Counter steering explained. (This video contains coarse language, 14+)

[@jeremymatamales5072]

The way I see it, (depending on how fast you are going), is that it's not a counter "steer" but a counter tap or a counter nudge... then it pops you into the correct direction before you know it which is why people overlook it... It's a nudge pressure and... nudge more if you need more turn... Counter "steering" creates a bit of confusion for new riders, especially when the instructor doesn't explain that the bike will almost automatically go the opposite way if you do it right... Great video!

[@smokinjoe4709]

Been riding since the late 80s. Somewhere a few years ago I first heard of counter-steering and thought it was BS. But I'm a relatively a smart open minded person so I studied it. Then went out to see what I was naturally doing. Turns out that all these years I was steering with just my left hand and never knew it. I would push forward with left hand to go left and pull back with left hand to go right. Once I realized this fact, I set out to learn how to correctly steer. From that time forward I push right to go right and push left to go left. You can teach an old dog new tricks!!

[@sonicrising6614]

+Smokin' Joe There really was nothing to learn, you were doing it all along, the term "Counter Steering" is something that was invented to try and teach people how to steer a motorcycle but really all it did was confuse the crap outta people that already knew how to do it, they just didn't realize they knew that what they were doing was actually counter steering. There is NO other way to steer a bike, so if you're steering it, your ARE counter steering. It should just be called steering because that's what it is. It is not an alternate method, it is not a new fad, it simply is the only way that a bike can be steered. Physics for the win.

[@smokinjoe4709]

Yes, but what I was trying to say was that I was doing it all with just my left hand. I have now found that when I push instead of pull that I seem to have more control through the turn.

[@pictishbynature1522]

Thank you I've watched countless counter steering videos and no one explained a certain question I had. Once you achieve the angle you don't push anymore. Finally. Thank you!

[@sonicrising6614]

You're very welcome. Ride safe.

[@dawrathofgod9372]

Nice video very simple and to the point...I'm starting on a Hayabusa which some people think is crazy but if you take your time to learn your bike and the basics SLOWLY then it's not a problem. I really didn't think that much about counter steering because it kinda came natural but vids like this explaining it make it that much more clear of the importance and necessity. Thanks man

[@sonicrising6614]

Thanks for the comments and thanks for watching. Good luck with Busa. It's a beast.

[@dawrathofgod9372]

+SonicRising thanks bro

[@catsbyondrepair]

Hayakilled

[@Ducati_Dude]

The term 'Counter Steering' sounds much more complex than it actually is... As another poster mentioned, just call it 'Steering'. Push right to lean/go right, push left to lean/go left... can't get much easier than that... 👍☺

[@Calypso3]

Literally the best CLEAR and CONCISE explanation. We overthink this natural occurrence. Thanks!!

[@sonicrising6614]

+Lipsrus21 Thanks for the kind words, and you're welcome ;)

[@gksalf10]

Your explanation could have been great but you missed on the direction at 5:25. It does not tilt to the "opposite" direction. Gyroscopic precession occurs towards a "vertical" direction. At 6:27 you said the gyroscope "wants to get back" into its most comfortable position. This one is a complete blunder and it blows up the validity of the entire explanation. The front wheel gyroscope does not "get back" to any original position, it changes the lean angle(in a vertical fashion). Gyroscopic precession is not about returning, it is about changing the position in odd way. Gyroscopic effect does help leaning but it is not the single most important principle of countersteer. Countersteer works in extremely slow speed too, and also when the gyroscopic effect has been deliberately canceled by adding an opposite-turning wheel.

[@Lehmann108]

Actually the physics of counter steering are quite simple. The problem is that people don't think it through enough and think it makes no sense that if you push, for example, on the left grip, the bike should turn right because you are turning the front wheel to the right and therefore should go in that direction. Counter steering induces lean and then you turn in the direction of the lean.

[@Cruz474]

Thanks for the vid, I don't need to look up anymore videos about this. Very clear and precise.

[@Blake-ld7mx]

best video by far. I started on a liter bike 4weeks ago CBR 1000 I found myself riding instinctively but wondering if I was turning right. Your vid sums it up we already know how to countersteer we just don't realize it.

[@sonicrising6614]

Finally someone gets it..lol, Thank-you.

[@handyhippie6548]

WW1 biplanes with radial engines had the same issue. you may not be into physics, but you did one hell of a job explaining this phenomena.

[@sonicrising6614]

Thank-you!

[@rcgldr]

Getting into the physics: a bike using circular but non-rotating skate blades could skate (coast) along a sheet of ice and not only be easy to ride, it would be self stable due to steering geometry. Due to "trail", the front tire tends to steer in the direction of lean. No gyroscopic effects involved. A bike leans because you literally steer the wheels out from underneath you. Steer left and the wheels move left under the bike, causing it to lean right. Once leaned to the right, a bikes steering geometry (trail) will then tend to steer right enough to correct the lean as long as the rider doesn't apply too much force on the handlebars to oppose the self steering. Since a bike tends to self-correct ("unlean"), a rider has to apply some pressure to hold a lean angle (except at racing speeds). Without going into details, gyroscopic reaction tends to oppose the self stability of a bike, acting as a damper to the self correcting steering reaction related to trail and lean angle. At racing speeds (100+ mph / 160+ kph), the gyroscopic dampening becomes a dominant factor and once a bike is leaned over it will tend to stay leaned over. The rider will have to countersteer (push on the outside handlebar) in order to "unlean" a bike at racing speeds. Having to countersteer to "unlean" a bike at racing speeds is not intuitive, which is why racing schools spend more time teaching countersteering for both leaning and "unleaning", or to quickly transition between leaning one way and leaning the other way for S type turn sequences.

[@jRod80b]

Great vid. This is the simplest explanation i've seen so far. Thank you!

[@sonicrising6614]

Gerrard Rhoden You're welcome, I'm glad you understood what I was trying to explain :)

[@allmhuran]

A bike has been built that proves gyroscopic effects aren't really relevant to steering. This was done by putting counter-rotating weights on the rims. Therefore any gyroscopic effect created by the wheel was offset by the counter-rotating weight. But the bike still countersteers. Primarily, countersteering is about inertia. When we turn the bars to - say - the left, the inertia of the mass of the bike and rider still wants to go straight ahead. But the tyre doesn't want to go straight anymore,, it wants to go left. So, there's a frictional force from the road acting on the bottom of the tire which is much greater than the resistance encoutered when the tyre is rolling directly along the direction of travel. So, picture this: The front tyre doesn't want to go straight, but the bike does. There's a frictional component acting at the bottom of the tyre preventing it from going straight. But the bike tries to push it straight. This means a torque is created. The bottom of the front tyre is "dragged" backwards, and the intertia of the bike pushes the top of the front tyre over. But the tyre is, of course, attached to the forks. It can't actually lean over forwards. If we suddenly disconnected the front tyre at this point, that's what it would do. But it can't. It's trapped. So the force is transmitted into the frame of the bike. What happens? Well, imagine this: Take a bike which is standing upright. Turn the bars to the left. Now walk around to the front of the bike, crouch down, and pull the top of the front tyre towards you. From the original point of view, the bike will lean to the right (now your left, because you're facing the bike). Don't pull too hard! And it helps to have a friend to hold the bike upright (although you can see this effect with the bike on a sidestand, just do it gently) OK, so this is what our countersteer achieved: the whole bike is leaning right, and the tyre is pointing left. Now what? Now we relax pressure on the bar. The front tyre will now move to a position of least resistance. When the bike is leaned over to the right, this means a position where the tyre is pointing to the right, into the turn. This is why we need to relax our pressure on the bars. If you keep the pressure on the front tyre will keep out tracking and the bike will lean over more and more. So, what's different at low speed? In principle, nothing! But you'll notice that when riding at low speed you can really tell that the front tyre is constantly and rapidly pivoting left and right just a little bit. So, to initiate a turn at low speed you often don't have to start a countersteer... you just take advantage of one of these natural deflections, and just maintain it a little longer by preventing the tyre from seeking back to a stable position. Now the bike is in an unstable position, and the front tyre will want to fall into the turn. But at low speed it often can't fall fast enough by itself, unless you haver super light steering. You have to speed up that process. *This* is why it feels like you turn the handlebars into the corner to turn at low speed. You dont! You still turn with a countersteer, but *after* the turn is established you need to help the front tyre find its stable position, which does mean helping it point into the turn.

[@XtreeM_FaiL]

Best summary I've ever seen.

[@enematwatson1357]

allmhuran I'd give this a thousand likes if I could. 👍

[@Pavysama177]

Thank you, Allmhuran. This detailed explanation clears it all up for me.

[@sheikhyaboooty]

My tuppence worth, All bikers counter steer all the time, whether or not they realise it. The only way to get a bike to change direction above about 10mph is to countersteer. However, deliberate and planned counter steering is by far the best way of taking a bend, putting a little pressure on, or pulling gently, depending on your preferred method but done with deliberation is the smoothest, safest, quickest and most fun way to deal with twisties.

[@ghostmonk8254]

On my little 150 i practiced this, i dont know how else to steer myself now aside from really slow speed then its kinda like a bmx used to handle.. My buddy thought i was completely mental, he would lean, he would also go wide, crushed his foot even. But it clicked in his mind while racing another buddy and all of a sudden hes cornering gracefully, well controlled. Im still on my 150, its become more of a toy at this stage, 2 yrs, my first 2 wheeler i figured a 150 will do. Im quite confident in my controlls, also how to function with the traffic around me. Was enough time to get a couple of good jackets, decent helmet, solid boots, comfortable riding in the rain, So its time. Going up a notch, 40kph up a steep hill is kinda bleak.im a big guy, 6ft5, after scratching for a year the kawasaki vulcan 650 looks like a fair option, or even the kawasaki z650rs something like that. But we shall see after riding em. Im sure a 650 can haul me around at a reasonable speed.

[@joedoole3527]

The thing I don't get is just the term itself "counter steering" because its used differently in cars vs bikes. To me, pushing on the right grip to go right and pushing on the left grip to go left is just "steering". Counter steering for me is when I'm on track with my car and I feel over steer and steer against the direction of the spin to regain control. THAT to me is counter steering because your turning left when you want the car to go back right. On a bike though, I'm not pushing left if I want to go right, so where's the "counter" part of counter steering? As far as I'm concerned on a bike you just steer, and counter steering is when you steer opposite the direction you want to go in to correct a situation.

[@georgiojansen7758]

clock and counter clock

[@GMak81]

I'm no expert but compare bikes to cars, cars turn where the steering wheels are facing, with a bike it's the opposite. Weight transfer is a huge factor on bikes (essentially part of biking "body roll"), so if you want to make the bike "fall to the right" for a right turn, you have to turn the profile of the tyre away from the intended direction of travel to initiate that turn. Right turn in a car = left hand up - take that into a horizontal plane on a bike's bars: right turn = left hand down. Hence counter-steering. I'm not trying to be a smartarse, I may not be correct, but I felt you made a valid comment and I tried to do you the decency of communicating an answer. Drive and ride safe and have fun mate!

[@sonicrising6614]

Joe Doole, you are right, it should just be called steering. You can counter steer a bike in a drift the same way you can in a car, and that is what I would call counter steering. However, because a bike is steered in an opposite manner to a car, they call it counter steering, which is in my opinion stupid, but that's the way it is.

[@MrJeffinLodi]

but you are still 'steering' the opposite direction; pushing right is 'steering' left.

[@Ducati_Dude]

It's called 'Counter Steering' as the rider turns the wheel one way, but the bike leans, and goes in the opposite (Counter) direction.

[@matthewaguilar7849]

Newtons 1st law an object at rest or in motion stays at rest or in motion unless acted on by an opposing force Newtons 2nd law the force exerted by an object is a product of that objects mass and acceleration Newtons 3rd law for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction None are related to counter steering

[@sonicrising6614]

His 3rd law applies to gyroscopes.

[@Bentense]

Matthew Aguilar lol on a gyroscope if you push left it moves itself right, 3rd law right there.

[@XtreeM_FaiL]

+Ben Baeb Gyroscopic forces has no effect on countersteering. Snowbike witch has no wheels and therefore no gyroscopic effect turn by countersteering.

[@geofflester8836]

nice job bud you did a great job explaining that thanks safe riding my friend.

[@radiantvibessss]

If you’re near the end of the turn, what would you do to go back to an upright position?

[@sonicrising6614]

Counter steer the other way until you’re upright. It’s very natural.

[@radiantvibessss]

SonicRising thanks !

[@devlinmaguire8074]

Probably the best explanation on the web in other words it happens so get on with it, unfortunately some folk would want walking explained and why they dont fall over

[@antdx316]

Just remember this every time you turn at speeds beyond like 15mph. When you are going to turn left sit as close to the bike as possible, put pressure on the right foot peg, right knee to the gas tank, push left handle bar, and move your head diagonally forward left up to 90 degrees on the left elbow. For the right side just do the opposite everything for the left side. The idea is to keep the bike as upright as possible and lean no more than necessary. Even if it isn't required for you to "hang" on it's a good idea to make a habit because it may feel faster to lean by doing it the wrong way but at high high speeds doing it right is where it show the rewards of doing it right. Keep the eyes up too and you will see how much easier it is to ride at very high speeds than it was before consistently.

[@MorsDengse]

Gyroscope wants to get back into its "most comfortable position"? Really? People tend to believe, that an object under influence of gyroscopic effect cant be moved, because after all that effect is used in gyroscopes. But that is not the case. A gyroscope in a plane only works as long as absolutely no force is applied to it. It that case, it will maintain its position, and can thus be used as reference. Not so with the front wheel of a bike. If you apply a force to the front wheel, by pushing the handle bars, the gyroscope will respond with tilting. It basically translates the applied force 90 degrees. So at this point, the gyroscope is "happy". It is not trying to go anywhere. In order to raise the bike quickly again, you apply an opposite force to the handlebars, and the gyroscope will translate it into an opposite tilt, and raise the bike.

[@stonedvideos1]

top heavy and inline vehicle, move the bottom left, the top will fall right, and vice versa. i know for a fact when i was a kid i could ride my pedal power bike with no hands and turn just by leaning.

[@Syn741]

How it works is when force is applied to a certain direction, the force is transferred 90 degrees of the direction the gyro is rotating(in this case the bike tire). so for a bike case, when you turn right, you push your right handlebars, which also mean that you are pushing the front portion ofthe right side of the tire. so if you apply the 90 degree rule, the force will be pushing the buttom of the right side of the tires which will make the bike tilt right vice versa. always remember the faster you go the more stable the gyro is. i'm not asking you to speed, but if you go really fast, you will find it hard to see the handle bars move when you turn. but if you push on the handle bars you will see the bike move. if you really want to truely understand it, go buy a gyroscope. it's really interesting

[@Syn741]

@@jimomega381 That's your theory mate. no where in my comment said anything about heavy tires.

[@Syn741]

@@jimomega381 what you fail to mention is by adding a 6 foot bar, you change where the center of rotation is. To make you "lift" the 10kg weight, you push forward, which inturns forces the 10KG wheel to push to the left. Since you have a 6 feet bar attached to it, an the wheel is not spinning freely, the force of the wheel pushing to the left with the resistance of your hands at the end of the bar pushes the weight up. my explanation still holds true because the wheel is the center of rotation and there is little to no resistance as compared to a 6 foot bar at the end. It's is not the same thing. In conclusion counter steering comes from gyroscopic effect.

[@Syn741]

@@jimomega381 haha cute. You need to hit the books more 🤡

[@Syn741]

@@jimomega381 so are you.

[@Syn741]

@Jim Omega still wrong, though. With your reply, I notice that you have comprehension issues. But okay.

[@zZKableZz]

at 6:02 and so on you just anwsered my question. Thanks you so much lol

[@sonicrising6614]

kioti15 Lol, Okay, you're welcome, now I'm curious what your question was. :)

[@zZKableZz]

Well ive ridden dirt bikes for a long time now. And im wanting to move up to a Yzf R6. But ive been really curious as to making corners at higher speeds cause i have never rode a sport bike in hard corners.

[@sonicrising6614]

kioti15 Oh well then counter steering video's is not what you should be watching, really the only thing that corners better on the road than a sport bike is a super moto (basically a dirt bike with race tires on it.) High speed cornering on a dirt bike involves drifting and such, but doing it on a race bike at high speeds requires knowing how to position your body for maximum weight transfer into the corner with the minimal amount of lean angle for your speed (so you don't lose the rear end under acceleration) Keep in mind that race bikes are designed to race which means shaving seconds off your time, which means being able to heavily accelerate through corners, so even though it looks like they're leaned over a lot during racing, the rider is actually trying to balance the amount of lean as to not low side the bike but maximize exit speed, leaning off the bike does this but it DOES NOT help corner the bike, it simply allows the racer to use less lean at higher speed. (different physics lesson lol) If you want to learn how to do that then you need to go to a professional race school ( lots of places offer 1, 2, or 3 day courses if you have a track near by.) Please don't try and learn it from watching youtube, you will end up busting up yourself and your bike. But unless you want to race then you just ride it as you would any other bike.

[@sonicrising6614]

kioti15 If you haven't seen this, watch it and put it in your "favs" list. This is everything you need to know. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYe6fXyceM2Irck

[@zZKableZz]

Thanks. Ive been watching and reading about cornering, and body positioning.

[@POPPASHANGO]

Jesus Christ. Do you know why this is an argument and will always be an argument? Because peoples brains are wired differently. Everybody is arguing about the mechanics of counter steering which is always the same. Where people get confused.. angry and argumentative is they are all ignoring the aspect human input. "If I push the right handle bar the bike will turn right" "If I push the left handlebar the bike will turn left" Yell yell yell blah blah blah yadda yadda yadda. The problem is there are people on this planet whose brain does not function that way. "If I pull the left handle bar the bike will turn right" "If I pull the right handle bar the bike will turn left" Or some people will think: "I am "pushing" the handle forward...or I am "pressuring" the handle bar downward" Riders that are successfully making turns are all doing the same thing if they are making the turn. It is just their mind and how they are interpreting the input they are performing to make that turn. I met a guy once that was teaching golf swings and he asked us where we felt the power of the swing was coming from. Was it your forward arm or your back arm? A lot of us were saying it was the back that was generating the force. He said, no it is your forward arm that is doing it. He then demonstrated by teeing off with both hands on the club and the teeing off with only his forward hand on the club and making the same distance. He said this is the same principal when swinging a bat. I can guarantee that to this day that there are those who were in his class that are still confused and would argue it's the other way around. Because in their mind that is what "feels" natural. It is nearly as easy as understanding that there are right handed people on this planet..and left handed people on this planet. Both can have flawless handwriting...and both will hold the pencil differently and angle the paper in opposite directions. So getting angry that people don't "get it" is an exercise in futility because you arguing finite mechanics vs input based on human perspective.

[@aad516]

Cool video. Your bike sounds good

[@binksters_dad]

This video was great. Your colorful explanation was great! 😂

[@Ducati_Dude]

Gyroscopes ❔ Think of countersteering this way... when you are in a car, going quite fast, and the driver steers to the left very quickly. Your body 'seems' to do what??? Lean/be thrown to the right. Actually, it's the car that moves... your body keeps going in the same direction as it was until the car turned. The car turns, but your body, and it's momentum, wants to stay on the same path. The same principle applies to any two wheeled vehicle (going fast enough). The gyroscopic effect on the bikes wheels keep it upright. To turn in a particular direction, you need to 'lean' the motorcycle in the direction you want to go. SO... you need to 'offset' the gyrospopic effect to 'lean' the bike. By 'Slightly' turning the wheel, let's say... left (push on right grip), 'throws' the bike, and you, to the 'right'. Just like how your body seemed to be thown to the 'right' in the car turning example above. Simple... 👍☺

[@MorsDengse]

Think of countersteering this way... when you are on a bike, and you apply force to the handlebars, the gyroscopic effect of the front wheel prevents it to turn. It instead translate the applied force into a lean, which is the cause for the bike turning. You pretty much got every aspect of how the gyroscopic effect work, to how leaning, counter steering and gravity works, completely wrong. Impressive.

[@michaeldodge9020]

Awesome video. Brand new rider, I understood the push left/right go left/right idea, but this helped me understand more of what's going on. Plus, I dig people that use course language to tell it like it is haha. Sub'd.

[@sonicrising6614]

Thanks so much, I'm glad you learned something from it, it was a hard thing to describe without visual aides. And thanks for accepting all my swearing. I originally tried making vids without swearing but 20 years in the military made that an impossibility, lol, so I just stuck a coarse language warning on it.

[@georgewhite9299]

Try doing your discussion when you're not riding. Too much cursing/excitement/energy in your talk. One reason that you have so many people not understanding is that you do have a lot of NEW RIDERS, who've been SCARED by talk and by some INTENTIONALLY by some who want to impress others with their skill of riding. Otherwise, thanks for your time & instructions. Very Good!🚴👍😎😇

[@StillElias]

So leaning is counter-steering? when I lean I hold myself in place by putting a little pressure on the handlebars but I don't begin my turns with pressure on the bars, I just lean.

[@southernknight9983]

Putting forward pressure on one handle bar causes your bike to lean, thus turn. Your body can remain perfectly still. All you have to do is put forward pressure on the handle bar and the bike will lean and turn automatically and instantly.

[@seventysevencats]

@That one Leaning a bike creates the counter steering naturally. If you push a bicycle by its saddle and use leaning to make it turn, you can notice the handlebar briefly moving the other way: it counter-steers.

[@enematwatson1357]

That one Any pressure you put on the handlebars that cause them to rotate is CS. Even if it's 0.1° of rotation, the bike WILL respond by leaning more (or less).

[@jasonn2284]

Counter steer to turn right is push right lean right. Turn left is push left lean left.

[@geddstock]

It works every time I mean every time,if you consciously counter steer you will become a better safer rider. Why would you try not to counter steer ?

[@kaylalosch7272]

So to turn the bike to the right the handle bars and front wheel need to turn left? Sure...makes perfect sense to me....

[@enematwatson1357]

Kayla Losch It does not make sense to most people but it's the way it is. It's not uncommon for even experienced riders to be unaware of it and even to violently reject the idea that they are doing it and always have.

[@Frank-DuxVanDamme]

When I was learning to ride a bike I was scared as shit to try counter steering 😂 People do it but I'm gonna end up in a ditch I thought. It worked like a charm.

[@themanrecon6652]

Yo Cuz you said it best and put my mind to rest.."you don,t have to understand how it works it just works:I don't know shit on physics but I would beat myself up on how it works which would make me think am I doing this shit right even after riding 45 +years since a kid,well fuck I have been doing it great u just don,t have to think about the physics in doing it you do it..lol thx for sharing

[@jpfmsantoz]

If I want to understand countersteering , what do I do exactly? I don't think it was clear enough :p

[@MrJeffinLodi]

This is a simple method; when you turning right; push your right handle bar; you will instantly feel the bike turn right. Opposite for left turns; push with your left hand. It's a simple as that. More force for more turn.

[@tomppa7204]

Last video 5years ago what happened him

[@Ihelpanytime]

When I was a kid on a bicycle I was just leaning my heavy ass without moving the handle bars.

[@southernknight9983]

Counter steering works the same on bicycles as it does on motorcycles. You do have to be going over 5 mph, on either for the gyroscopic effect to take over, so on a bicycle you have to get up to speed, first and it doesn't feel as dramatic cause you are not going very fast.

[@payagonz8825]

thanks for the vid boss ur very blunt i like that😎👍had a few laughs too

[@genecitarella3516]

Counter steering I believe needs to be much more than just trivial knowledge; Unless a rider has experiential knowledge of what counter steering is and how it works, their will come a time when the rider will need to avoid an obstacle very quickly and just might resort to trying to turn the handlebars away from the obstacle out of a natural response, as if he was steering a car, and end up steering directly into the obstacle. Please watch this video and you will see what I'm saying. "Be Safe" kzbin.info/www/bejne/kIa6h5yXqb6SgqM

[@sonicrising6614]

+legend I understand what you're trying to say here but here but let's clear up some confusion. No matter what vehicle you are driving, your natural response is going to be the same regardless of if you are trying to avoid an obstacle or if you are simply driving normally, you either know how to steer or you don't. In both cases of car and motorcycle, if you can't grasp the concept of steering then you simply would not be able to operate the vehicle period. What you see in this video you linked is a classic case of target fixation (which happens with cars as well) and likely improper breaking. When you break hard on a motorcycle while cornering, it actually makes the bike want to stand up straight which negates your turn angle and you end up going straighter than you intended. Accompany that with the target fixation and you have a recipe for disaster. If I was to put all my chips on the table, I would bet that this rider was not very experienced and the accident was caused by both of those factors. Thanks for the comment and thanks for watching.

[@genecitarella3516]

I believe that we are simply going to disagree about this; but i will share one more point, that many guys i have known ride for many years and when we mention counter steering to them , they don't know what that even is, now of course we know that they have been counter steering all along but they mix in some kind of body weight shifting and and muscling the handle bars and they have been ridding for many years like this, like dodging a bullet, sure we know that their is counter steering happening here, but these folks don't have experiential knowledge of what they are actually doing as far as steering goes. This fellow in the video was ridding and turning for who knows how long but if he had a truer sense of the mechanics of how counter steering worked he wouldn't have turned his motorcycle as if he was steering a car and that is the reason for this crash, he simply reacted to a critical situation and instead of putting pressure on the right bar, which he thought for a split second he would be steering into the truck, he instinctively went into survival mode and did the reverse and turned away from the truck, and that was his big mistake. We need to rewire our brain by practicing counter steering. "Be Safe"

[@sonicrising6614]

+legend Of course we can certainly agree to disagree but despite what this video says, I personally don't believe that is what happened. I could be wrong, but after viewing this a few more times at the slow motion parts, it looks to me that the reason his handle bars are moving left to right so much is because he has lost control of his front end, not because he is trying to steer in the opposite direction repeatedly as the video claims. I'm not sure what your experience is with riding but if you have ever been in a situation where you needed to avoid a collision in a hurry (which I have a few times) you tend to get on the breaks extremely hard first which ultimately ends up causing a loss of control of the front wheel. There are many factors in play that contribute to this but as you said in your response it comes down to lack of experience and knowledge as a whole, not just with counter steering. So yes I will agree with your original comment that we need to know what counter steering is, however I believe that it is not the most fundamental of skills that riders should be focusing on, simply because there are SO many other factors that can contribute to a loss of steering control no matter how much you know on the subject of how counter steering works. Suspension, breaks and breaking power, road conditions, tire pressure, tire temperature etc all have an effect on how the bike will steer, the mechanics of counter steering are simply the means to getting you moving either left or right, counter steering only has one end result, more or less lean angle, so in situations like the one in this video I personally don't believe it had anything to do with knowledge of counter steering. That said it is very hard to know what factors did indeed cause this crash, and perhaps this rider did indeed try and turn his bars in the wrong direction multiple times, but personally I don't think so, I think if he did try turning his bars like that repeatedly you would see a much more violent effect in the bike which would eventually lead to a high side had he not unfortunately hit the truck. Again just my opinion, you are of course entitled to yours and I welcome that.. I will leave you with this, if you have never seen Keith Code's "Twist of the wrist" video, I would highly recommend watching it, and also maybe sharing it with friends. Here is a link. Cheers. kzbin.info/www/bejne/gYe6fXyceM2Irck

[@genecitarella3516]

I have seen Keith Code's twist of the wrist many times and I am in agreement totally with that, also I do totally understand counter steering. This video that I am sharing, is self explanatory, very simply a failure to understand counter steering that's all my friend. "Be Safe"

[@sonicrising6614]

+legend Fair enough, thanks for the comments and your views, take care and all the best.

[@abelowther7531]

You are just getting the bike in to a leen. you turn right. And the bike leens left it just starts the leen.

[@stevenmcc2119]

its funny when people argue ay even if not on a bike its a gyroscope effect like a fuckin top that spins ay good vid most dudes over explain it ive watched tons of videos giving wrong info saying " pull left go left" like yeah good way to crash

[@JPLAVA1955]

This is nonsense about gyroscopes. Search youtube for video called "consequences of not understanding counter steering on a motorcycle". Skip the crash and go directly the the 35 second mark. It is the true and actual explanation why counter steering works.

[@sonicrising6614]

Yes, I've seen that video many times. The explanation given in that video is the direct result of a tire reacting under gyroscopic forces. He's just explaining it in a different way.

[@DynamixsEd]

It's all about that gyro life end of...

[@Joe_1971]

Is this Neil Peart? You sound a lot like him.

[@sonicrising6614]

I cannot disclose that at this time ;)

[@Joe_1971]

@@sonicrising6614 Neil you sly dog you.!!

[@SmokeRingsPipeDreams]

Truth!

[@HORNET6]

It's not that complicated at all. You really built it up when there is non need. Gyroscopic Precession is what you are describing.Simply put the result of an applied force is 90 degrees from the applied force.We steer the wheel horizontally left or right, the result is left or right lean.Oh and gyros don't need to return to a 'happy place' that's why the bike is steady in a turn until you counter steer to lean more or stand back up. Simple.

[@MLambdaman]

+HORNET6 That is not _that_ simple. If gyroscopic effect were the only factor involved in motorcycle stability, then you could ride... on ice.

[@HORNET6]

Ok, ok but I'm talking stability not grip or traction which of course is what you lose when you hit ice. A different matter altogether. You can alter how a bike responds by making geometry & suspension changes but the gyro effect of the wheels is indisputable. The nature of the rotating mass can be altered by reducing the mass ie light weight wheels.

[@ihavecojones]

some pretty advanced phisics classes... aka 8th-9th grade machanics :)), at least here in Romania...dunno bout Canada or Murrica...but yea... a fucking junior HS kid learns about gyroscopic proccesion here

[@mr.sandman5311]

how else do people turn? Do they try turning the handle bars?

[@enematwatson1357]

Mr. Sandman Magic, voodoo, incantations, bodyweight and just a bit of inadvertent CS. 😁

[@9dominion]

Excellent.

[@MorsDengse]

A bike turns when it has a lean angle. That is the only reason. The actual turning of the front wheel is not something that the rider really controls. The inclination of the front forks and the stability of the bike, takes care of that. That is why you can ride a bike with your arms tied on your back, no matter how fast you go. There are two ways to lean a bike. - Actual leaning - Counter steering Actual leaning works fine. It can make up for any daily drive use, and as long as you take it easy, it will work fine. Counter steering, is using the gyroscopic effect of the front wheel, to translate a force applied to the handbars, into a tilt, ie. the bike leaning. Remember, this has ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with the actual physical position of the handlebars, as explained above. As the bike leans to ex. the right, the handlebars will also turn slightly to the right, EVEN if you are pushing the handlebars to the left. However, counter steering can be applied much much faster and more accurate than leaning, so any experienced rider will prefer this.

[@indyvin1622]

14 minutes to explain countersteering, and the point isn't really clear...?Ridiculous!

[@sonicrising6614]

Everyone else seems to understand.

[@MrJeffinLodi]

This is a simple method; when you turning right; push your right handle bar; you will instantly feel the bike turn right. Opposite for left turns; push with your left hand. It's a simple as that. More force for more turn.

[@ethunter2413]

Science Bitch!

[@EBM_Worldwide]

thumbs up just for canada

[@sonicrising6614]

The true north, strong and free!

[@MrNsane4]

To real for the turds 👌🏾👌🏾😂😂

[@hotwheelsdj123]

easier , i ya dont knw about countersteering, dont get a bike and leave the fuckin road to us who know how

[@hemiv8949]

don't understand the point of it if your riding and turning left or right that's what you're doing following the shape and turns of the road, so why the point of thinking about the physics of riding. ffs, you don't turn left if you want to go right.

[@obiplays5270]

Dude you really sound like a more vulgar Neil Peart.

[@toolamw]

stop fing and talking and do some cornering. bla bla bla. Some Irish accent is coming out to lol

[@sonicrising6614]

Funny, I've never been to Ireland.

[@CCShad]

Manotick! lol cheers eh

[@CCShad]

Manotick! lol cheers eh