Counter-Strike 2 is Divisive

[@perfectenrager]

No workshop maps is a bummer.

[@CaptainJet99]

Just an two for anyone, you can still play workshop maps when you launch via the Csgo demo viewer. Idk if you can play with friends but that’s also how you get into old surf community maps

[@Sythrin3]

Tysm Bless you ♡

[@IrradiatedShotgun]

I believe it was a shitty move to just remove the old cs:go entirely, what if people want the assets for mods or to play old maps that aren’t on source 2, not to mention things like gmod that may require csgo content for certain addons. I might just be rambling about crap but that is a major reason for my aversion to cs2.

[@izack0128]

Yeah, Like why CSGO wasn't a standalone game?

[@sesad5035]

Maybe because people would play csgo more than cs2 because of the system requirements.

[@manamori]

the reason csgo isn't around anymore is in the title of the video: it would be divisive to keep both. and the cs2 requirements are essentially negligible, source 2 is better optimized. "looks good" doesn't always equal "needs an expensive gaming pc", valve have always been really good at figuring this out

[@sesad5035]

@@manamori "Optimized" my ass. The game runs at a shitty framerate.

[@spazmagoog]

@@manamori Why would this game be divisive if there was never any problem with any of the previous games in the franchise being divisive?

[@cheesypoohalo]

I think the issue is the CS community is overwhelmingly a hardcore community, and Valve has clearly prioritised the most 'important' players. The majority of CS players either just play comp (and even then it seems 50% just played Mirage or Dust 2 for the last decade), care about the esports stuff, or are skin traders. These are the big 3 groups, and it feels the casuals and more niche players got shafted. I'm a massive casual CS player, I throw on a video on my second monitor or a podcast and play this game as a fun way to turn my brain off and relax. I played a lot of Demolition, Arms Race, even some Retakes and Scoutsman. Now all that's gone. I also spent hundreds of hours playing on community maps with expert bots, since the tiny map pool is CSGO bored me to death (and somehow the sequel has an even smaller map pool; no Agency, Militia, Cobble, Train etc in Casual). Now all those workshop maps are unplayable, and even when I tried to play against bots I couldn't figure out where the bot difficulty button is. I was really looking forward to see what new stuff Valve added and how they improved things. The old tutorial, where you play as a CT getting briefed in a training course was such a cool idea, but although it was fine when the game first launched, CS players have become so good and so many advanced fundamentals have been discovered they really needed to expand on the- oh they just deleted it, and added a 'tutorial' to Dust 2... Maybe this will work for players coming from Valorant, but I don't see how it's very good for anyone completely new to this kind of game. I get it, they're going to keep updating and we should just 'hope' we see all the issues fixed and be patient, but I find that very hard when there's no roadmap or communication of any kind. There are players out there who dedicated themselves to Danger Zone, flying across the map with bump mines and mastering the gamemode; is their favourite mode ever coming back? Who knows? Did anyone know CSGO was a Mac game? That's how I first started playing it years back, since there were no other good shooters for Mac. Now CSGO is straight up deleted; can those Mac users still play their game? CSGO used to be a game that cost money, will any of them get refunded? I've heard very little about this but it's really baffling to me. What about the bhop and surf players? People competed for world records on CSGO surf maps, now CSGO is deleted are those records just locked in forever? Let me be clear, I appreciate the work Valve have put in and, technically speaking, this is a very impressive release. Remaking an entire game in a new engine is no easy feat, and the game feels pretty much exactly the same to me. As for the few changes they've made, refunding guns is great, clearing smokes is genius (although I've died to nades way more now since more people are buying them- this is a much more significant meta change than I think people realise), and the new visuals are beautiful, especially the water effects and the T side molotov; not to mention I can actually see enemies when often I'd get killed by people in dark corners a lot. On the other hand the new loadout system is like one step forward and two steps back. Letting me have both M4's available is great and it's what we've asked for for years, but it's come at the cost of a limited 15 gun pool. The amount of times I've been playing and gone 'I feel like using the Bizon' but I can't since it's not equipped, so I change my loadout; next game 'I feel like using the Negev', but I just swapped it out for the Bizon... The hardcore crowd have screamed a consistent 'but most of the guns suck anyway', which just seems like an excuse to soft-cut content (seriously just add a button to the menu that says 'view other guns', how does less options improve the game?), and even worse, they fail to realise may guns in CSGO were bad because Valve failed to buff and balance them. I have seen tons of discussions regarding the M249 and how to buff it, yet we had no changes; giving you an option to remove it from your loadout isn't a solution, it's a cop-out. I'm also dividded on the volumetric smokes; yes, they're cool, but they're a huge nerf to aggressive play. In CSGO I pushed smokes often, and since the smokes were always the same size you always knew exactly how far you'd be walking until you walked out the other side, while in CS2 the smoke can be longer or smaller depending on how many variables, and pushing through it can have you exiting way sooner or later than you expect. Players will have to adapt to this, and it will take a while. In conclusion, I've seen people compare this to the CSGO launch and how that game sucked at release, but these people fai to realise Valve left the community with options, allowing us to go back and continue playing the previous games. In this case, Valve has straight-up deleted CSGO, and personally I don't think we'd be seeing anywhere near as many complaints if players still had the option to play all the content in CSGO that has now been deleted. It really sucks that a huge part of gaming history has now been erased, and even if Valve intends for all CSGO content to be ported to CS2, we have no communication on how long this may take- hell, even if they gave us a deadline it's safe to say we wouldn't be able to trust it, given the 'summer' release they scheduled here. It's really sad CS2 got rushed out in such a barebones state, but there's nothing any of us can do about. Just got to reinstall Valorant and wait for Valve, I guess.

[@raaaaaaaaaam496]

Not reading all that sorry

[@pine9218]

Removing Csgo to replace cs2 is a big sin,like can't they just make another game? Why remove it, Csgo is already hard to run for most players that have potato Pc and now Cs2 is gonna be unaccessible, they need to think about accessibility aswell.

[@Dupernite]

I think they made that decision to keep the same AppID and be able to keep your skins

[@13H]

CS2 looks good but I don't get people who say that this is a good release. Half of the maps are missing, no unranked competitive, no danger zone, no arms race, no retake, no flying scoutsman, no demolition, their sub tick system has this issue where it forces you to keep walking even when you release the key (while you have 20-30 ping). I won't give up or hate this game, but pretending like this is not an issue, or even pretending like CS:GO was only for competitive and fun / casual modes and maps are not necessary is going to hurt the player base more than anything. Simply put, Valve needed more time to finish CS2, but with a release date set for themselves, they basically bit more than they can chew.

[@N0tiK]

give up. valve will waste your time and your money. id say go pick up apex legends. way more fun than a game designed for chinese communists to invest there entire life savings into skins just so you can get laughed and called a pooron for not wasting your hard earned dollars on pixels xD Counter strike died since CS:S check the statistics! valve is running on a shadow of their former self, dont play there games.

[@KashatsGhost]

7k in css and 3k in csgo here: The Awp just feels awkward now. The zoom and the time for a quickshot feels way worse.

[@yoursuntruli]

Honestly thought it was just my aim (probably is) but the AWP and Scout just feel super weird to use. my 1.6k CSGO hours were extra confused when all my shots seem to go 90 degrees away from the target when the scope was on them for years.

[@Ashraf-Hrira]

what annoy me the most is that they marketed it as a an "upgrade" to CSGO and looking away from the obvious technical problems it doesn't even have half of the content of CSGO they removed all game modes except ranked casual and deathmatch free for all only no team deathmatch anymore too and not even half of maps in CSGO made it in also no steam workshop this is clearly a downgrade no content at all in the game except the one that was in the beta which isn't even a fraction of what CSGO had to offer they should have kept CSGO and allowed access to CS2 beta for everyone and when CS2 got better in the technical aspect and all the content that was in CSGO was ported to CS2 then they replace it not give us this downgraded infuriating barren pretty version of CSGO

[@N0tiK]

Yeah, youd think for 10 years of "working" youd think valve would try to consider the community but, that isnt the case. valve doesnt give a shit about you nor i ahahha

[@Ashraf-Hrira]

valve changed with years the old devs left or retired and was replaced by new ones from our generation and you know exactly how our generation behaves majority of us are lazy entitled and arrogant with basic talent @@N0tiK

[@N0tiK]

Yeah ahaha but thats the point, they dont even look at player opinions. only from a select few like fl0m and all those others that went to valve HQ to test the game. but what they'll do, they'll look at cs:go like it was the counter strike that everyone wanted, which it wasnt. they'll compare themselves to cs:go not the whole progression totality of counter strike, just deliberate backward thinking and stupid glorification, ontop of it all, ive only realised as i get older that the intention is there regardless of who develops their games at the HQ, its just slimy corporate greed@@Ashraf-Hrira

[@slenderface1239]

I was gonna be a dick and say "wow gamers got mad at CoD for releasing the same game again but when Valve does it they celebrate" but now I can't do that because not only are you not celebrating IT'S LITTERALLY JUST A BIG ASS UPDATE

[@Ashraf-Hrira]

I wish it was an update it would have been much better it literally CSGO got replaced with a downgraded broken and lacking in content but pretty looking version of itself CS2 is pretty but that all what it got for itself compare to CSGO CS2 is missing more than the half of the content that was in CSGO and what rub the salt in the wound is that they completely replaced CSGO with this bile of pretty trash

[@gabrielkierulff]

I think calling it “divisive” is an overstatement. For the game is pretty good and I liked the new features including the new spray feeling of the ak. Most of people I talked to in my circle also seemed pretty happy with it

[@Korwt]

Took left hand view model out atm at least and I played it for the past 6 years a big reason I played csgo I am trying to relearn right since it came out by I shouldn’t have too

[@Beyond-Fate]

loved the video, you gained a subscriber

[@satouanimation]

the moment you also realize SFG3 also had same main manu same goes to sfg1 and 2 nothing new

[@wengeance8962]

the only divisive thing about cs2 is this video

[@LuiDeca]

i don't care about cases. i don't care about competitive. i just want to have fun in custom servers with custom maps.

[@gb5cs]

I miss csgo

[@S4GGY]

ngl I think your being very tuff on it at the moment it feels solid to me all though there is a large amount of content that got cut almost and stripped away from csgo workshop maps are a huge bummer and with a little effort from valve cs2 could easily outperform csgo valve has been neglecting csgo throughout the past 7 years or so and there focus has been heavily on dota it feels like so if they are now switching their focus onto cs2 it could have some record breaking numbers including the possibility of a console version it seems strange to think about but with valorant possibly coming to xbox with the whole gamepass ordeal there is a very real possibility in the next 3-5 years

[@Nick-ij5nt]

if they don't fix subtick this game will die, mark my words

[@N0tiK]

valve is trying to kill their game for another upcoming release for "neon prime" i reckon they'll kill hype of there old existing games to pave a new way

[@ursulmusic]

@@N0tiK CS is really big, it makes no sense for them to want to kill it. Did you even think about this before commenting it here? Imagine, working to port CS onto Source 2, even changing some features like the smoke and tick system, just so they can kill CS... Like, what? Just give them some time. With everyone having access to CS2, bugs will be fixed faster, and then there are many of years ahead for lots of content.

[@Nick-ij5nt]

@@N0tiK I don't think they want to kill csgo. Skins literally print free money for Valve.

[@neozyykun]

cs2 has 3 main problems 1. lag compensation being too generous which causes peekers advantage where people see u before u see them 2. optimization fps is unstable is certain situations for example when you shoot an enemy and they shoot back it feels like u lose half ur fps fps is also an issue in dm where u have too many people in same server 3. Inexistence of bob and righthand commands with default bob settings you feel like you're slower and while its a "cosmetic" issue, its still a big deal making people with thousands of hours playing with crap bob settings or using righthand after 10 years left-handed

[@jacobanaspurnama6434]

number 2 is for more immersive experience why else would valve not properly optimise their game am i right?

[@N0tiK]

we waited more than 10 years for basic fixes. valve goes off their own time schedule, no one asked for a full game port, since when did anyone ask for a game port? yeah having the "same game" and porting it to a "better" engine should be a 1-1 comparison, i didnt understand the extra added features that no one asked for. valve only cares about longevity, the longer they wait, the longer its gonna be another 10 years of pretty much nothing and they'll congratulate themselves for all the "work" that we didnt even ask for. valve isnt for the people anymore. @@jacobanaspurnama6434

[@pk1dyer]

Great video, you're going to blow up with content like this.

[@Freelancer837]

What CS2 has, it's perfect. But there's a lot straight up not in this game. Which is a problem because Valve killed the old game to release this one for some reason. I honestly would've been fine if CSGO's servers were shutdown with the release of CS2 if they were separate entries (so long as CS2 released finished), but because they did this, it's going to be so annoying to go back and try and play CSGO on community servers and whatnot like all the old CS games.

[@LKYN9999]

I'm your 100th like bbg

[@kakoolie6947]

Personally I love the new csgo. looks amazing, at least to me feels amazing, and I love the fact I can understand recoil better with the new crosshair setting.

[@C.A._Old]

*i hated that question ruined CSGO. Boycott To Valve Software right now.*

[@omarkraidie]

Just bring back de_canals

[@Show0Me0The0Evidence]

just give me back TDM, AND HELP ME UNDERSTAND HOW I KEEP GETTING KILLED FROM PEOPLE DIRECTLY IN FRONT OF ME THAT I CAN'T EVEN FUCKING SEE. LOL. I don't mind new mechanics but I need to understand them. I was going from top 3 players and every game that I played for almost a decade to bottom of the barrel now. obviously it's not me, and I'm not smart enough to figure out why. just fix the shit lol

[@spazmagoog]

Honestly I think the game is pretty good, but taking away a product that was already bought and paid for and replacing it with something else is a scummy business practice that should never be tolerated, especially when the new game has higher system requirements and no mac support, leaving some unable to play at all any more.

[@coinbongo4694]

I find that removing csgo literally meant that people playing on mac and linux had their paid be replaced with an unplayable version. mac and linux is removed to be in the works from datamining, but currently the game is unplayable for people on mac and linux.

[@gergogamer2005]

you can literaply launch csgo still its not that deep 😭😭😭

[@yeetusnevermind9166]

I get 100fps in csgo and barely 30 in cs2 yes I am a low end user but Evan ppl that use to get 500 are barely getting 180 it's kind of stupid that valve can't make a runnable game. Yes I understand that source 2 comes with new graphics and a new engine but of anything the new engine should make the game run better so it should Evan out but it's not

[@spazmagoog]

@@gergogamer2005 Yes, you can still play by going into the game properties in steam and setting the beta participation to csgo_demo_viewer, but the matchmaking, server browser, and official servers are all dead.

[@robotskum3649]

rdr2 music

[@FriedrichMeier0]

i like cs2

[@CazDesignStudios]

I hate cs2, my 2009 PC can't run it :(

[@xitheindianpooh]

I absolutely hate this new game. They should not have forced us to play this new** by stopping CSGO. This new game feels so ga*ish. Disapponted!

[@tylerpark7403]

CS Source is better

[@N0tiK]

CS1.6 was the absolute bees fucking knees. CSS turned counter strike into a cartoon

[@mitchelldittes2555]

HARD disagree. All the problems ppl have been talking abt were COMPLETELY present in CSGO, but now with the amount of ppl coming back to try the new shiny game, there are definitively more eyes on the game and all the issues it has. There have only been FIXES and GOOD things in CS2, but now servers are more stressed, and ppl who havent played CSGO in years are coming back to critique it once again. Not to mention the vast amount of Valorant players torching the game just due to bias. If you played CSGO enough or recently enough, then you'll KNOW for a FACT that these criticisms arent for CS2, but CSGO originally, theres no new issues.

[@13H]

So lack of maps, game modes and unranked competitive was in CS:GO? Sorry, I don't think I understand you

[@snowballa3526]

i dont like your content

[@JamesTaco]

I dont like your comment

[@snowballa3526]

:(

[@_shadyy]

IT'S GOING TO GET UPDATED BROO ITS NOT RELEASED ON CD OR FLOPPY DISK LIKE 1.6. DO U REMEMBER CSGO AT RELEASE IT WAS THE MOST DISGUSTING THING. STOP CRYING FFS, ITS GONNA GET GRADUALLY UPDATED.

[@D3moGaming]

i think you missing his point what he said about ping and game lag

[@D3moGaming]

it doesn't matter about updates or anything. main problem is optimization, lag and Inexistence of bob and righthand commands (p.s:credit to @neozyykun)

[@Ashraf-Hrira]

they didn't have to remove CSGO this early if the game wasn't even ready what they should have done was giving everyone access to CS2 beta while keeping CSGO and when the game is finished then they replace it with CSGO not take away CSGO and giving us this half baked pile of unfinished trash Valve is turning into the EA release it half baked then fix it later with updates and people like you are the ones who make companies get away with this rubbish scammy behavior

[@SuperMario-64]

been playing csgo since 2018. got cs2 beta day one. it sucked for a long time, but after full release it’s gotten far better, and what i thought would be a hole csgo left turned out to be filled.

[@Ashraf-Hrira]

were you 1st wave access or 2nd wave access? I am a 2nd wave access and from what I seen nothing changed at all they didn't even add any thing close to the content we had in CSGO