How effective is the 6.5 Creedmoor on Deer?

[@deerjonty]

Great to see industry experts working together and providing choice!

[@Daveflem76]

My choice of ammo for my deerpark cull and roe stalking.... And great to see an option for deerstalkers in the training, And teaming up with jelen pws is a good move.

[@CountydeerstalkingCoUk]

Thanks Stephen for your vote of support!

[@Siritos]

Beautiful rifle, Peter! Quintessential for your Roe Buck stalking in the rut.

[@CountydeerstalkingCoUk]

Agreed! Thanks for watching.

[@paulking8055]

Nice to see that you've caught up and got a 6.5cm !!

[@CountydeerstalkingCoUk]

Got there at last!

[@janismekss]

Nice work !! Thanks a mill. As always, it's all about point of impact.

[@gonzo_the_great1675]

The availability of ammo in the UK has always been the overriding consideration for me. Most gun shops I've been to, the offerings are pretty limited. You are lucky if they have more than one hunting round offering in even the most popular calibres, such as 308, 270 or 243.

[@CountydeerstalkingCoUk]

I think it's getting better for the 6.5 Creedmoor, as demand increases. But no doubt some shops will be lagging.

[@TroyTownsend-k5j]

I''ve been shooting 130 grains between 1800 and 1820 muzzle velocities out of my 6.5 Creedmoor to keep my barrel pressures even, unfortunately I did not consider penetration, or a exit wound, my hunting unit is in the high desert where stalking up close to deer takes more skill then in the woodlands, however, a bow hunter author here in the U.S.A , Dwight Schuh, did it all the time, unfortunately he has passed, So instead of switching to 140 grains and messing up my barrel pressures( I don't load and not sure if I can find 140 grain with 2800+ M.V, before this hunting season starts} I will have to learn to stalk up close to deer like a bow hunter and introduce copper bullets into my hunting plans. I am sure that it is possible to kill deer at long ranges with 130 grain, but as you shared the odds favor the heavier bullet. So I think I will play the odds.and stalk up close to my prey this hunting season. Thanks for the info.

[@CountydeerstalkingCoUk]

Thanks for your comment and thoughts.

[@kevsmu]

Lovely rifle Peter !

[@ZacharyNWare]

I’d like to know how the 6.5 Creed. has held up. In my experience of hunting North American game the 6.5 leaves much to be desired. I’ve tried every American manufactures loading for the cartridge and have two conclusions. 1) the projectile does not expand and penetrates completely with out causing any damage; 2) that the projectile overly expands essentially becoming a frag grenade with no penetration. I’ve shot at what is considered practical hunting distances here, 400 yards and in. The 6.5 Creed was developed as a long range round, however 850 yards seems to be the maximum effective range for the cartridge. I would never advocate for hunting past 400 yards but long range competition shooting and plinking seem to be the 6.5 Creeds home.

[@CountydeerstalkingCoUk]

Thanks for your contribution, its great to hear from you. So far so good for me, I remain quite impressed however, after less than a year, the jury is still out.

[@kris308100]

Hi Peter, many thanks again for a very informative video. I too am going down the same route as you. I want a light weight single shot rifle for stalking and taking one off animals in cull situations. All of my other rifles are heavy barreled and really only suitable for high seat and vehicle shooting. I decided to go down a different route with my selection of rifle and calibre than your self. I have gone for a Uberti 1885 single shot falling block under lever 'Courtney' hunter. No moderator to cut down on weight and it will be scoped with a Meopta Meostar 1x6x24 scope. The calibre is .303 British which is still more than capable of doing the job. I will be home loading this cartridge with 150 grain Hornady Spire points and 174 grain round nose. If I were to look at the 6.5mm calibre my choice would have been the 6.5x55 Swedish. This cartridge can be loaded to higher velocities than the Creedmore (it has a bigger case capacity) therefore producing better results I feel with the heavier bullets. The reason I mention heavier bullets is because a lot of people now have this obsession with fast and flat trajectories. Attention needs to be taken here as fast and light can cause issues when dropping deer. If the bullet selection is too light and too fast it will explode on entry, not causing the necessary terminal ballistics to drop the animal. Many have made this mistake shooting the .270 Winchester. They use the 130 grain bullet and have seen deer run off never to be found. That's because its too light and fast for calibre. The 150 grain in the .270 is the one to use. Bullet drop in my opinion here is not an issue as we are stalking are we not?. Shooting deer at long ranges (250-300+ yards) are not stalking in my opinion. If we are Woodland stalking you probably wont be taking many shots more than 100 yards. I would also be a little cautious on how that 6.5 Creedmore load would perform on large Reds?. You might struggle to achieve the ballistics required for humaine kills?. That's why I like the .303. Its ballistics are very similar to a .308 and being a rimmed case it makes it fantastic in a single shot rifle. There isn't much on the planet that hasn't been taken with a .303. Thank you for the information also regarding Mike Allision and the new optional stalking certification options. This is something I will have a look at. Keep your videos coming please they are very interesting and informative.

[@CountydeerstalkingCoUk]

Thanks very much for your informed comment. You have certainly gone for an unusual set up! I have to say that after all these years stalking and having shot hundreds of deer, I am still unable to come to any firm conclusions about velocity, bullet weight and 'knock down' power. I wonder if I ever will!

[@kris308100]

I think it's a combination of bullet weight, speed at impact and the size of the animal your penetrating. Obviously the range you hit the target at varies the speed figure as its different every time. Bullet construction and sectional density are also factors. For example a partition bullet will expand differently to a ballistic tip. Each bullet type has an optimal speed range that ensures best expansion. Then there's the subject of what the bullet strikes. Bones, organ types etc.

[@Srriflery9681]

Nice video Peter but I have a constructive comment that relates to shot placement. Using the back of the forelimb as a reference places the bullet through both lungs very close to the diaphragm on a broadside deer which 11:02 significantly increases the chance of perforating the rumen and contaminating the carcass with gut contents which by rights means that it is unfit for consumption. If the aiming point is brought forward to the centre line of the forelimb the bullet will pass through the triceps muscle, rib cage, lung and top of the heart before exiting through the off side lung and rib cage. This does not involve hitting bone other than the ribs and tends to drop deer much faster than you showed on the videos. The only downside side is losing perhaps a small handful of triceps muscle meat. I believe the Kiwis call this the hilar shot.

[@CountydeerstalkingCoUk]

@@Srriflery9681 nice comment, well made. I wouldn't argue with you on that.

[@JP-rv6hg]

Very jealous of that K95 Peter! Unfortunately it doesn't come in Left Handed!

[@CountydeerstalkingCoUk]

Really? I had no idea. I bought mine from Dan at Braces in Bristol, might be worth checking that with him.

[@erichuntter2437]

That is a very nice set-up 😃👌... i ues a Brno combination 222-12g , sako 50gr that's my kinda single shoot ,, but my main work house is a Tikka T3X Roughtech in 243 , 75gr V-Max Norma and a meopta scope

[@CountydeerstalkingCoUk]

You are never going to go far wrong with a Tikka T3. It's an accurate, reliable rifle with a good reputation.

[@tommyroberts867]

That depends on what distance you have your scope sighted in. I like having my my scope set at 200 yards.

[@CountydeerstalkingCoUk]

Agreed, or 1 inch high at 100 is popular.

[@anthonymurphy2540]

Love the rifle!!!

[@CountydeerstalkingCoUk]

Thanks Anthony! I have to say I absolutely love it.

[@CallumHepworth-Smith]

What does the PDS provide that the DSC doesnt? What is the difference? Why should i choose the PDS over the DSC... i have heard the FC dont recognise the PDS is this true? Are there any other certs available for stalking?

[@CountydeerstalkingCoUk]

Thanks for your question Callum. I'll be as succinct as I can. Both the PDS1 and DSC1 are excellent courses and are widely recognised as the two main UK courses for those interested in taking a deer stalking qualification. They are broadly equivalent in terms of content and syllabus, however, there are a few important differences. Firstly, the PDS1 is externally accredited by LANTRA & UKRS, whilst the DSC1 has no external accreditation. On the flip side, the DSC1 has been running for longer. Secondly, whilst the DSC1 does NOT qualify you as a 'Trained hunter' the PDS1 does, as it comes with a 'Large Game Meat Hygiene Course' that is recognised by the FSA. As I say, both are excellent courses, it is simply about providing the consumer with choice. Hope that answers your question.

[@jamessparrow6549]

Ad like to see what 270 would be like

[@CountydeerstalkingCoUk]

Undoubtedly another great calibre. Thanks for watching.

[@briansolomon6153]

its NOT A WEAPON ITS A HUNTING RIFLE

[@shartman170]

Hunting rifles by nature are weapons.

[@mash3519]

Cheers bud

[@CountydeerstalkingCoUk]

Brian, you have to allow for some variety in my vocabulary, the films will be pretty tedious if I only use defined regimented language. At any rate, thanks for watching.

[@briansolomon6153]

@@CountydeerstalkingCoUk the way things are with firearms liecencing its better not to use terms like weapon not 1 fac holder in the uk owns a weapon and in your position i think you should set a better example by the way a fully agree wth you last vids about deer stalking

[@shartman170]

As someone from the US what's the problem with having a weapon? Knives and firearms are weapons by nature so what's the culture issue of calling a hunting rifle a weapon?@@briansolomon6153

[@wimjacquemyn4906]

Got 12.000...get one

[@ozlarmtb8006]

Your just encouraging longer shots

[@CountydeerstalkingCoUk]

I have always maintained that I think all deer stalkers should know how to dispatch deer out to 300 yards. That is not to say that I am encouraging shots at 300 yards, but we don't always get it right, and if an injured deer or a dependent follower is making off, you should have the ability to dispatch it at extended ranges. Thanks for watching.