Could there be a surprise BIG FISH entering the trade pool? - The Early Trade

[@dukiino739]

Nobody from a victorian club was complaining about father son rules for the past 20 years. but AS SOON as a queensland side wins a flag SUDDENLY the system needs to change. rightly get stuffed. the father/son rule primarily bennefitted clubs with long history (like saint kilda funny enough), nobody was complaining when the pies won with daicos in his second year.

[@Tosicc567]

exactly, notice how the rule change is after brisbane and the suns get them lmao

[@JGFormentin]

Well you guys clearly don't follow AFL media. It's been am issue for a while and got louder when Collingwood won the flag with the Daicos boys and Darcy. It's a good rule to let a club have first dibs, but just make them pay a fair price on terms of draft capital because it's a joke. That's why it's changing next year. Brisbane are just lucky to win the flag and get a kid before it changes. I go for Freo btw.

[@Tosicc567]

@@JGFormentin no one really complained about the daicos boys and moore lol also no one is mentioning the 5 father sons port have access to this draft. They have literally 5 this draft yet kane labelled them as unlucky with fathersons

[@Robrulz666icloud]

Yes and CONGRATULATIONS again to the BRISBANE LIONS ON THEIR GF WIN 🏆🔥

[@billyhoyle2780]

As a Victorian, I agree with you. The Saints need to shut up and get on with it. The fact they blame anyone or anything but themselves is hilarious

[@TheMemeMachineMatt]

St Kilda should probably make themselves an attractive trade target. Then they might get some good talent in.

[@billhesford6098]

Hmmm......... whats St Kilda famous for? Perhaps put that on the table.

[@MrFootylegend123]

St Kilda Jealous of Marcus Ashcroft and Peter Daicos nuts and it really shows.

[@matthewpowell9403]

What happened to all the talk of Ross Lyon bringing a grand final to saintkilda? Now sooking because lions won it.

[@Tosicc567]

Everyone was complaining about the suns not retaining players and being a nowhere club. Now that they have the academy picks to actually keep players and have build football from the ground up in QLD people are complaining lmao Whats the point in them growing football up there if they get nothing for it? Also if another team for example drafted Levi ashcroft he'd leave in two years anyway and go to the lions regardless. At least this way the lions first round pick goes to another team in exchange for garbage picks

[@brujonpatrick4779]

Yes the draft system is one sided: I hope Levi goes straight to the Lions, however look back at the #1 picks that go interstate and want out after 2 yrs. Lynch, suns to tigers, Horne Francis, Nth to PA. Many others that want to go home or get an easy premiership. #1 PICKS MUST STAY FOR AT LEAST 3 YEARS or stand down. The AFL have continually used interstate teams as a feeder for Victorian clubs. AFL dislike interstate clubs, love the money they pay for the franchises, licences or whatever the AFL calls it.

[@Tosicc567]

@@brujonpatrick4779 you cant force a player to play for a team they dont want to though, if they want to leave they'll just not resign. Which is why interstate teams need the academies. The eagles are going to have to pay Reed an insane amount to keep hold of him. Its about time the suns get some good draftees that actually stay there because they're from QLD. They've had like an entire best 22 leave them since being a team

[@MariaTurner-gx5bv]

@@brujonpatrick4779 that is why the Lions got sick of it and decided to draft country or homegrown players so they don't keep leaving after 2 yrs. They are now recruiting players who are born in far flung country towns who have no qualms living in a "country town" like Brisbale :).

[@patrickmcalary7342]

Love father/son, i understand the need for academics. But its very much a flowed system.

[@eMDe83974]

Father son is like loyalty in our game. Dying out…

[@petert330]

I’m a Dees supporter and Cornes is 100% spot on with Oliver.

[@servercannell5853]

Word is Petracca's offer to stay included a "me or him" clause.

[@gustaaf1892]

Referring to Oliver?

[@calvinschultink8452]

lol, "word is" has to be the most overused trade period cliche

[@timwestcott361]

What about the 50 Kilometre Rule ? "Riewoldt played junior and early senior football at Broadbeach before switching to Southport, where he played a big part in the club’s historic fourth consecutive QAFL premiership in 2000. But the problem for the Lions was that he lived about 75km from Brisbane. And when the proposed extension of the club’s 50km recruiting zone to a 100km recruiting zone was abolished it put him outside the catchment area. " Imagine Riewoldt playing with the Lions in 2001 ..

[@FranticMonster11]

Kozzi and his manager have said he IS NOT leaving.....

[@davechange3520]

Thank god we have Sam Edmund to consistently provide reason and logic. Kane just doesn’t like Father/son because Port have no prospects

[@kossend1]

In fairness, JHF should have been eligible for a Port F/S through his stepfather. We're in the modern world where families are more complex. They got a bit shafted there.

[@ThomR-vb7dl]

As a life long lions supporter I am beyond to excited for the suns to start becoming a contender. Just for footy in QLD, to have both teams taking a run at the flag would be incredible.

[@brujonpatrick4779]

Yes. Has bn close in Sydney.

[@shannonpincombe8485]

Won't happen. Just cannot see it regardless of Hardwick and his plans....how many years are we talking here? GC haven't even cracked the finals right in their entire history. Southport should've been the club to come in up there. Not some hodge podge club cobbled together by the AFL run on draft picks an academy and nothing as far as fan base. Southport Sharks even sounds better. Gold Coast Suns...you're kidding right?

[@billhesford6098]

@@shannonpincombe8485 I think its all about to change for GC. I've never heard of Southport. Is it a suburb of the Gold coast? The whole world envies the Gold Coast.

[@joeyrobertson9523]

@@shannonpincombe8485 Have the best list in the afl. Literally all you need to know.

[@ralphgomeze8873]

Going the Perth teams 1 extra home game does not go far enough. It looks good on paper but the reality is it does not equalize the travel. How about packaging Melbourne games in a row so they don’t have to travel as much and stay in Melbourne a few weeks with the extra game.

[@vincebaker9072]

Good call. 1 extra home game just equalises gather round and whatever TF round zero is. They need the WA teams to play in blocks to equalise the travel

[@guyh9992]

Victorians have complained about father sons since Geelong exploited the system 20 years ago. Double edged sword though, Collingwood was essentially forced to select high profile offspring such as the Brown brothers and Will Kelly and they were list cloggers for several years. Josh Daicos also looked like a bust for a while and he was selected with a pick in the 60s because there was no interest from other clubs. To some extent there is more risk involved with father sons than the normal draft.

[@billyhoyle2780]

Victorians have not complained about it, the vast majority agree and love the father/son rule, stop talking shit

[@Comatosedpeanut]

@@billyhoyle2780plenty of Victorians been whinging about Collingwood picking up a few father sons. None about Geelong or the dogs though when they cleaned up.

[@peterwhitehead4924]

Can’t Father son rule favours clubs with sons, haha😊, not sure what any club can do about that? The problem is the draft value of the son coming through? Bassett is right with what he says. Collingwood is very fortunate with Daicos boys and Lions with the Ashcrofts. Hopefully swings and roundabouts. 🤞

[@Not1Dimensional]

St Kilda had there chance in 2009 and 2010.

[@PeterM1-qx1tz]

I dont know how Saint Kilda a disadvantaged from father and sons.. didnt ANY of their players have kids?? Regardless, the way around the father son stuff is this, every club has a recruiting zone... and they get ONE pick prior to the draft.. so if Brisbane do not use that pick to pick Ashcroft, he goes into the draft..,...same with Carlton with the Camporeale twins, Pies with the Daicos boys. Its fair on everyone.

[@YvonneMcLay]

Father sons are just luck of the draw to be honest, for instance a couple of true greats like Darren Jarman and Michael Voss had pretty average kids in terms of football talent.

[@Rob-k3y]

As a crows supporter it pains me to say I find myself agreeing more with Kane than disagreeing. Can't believe it but he talks sense😮

[@DontWorryBeHappy75]

Sometimes, still hard to like him though

[@Jimbo_Ka-Blamo]

To be fair Kane has about a 70% strike rate, his public perception has been turning around for the last couple of years

[@raphaelkoch1573]

He talks sense most of the time he just says some ridiculous things, people hear the ridiculous things so then dismiss everything else. Or they don't like him so straight up dismiss what he says instead of actually listening to him.

[@CarlosGonzales-zh9wc]

Father and son is not a fair system..not fair on clubs who are struggling?

[@COVIDPLAYSOFTHEWEEK12345]

Redundant points by Sam Edmund: Sydney and Brisbane pay less on average for players and are destination clubs Gold Coast : is based in extreme AFL heartland and regions around the city have higher grass roots participation than anywhere in the country. Saying St Kilda have more ability to retain players is objectively untrue. Travel is unfair but Vic clubs do not get true home games against other Vic clubs so the benefit cancels out. St Kilda have also traveled more than any club in Victoria over the past 5 years.

[@jamie_mac]

Goes from denying go home factor straight into a western Australian wants to go home. Also if swans gave up Logan and got 2 average firsts... name a decent fwd from that draft that could do the job... the swans made the gf n still have years with him. Longmire just doesn't play a style that suits Logan.

[@ricardonarcis2221]

For those that didn't actually listen to Bassets speech he did say it was stkilda not making good selections. His point was that it's ridiculous that you can use picks in the 30s, 40s, 50s, etc to pay for a top 5 pick.

[@gustaaf1892]

He is 100% right. I'd rather just get rid of F-S picks, but as that will never happen I think you should have to use a pick from the round in which you match the bid for the draftee. If you've already used it on another player, well that's just too bad because you had your chance. And no discounts of 20% or 10% as it will be in 2025.

[@muaythaigoof]

I agree that you shouldn't be able to bundle a few mid to late round picks to get the top player in the draft

[@scottbennier1335]

Father/Sons are fair enough, eventually all clubs will get them in the door ……. Possibly there should be a limit on academy players over a 3 year period (maybe 3 max over 3 years) and if 2 father/sons in one season then no Academy players can be taken outside of the standard draft.

[@nanreffehj]

There are limits. A club is restricted on how many academy picks they get if they make the top 8, then the top 4, then if they win the premiership.

[@sebastiandalpozzo5362]

​@@nanreffehjI wasn't aware of this, what is the limit?

[@Tosicc567]

@@nanreffehj pretty sure brisbane also dont have a first round academy pick on their list atm the one they're getting this year if he goes in the first round will be the only one

[@mrstrong93]

Father-Son is fine but the Academy stuff is unfair to the smaller Melbourne clubs

[@occam5123]

Disagree with you, Kane. How about clubs like the Saints take accountability of the poor selection choices at their club.

[@berniesookie]

Father and son is fair. Ablett jnr, tomny hawkins, Scarlett and premierships, you beauty cats

[@damobax8344]

I'd argue pickett or Bolton is a bigger priority for freo then warner. Lack that class of a small goal sneak, warner is good don't get me wrong but there midfield is not the issue.

[@Hunty49]

West Coast need ALL those players, Lol.

[@damobax8344]

@@Hunty49 just to begin with 😂

[@StopandThink369]

No way I'd be prioritizing Bolton over Warner

[@damobax8344]

@StopandThink369 they don't need warner he's just a cherry on top .... they need Bolton, they need that x factor inside 50 because there current small fwds aint it

[@StopandThink369]

@@damobax8344 i agree their small fwds aren't much chop. But I just think Bolton is massively overrated. I'd go Pickett over Bolton for a small fwd. Warner and Pickett are also 2 1/2 years younger than Bolton too. Warner would be in freo's top 3 players.

[@lachieb5843]

Scrap all academy picks, father sons, and free agency comp

[@Willburchill]

Has anyone spoken about Geelong having I think Hawkins and Ablett as father sons?

[@Not1Dimensional]

Gold Coast are nowhere near winning a premiership especially compared to Brisbane.

[@jesseorlando294]

Fremantle has 4 first rounders to play with. They can get both bolton and warner in this year..

[@alexanderletzing6705]

Wtf is Edmund on about with West Coast premiership coaches? He said 4 have won flags? Only 3 have? Such an easy mistake

[@darrenkoch1718]

Kane rants about Academies. Next up… Chad Warner wants to go home to W.A. Now, children, let’s all sit down and think about this. 😂

[@damobax8344]

Father son will never change but agree needs to be a bigger price paid... almost needs to be a grading system of expected draft position and what that grade is, is what you need to cough up

[@lennytheleopard]

The kids more often than not aren't the legends their fathers were.

[@nilj9562]

You absolutely cannot have a ‘father son’ rule for an elite sporting competition. Imagine the NFL or EPL having that in place. The game is way too professional for that now and moved passed it.

[@gustaaf1892]

Totally agree. I've been saying this for ages and have been shouted down every time. Overseas they'd laugh at this as anti equalisation and based on pure luck.

[@worker-wf2em]

Father son should only kick in after 3 years. Every rookie should do his time regardless of surname. I’m sure Reid would have loved to have stayed in Melbourne but too bad. At the end of your three, if you still want to return to your father’s club then the rule can kick in to make it happen. Imagine if North instead of getting pointless priority picks had access to the actual best new talent for three years. Who knows, maybe they could have been building to something that the younger players might want to stick around for a few extra years? Draft is way too compromised with these gimmicks

[@markuswilmes3694]

LDU no good?

[@Comatosedpeanut]

Yeah let’s just draft and develop this kid so that when he turns 21 he goes I wanna go to my dad’s club, it’s a rule you have to let me go. Also Blakey was a father son and he rejected north lol.

[@ALEXLAD94]

The other guy (not The Corn) isn’t the brightest bulb

[@SLORTA5]

"Four of those six coaches have won premierships..."...Malthouse, Worsfold, Simpson, and ???

[@Stoicbilancia]

Yep, he made a mistake there. 4 flags but only 3 coaches.

[@TimS-pg5pv]

Firstly think all clubs should have the opportunity and capability to establish and develop academies. Secondly Swans should consider moving on McDonald and Amartey.

[@Hunty49]

Agree. The Sydney talls were terrible and provided no scoring opportunities.

[@kadachiman7234]

Crows 2024 trades IMO we need 2 x first rounds picks in a draft that is more even than drafts have been in the last 5-8 years - pick 4 to Freo for pick 10 and 17 (Sid Draper does not want to go to the Crows which is where he would have gone at this pick) - pick 10 - the best midfielder that is still available at this pick as there are 10-12 great choice midfielders in the top 15-20 - pick 17 and 42 to Richmond for pick 21 and 29 - pick 21- Matt Whitlock - Key Forward / Defender - pick 25 - Alex Dodson - Ruck - pick 29 - Alex Neal-Bullen - pick 60 - the best local SA talent still available or pass And to put a spanner in the works - I would offer GCS the Crows 2025 1st round pick for Jack Lukosius...sure he has selected Port but I doubt they have the picks to get the deal done, so why not see how strong his desire to move to SA actually is. As supporters we can but Dream 🙂

[@Zoso_1990]

Umm Draper wants to be a Crow. And we need him.

[@flippineck6121]

I think Father son point discounts should be based on number of games the father played for the club.

[@erichoberg3502]

I'm pretty sure it is, 200 games, I think.

[@flippineck6121]

@@erichoberg3502 It's 100 games for eligibility. What I mean is a sliding scale where all father sons can be selected regardless of games played points discount applied based on number of games being 5% per 50 games for the club.

[@vincentspiteri5594]

Not all father son works, Gavin Brown, Tony Shaw, Graig Kelly sons didn't make it

[@paulverdon4362]

Who would replace joe at the lions?

[@CobraMade-]

As a lions fan we got NOTHING when the suns and giants came in, we were down the bottom and got shit picks every year because of these clubs. GAGF it’s our time.

[@markneville9723]

How's Kane Cornes Talking about Coaches Presence? Coming from a Glorified Port Adelaide Person when Ken Hinkley has coached Port Adelaide for 12 years and no Grand Final.

[@Tatumstantrum]

Maybe the Saints should focus on looking in the mirror Improve ya footy club instead of whinging about things😂

[@mikaham681]

The AFL is not a level playing field, that is a FACT! There are numerous areas where one team or another is advantaged or disadvantaged. The end out come is some teams are regularly more successful than others. And yes, some clubs are run better than others, and that also affects onfield success. The draft and other initiatives are fine, but really the ONLY way of evening up the competition, is for the less successful club to be allowed a higher Salary cap, both on field and off. A transparent model that benefits to lower clubs each year, and less salary cap to the higher placed clubs. With this system, leading clubs would be forced to trade, and lower clubs could "buy" the players its needs. It should and would be impossible for a Premiership team to repeat their success, because they would have the lowest salary cap. Now it doesn't have to be huge difference, but at least 10% which would mean probably 1 A grader, or 2 B Graders. The Goal the AFL should be aiming for is each and every club wins a premiership every 20 years or so. That would be a healthy competition. Currently, successful clubs, stay successful, and attract the best players, coaches, staff. Less successful clubs, can draft, but then lose the player a few years later. Horne Francis is the classic example. Gold Coast have had enough stars but they all left for successful clubs. Salary Cap Money is the answer to levelling up the competion, not draft picks or $handouts because the AFL makes your team play Sunday twighlight games. Its a simple fix and would work, thats why the big fish clubs won't allow it.

[@unitedpawnbrokers1180]

Like most of cornes' comments, they crumble under sensible debate.

[@billhesford6098]

Everyone wants to move to Queensland except football players. I don't think so.

[@タコの王]

Swans need to trade Blakey, Florent, Fox and McCartin. They need to buy a Josh Kennedy type player to help control the ruck, and they need to find a better 2nd ruck.

[@Robrulz666icloud]

McCartin ??? Don’t be a fool he’s more important than the DUD Armarty and McDonald unfortunately the latter is contracted for another 4 years 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@mentalosrs3076]

Blakey? He did more than half your team in the GF. Even when the game was done he hauled ass trying to catch ah chee to stop another goal. Lions fan BTW

[@Willburchill]

Saints blame others when they could have had Bont and petrraca but missed those two picks

[@johnny1282]

stop comparing father son picks to NGA, there hundreds of young guys come out of the academy each year.

[@vigour6786]

The father son rule is inherently flawed. I'd love for it to stay in the game but there needs to be an offset for the benefit that it brings to certain clubs if it remains.

[@KenMason-zt1vf]

Geelong must have a certain way to get all these big fish every trade every year they must run out off money or salary cap sooner or later I dont know how they can manage it and to not be in debt

[@jonsnow3521]

its because the players accept lower pay to have more top players so that they have a better chance at a flag.

[@Comatosedpeanut]

It’s cause they get cotton on deals similar to what Judd got with Visy. Surely it’s dodgey.

[@Comatosedpeanut]

@@jonsnow3521lol bs. Cotton on pays them to come down, it’s shady asf.

[@KenMason-zt1vf]

Cotton on or not geelong just can't get who ever they want when it comes to the afl draft every year

[@KenMason-zt1vf]

Geelong is doing wrong it's amazing all clubs haven't put a complain about it cotton on or no cotton on as its sponsor if it's correct.

[@lexsaunders1742]

Isn’t it funny Daicos brothers at mighty Collingwood premiership side but two Ashcroft brothers at Brisbane is terrible.

[@Comatosedpeanut]

No one bid on Josh daicos till late in the draft. No one rated him.

[@lexsaunders1742]

@@Comatosedpeanut hats irrelevant, the question is why is it ok for the 2023 premiers Collingwood to have THREE father son players in their winning team but it is not ok for Brisbane to have one Ashcroft in its winning team and another next year.

[@marcoamato]

Brisbane lost last year's flag by 4 points 10 league changes .

[@theoneweekwonder]

father/sons should be free. You are paying for the future that you can't see into

[@bluesful]

Victorian clubs sooking about 'fairness' is hilarious.

[@dejeynes]

Bidding system 100% needs to be fairer for F/S, NGAs and Northern Academies. With that said, Northern Academies should not be lumped into the same category as the other two. GCS, Lions, Swans and Giants have been absolute feeder clubs for the traditional state teams for years and years. The Northern Academies helps to equalize the system, given these clubs constantly hemorrhage players that want to “go home” without getting any “go home” players themselves. What purpose does F/S play other than romanticism? NGAs were only brought in because other clubs were whinging about the NAs - and now they get first dibs on highly rated players without putting in any meaningful development. Guys like Mac Andrew, JUH, Quaynor etc were already playing footy and were only eligible because of their nationality and they fell into a certain zone. NGAs in particular are an absolute rort and serves no real purpose to draftee development. The fact the AFL re-invoked the old NGA bidding rules is a complete slap in the face to the draft.

[@SLORTA5]

So St Kilda will have access to the sons of other clubs champions...to ruin and cast aside after their bad system turns them to shit. Yeah, how about you fix your own club's culture both on and off the field so that the children of champions want to come and play for you?

[@rafaelaldemarogallardolovo1546]

Kane did just justify the point of the academy the other guy doesn't understand the. Home factor effect Lohmann though of leaving Fages told him stay put and you work hard and eventually be rewarded we lost so many players back then Kane kudos for justify the past and now the present

[@dougtheslug3793]

Corn is right on the money. The father son system is a complete joke

[@TheLaughingMagpie]

The father son is one of those things that you hate right until the moment you get a good one, then it’s like Christmas for the fan base

[@bradleyjames8228]

Father son is a lottery. If your team is lucky enough to have past players having sons rather than daughters you’re half a chance. The whining about this is ridiculous. System is the same for everyone in this regard.

[@_..Justin-Case.._]

You’re wrong on both points. Kane never said the father son system is a joke, and it’s also not a joke, it’s just complete luck. The academy system is flawed.

[@The_Ubatron]

11:20 Harsh. I'll be the first to say these young men are paid way too much on top of the elite 24/7 health and fitness support the rest of us could only dream of and so many of us just simply go without, but the anger and bitterness with which you attack Oliver, particularly around his weight and sense of belonging - no doubt psychosocial for him and something no multimillion-dollar contract, as sickening as that is to me, can resolve in a highly prioritised team environment - is shameful. Fine, talk about fitness and performance, but please desist, at least for the sake of the many young, impressionable and vulnerable people watching, from attacking a person's weight or a person's psychological wellbeing. Enough is enough.

[@edbehan1306]

St Kilda didn't have the good sense to tank like the rest around them mid pack. Let's not get into the match review and umpiring special circumstances for the St's.

[@Cinimod-r3k]

When nick revolt three boys come of age st kilda won’t be singing that tune

[@YvonneMcLay]

No guarantees though, Darren Jarmans kids were total spuds in terms of football ability.

[@my2cents198]

His 3 sons will be in a retirement home and St kilda still won't win a flag... that club is gay AF !!

[@nicokent9648]

Father son is such typically Australian nepo bullshit

[@nathanking6670]

Don't hate the player hate the game

[@mrmikeriley]

The fact that it exists or that clubs use it? Which part is nepotism?

[@shramo]

@nicokent9648 That's not nepotism. Nepotism is when people without merit gain wrongful reward or advantages because of who their family is or knows. All the father/son recruits would have had a spot on a list even if they weren't related to anyone who ever played football.

[@darthpunk5455]

Sack Hinkley.

[@trevorsmith3374]

Get out of your comfy offices and come check out Aussie rules environment in Queensland. Geez you guys are blinkered. Most people can’t stand it.

[@brujonpatrick4779]

Trevi, u must b a broncos tradgety. U r not right.