Cover ups: Popes and Cardinals

[@BrummyCath]

They will never learn, not in this papacy

[@navy7633]

Thank you, Dr. Ashenden. You are spot on. Please continue to speak the truth. Viva Christo Rey! Ave Maria!

[@gerrymccarthy9568]

Thank you Gavin, from formally Catholic Ireland. It’s not Pope Francis’ Church. The Lord Jesus, who is our Founder is in Charge. Let’s trust in Him.

[@56247]

I still think they should be held accountable- make our voices heard!

[@aseeker2109]

Thank you this post. Sexual sin leads to spiritual death. One can only wonder at the state of the spirtual life of those who in the hierarchy who do not practice sexual purity and support and condone those who openly embrace sexual impurity. At Fatima Our Lady said to St Jacinta, "most soul go to Hell because of sins of the flesh". Our Lady also said to St Jacinta, " people go to Hell because there is no one to make sacrifice and to pray for them". Let us make sacrifice and pray for the Church and the salvation of souls... 🙏🙏🙏

[@HarryFlashmanVC]

Thank you for speaking up Gavin. I hope there is no cost to you for doing so.

[@josephcallan3430]

Truth/integrity would matter more to Gavin than cost. He's a great, inspiring Catholic, along with Catherine and Mark!

[@michaelkeane8508]

You are a good Catholic and a good man

[@clareg845]

totally agree

[@steved7961]

As in all dictatorships, loyalty to the chief is the most important criteria for promotion.

[@royquick-s5n]

There seems to be truth in what you say from the way that the Church is organized. Definitely top down. 🙂

[@jyseoh]

Monarchy as Father Doyle said.

[@valwhelan3533]

Gavin - boldly speaking truth.

[@groblerful]

Right on the button

[@terrywilson8271]

Thank you Gavin. Once again you are speaking the truth where you see the need. We need more like you outside the church. And especially inside the church. All these scandals are like you said, very corrosive. What example are they giving to the rest of the clergy and to us! We were warned that the enemy will be found in many places and at all levels. Inside and out side our beloved church. Lord help us to be true to You throughout our lives. 🙏🙏🙏🙏

[@Paddy_Roche]

Thank you Dr. Ashenden, I pray this post finds a huge audience. The time has come for the Church elders to drop to their knees, repent and beg Christ for forgiveness.

[@revelation12_1]

That day is surely coming.

[@lightinlondon8168]

The inimitable, indomitable Gavin. Thank you.

[@JohnR.T.B.]

The Pope, the Bishops, all the clergy and our religious really need our constant prayers and indeed at times, fraternal correction. Your voice Dr. Ashenden speaks for the many lay Catholics. Thank you.

[@vernsnith2230]

I feel that the new spiritual leader for Washington, D.C, is the worst appointment that the Holy Father could ever have made as the new spiritual leader has a terrible record of speaking ill of President Trump as well as having views that are opposite of many Catholics who deeply love and cherish their Catholic faith. A terrible situation in every way.

[@StFrancis62]

Thank you for commenting on this appointment Gavin. It truly breaks my heart. Lord Jesus, please send the Holy Spirit to the hierarchy in our Church and make them turn back to the Orthodox teachings of our faith. 🙏🙏🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇮🇪🏴󠁧󠁢󠁳󠁣󠁴󠁿🇮🇪

[@suzannewhite758]

EXCELLENT!!! THANK YOU. I just now see Trump halted US fed govt $$ to Catholic Charities✅ 😊🙏🙌🙏

[@kevinkelly2162]

Kind of logical when you see the billions the catholic church has had to pay out to victims of Fr O'Feely. You don't see the government paying out to Mafia charities.

[@donaldlippert6374]

The tone-deafness of Rome shown in the Washington appointment may pit the new Archbishop not only against Trump but also against a multitude of Catholics who endorse many of his policies (well in keeping with perennial Catholic principles). Thank you Dr Ashenden and Catholic Unscripted.🙏

[@Tracy77751]

YES it Will…!!! 🔥🔥🔥

[@JACKDAWFISH]

They're not tone-deaf, they want to destroy the west. Actually, they are demonstrably not even Christian.

[@Holly-x9t]

Thank you!!! From Canada

[@tonysaid6184]

"The Lord loves those that hate evil. He guards the lives of Hs faithful ones: from the hand of the wicked he delivers them." "For judgement shall again be with justice; and all the upright of heart shll follow it." -Psalms

[@harrietl2869]

Thanks Gavin God bless you ❤❤❤❤

[@jameswall6270]

We want to love our Holy Father and be proud of our church. It's wrenching

[@56247]

Love is desiring the good of the other- so we must pray for his conversion and the salvation of his soul!

[@vadec5909]

So well spoked Dr Ashenden!

[@marcelw6045]

Bergoglio is a Befouler of the Faith; he will not rest until he makes the “mess” he enjoined the youth to make at the beginning of his pontificate.

[@bondjamesbondsandiego0075]

As a resident of the San Diego diocese the Cardinal disgust me. Happy to see him go! Frances is equally as disgusting to elevate him to such an important position for crass political reasoning! I pray we get A Pope ‘Tump’!

[@fergusoduffy9430]

Thank you, Gavin. You are completely correct and it is so dark, especially re victims of abuse at the hands of clerics.

[@theshaddocks5605]

Well said. 😊

[@teddyc2012]

Well said!

[@owensclock]

Sexual abuse? Wink wink nod nod, "oh we've taken care of that, Next question?" Thank you Dr. Ashenden. When WILL they learn?.

[@jimmidgley861]

Amen

[@CurrabegOb]

Thank you, Gavin for articulating what we all know are we are being played for fools… please start the campaign for every diocese in Great Britain and Ireland.. make a list of how many of their priests have been jailed over the last 60 years.. and then let us know how much money has been spent in compensation for the poor people that have been abused.. for the arch Bishop of Westminster.. along with every Bishop to publicly apologise to every Catholic for the way they have acted in the past 60 years.. at least then we may have a small slither of credibility thank you again Gavin

[@revelation12_1]

Remember that the church has no money except what the laity give to it.

[@royquick-s5n]

I think some have determined from $4 to $5 billion have been paid out by the Catholic Church in the U.S. alone. And from where does the money come?

[@plantsnrockies]

The clergy today are not just blind but antigospel & want to push it on to the faithful. They are responsible for every problem in the church. They have to repent.

[@Tracy77751]

Yeap…!!! 🔥🔥🔥

[@royquick-s5n]

The Gospel is heard at Mass, from the reading of it and from many clergy who still preach it. I would think many clergy are caught up in what has been happening just as the laity. Think for a moment, who support the clergy? It is problematical how to deal with the bad apples, especially when they are the top.

[@ransomcoates546]

A cardinal who does not know how a biretta is worn. The picture of him in the thumbnail is worthy of Monty Python.

[@mrbaker7443]

Smite the like button!

[@carlasoto6760]

Amen amen amen 🙏

[@philiphumphrey1548]

From my own experience, I get the definite impression that too many bishops pay lip service to safeguarding, health and safety etc. but somehow don't regard the safety of their parishioners and priests as their own personal responsibility. They are all too willing to delegate the task to experts, often from outside the Church. But the experts need the man at the top to be actively on board and driving the program in order to do their jobs I know this from my own past experience in health and safety in industry, if the management are indifferent, that's very little you can do to improve things.

[@royquick-s5n]

Figure, regardless, whether an abuse case is immoral, both clergy and laity of a parish or a diocese are going to be concerned about liability. That concern, I suggest, has been behind cover-ups, other than the guilty trying to cover their tracks.

[@AlasPoorEngland]

If a pope publicly speaking Ex Cathedra introduces heresy, there is a case for forcing his removal. What about criminality? Isn’t setting a wicked example and protecting evil as bad?

[@Deathbytroll]

If the Pope were to speak heresy Ex Cathedra it would falsify Catholicism. Him being “removed” isn’t official teaching it’s just speculation.

[@royquick-s5n]

If I am not mistaken, one of the things about declaring a docrtine to be infallible ex cathedra is that it has been believed in the Church beforehand. Also, it would seem, the doctrine would not conflict with pre-existing moral beliefs. You do raise the question, if a pope went off on the deep end, how would it be dealt with? I suppose some think the cardinals, enough of them, would act. In history there has been intervention of monarchies and convoking of councils. Sometimes multiple papacies resulted.

[@AlasPoorEngland]

@ Well, there are those who think the papal throne has been vacant since 1958 and I’ve come across a bloke who argues that it’s been unoccupied since some time about 1250 - can’t remember which pope he picked as the one who dethroned himself! All who accepted the baddie automatically fell out of the church themselves … the old Catholic Encyclopaedia has an article, I think under MENHORTER or something similar,which reports on a group that dethroned some pope about 1813 for being too lenient on some matter in continental politics … this is all based on memory as I can’t access the relevant sources … many sedevacantists today hold Pius XII to be the last true pope … apparently you don’t need a declaration to deny someone to be the Pope, you just use logic to help you decide the matter, and then withdraw allegiance … I don’t know how many papal claimants there are today, perhaps more than a dozen … it’s all very weird!

[@MegaESSBEE]

Matthew 7: 15-20

[@tonysaid6184]

It is no surprise that these men do nothing about this horrendous series of crimes. "Birds of a feather flock together" Crimes against the Faith - heretical depravity - are much worse - in a different category altogether; and those who commit them automatically lose their office and all jurisdiction. Why? because a heretic is not a Catholic - a non-Catholic, a man who is not a member of The Church, cannot hold any office in the Church. To say that such a person can remain the pope is to be guilty of heresy against the dogma of the Indefectibility of the Papacy and the Roman Pontiff. +

[@johnjoyce1958]

The devil doesn't care how he destroys The Church! he has his agents in every place now to do just that, and he thinks his ultimate goal is now achievable. he forgets one thing though, he has already lost everything and those that support his agendas will follow suit to join him. 🙏

[@agricolaregs]

I just can’t come back to the Church as it is. I promised my father I’d baptize my son. I guess I will have to get him baptized by the Greeks priests.

[@56247]

You are choosing to flee rather than work with Christ and defend His Bride, the Church; incidentally, exactly what all the cowards who are fleeing their countries rather than work for the common good and enter the U.S illegally. Man up!

[@royquick-s5n]

What may done about it is frustrating. 🙂

[@56247]

@@royquick-s5n BOYCOTT the USCCB and all it's activities and requests for money; letter writing campaign demanding transparency in finances and church activities

[@alicepavey974]

Because obviously there is zero abuse and no cover-ups elsewhere.

[@56247]

@@royquick-s5n Let our voices be heard: boycott all USCCB initiatives and make our voices heard by a letter writing campaign which is supported by Catholic doctrine stating countries have not only a right but a DUTY to protect its citizens and its borders! The Vatican has done just that!

[@nzr4699]

in the thumbnail, the cardinal has his biretta on incorrectly 😆

[@DrGAshenden]

😮

[@user-fc1ld9ts8u]

Bishop Athanasius Schneider once said that Pope Francis is a cross that we have to bear.

[@valwhelan3533]

Speaking of cover-ups, the role of Vigano in the protection/promotion of McCarrick has not received enough public attention. There are those who see Vigano as some sort of victim/hero in some catholic spheres.

[@BronxCat]

Yep!

[@revelation12_1]

We can all decide for ourselves. He calls out the Pharisees in the church. And IF he had any hand at any point he had surely repented of it by returning to orthodoxy and realizing that the false conciliar church is the ape of the church.

[@nildarodriguez3974]

Yes, we have all said and done things we've repented and wished we hadn't done.

[@EvangeliseGood]

Your talk of repentance and responsibility will never be heard by those who have shunned truth, sought the cloak of power and divested themselves of their souls.

[@Gigi-ww8ke]

Unfortunately John Paul II in 1983 changed the Code of Canon Law for sins against the sixth commandment be punished by suspension, and that further penalties can gradually be added including dismissal. The 1917 Code had harsher penalties including suspension, publicly declared as having committed sexual misconduct, and deprived of any office, pension, dignity and function if they have any, and in graver cases, dismissed from the clerical state.

[@stephenkeay1868]

C.S. Lewis said of Jesus that he was either mad, bad or he was telling the truth. Those three states, mad, bad or telling the truth should be matched to each priest, bishop, pope and politician so that one can see clearly where they stand.

[@Cjc-05]

Pour un chrétien la seule vérité est celle de l'évangile.. Le reste n'est que du blabla..

[@johntaylor4707]

Maybe he's exercises his infallibility.

[@jeanettegibbs9148]

I’m so sick of this popes reign,I really think Pope Benedict was ousted because of his straight character,(wasn’t he known as the bulldog of the church) This Pope is going to finish our church,I wonder if his being Pope is really the devils reign foretold to us????

[@marcokite]

There is nothing 'strange' or 'odd' here, no surprise! This is the Roman Catholic Church! John-Paul II 'the mediocre' made some really dreadful appointments and winked at some dodgy people. Leave pope Francis alone - he's the greatest living apologist for Holy Orthodoxy! ☦☦☦☦☦☦☦

[@melarrow6202]

Yes. I’m with Francis.

[@royquick-s5n]

What has been happening, raises thought from those who do not like it, what can be done about it. The pope is elected by a little over one hundred cardinals appointed by prior popes, to which he has added his own appointees. All of the bishops are appointees as well. It is surpising what disagreement does emerge from councils and synods made of those appointees. All, though, is subject to approval of the pope. It would seem the only thing that would bring change is open disagreement that all has gone right by majority or plurality of those appointees, which seems remote. A pope still could carry on with minority allegiance anyway. It seems some (many?) are placing hope that the voting cardinals will select a successor more to their liking. What is the probability that will happen from voting cardinals who elected the pope being replaced and to whom the pope being replaced has added appointees of his liking?

[@56247]

The issue is not to get a Pope more to our liking; rather a true Shepherd that teaches and promotes the Catholic faith. To that end, we must pray for the Holy Spirit's guidance.

[@royquick-s5n]

@@56247 That raises by what measure and by whom is it determined any pope is "a true Shepherd and promotes the Catholic faith"? Obviously it is known in heaven, but there are not, to my knowlege, any telephone lines or wireless connections with heaven. Jesus has left us his teachings and example, though.

[@gerrytyrrell1507]

Dr Ashenden didn't Francis know paulo Freire.....Ireland

[@severianmonk7394]

I can believe yhat Bergoglio has stryrd into persistent serious sin and promotes it on others. That is not hard. What is terribly difficult to believe is how colossally stupid and incompetent he is.

[@BenjaminHall-yt6kk]

Pope Francis can't last long. We must pray for his soul and for a good successor to the Papacy - definitely NOT a Francis II!

[@Kate-d7t]

I don’t believe at all that homosexuality means predation or child attraction is more likely, but I do wonder if Francis’s own sexuality informs his supporting of these priests….

[@DrGAshenden]

There has been a huge media campaign to quash any suggestion that gay men are less restrained than the straight men and matters of sexual practice. The evidence suggests that this media campaign doesn’t serve the truth.

[@MrHhill2001]

Omg. I thought the catholic default was conservative. But I’m seeing it now

[@navarrenavarre]

Progressive thought that is conservative and based in tradition is not an oxymoron nor heterodox. It's what saved the Catholic Church in the form of the new wave of the Latin Mass. Without using sociological and political categories we are liberated by simply being what we have been since Trent.

[@56247]

??? Look at Chicago, NYC, MN, CT and California- blue states with a huge 'Catholic' population.

[@royquick-s5n]

It may also be the case of two wrongs not making a right. 🤔

[@marcokite]

You're thinking of the Holy Orthodox Church ☦☦☦

[@marcokite]

@@navarrenavarre - We Orthodox are liberated by what we have been for 2,000 years. ☦☦☦

[@linenonthehedgerow741]

If the priests had been formed in the three stages of the spiritual life in seminary, then there would have not been an abuse crisis. A Bishop should be in the unitive stage and a priest should be in the illuminative stage. Fr. Aidan Nichols and John Paul II also also called for this teaching to be spread throughout the Church... kzbin.info/www/bejne/r3XUaGCqbJ6Gga8&ab_channel=AscentofMantoGod

[@paulthomasshepherd5156]

Why do we need any religious order as a middle-man to Jesus? That's the bottom line!

[@DrGAshenden]

We don’t need anybody as a middleman to Jesus- but like the paralytic being let down to be healed we often need friends in prayer

[@navarrenavarre]

If the Church truely wants Synodality it will hear this with the same sense of love, charity and prudence that it is communicated and intended here.

[@royquick-s5n]

I think some have the impression that synodal participants are elected representatives of the Church. No, they are appointed. It is similar to what is called in secular government a rubber stamp parliament or legislature. 🤔

[@royquick-s5n]

Consider of what a synod consists, appointees, clerical or lay. I think some think of a synod consisting of elected representatives. Is the idea that there could be elected representatives anti-Catholic? I understand that in the Early Church bishops were elected by clergy and laity. Nation conferences or councils of bishops may vote on issues, but, subject to Vatican approval. The bishops, too, are appointees.

[@YolBasDa]

There’s a lot of trouble in the Catholic Church because you people are putting all your hopes and trust in a man the pope and the bishops to be your guide, which is wrong. The Holy Spirit is a guide for all who want to really do God’s will by doing what His word says in the bible, with the help of the Holy Spirit. The more the Catholics and all who call themselves Christian’s read and obey God’s word and do what it says, and not do what man says, to pray the rosary etc. God will be pleased.