar16]

I have no doubt that William will take their titles away when he's king if Charles doesn't - big brother has had enough of his little brother's rubbish

[@akaLaBrujaRoja]

@@Lionstar16nah, adulterer William would just look peggy, oops, I mean petty targeting Harry for being a loving supportive husband.

[@peteregan7864]

​@@akaLaBrujaRojaYour proof of your accusation against William is? Oh, you don't have any. Thought not.

[@sarapanzarella97]

Hadn’t thought of this - good point. Because if you go by the history of England - there were many vindictive siblings (not that Harry hasn’t earned it).

[@joebaird5874]

He is still a Councillor of State working on behalf of the royal family and WEF, through the Aspen Institute in order to censor the internet. Abuse of them plays right into their hands. They have no right to be holding high level talks as he only passed one art GCSE at 16yo with the help of his tutor so he's not exactly bright. Haz will NEVER renounce his titles and KC is too weak to take them off his 'darling boy'. I do appreciate the Northern Ireland accent.

[@kattlady1]

Every country has issues 😕, and in saying that, I only care about what is going on in my life. Let's face it WE all have a title, your NAME IS YOUR TITLE..

[@gabrielleschiavo9078]

Any chance you'd be willing to put together longer videos? Like merging all the Elizabeth 1st videos so I can just listen while doing my chores?

[@CrazyCatMom11]

As long as Charles is king, I think they'll keep their titles. Charles probably just wants to live as peacefully as possible for his remaining years. William, though, is much younger and has the stamina to fight, so once he becomes king, the story may change. Unfortunately we all know that even if the titles were stripped, Markle could still refer to herself as Princess Harry, which I'm sure she'd LOVE to do. And her followers wouldn't even bother with the 'Harry' part and would just called her Princess M. Personally, I think that in order to keep a title such as theirs, they must actually work for the place their title represents. Make occasional appearances there, at the very least. AFAIK, they only visited Sussex once for a brief moment. Instead, they use the titles to get attention and make money for themselves, would should mean an automatic removal of said titles. As for their children, I'm baffled as to why they have the 'prince' and 'princess' titles. I know they're grandchildren of the king, but seeing as how Archie has lived 95% of his life in the United States (a place where royal titles aren't recognized), Lily (I refuse to call her the other name out of respect to Queen Elizabeth) has never stepped toe in the UK, and the likelihood of them coming to the UK at any point before adulthood is small, they're hardly royal representatives of the commonwealth. Should they turn 18 and decide to return to the UK and become working royals, then they can claim their princely titles. Otherwise, they should be ordinary citizens.

[@HistoryCalling]

I agree that I don't think Charles will remove their titles. It's debatable what William will do. I suppose only time will tell. If Harry's Princely title was removed too, then Meghan couldn't claim to be a Princess but I can't imagine Charles or William would ever sign off on a situation where the title of Prince would be left while the others were removed. Regarding having to work for the titles, that's tricky as there are lots of people who have titles but aren't senior working royals. Their titles would have to be stripped too at which point there would be hardly any royal family left. As for Archie and Lilibet, the titles aren't connected to place of birth or residence, only to their bloodline and so that's why they have them.

[@edithengel2284]

They have no real reason to remove Harry's titles. Apart from being painful to the family to have to do that, I would guess that it would generally cause more stir than it would prevent. It is not something in any event to undertake lightly, and the king and Parliament have much more important issues to deal with.

[@biosparkles9442]

Foreign royal titles absolutely are recognised in the US, or do you think the US doesn't recognise Charles as the King of England..?

[@roselee4445]

​@@biosparkles9442they mean using those titles as American citizens. Imagine in school. They will be laughed at

[@purberri]

I think they should they’ve became a liability and they don’t contribute to the royalty

[@vickijackson5547]

How are they a liability?

[@scottbrower9052]

​@@vickijackson5547 Ummmm..........

[@auntlynnie]

If (in my opinion) Prince Andrew’s reputation and salacious rumours about him aren’t liability enough to have his title(s) stripped, Harry & Meghan being jerks to their family probably doesn’t rise to a sufficient level of having their titles stripped.

[@corricatt]

please explain what it takes to contribute to "the royalty"?

[@scottbrower9052]

@@corricatt The opposite of what the Harkles do.

[@pumpthebrakes]

Just ignore them, maybe they’ll go away….

[@knittingmoose]

I don't know if Harry could get away with it but you can get around the title thing. You need to do a lot of legal dancing but it has happened.

[@marypagones6073]

I'm not entirely being funny when I say that I don't think they will lose their titles because it's simply too complicated to do so, regardless of how many memoirs Harry writes complaining about how his father never told him he loved him and he got sent off to boarding school (just like every other young man of his class and station). As my comment suggests, I'm not a massive fan of Harry and Meghan. But I also agree it doesn't meet the legal bar of being stripped of his title. A hereditary title isn't like being a job where you can get fired for insubordination (or even a monarch with power who can be deposed). That might be an argue for getting rid of titles altogether, of course, but if the system is still in place...

[@nancyevans3590]

With two members of the family fighting cancer, the last thing on anyone’s mind should be stripping the Suffolks of their titles. Fight petty with petty is not a good look.

[@saridarling]

The Princess Grace/Prince Philip difference in their kids obtaining citizenship of their birth countries is that the U.S. has birthright citizenship. She could have birthed her children on Mars and they would have been U.S. citizens.

[@kate_cooper]

It's a tricky issue. I don't see there's much to be gained by taking any of their titles. And. as you say, it sets an awkward precedent. Although, it's possible for them to lose the Duke and Duchess of Sussex titles but Harry to still be Prince Harry. In which case, Meghan would officially be known as "Princess Harry" and it seems very likely she would hate that. It is a shame to see how William and Harry's relationship has completely fallen apart. Especially when you remember that the Queen and her sister Margaret were always close despite the differences in their personalities and situations. The whole situation with Harry makes me wonder how his life would have turned out if Diana hadn't died. I honestly think if she was still alive, he would never have married Meghan. We can't know, of course, it's just speculation.

[@peteregan7864]

The Prince title can be removed also. It has been removed before.

[@kate_cooper]

@@peteregan7864 I didn’t say it couldn’t. I just said he can lose one title without losing all of them, like an inbetween option.

[@roselee4445]

I think she wants Duchess gone to BE PRINCESS HENRY THO she'd say princess megnut

[@04nbod]

Patricia of Connaught is a good example .She lost her title by letters patent because she married a commoner. She became Lady Patricia Ramsey Alastair of Connaught lost the title of Prince via Letters patent when new ones were issued by George V limiting titles to Grandchildren. He was a great grandchild. Beatrice and Eugenie are no longer 'of York'. Beatrice is Princess Beatrice, Mrs Eduardo Mapelli Mozzi and Eugenie is Princess Eugenie, Mrs Jack Brooksbank If letters patent was issued to remove Harry's titles, they would probably be removed from his entire line. If the Dukedom was removed it too would probably be recinded from the line like the 1917 ones were. Renunciation of a title allows the next generation to pick it up but Archie will be American and will have little to no connection with the UK so I can't see them wanting that to continue down the line.

[@edithengel2284]

Princess Patricia of Connaught was permitted to relinquish her style and title by Royal Warrant. She was not obliged to do so and received the consent of Edward VII and her father, the Duke of Connaught. She was granted the style of Lady Victoria Patricia Helena Elizabeth Ramsay, with special precedence immediately before the marchionesses of England.

[@04nbod]

@@edithengel2284 That is Royal speak for 'She had to give it up because her husband's title was less than hers and she had to take her husband's name'. See also the press release for the Wessex kids not having titles. The monarch doesn't want to look like its forced but its forced. Margaret was given the same ultimatum when she wanted to marry Townsend

[@doggyteabreaks9362]

​@@edithengel2284lol apparently Connaught was a peerage being considered for Hazmat, also if you look at the history of the previous holder of the Duke of Sus-sex title, there are certainly some alleged similarities there with the current holder, which are not exactly flattering!

[@edithengel2284]

@@doggyteabreaks9362 I'm not sure what similarities you mean.

[@edithengel2284]

@@04nbod You may be right, but Princess Louise, also a granddaughter of Victoria, kept her style and title although married to a commoner, as, later, did Princess Anne, married to two commoners. Both the Duke of York's daughters married commoners and kept their titles.

[@LKMNOP]

Have you noticed that the one person that Harry has not insulted is Princess Anne? That would have been a very very very big mistake. Charles is too weak to do anything and William has to keep silent because he must follow what the monarch says to do. But The Princess Royal would have slapped Harry back into next year.

[@peteregan7864]

Princess Anne is executor of his inheritance from the Queen Mother. It is reported that she has raised the age of receipt of the inheritance from 40 to 45. He wouldn't dare insult her! 😂😢

[@roselee4445]

Harry has the kiss Anne's proverbial derriere

[@charis6311]

I completely agree with your idea that it would be ludicrous to strip someone of their title according to public opinion. However, it seems incomprehensible and dishonourable in the extreme for the couple to keep their titles while at the same time disavowing everything the monarchy stands for. It's a clear case of wanting your cake and eat it, too. Now, the Moutbatten-Windsors are just two people taking advantage of the system and all in all they are really of no importance. The salient issue, however is how you view the monarchy and everyone who profits by it in general. Traditionally, the country really belonged to the monarch and he could just do with it as he (or rarely she) pleased with it just like an ordinary person could do with their little farm. If they decided to do no work and let it fall into disrepair, that was their choice and those dependent on the lazy farmer (his family, his servants) were to be pitied but in the end nobody cared. Now, in modern times, this perception has changed - at least in republican states. There, those who are paid by the taxpayer have to do something beneficial for the community (at least that is the idea ;-)) - the master- subject relationship has been reversed to some degree. For the monarchy, this would mean the royal family doesn't just own the kingdom whether or not they do anything on its behalf (like Queen Victoria did for quite some time if I remember correctly) but are expected to somehow further the British nation. And in this case, I think it would be only logical to strip Harry and Meghan of their titles as soon as they decided to not do any work for them. Weirdly enough, acting as they did and do harks back to the medieval idea of just owning your country and the population by virtue of subjugation - rather at odds with their facade of modernism and liberality.

[@sarapanzarella97]

This is one of your most ‘saucy’ videos yet! Love it! ‘And then we come to Prince Andrew…’ 😂😂😂😂😂😳

[@sarapanzarella97]

I don’t see any advantage for Harry to obtain US citizenship. We are one of 2 countries in the world where you still have to pay taxes (over a certain income) no matter where you live. And despite what most of us in the US think - our taxes aren’t much lower than some socialist countries.

[@kazoolibra7322]

This is a horrible family tragedy that i hope can heal one day. Stripping them of their titles would damage that possibility, i think. And really, what the heck difference does it make anyway. Let them call themselves whatever they want. (American point of view snd i don't mean to be contemptous) ❤❤❤

[@GrumpyMeow-Meow]

They don’t deserve redemption, and what’s more, they believe they are better than the RF and that they should rule. That’s sedition.

[@lavenderdblasio1578]

​@@GrumpyMeow-Meow neither of them are interested in ruling lmao. Stop saying nonsense

[@kimberleyannedemong5621]

I think in this day & age that parliament has nothing better to do. Aren't there much more serious issues & tasks parliament could be tackling. As a US citizen this really doesn't effect me but if i were a British citizen I would be highly annoyed. There are much better ways to spend tax dollars. That family is a mess. Let them sort out their own issues. This video is very in interesting.

[@HistoryCalling]

Yes, I agree there are other things that Parliament can and ought to be doing and I doubt the MP in question's bill will go very far. Only time will tell though I suppose.

[@edithengel2284]

@@HistoryCalling According to what I've read, the bill was originally aimed at the Duke of York, but if passed could also be applied to Prince Harry. I've also read that the PM is not in favor of it, which is probably not surprising.

[@helencahn7293]

This is not a big issue for parliament.

[@corricatt]

YOU MEAN BIASED?

[@marcyaskins1360]

Well said History Calling. Well said.

[@darybear0330]

I think it's less the legality of removed and more that they want to be normal citizens so they shouldn't have a title as normal citizens.

[@edithengel2284]

There is an aspect of them wanting their cake and having it too here. But as long as Harry has the title, they can use it in the US.

[@mackss9468]

Okay, fine, they can keep their titles, but can we please remove them from the line of succession???

[@howtubeable]

Yes, remove Harry and ALL HIS DESCENDANTS.

[@biosparkles9442]

If being unpopular and is all that it takes to be removed from the line of succession, we wouldn't currently have a King Charles III.

[@judithstrachan9399]

Sorry, that’s the one thing that only Harry can do. How likely is that? Not that it matters by now, with 4 people before him.

[@robinmiric2027]

Very unlikely!

[@Elaine-uc6hd]

Those kids(?) shouldn't have a title just as Edwards son won't inherit his. The Duke of Edinburgh title will go into abatement, to Charlotte or Louis in the future, but they are of the blood to the direct heir of the throne. So put the suxxex title in abatement for awhile, they've done such damage to it's name that whoever gets it next will have to work hard to reenstate it to have any respect. When they left the UK he stated they wanted to be known as just plain ugh Harry and Meghan., so give them their wish.

[@edithengel2284]

I think you are thinking of abeyance. It's not clear that the titles can be put into abeyance. The Duke of Edinburgh title does not go into abeyance with Edward's death, but merely returns to the crown.

[@christophermcguire27]

Would they give a damn

[@leonnehaaijman4709]

Harry volunteering to lose their titles? I don't think her indoors would let him.

[@user-jt1il2xh1c]

well they actually tried to give them back

[@joyoung2483]

I was initially of the opinion that they should lose their titles, but, a year or so down the road, I think stripping them of their HRH and removing them and their heirs from the line of succession would be preferable.

[@judithstrachan9399]

Probably, but changing the succession can’t be done except by himself. Like Edward VIII abdicating.

[@jldisme]

Thanks, HC!

[@preciousdevere288]

There is enough amunition along with surrogacy to strip them all of titles.

[@shanenolan5625]

Thank you

[@HistoryCalling]

You're welcome :-)