Cowboy Bebop: Ballad of Fallen Angels - Supernova Symphony comparison

[@suspiciouschicken]

I think the worst part about this is that in the live action it shows how terrified Spike is when he gets thrown out the window the whole reason why spike isn't scared in the original is because he doesn't care if he lives or dies

[@goeticfolklore]

Right the whole central idea is he has been dead since he lost Julia. He has died a million times, but isn’t figuratively alive until he literally dies with her. That’s why making her a villain makes 0 sense in the live action. She’s central to his arc

[@Lone_Star86]

100% correct how did the live action not understand this?

[@telacreiste984]

He knows that he will not die for his eye.

[@kossemoore3342]

@@Lone_Star86 as quoted by the show creator of live action bebop "just doing my thing"

[@soulrefix6503]

Because women can't be metaphors or ppl might be offended cause she isn't "more". Julia was always a shallow character. She played off of spike. Without spike she would legit be nothing. Spike gives her character meaning and because of that Julia gives spike background. I'm very liberal let me state this. But there are too many writers afraid of making a woman anything less than starring role or plot twist in fear they'll be called out for thinking less of women cause they aren't the starring role.

[@syphonpsilocybin]

Julia literally wasn't even there at this scene.. how could they drop the ball this badly with the plot, let alone just this scene? Its wild

[@richardavelino7383]

They couldn't even give him a damn trench coat.

[@Jon-br8co]

Well your bitching killed the show.

[@iamwhoiam7887]

@@Jon-br8co good because it was garbage like everything else on Netflix.

[@lanceg6197]

@@Jon-br8co good! it was trash anyway

[@edgargad2941]

​@@lanceg6197trench coat aside, it was good until Spike got betrayed. Way too different from the original, and it makes Vicious look like a B**ch who can't take one bullet.

[@yuvalgabay1023]

Because he wants yhe kids to go to.scho

[@emma-np7zg]

i don’t understand how it’s possible for them to miss the mark so badly

[@judyhopps9380]

netflix + woke + probable money laundering

[@DoWutNow]

Stupidity

[@forestcamper4666]

hopefully one day someone can do it right

[@carlosdanielcalderonmontoy3723]

@@forestcamper4666 hopefully not, all we need is the anime

[@forestcamper4666]

@@carlosdanielcalderonmontoy3723 True, can never beat the classic's when company's try to milk things from a glorious era

[@yes1234]

Man could they not at least have given Spike the coat

[@ilovefriedchickenyeh]

@@brinedrinker5618 He wore two different types of coats! On Jupiter Jazz and on ballad of angels/real folk blues part II

[@ilovefriedchickenyeh]

@@brinedrinker5618 I was talking about the anime lol

[@xmetax]

Netflix : "Let's screw up one of the greatest scenes in anime history" Christopher Yost : "Okay"

[@Pearlem]

You can really see why animation has advantages over life action in this comparison. Stuff that looks awesome in the original like the purple color palette, exaggerated posing, cool slow motion, unsubtle dialogue, and general aesthetics just can’t be replicated into live action without looking stupid. Also i don’t know who directed the live action but their lack of talent shows

[@shivamkind3162]

Animation were sick & stylish

[@mschored487]

Unfortunately a lot of slow mo anime just seems cheesy irl

[@markmeadowz5591]

It could totally be replicated in live-action. they just chose not too.

[@Pearlem]

@@markmeadowz5591 did not say it was impossible but it’s definetly a lot harder in live action. The biggest advantage animation has is that you can get away with doing some things that real life doesn’t make easy

[@markmeadowz5591]

@@Pearlem Totally agree, was not trying to sound like I was disagreeing with you. It's just disappointing to see this and accept it as the best they can do to adapt the material, when it's clearly not.

[@thegrimmretails3777]

The bad guy in the live action looks more like a bad Viserious cosplay than an homage to the animated character.

[@tylortylor5889]

Some parts felt like I was watching the anime brought to life but I didn't like the fact that they made vicious a British Emotional creep with daddy issues. He was always cold, calculated, planned things out and welcomed death. He didn't care about love or even friendship. He was twisted like Albert Wesker.

[@albertwesker6153]

It’s not that he is British, it’s the fact they cast someone who doesn’t have a scary, monotone voice

[@AA-db9cb]

I''m not going to hate on the live-action that much since I appreciate theya ctually tried but this is a great lesson to understand the importance of cinematogrophy, lighting, angles etc. There's just a massive gap in the way scenes are drawn shot today and yesterday. The cinematography is a hidden storyteller.

[@LightSkye]

Thats the best way of putting it. Clearly the people who made the live action adaption loved the original but they tried to to do too much scene for scene which doesn't work for different mediums most of the time. They tried to adapt it and failed but really, when we have all the Uwe Boll movies to compare one medium going to another, I feel like Cowboy Bebop got kinda lucky.

[@dimvots6729]

​@@LightSkyeThey butchered the anime change plot lines and crippled characters, i don't see any reason to believe they cared for the anime.

[@OroborusFMA]

It's really bizarre. They should have either remade the anime faithfully or just done a prequel that featured just Spike and Jet and finishes where the anime begins.

[@sergiogari5999]

There is a cowboy bebop prequel it's called Samurai Champloo

[@DragonwaveOG]

@@sergiogari5999 that ain’t a prequel right?

[@sergiogari5999]

@@DragonwaveOG it is

[@DragonwaveOG]

@@sergiogari5999 how?

[@kossemoore3342]

Or just leave bebop alone.

[@dee8171]

Lol Netflix butchered this scene. 😂 Then at least in the anime, the fall did almost kill Spike. He was knocked out for 3 days. Spike falls out the window on here and walks back to the Bebop. Lol

[@LightSkye]

Thanks for posting a scene to scene comparison.

[@oatmeal_]

No problem! Prior to making this I was looking for one but I never found one, so I decided to do it myself.

[@Crynocent]

Marvin Martian: Where's the kaboom? There's supposed to be an earth shattering kaboom!

[@wendigovertigo]

They could’ve at least give him his badass trench coat

[@whichDude]

2:15 WHAT?! Who thought this change was a good idea?!

[@aquaticlibrary]

The worst part was they changed the entire context of this scene.

[@Parlotte4]

ok, i don't even watch the anime but the emotional tension is so fucking different, how they could fuck that up so bad, like, literally feels like a joke

[@goeticfolklore]

If you actually watch it then it gets so much worse 😭😭😭 they butchered his true love julia who he literally dies for by making her shoot him

[@Parlotte4]

@@goeticfolklore don't worry, I'm watching it with my bf, my mommy recommended it to me, would be kind to not spoil me tho

[@Dannydarko27]

Its sucks cause there clearly are moments that are the best live action can depict anime, then they go and change the whole story and beloved characters. Thanks for giving me hope and instantly shattering it netflix

[@JohnHenryDavisTheThird1987]

They could've at least given him his damn coat.

[@DoWutNow]

Thanks for showing how bad the live action missed the marked

[@rohitkallakuri1021]

How did people actually agree to put money in this? This adaptation is an atrocity.

[@dokuganryu1565]

What a sad state of affairs

[@DibbzTV]

They literally had a layup to win the hearts of fans but instead went for a trick dunk, hit the rim, and the ball bounced back in the face

[@JarrylKhan]

I've seen a lot of awful stuff on the internet but this... this actually hurts to watch. Look how they massacred my boy...

[@illmeaty]

Coming from someone who really enjoyed the show...All they had to do to stay in production was do a 1-for-1 shot of this episode.

[@illmeaty]

I do love that they used the original song"Rain" in the live-action. This is a good example of how to do a remake of an already established series, unlike...changing the plot

[@thejoeyjoey]

right? they didnt even try. like how hard is it to have the guy wear a coat and just take it off.

[@jetsetatrophy67]

The Vicious dialogue about flowing blood and such comes off super cringe considering we just spent the whole season seeing him as a huge bitch. No menace to him at all

[@CarlDSLR]

How could they straight up copy some things but fuck it up so bad at the same time?

[@MikoYotsuya292]

I feel bad for the actors, they did their best here...

[@yungegger]

That was so awkward when him, jet, and faye have a shootout the church, then spike immediately walks back in and THEN the song starts to play. What abysmal writing.

[@DibbzTV]

… “look how they massacred my boy”

[@kimharveyforastero6890]

Man netflix just dont get the character of spike. Look at the anime as he fall he's face show no emotion at all. Because for spike his always been dead way back. The anime has more mystery and depth just by the angle of the camera. Netflix is so stupid to even try to touch this master piece.

[@wojakc7745]

Sometimes when doing remakes or adaptations it can be pretty cheap to do 1 to 1 recreations. However when the original scene is damn near perfect like this, everybody will understand

[@pyrosplicer85]

Credit where credit is due, it takes real skill to fuck up three characters and an iconic scene in under two minutes.

[@cyph009]

How did Netflix manage to butcher the og scene so badly holy shit 😭😭

[@biggestnerdalive8476]

I was too busy looking at the piece of art that is the original to notice the remake

[@elliottpierce9823]

While there's some stuff live action could never recreated about this scene in the anime, its like they didn't even try. There's no freakin tension whatsoever, because they just skip the badass stare-down and conversation at the start. Then they just start shooting after a one liner from spike.

[@lordbaccoon1821]

Ok so I actually don't think the set design is bad. I actually really like the initial walk up to the alter but the pacing, acting, and pretty much everything else does not even compare to the original.

[@gynyzyss3]

I'm a huge fan of the anime. My love for it borders on an unhealthy obsession. I was shocked that I didn't hate most of the live action version. I really wanted to but i surprisingly didn't. I liked the remake of this scene up until when Spike falls. They completely missed the metaphor. In the anime he's seeing everything through his "eye that stays in the past". If they understood the importance of that they probably wouldn't have replaced the grenade he left with vicious with Daenerys Targaryen shooting a gun with a kick that, unless spike was so startled he literally jumped back, would shatter her arm. Actually, why do Vicious and Julia look like Daenerys and her creepy ass brother?

[@someguycalledsteven7141]

I couldn’t make it past episode 3 so didn’t know this is how that scene went in the live action. Jesus…😢

[@charleshemphill6923]

What in the world did they do to my Beebop

[@charaznable8072]

Who can watch this without shedding a tear?

[@hotdogcheese1975]

i was expecting a Spkie that looks like a very Handsome Man in his 30's

[@アルマシー]

このシーン好きなので実写でやりたい気持ちわかるし努力は買うわ

[@Ackerman673]

Hmmm yes. They switched a beautiful angel like blonde by an onlyfans cosplayer.

[@georgebrown8493]

Don't even compare the anime to this soulless nonsense of a show.

[@SolCresta3405]

The show holds its own. It’s not as good as the anime, but it’s average.

[@MrMadRealms]

@@SolCresta3405 if by holds its own you mean standing on a single foot and falling over miserably then sure, it holds its own.

[@SolCresta3405]

@@MrMadRealms I'm just saying this is still an average show. I know it's not as good as the anime.

[@DoWutNow]

@@SolCresta3405 if it wasn't called Cowboy Bebop it could hold it's own. Live action was not the anime in any way, shape, or form.

[@SolCresta3405]

@@DoWutNow I already knew this was never going to be as good as the anime. But I still thought it was simply okay.

[@coryaprophet9360]

The anime version was better but I would like to see the rest of it

[@jonathanbell8887]

I don’t think they understood this is a spaghetti western in space. The duster, the empty abandoned church, spike didn’t come to save to girl he came to kill vicious. The entire vibe is just way off in the live action and he doesn’t even have a gun on him? What type of cowboy would need to pick up a gun?

[@chaosXP3RT]

It's insane to me that there are people who refuse to watch anime, unless it's been redone in Live-Action.

[@buddypaldudeguy6209]

Did he walk in unarmed and just get lucky there was a gun? With an unknown number of bullets in the magazine next to it?

[@Lone_Star86]

I don't know what's worse. This, or DBZ evolution.

[@jetsetatrophy67]

Eh let's not get carried away, this at least had music and some iconography. Evolution was unrecognizable

[@tf2medic811]

Never blame the actors but some roles just don't fit

[@StealthBeeKid]

almost looks like a fan film... but I'll give it, at least they tried to replicate 1:28 which almost worked, but they still needed to adapt some things to make the live action better. Oh, I said it almost worked... Well I'll take it back cause Vicious looks like everything but something vicious or Vicious

[@danielhaire6677]

How could they come so close to a perfect adaptation yet botch it so completely?

[@peacefulinvasion684]

WTF? Why is Julia the one pulling the trigger? The MLP version is way better than this crap.

[@battoxia23]

You can tell people who produced this show didn't love the anime

[@RomdyDussell]

The scene where vicious lifts spike with one hand is what made him 'vicious'. Not this wimpy noodle.

[@Teadrinker-zy1yp]

Honestly I'm probably in the minority here but I'm actually super upset we will never see where live action Julia was going with this. She was very compelling to me.

[@elised3641]

Agreed!

[@skyhunter2816]

You are definitely in the minority. She was an awful character and the change in story is abysmal and insulting.

[@SpydrByte]

Actors for spike, jet and faye were doing so fucking hard trying to carry this adaptation but nothing can fix bad re-writes, cinematography, and pacing.

[@ObservingStuff]

One thing the original version didn't do right was use the male version of this song. It had much more soul

[@The_Platinum_Realist]

They couldn't give him the Trenchcoat because they ran out on budget.....

[@mcboogyball6167]

Beginning of the video 35 secs in sounds like close to the edge by yes like 10-13 mins in the song.

[@gabrielmoody6309]

Like how.. I don’t give a shit about the live action cause I just discovered this Gem of an anime a few days ago and absolutely loved it. But how do you fuck up this hard??😂

[@Anudorini-Talah]

Great show!!!❤

[@tsesia9746]

Why was Julia there??

[@goeticfolklore]

They made her evil 😭😭😭😭 did my homegirl wrong

[@elised3641]

@@goeticfolklore They didn't make her evil. She just took charge of her own life and essentially did to them what they did to her. She actually fights back in the live series instead of just taking it. Granted, her choices weren't morally good, but they were understandable.

[@learningchanneru4856]

Boy it s the lalaland of gunfights what s going on

[@systemd2]

seeing seconds of this, i have the urge to see the original anime scene... fuck... thats so insne

[@frapapeto]

They did spike dirty

[@moonvibes1322]

They fucked so much things but i gotta say, Spike's actor was the best choice

[@The1emerican]

I’ll always pretend that the live actions didn’t exist. This show was part of my childhood and it will always be cherished. Nice try Netflix you Woke Tards 😊

[@Benophobia]

I really do love both I can't lie.

[@richardavelino7383]

I'm glad someone at least enjoys them.

[@shelceygusek427]

You're not alone.

[@willdazey7368]

There are just soo many obvious issues when you have a side by side comparison. For one, the dialog and action is hugely rushed. There's no care given to the emotion of the scene; allowing each word and feeling sink in and pervade the scene. It's a recreation of a scene without understanding the underlying motivations and emotions. Do they even understand WHY Spike is fighting Vicious? Spike doesn't care about himself; he isn't here to save anyone. He's here to right a wrong he created in his past: running away and allowing Vicious to take over. He's here to clean up a mess he created. If they means his life is forfeit, then that's how it is. Spike is not a man who cares about anything anymore. For all he knows, he has lost everything just seeks to make something right from all the wrongs. Adding Julia to the scene totally muddles the emotions and ruins the ending.

[@Joker_Kaneki]

i am so glad i stopped watching the live action half way through the second episode

[@thejoeyjoey]

they should have been more faithful

[@skyhunter2816]

They literally fucked this episode up so badly it deserved to get cancelled.

[@psyxsees1]

All they had to do is make a carbon copy of the show

[@roll3886]

See this is one of the scenes that really missed the mark entirely. Starts off ok, up until the Vicious fight. They lose a few marks there but nothing major and then they utterly ruin the whole thing with Julia at the end. It just kills me how much they messed up this series.

[@goeticfolklore]

And people like the say live action julia is better 😭😭 like what they ruined spikes entire character arc by fucking her up

[@roll3886]

@@goeticfolklore And they all but made Vicious a completely whipped loser. Vicious was menacing and threatening in the anime, in the live he was like a little puppy dog. I dunno how people can say live action Julia was better in any way...

[@gagefarmer9615]

Julia you traitor. Spike you did the right leaving the Red Dragon syndicate. Spike had a bad night almost by his ex-girlfriend his partner turned his back on him.

[@goeticfolklore]

Julia is his true love in the anime, they are demolition lovers who are destined to be united in death. The live action ruined the depth of his character by making Julia evil

[@gagefarmer9615]

Julia will learn the price of betrayal someday.

[@joedock2530]

I loved it. No its not "just like the anime" it's not supposed to be. I been a bebop fan since forever and I understood what they were trying to do. It's a shame that some fucked it up for the people that liked it

[@wp8767]

They must have intentionally sabotaged the live action series.. No way you could accidentally fuck this up this bad. What a travesty to share the name with the original.

[@gagefarmer9615]

I wouldn't trust Julia. Never your trust ex.

[@redaamad5647]

I'm sorry but there is no way to compare the epicness of the anime to the mess of the series

[@1993geekDude]

There was no need to make this live action

[@alfrestark9640]

Music name ?

[@greyfox37]

Rain

[@alfrestark9640]

@@greyfox37 Justo. Ahora en mí país está lloviendo 😂😃😂

[@vrock6767]

Green Bird

[@brickstone6245]

It's so disappointing because this probably has the best potential of any of these adaptations just with cast alone.. great spoke imo, the rewriting of a classic story by idiot young writers is plaguing every movie, show, games and I'm sure other forms of stories

[@joannecorpuz1256]

They got CB so wrong here

[@berattanerterzi8250]

Anime>>>

[@zerocrane]

The destruction of Vicious' character and ruining the single greatest scene in anime. congrats.

[@big131]

LOL, thats not spike, dont care.

[@rk-gy6nb]

The writing is so brave 10/10

[@cyborgninjapirat1097]

Why is there so much effort in trashing good things?

[@colonelradec5956]

not bad. but wtf also.

[@Majin288]

It's a Damn Shame to be honest. The live action with John Cho did a lot of things right. But holy hell did they take liberties and then they just went and Messed it up to the point that you just can't like the Netflix live action, it's a slap in the face.. God it's so bad! They took the Church scene and screwed it up soo much that as you sit there gap-mouthed, jaw on the floor over how wrong they writers got this ICONIC part of the show, then then SPIT in your mouth with the Julia part.. WTF!!

[@azraellive3595]

I really liked everyone in this show beside vicious that was a shit casting

[@leodouskyron5671]

The issue is not: Netflix - they JUST provide the money The directors & creatives - they did the best they could The real problem is that this scene was they are trying to reproduce is/was a masterpiece and you can’t improve on or even reproduce perfection!

[@inarcissist1]

It's not terrible, but I can see why fans were mad. The anime is so beautiful, you have to really work hard to recreate that kind of beauty. I still love the live action version though. I'm one of those people where I can see the beauty in both, I don't love one more than the other.

[@skyhunter2816]

You shouldn't. The live action literally butchered it.

[@masterofrockets]

As different as it was, I enjoyed the Netflix show. Not as much as OG but it had some moments.

[@evanbelisle8464]

THE FUCK IS THIS?!

[@miely0847]

John Cho deserved better. Live Action could have been a great series and the writing was like the worst, last second Mad Libs created. Sorry, John

[@Tongtong-a]

Oh my god