COVID Vaccine Myths, Questions, and Rumors with Rhonda Patrick and Roger Seheult

Dr. Patrick joins MedCram to discuss COVID 19 vaccines, spike protein, ivermectin, VAERS, breakthrough Infections, antibody dependent enhancement, fertility, delta variant, myocarditis, fluvoxamine, optimizing immunity, and more.
Dr. Rhonda Patrick is a cell biologist with a Ph.D. in biomedical science from the University of Tennessee Health Science Center and St. Jude Children's Research Hospital. Dr. Patrick is the Co-Founder of FoundMyFitness.com. Subscribe to Dr. Patrick's KZbin channel here: kzbin.info...
Roger Seheult, MD is the co-founder and lead professor at www.medcram.com/?Y...
He is an Associate Professor at the University of California, Riverside School of Medicine and Assistant Professor at Loma Linda University School of Medicine.
Dr. Seheult is Quadruple Board Certified: Internal Medicine, Pulmonary Disease, Critical Care, and Sleep Medicine.
Interviewer: Kyle Allred, Physician Assistant, Producer, and Co-Founder of MedCram.com
This conversation was recorded September 9, 2021
Topics covered:
00:00:00 - Introducing Dr. Rhonda Patrick and Dr. Seheult
00:01:20 - Should young and healthy get vaccinated?
00:06:47 - Risk of myocarditis
00:10:40 - Long-haul COVID
00:19:58 - Is spike protein from vaccines dangerous?
00:35:39 - COVID-19 Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS)
01:01:17 - Antibody dependent enhancement?
01:09:16 - Do COVID vaccines damage fertility?
01:14:13 - Will mRNA vaccines alter DNA?
01:22:32 - Are alternatives like ivermectin as effective as the vaccine?
01:42:02 - Do vaccines prevent Delta transmission?
01:56:04 - Will the virus become more deadly due to vaccines?
02:05:07 - T-cell immunity
02:08:34 - Long term side effects / were vaccines rushed?
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[@andrejeffries5838]

Thank the Lord for Dr Peter McCullough

[@anonymoussource3664]

Please consider revisiting this conversation a year later!!

[@IrishMags100]

What about all the sudden deaths of athletes and young healthy people.

[@pietercastelein2568]

They were pretty wrong

[@chelseawalther8330]

It has been a year. Would you consider creating an update on this discussion?

[@renejarvis5724]

My 42 year old Son was admitted to hospital Feb/2021 for low oxygen, spent a week in ICU, tested negative for COVID, under went many tests. Two months later was put on life support, treated for pneumonia, negative covid, sent to cardiology for treatment and more testing. Aug/21 hospitalized, on ventilator for lack of oxygen, again treated for pneumonia, negative for covid. Upon release was denied oxygen for home for lack of affordability. He had received two Pyzer covid shots, one in Mar/21 and second May21. He passed away Dec21, told that autopsy didn't show covid

[@soniablair6266]

great info. but could you please explain why individuals with natural immunity still need to be vaccinated?

[@dhucke4assembly]

Whatever happened to "herd immunity" ? That's never discussed anymore.

[@WLNS4Life]

I'd like to hear an update 1 year later on the scientific literature sited on this podcast

[@deenobrown1]

What are your thoughts on natural immunity?

[@stilldancing5269]

I experienced several AEs listed on the Pfizer documents (which a judge forced them to share). Whatever happened to informed consent? Had I known of the risks, I would not have gotten the shots. I was healthy, on no prescription meds prior to the shots. My guess is those who are v-injured are under reported because MDs are not reporting to VAERs and/or encouraged not to do so.

[@dawnjack8332]

Hello! I am one of the few unfortunate people who has had serious adverse effects from the Moderna Covid vaccine. Most of them are neurological in nature now. Prior to the vaccine I had no health issues. I have been trying to get medical care for 10 weeks and the medical community just looks at me blankly. Can you direct me to any resources that could help?

[@jchill2095]

My father was diagnosed with stage 4 colon cancer in February of 2021, they immediately tried to push the jab on him, I explained it like I was talking to a child because dad has brain damage from a stroke, I talked him out of taking that shit all together and I guarantee if I hadn't dad wouldn't be alive still today, and they had also gave him 6 months to live

[@TejaJaensch]

Thank you for your video! I have a medical ethics question. Here in Australia I know that if I go to two doctors, I will get the same statement regarding the vaccine. This statement is written by the government. If the doctor feels differently to the statement, they're not allowed to voice it. If they were to, they face de-registration, fines and jail time. While the two doctors may agree with the statement initially, after the 8th booster, one of these doctors may have some concerns, yet still they wouldn't be able to raise these concerns. Thus I know that there's no possibility of obtaining a second opinion. So, what then is the point of the doctors expertise and experience?

[@elliskaranikolaou2550]

This discussion has not aged well.

[@TealJadeTurquoise1]

Doctors with varied insights and experiences should discuss the data, not just those who are likeminded. Is that allowed? And why has that not happened?

[@bonhoeffer1886]

I would like to see an interview with Dr Seheult and Dr Robert Malone. Both of you have differing opinions on each of the topics covered in this video. And it would be good to hear both sides in one interview. It seems both of you are looking at the same data and reaching different conclusions.

[@dorianmg277]

I think it would be prudent for the two authors to set a podcast with the team from FLCCC - dr pierre Kory etc and discuss ivermectin - so bring it forward.

[@vikinorman317]

My understanding is that the CDC included partially vaccinated and those who are not 15 days out from second vaccine. So because partially vaccinated persons are included in the “unvaccinated” numbers we do not know how many are having a reaction to the vaccine?

[@blackcast2613]

I'm so very curious to see how well this aged.

[@jimj3936]

Fascinating discussion. Unless I missed it though, really missed the ball in not discussing natural immunity, especially with recent studies that have been released.

[@begelston]

What about Regeneron monoclonal antibodies? Dr. Razonable with Mayo recently published a study showing a 70% reduction in hospitalization when used early (within 5-7 days of infection). Very significant finding. Also, what about the Novavax vaccine? - many are interested in it because of its non human cell, more traditional technology approach. Please comment on both - Thanks for a great presentation!

[@michaeld1980]

I wish you would of talked about monoclonal antibodies it should of been a big part of this discussion.

[@leroylarson6880]

Can you do a episode about adverse reactions/deaths due to the vaccine and if hospitals are reporting properly or at all to VAERS; or a debate with Dr's with differing opinions

[@Sharonvg68]

I would love to see a debate between doctors/scientists who are pro-vax as a solution vs doctors/scientists who are pro-therapeutics as a treatment for the virus.

[@jeanniebauer2431]

have you looked at any information from Geert Vander Boesh? Thoughts on his assertion that we have never started a vaccine program in midst of a pandemic? He has some frightening possibilities theorized. He is most certainly not anti-vaccine.

[@megg7558]

I just had covid last week and I beat it. I am 56 years old overweight and not vaccinated.

[@guygrotke8059]

People are totally fixated on antibodies, but the plain fact is when the infection came around the first time, nobody had any antibodies! All of those people who defeated the virus and got better (or had asymptomatic infections) did it without any antibodies. Antibody production takes a few weeks minimum, and most people's Killer T-cells and other innate immunity components had already "killed" most of the virus before antibodies showed up. Antibodies are just another slice of the Swiss cheese that can prevent reinfection. But your activated memory T and B cells are the real long-lasting protection.

[@js4325]

So the young are being hospitalized with Delta, how many were vaccinated?

[@TenaciousH44]

Would it be possible to do a video addressing the concerns of Geert Vanden Bossche? His predictions about the course this pandemic would take have so far been correct.

[@NeurodiverJENNt]

I love how everyone wants to say correlation does not equal causation for side effects and deaths from the vaccine but do not extend the same reasoning to covid itself

[@richarddickson7522]

I have a lot of respect for Rhonda Patrick. However her comment at 59 minutes that we would know if the vaccine was dangerous is quite frankly ignorant. Short-term it appears generally safe; long-term though unestablished. That's a more appropriate professional commentary.

[@oanagody1]

Dear Dr. Seheult and Medcram, thank you for keeping your professional integrity in your handling the issue of ivermectin. That's exactly it - we should not dismiss and ridicule a treatment. We need everything - vaccines, masks, vitamins, repurposed drugs. As a researcher myself, I am reassured to still find spaces of integrity and open-mindedness in this pandemic mess. Keep up the good work.

[@bolivarnj]

THANK YOU SO MUCH! I don't have a degree in anything and there is so much conflicting information in the media. Thank you for not belittling people's fears and genuine concerns. The biggest obsticle is lack of trust in public institutions, adequate communication, and the politisization of the issue. I would mandate this video more than masks or the vaccine. Once ignorance is conquered the rest is easy.

[@Medcram]

Thanks so much for your kind feedback

[@carolehoward444]

Is there any consideration for updating to include discussion of studies that refute much of what they discount as not possible?

[@saidkhleif7659]

I appreciate your expertise but plz don’t categorise unvaccinated people as misinformed or as conspiracy theorists . Thanks

[@FriendlyBikerGuy]

Additional concern is how much can data from the companies making billions off vaccines be trusted?

[@bobbc8097]

I would echo a previous question...How do the studies comparing previously infected Covid patients (unvaccinated) and those who are vaccinated, and the Delta infection course of illness/ hospitalization and mortality?

[@NeurodiverJENNt]

I do appreciate the hosts commentary that they want to give the people the information so that they can make a decision and that they are not for forced vaccinations. It would be great if we had handled it that way and given people the information and allowed them to make that informed decision from the beginning, instead of politicizing this... There is so much fear mongering and division that people don't even want to hear information from the other side.

[@AnnaMishel]

9 months later . . . Have the same discussion.

[@brucebornfleth4883]

How do you respond to the Cleveland Clinic study showing higher incidence of COVID-19 cases with higher number of COVID-19 vaccinations, i.e. the unvacinnated had the least number of cases. Do you believe this phenomena may be related to ADE from vaccinations?

[@beinganddoing2123]

Thank you for being sensitive and informative. My daughter was badly injured by Bexero. She lost her senior year of high school and her dreams of a high jump scholarship. Four years later, there are still repercussions. We are obviously hesitant and distrustful. People can be very cruel and thoughtless to people with vaccine injuries. She recently lost her dream job, because she wouldn't get a Covid shot.

[@FriendlyBikerGuy]

What proof is there that VAERS data and CDC data isn't being manipulated? This is sincere concern to me.

[@olyastryk1770]

Great discussion. However, on question of alternatives no mentioning of monoclonal antibody treatment and just a couple of minutes on how being healthy (diet, exercise, sleep, stress management, supplementation) can make significant difference in your chance of being hospitalized and dying from COVID-19, vaccinated or not. Also when discussed fertility they only discussed miscarriages. No word on how vaccines might affect your ability to get pregnant, especially long term (if we want to vaccinate children).

[@victorianni9493]

This was a really good video answering almost all my questions in regards to possible reasons for not getting the vaccine yet. My only issue left is the long term effects of accumulation of continued vaccines and boosters. Can that be answered? Not like they are the same thing at all but using the analogy to describe my point...one cigarette, or one meal with glyphosate or one vaccine will not kill someone. However, an accumulation of the years of smoking, the countless meals with food sprayed with glyphosate have been shown to have detrimental effects on the body. Do we have anything to worry about with the accumulation of numerous vaccines and boosters to our system that is unnatural to the human condition for the majority of our evolutionary history?

[@jeffromek7073]

Great info. The one thing they left out is how the shots stack up against natural immunity from infection and whether those already infected need the shot? It seems illogical to many and perpetuates suspicion that it's being pushed primarily for profit.

[@hauleyhighlife]

I was hoping you would talk about the studies you've heard/ seen with people who have natural immunity, having already had covid 19, will you be addressing this soon? 🤔🙏🏼 Thanks!

[@kurthoffmann7160]

What about elevated d-dimer results for people after vaccination... Is this a concern? I did not hear anything about d-dimer results mentioned in this video.

[@bcd6842]

Natural immunity verses vaccine immunity? In the very long run which is better? I think the answer is very obvious. Natural immunity is always better.

[@alydaspeerin3969]

Early in the video Dr. Seheult made an argument in the segment on death certificate listings saying stroke, heart attack etc. are caused by COVID and would not have otherwise occurred at the time (i.e. establishing of a causation relationship). Dr. Patrick seems to use the same argument inversely in the section on VAERS saying that these things (heart attack, stroke, etc.) happen independently of vaccination and account a large amount of deaths (which is one of the reasons why we cannot establish a "causation" relationship between vaccination and death). Is this argument used for vaccination deaths and not COVID deaths because the mechanism is known (and shown?) of how COVID causes events such as heart attack and stroke and not shown in the case of the vaccine? If so please provide references.

[@ancelmiller1285]

This didn't age well

[@robertb2059]

How long is the vaccine good for? Two weeks?

[@andymullarx6365]

So why are so many young people getting myocarditis ?

[@Medcram]

Show me the “so many” in data.

[@hagbard72]

Lots of vaccinated people in hospital here (Windsor Ontario) and 2 of 6 fully vaccinated are in ICU. With my second dose in June, had a headache (on and off) for over a month, still get it today but more rare. Normally don't get headaches.

[@heatherdean101]

I really, really want to know what Robert Malone would respond to your Spike protein explanation. It sounds to me the science is still out on that, which, is scary.

[@Medcram]

Really enjoyed this discussion with Dr. Rhonda Patrick. Thank you for watching and please share this video with friends and family if you found it helpful. Bookmarks of topics discussed: 00:01:20 - Should young and healthy get vaccinated? 00:06:47 - Risk of myocarditis 00:10:40 - Long-haul COVID 00:19:58 - Is spike protein from vaccines dangerous? 00:35:39 - COVID-19 Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) 01:01:17 - Antibody dependent enhancement? 01:09:16 - Do COVID vaccines damage fertility? 01:14:13 - Will mRNA vaccines alter DNA? 01:22:32 - Are alternatives like ivermectin as effective as the vaccine? 01:42:02 - Do vaccines prevent Delta transmission? 01:56:04 - Will the virus become more deadly due to vaccines? 02:05:07 - T-cell immunity 02:08:34 - Long term side effects / were vaccines rushed?

[@dawncarrasco8320]

Where is the data for the spike of injuries on patients who were vaccinated ? They get sent home and are told it’s in their head or it’s anxiety and suggested to go see a therapist .

[@phatbrain3444]

One of the questions should be if you would be willing to debate. Would you be willing to debate one or all of your explanations?

[@jeanniebauer2431]

Does a gold standard Randomized Control Trial exist providing evidence for benefit vs risk of booster vaccine shot? If not, what is the rationale for demanding this level of evidence for other treatments but not the vaccine, in your opinion?

[@srikishankandakatla6135]

Medcram is really explosive as far as dispersing evidence based medical knowledge. As a practicing GP in a dark corner of the world called Iran, I incorporate the knowledge gained through the site, into my daily practice. Thanks Dr Seheult for making me better doctor

[@kristinemeints]

Update please...now that we are seeing some fall out

[@gucukogluh]

How about herd immunity ?

[@maggiedubach8867]

My always healthy husband, 63, had his 2 Moderna shots, (I opted out) over a year ago. He has recently been diagnosed with Carotid Artery on both sides of his neck with recent surgery on the right with not one, but 2 stents! The left needs open up and clean out. He also has 3 masses in his right lung and is having a hard time breathing. The largest one measures as large as 10cm! He's having a biopsy next week on his lung ...So he also has kidney stones, AND a mass on his bladder! I've always been against any vaccine that hasn't been tested for a decent length of time but also knowing it could save lives. Everything all at once has progressed so fast...I'm besides myself with worry he won't be here much longer.

[@FriendlyBikerGuy]

Last concern is why natural immunity research discussions and findings aren't on the table.

[@Medcram]

Talked about this a while ago kzbin.info/www/bejne/a4O6eJtnbt6Hjtk

[@notoriousosc1669]

I’m 23 and had Covid. It is no joke, I can see how it can kill the elderly very quickly. I’m in great shape and got through it but I am just getting my peak performance back after 2 months.

[@brentchapman1958]

Rarely (never) hear Doctors talk about the Cycle Threshold of the PCR test when discussing diagnosis of CV. Does the sensitivity of medical tests no longer matter?

[@kbkesq]

Rhonda isn’t too reassuring on spike proteins. “We don’t know if mrna vax spike proteins causes damage yet but there’s loads of animal studies showing damage from SARS spike proteins.”

[@martykimble9999]

There are side effects not reported

[@stacey4u2luv]

I would like information on how many more people have brain aneurysms after vaccination that have never gotten covid. Plus numbers of excess deaths.

[@Elainna888]

I just had Covid. Had the vaccine before that too. My question is even if you had the vaccine is the Covid still going into my different organs and parts of my body? I had Covid one month ago I still have half my head still feeling like it’s clogged, headaches, vertigo plus extremely still tired. Will this go away

[@javiantrotman]

Hope you read this comment. I am a young male who took the first shot, for period of 3 days I had frequent random sensations of being stabbed in the heart pain was very brief but very painful along with consistent rapid heart beats above 115 which is higher than my avg of 80. Is it fair that these symptoms can be seen as precursor to myocarditis if I get the 2nd shot? And if not can you provide some reassurance about what was happening to me. Because at the time doctors I visited didn't seem to know what to do. Not sure how to contact you privately to provide more detail hope this is enough

[@debstevens6102]

I appreciate this interview. So many more questions to be answered. Thank you for expressing the need for individual freedom on receiving vaccines. There are hundreds of other highly educated, brilliant doctors and scientists here and around the world that have evidence and data that should also be absorbed.

[@mRcOOL5YO]

Outside the box thought: In January, very few young people where vaccinated, because the old had priority. We see a very low hospitalization rate. And as the vaccination numbers go up, so does hospitalization. had the vaccine worked, as they say it does, shouldnt that number had gone down? Just a thought.

[@sangeetasharma5435]

I am an Indian doctor. My experience was exactly the same as that of dr selehuet. Significant number of young patients in late 20's and early 30's died. Which is surprising because many of my old patients which were diabetic survived even though I expected them to die. I still don't understand Covid. Although no one under 18 reported death from covid in my district with population of 500000

[@Fr1nc3sc41]

"Encouraged" is not "required."

[@laurencelamare1260]

Have these people stated their conflicts of interest before analysing the data?

[@123lou4444]

It would be interesting to have a debate/conversation with experts who have different views.... :)

[@Angrymobs62]

Wish they would debate the doctors who are less trusting of the therapies

[@KenJackson_US]

Your Swiss cheese model at 1:20:16 doesn't include *Vitamin D!* Why exclude this _crucial_ defense?

[@Medcram]

We didn’t draw the picture and would have included many more “slices” including hydrotherapy, sleep, sunshine, etc. you get the point though.

[@deno77joe]

Thank you for the scientific information. I pretty much understand the mechanisms but I am still hesitant. I don’t do well with meds and shots and body chemistry manipulations except for natural Chinese medicine using plant extracts etc. My doctor uses kinesiology muscle testing to check bioavailability and dosing. He’s really good. If I need a traditional script he can test it as well. It’s foolproof for me at least. I go out of my way to eat clean and skip GMO food. The shot still scares me as a little “wild” and unnatural. If I could bring my doctor to test the concoction with kinesiology before getting the injection I may be more apt to taking it. Also the thought of multiple shots and boosters to keep loading up on all this tech is frightening. Why is no one on your side of the fence talking about prevention and prophylactic measures that will not harm and if one contracts the virus they can avoid hospitalization and death. What about Regeneron? It was good enough fir our president? We can get it here in Pitts but it is a secret as to where you can get it. You really are still on your own, vaccinated or unvaccinated.

[@cassandraotroy6325]

What happened to the importance of vitamin D3?

[@baileystruss7319]

Excellent. BTW, why is the needle not aspirated during injection to assure no vaccine gets into a blood vessel? This is a point that UK Dr. Campbell has touched on.

[@KenLord]

Because it's injected into muscle, to reduce the chance of that happening.

[@oanagody1]

My CVS pharmacist shortly refused to aspirate when asked, and threw the needle in my shoulder like he was playing darts. I was frightened.

[@lemonz1769]

That's the responsibility of the person administering it and is only required when an intramuscular injection (drug or immunization) is given in the dorsogluteal region. For clinicians that routinely give IM injections (ie nurses) their technique may be such that the aspiration of 5-10 seconds is imperceptible to the patient. Also, its only happening when the injection is in your rear end so the you wouldn't likely see what's happening.

[@ldjt6184]

Can you please discuss the problems with remdesivir and ventilators? Thank you.

[@Wholefoodshealth]

Great discussion. Thank you for doing this. I would encourage you though to look more into the studies regarding early treatment with ivermectin. Cost benefit seems like a no-brainer to me.

[@_LFOD1836]

Can you please explain why we would want to change a child's immunity profile with a vaccination, when their own natural immunity works so well?

[@jbsparkssp2821]

Significant concerns certainly but does it warrant mass vaccination in children; also mandated vaccination in adults under 50 especially given the immunity strength in acquiring the virus. (Sadly I am at a point where references from the CDC are highly questionable. They are no longer an unbiased guiding light, in my opinion.)

[@1one2twoeyesonyou]

They are doing damage control!

[@TCB84]

Is it advised to get a physical before getting the pfizer vaccine? Also, is it possible that someone could have had covid-19 in 2017,2018 or even 2019 and had no idea it was actually covid?

[@epiphannytaylor3211]

This may be good for one thing but I am worried that the change it causes may affect us negatively in the future.

[@mozartrn1]

Would appreciate a discussion on natural immunity as I haven't been vaccinated; had a mild case of Covid November of last year. Sitting on the fence about getting vaccinated. Thank you all for this education!

[@t.c.s.7724]

I didn't realize Ms. Patrick was a virologist. I would be interested in hearing a discussion regarding covid infection autoantibodies, auto inflammatory responses, Hypersensitivity reactions 2-4.

[@helenporter7584]

Thanks for addressing some of the concerns people have a before taking the vaccine. Much better than saying 'just take the vaccine'! Roger is it possible to give some information on the Vitamin D levels of patients hospitalised with Covid 19 please?

[@whisperingdeath308]

What about weakened immune system caused by the vaccine?

[@FriendlyBikerGuy]

Regarding Ivermectin, why do you assert studies and trials over clinical results?

[@Medcram]

Together trial is a large clinical trial which showed no benefit.

[@eriksrigley9026]

Good talk. Would be good to have some of the same information for the J&J vaccine. There are 14.8 million of us out there.

[@ritaromney584]

I respectfully ask if the hospitals are overwhelmed because of the number of medical personnel that chose to opt out of the mandate? So, there may not be enough nursing staff etc., to care for the Covid patients, so beds are limited.

[@EDahl85]

Despite the comments on fertility, the effects aren't known for an individual in the long term or with more than one shot Be well

[@ingerbarberg5824]

After hearing all this information it's up to each individual whether they want to decide to take a vaccine

[@joylenejanzen2061]

How do you know that the vaccines have not changed? Watched an interview where they talked about Psizer Factory vaccine BATCHES are not all the same

[@terencepotter4459]

This was amazing and I will be sharing. As a critical care fellow (and emergency medicine physician), I'm on the front lines. And I'm already familiar with Rhonda Patrick with her work on longevity, nutrition, etc. It was fascinating to hear these two giants give their take in a very methodical and evidence-based manner on an obviously important topic.

[@Medcram]

Thank you so much for your feedback and work on the frontlines