I'm basically the guy version of u. I found ur videos so relatable! I quit my 6 figure job in Nov 2022, took a "sabbatical", and I still haven't figured anything out. Ultimately, I think I might return to it and discuss the prior workload with my manager. I'm hoping it works out better as I haven't had much luck with other interviews. But yeah, the depression is intense man. I totally feel u when u said "I don't have it in me". I'm just tired every day too, and all I want to do is doomscroll all day. It's pathetic. I recently watched a lecture about depression, and I think we're experiencing "psychomotor retardation" which is the slowing down of our mental/physical activities. I recently lost 50 lbs or so from inactivity (all my muscle gains r gone... sigh), so I'm trying a little bit more each day. Hopefully I can get that job back so I can have a bit of normalcy again. Also, I truly think we should join a class or Meetup or something. The loneliness for me is extremely painful and is something I struggled with a lot in my adult life. I've been crying a lot too which is probably contributing to my daily headaches. It's like I've been conditioned to be in this constant negative state, and I don't want to live like this any more. Not to mention my rampant suicidal thoughts. Anyway, I say try putting more effort in making friends. I think bettering ur social life would give it some meaning. Well, at least that's what I'm trying to do. Best of luck to both of us!
@denize50825 ай бұрын
+1 social life also requires income to some extent. I cry a lot too but we should be aware not to hurt our body with too much stress we wouldnt want an auto immune issue. I had a mini surgery so I cant be physically active too, not moving affects depression bad thats true
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
I agree with everything you said. Even when I do socialize, I feel like I don’t have much to talk about if that makes sense so I become a great listener instead. I’m just going day by day. Loneliness is extremely painful. Before I would find things to do, but now I feel panic and anxiety. I have gone to meetups and have met some great friends. It’s been the hardest year and it terrifies me to think I will have more years of feeling this awful. I now see why people give up on life. 😣 As far as your job, maybe you can find something similar or try a different company? I appreciate your vulnerability with sharing this and hope things get better for you. 🙏🏼🖤✨
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
You’re right. Most times it does require income especially if you want to pursue hobbies. And yes, mental health can also affect our physical health. 😣 Thank you for sharing. 🙏🏼🖤✨
@biohazard7375 ай бұрын
@ProgressWithChristina Thanks! Yeah same here. I'm an introvert, so it's hard for me to connect with ppl right away. And small talk is so lame. I prefer listening if the other person is more outgoing, but generally it takes me a while to warm up. Loneliness sucks so much. I used to have a group on discord during my "sabbatical", but now it's inactive. I relied too heavily on it, and now I'm all alone again 😒. Story of my life, ppl always come and go... I hear ya, I feel like giving up every time. Sometimes I wish my depression was even worse, so I can finally end it. But, some days I'm OK. It's just an endless cycle of suffering. In the end though, I'm too chicken to do it. Yeah I had a few interviews, but nothing advanced beyond the initial interview. Honestly, I feel like I'm wasting the summer waiting and waiting for recruiters and hiring managers to hurry up. I have some personal goals that r dependent on a job first, so I think going back would be the quickest in the short-term. I'm fortunate I left on really good terms, so I don't think I would have to interview. Fingers crossed they'll let me work remotely too! Well, hope u had a great 4th. I spent mine alone, but luckily was able to keep busy. It's tough out there. I think we just need to remember we're not alone in this even though the outside world, everyone seems to be doing well. Gotta look forward, not back. I truly hope things get better for us.
@annadong99885 ай бұрын
Be gentle with yourself. You are braver than you give yourself credit for. Battling depression and anxiety is extremely difficult, it’s like running a marathon before you even get up for the day. No wonder you are tired and discouraged. None of this is your fault. You wouldn’t blame a cancer patient you being sick, so no one should blame someone with mental illness for being sick. Mental illness is just as serious as physical illness. I went through a traumatic experience and lost my job. Ever since then my depression has made it difficult to find the will power to do anything including work. I blame myself all the time but it’s the depression skewing my perception.
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
Yes. Before I would figure it out and this time my brains default seems to go to negativity and castastrophizing.😣 Constant worry. It’s exhausting!
@Dizztah5 ай бұрын
I'm not trying to promote victimization, but it's okay to not feel okay sometimes. It's not always your fault. For example, I don't know the full context of why you quit your corporate job, but I'm willing to bet it was because of burnout. We are not meant to overburden ourselves with work.
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
I have been burned out for a very long time and have not taken any breaks. I did some research and it takes up to a year at times to fully recover from burn out. Thanks for sharing.
@fegrace_14 ай бұрын
I was watching another video and my hand somehow clicked off the other video and this one popped up. I am going to pray for you. May you have peace, may you work through your depression, and seek solutions to your current problems. Don’t gif up, keep working on your mental health (call 211 they help connect you with free services), and keep seeking the answers to your current challenges. In the midst of all of what you shared, I hear and see a very resilient woman. Keep pushing forward and you will find your path. Suggestion: One of the ways to help with the smell is to deep clean all of the surfaces especially the cabinets, walls, and your floors with a pet friendly all-purpose cleaner. Don’t give up, hold on to hope, and develop a support system. Candles, simmering pots, and oil diffusers can also help.
@ProgressWithChristina4 ай бұрын
Thanks. I have lost desire and hope to be honest. 😔😣
@mfrancisco_8505 ай бұрын
im here with you i feel the same way been 3 years where im kinda just floating around trying to survive I think a lot of humans feel this way ever since the world has changed a lot.
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
It’s rough 😭😣
@mfrancisco_8505 ай бұрын
@@ProgressWithChristina yes it is for sure itry and find the good in my life things that bring me joy .
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
@mfrancisco_850 I think finding hobbies will help
@popspops37953 ай бұрын
Hi, I'm sorry you are going through tough times. I'm glad you are not ignoring your feelings. In my opinion, our feelings are our alert system. They warn us to pay attention to something, and then we rationalize it and take care of it. I believe our bodies are gateways to something much bigger. Our bodies will departure some day, but our energies, or state of mind will continue forever, therefore I believe it is extremely important to always feed our energies and state of mind with positivity, surround with positive people who care about our well-being. Also, focus on the things that we have control over and let go of the things we can't control. I don't know you, but my perception of you is that you are smart, sweet yet strong, and hardworking. Feed the goodness in your heart and let go of the negative things that overwhelm you. Whatever you do in your life, please ALWAYS prioritize your safety, your health, and your happiness. I'm rooting for you! Pops
@ProgressWithChristina3 ай бұрын
All good. Part of life. I agree with you. The bodies send us signals. I am learning about that.
@tracyc49445 ай бұрын
You took the words right out of my mind. You aren’t alone in this. I promise, I understand you. Keep fighting.
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
😭😣
@aidantech4 ай бұрын
It takes courage to make a video like this. Props to you Christina. I am wishing you a prosperous future
@ProgressWithChristina4 ай бұрын
I appreciate that.
@FaintAura5 ай бұрын
Your situation isn't all your fault. It's only your fault if you don't take action to fix it. You've had a well-paying job and nice lifestyle in the past, and you seem like a hard worker who takes accountability, so you're still in a better position than most. I believe in you.
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
I appreciate that. I do take accountability that it’s my fault whatever situation I am in but I hadn’t struggled with mental health to this extent in the past before. 😭😣
@ericcarson3425 ай бұрын
Hope you're well since you've made this. I laughed when you said 'this old apartment 1980s' I am a late forties dude (took no offense). I am guessing you are late 20s early thirties. In my opinion it's better to burnout now than when you're older and have never burned out. I really believe COVID and being confined and all the changes is just beginning to catch up to all of us and has forced us to re-think things. It's important to push yourself but also give yourself grace (and compassion). The negative self-talk, watch out for it. When you tell yourself something negative, just think 'would I speak to my friend like this' and more often than not, you wouldn't. There is someone out there that is going thru the same thing you are. Hope you don't feel alone in that. Have a great week. Dust off that peloton and get going.
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
lol! The apartment I lived in prior to this one was built in 2021, so to go from that to 1980s it definitely felt old. Yes on the compassion, but I also have to figure things out so I can live and sustain myself financially. Find something stable. Thanks for sharing.
@robnelson65455 ай бұрын
Make small positive steps, give yourself credit for every small step, try to understand this won’t last forever if you do that. Think maybe it wasn’t corporate or you but your particular boss. I work in corporate and things go in cycles of 2 years or 3 years so things change if you’re not happy right now, just focus on getting stronger and not resigning yourself that this will never end.
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
Thank you.
@M224.75 ай бұрын
Prayers for you my friend 🙏🏾 We all search for our purpose. When you find something you love doing and can make good money from it you’ll be able to face things and realize it was never anything to be worried about.
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
Thank you my friend. 🙏🏼🖤✨
@Rob336965 ай бұрын
Breath and relax. Your decision will determine your success. Don't give up. Hold your head high, you have a bright future
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
😣
@adammorra38135 ай бұрын
You are not alone, hang in there Christina!
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
😭😭😭😭😭
@Susanaccentasmr4 ай бұрын
Life can be so hard but you got this!!
@ProgressWithChristina4 ай бұрын
Doesn’t feel that way lol 😭
@pallas54465 ай бұрын
I am sorry to see you crying. Things will get better, you are a smart girl. When you least expect it things will turn around. I love your cats!
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
Thank you. 🙏🏼🖤✨ And they are sweet to me. They sleep next to me or on my hand at night. 🐱🥹
@aceten16825 ай бұрын
I'm sorry things are so tough right now. I just want to let you know that I think you're doing really well fighting this depression everyday. Don't be so hard on yourself. Take care Christina. Praying for you always 🙏
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
😣
@qispace_neil5 ай бұрын
Been here since my 20s, I dont wish it on anyone. As you said, its a roof over your head, im stuck in a house with family judging and breaking me down for my mental health, im working towards exiting this toxic place, just to create a income to do so. Always easy to suggest than do but finding solitude and sanctuary in your loft will help, add a plant or too, a gym space to do yoga etc and I think it will do wonders but I understand where you coming from so don't mean to judge here. Please try nurture yourself, im not a trained professional but sounds like a fall from Grace having a education and skills and created the life only to find yourself here, iv been there and I regret being so hard on myself, obviously you know these emotions are symptoms, its a grind. I hope you find what you deserve, better options to help you out and find relief. Yea only we can rescue ourselves but a supportive community can go a long way. Thanks for sharing your experiences, many suffer in silence feeling unheard and misunderstood.
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this. 🙏🏼🖤✨
@qispace_neil5 ай бұрын
@@ProgressWithChristina I know how painful it is. We need to support one another even if it doesn't make things go away, it's better than complete isolation and trying to figure everything out alone. Take care ✨️
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
I agree. All the kind comments on here make me feel understood and cared for.
@101_twentySomethings4 ай бұрын
if it makes you feel any better, i just want to say i am also going through same depression and anxiety issues. And soon will be quitting my new job just after one month. There are days when i so want to give up, but then i search these videos to give myself hope that i am not alone...
@ProgressWithChristina4 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing. You’re not alone. Life can be challenging! 😫😢
@tracyc49445 ай бұрын
Also, it’s not your fault. Corporate is burning us all out whether some people want to actually admit that or not. A lot of places are short staffed and the hard workers who should be getting taken care of and protected, are instead getting thrown more work. Especially those who are predisposed to anxiety and depression if not given adequate down time between projects. I can tell you’ve definitely made a difference and positive impact at your other jobs. They probably didn’t even deserve you.
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
It’s not just me. I just wish I could stay somewhere so I can have some stability in my life.
@20maxilo5 ай бұрын
The depression makes me feel sad about everything too... Its so tough to explain it to others... The depression is a form of a mental limitation that prevents you to see the hope in things...
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
Feels like I’m stuck in mud. Worry has become the default. It’s tiring. Also feeling dizzy all day.
@klanderkal5 ай бұрын
I too, am still suffering. Sorry for you... glad you're still able to function, to get apt, and live.. and have pets. Im unable to do anything at all. My life was so destroyed,.. i don't have any will to live. I just sit, or lay down everyday. Ruminating and catastrophizing . Not eating, or taking care of myself,.. i just don't care. The depression is severe. My life is over.. just waiting to expire asap.
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
Thank you for sharing. One day at a time. Even if you get up to walk ten minutes. Maybe use this as support and accountability. I know it’s easier said than done.
@klanderkal5 ай бұрын
@@ProgressWithChristina Thank you for replying 💐and caring. You really are a good person 🙏 I don't think I'll be able to walk 10 min. It sounds do simple though. I have no mental ability. I just have no will. I don't want to be in public anymore, or have anyone recognize me. I really don't want to live anymore. I just hate what happened . Thank you for caring. And also sharing your struggles.
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
You are welcome! Trust me, I understand not wanting to be seen. I feel like I look as bad as I feel especially compared to a year ago. If you have legs you can go for a walk. Remember with depression all we see is the negative. Tell yourself you can get up even if you don’t want to. You can do it. 🙏🏼
@klanderkal5 ай бұрын
@@ProgressWithChristina Thank you,.. You're right. Depression, all we see is NEGATIVE. You really understand. ... it is so difficult. 🫶🙌
@klanderkal5 ай бұрын
@@ProgressWithChristina Thanks for encouraging. I just don't have any want, or motivation.... I know I should.. for many reasons. But,.. I just can't. I can't get up... ( again). I miss the happy, loving, life enjoying person i always was.. ... I don't like what's happened, happening to me... 🙏🫶🫶😟
@errchy5 ай бұрын
Get some glade plugins or some candles to mask the smell 😊 My sister usually has small apartments, and im always amazed by how much she is able to transform a small space into a home. Add some small personal touches here and make the most of it. I think so many of us are burned tf out. Hang in there! Something that helped me not catastrophize (but i still do it a lot) was reading the Power of Now and trying to turn off my brain and be present. Its so damn hard but every now and then it works and having moments of no thoughts is such a relief.
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
I bought candles but the smell seems to be engraved in the walls idk lol. I looked it up and washing them with baking soda helps. Yes, lots of burn out. Adulting is tough lol. I agree. I plan to do more research or how to lessen catastrophizing. Thanks for sharing.
@chuckfaststrat5 ай бұрын
Hey Christina. It sounds like a seperation of the conscious ego and unconscious shadow. (Or one can think of it as the Mind and the Heart) The Mind tells us to get a high paying job, get some material success, and be winners by societal standards. But the Heart has withdrawn it's support of these goals, it will not go along with the Mind's plans, and fills one with depression. Please take some time and find out what your heart really wants. Then the Mind and Heart can be on the same page, have the same goals, and I bet you'll feel a lot better when that happens.
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
My heart loves to help others but that’s so broad you know. It’s definitely what you described.
@chuckfaststrat5 ай бұрын
@@ProgressWithChristina But the heart has already given you a big piece of the puzzle. "Helping others". The next question for the heart is "help others in what way, or help people to do what?" So, the mind must explore options, and let the heart respond. Example: Medical, Education, Social Work, etc? Do you want to help people recover from physical conditions, like a physical therapist? Or perhaps nutritionist? Or maybe help people learn things, like a teacher or tutoring? Or maybe help people learn life skills in a resource center? Or even help others with IDD or Behavioral Conditions, like a QMHP or QIDP? Or maybe a case worker, counselor, or therapist? There are so many doors for you to explore! See what interests you, look into it, and when you find the path that is right for you, your heart will remove the depression and give you energy again. You'll just know it.
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
Just hard to do when I struggle to make basic decisions. Things seem too overwhelming. Not to mention how to continue education when I didn’t have the finances nor qualify for loans.
@chuckfaststrat5 ай бұрын
@@ProgressWithChristina Don't put the cart before the horse. There's no fire in the heart yet, so you've hit a point of ennui and burnout. Pyschologically paralyzed. Survival is priority. Make a deal with your heart. Get yourself stabalized financially first, just so insecurity doesn't overwhelm you. And then promise your heart that once you reach that point, you will begin exploring options for it's fullfillment and satisfaction. And once you find what sets your heart on fire again, you can follow that path. And the mind can make the decisions and moves it needs to make, with full support from your heart.
@BenjimanLopez5 ай бұрын
I know this might seem a bit reach to other people but if nothing helps out, don't be afraid to walk into a church and pray and make friends. Just remember it's not about religious but a relationship. We get lost in this dark world and we just need a big hug.
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
I agree. The positivity and social support helps. I went to church a few weeks ago.
@philipg96115 ай бұрын
It's okay to have a tough day it's okay to not have the energy. Your place needs some nice plants.... But remember this when you get knocked down get back up every tim!!! I feel your pain and it will get better for you!!! Drink St John's Wort tea daily too if you can!it will help you!!! Big love 💗 come on get back up !!!!
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
Thank you!
@bigoddo5 ай бұрын
take it one day at a time, you got this! you are strong!!! Seek help though if you need it please.
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
Thank you. I was getting therapy but it didn’t feel like much help. It just felt like I was venting and that was it.
@siobhonc5 ай бұрын
I live in Hong Kong and your place is huge for one person. But too bad it smells....hope it gets better! I have a cat too and she keeps me company during my dark days
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
Yea it smells weird! And my two cats are sweet at night and sleep next to me or on my hand. 🥹
@siobhonc5 ай бұрын
@@ProgressWithChristina 🥹🥹👍
@howieg20195 ай бұрын
you might want to look into getting your cdl through the school bus, 🚌until automation creeps in a massive demand for it exists, being on the road all the time makes the day go faster & keeps the workplace drama to a minimum, you get to take the bus home after morning runs, and you get time off for the summer & holidays to figure out other things to get into, also with that license you could use that to get into coach or city bus or other forms of transportation, which will help you get back on your feet.
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
Yea I looked into that. There are some that pay you will you train. I am looking.
@SurfsUp9935 ай бұрын
BetterHelp
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
I’ve looked. It’s like $200+ per month.
@StudentofFlames-me3ie5 ай бұрын
Think of the positives. Roof over head. Your cats are welcome. You have stairs which are cool. There's enough space. You're not jobless even though pay isn't ideal. Also you now have a new reality through which to figure out things. It might be easier this time if you let it. Sometimes having less allows you to see what you really need and what you don't. For the smell, maybe steam cleaning might get the smell out. I would start there.
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
Thank you 🙏🏼🖤✨ And yes steam cleaning or washing the walls lol
@HuTcHHeeLaN5 ай бұрын
Bug hug to you. Have you ever explored 12 step meetings at all? Can be a relief a bit and help you feel less isolated. There’s an underearners anonymous too
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
Thanks for sharing. I can look into it.
@wilson89795 ай бұрын
As long as the smell is not mold then you are good.
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
Would I see the mold?
@ManifestingHotStuff4 ай бұрын
💙
@jmoore1014 ай бұрын
1:30 “idk…..idk…I don’t know….a lot….of anything.” Literally just turned 34 and this is my entire existence summarized in a single sentence. Subscribing and getting that tattooed ASAP 🥲
@ProgressWithChristina4 ай бұрын
😭 still feeling that way
@wilson89795 ай бұрын
I’m a single mom of 2 kids and my boyfriend is in jail for 12 months total. I’m co parenting with my narcissistic ex husband. I’m 40 and I’m tired of hustling as well. I’m an esthetician. I’m currently a waxer. We make pretty good money. You should look into waxing at a chain. You can make more then at great clips. A lot more. What is the smell from though?
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
Props to any moms out there. I don’t know how you do it. I’m not interested waxing, but maybe something I could look into. I have a cosmetology license, not sure if they require an esthetician license. I have no idea. It just smells old.
@neptunevibe5 ай бұрын
Guess what… im now in vacation but I plan to quit my job also when I return 😂… damn.. same pattern of action … I also have a corporate job and they killing me … i sleep 3-4 hours at night… I can’t take it anymore
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
What’s the job?
@neptunevibe5 ай бұрын
@@ProgressWithChristina I’m a computer technician… old management very exhausting
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
@@neptunevibe 😣
@NomadicNirvana4205 ай бұрын
Your going and coming is nowhere but where you are, friend "Progress" is a concept instilled into us since birth but it's just that; a concept Really isn't a concept Life is slendidly purposeless When the bird sings twiddly dwidly doo is that purposefully? Why do peacocks appear so splendid? Why do we laugh? What is the purpose of a song? You have everything you will ever need, look inside For the smell: it's just different and you're interpreting it the way you are Maybe the last person misses it 🤷♂️ Your heart will break again and again untill it opens I care about you and it opens my own heart to listen to you, I'm here for you and if you stopped posting because "something happened" I would be greatly saddened Much love, friend
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
Thank you so much for this. And yes if I ever stopped posting that would be why. 😣😭 Something I am fighting daily. Thanks for the support. 🙏🏼🖤✨
@NomadicNirvana4205 ай бұрын
@@ProgressWithChristina If you need a friend or want to talk on the phone to someone about It I'm here for you
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
I appreciate it. You can send me an email.
@BB-nv4rg5 ай бұрын
Whats your personality traits INFJ. Personality has alot to do with depression. Your inner feelings.
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
The last time I took the test it said I am INTJ.
@BB-nv4rg5 ай бұрын
@@ProgressWithChristina I'm a thinker also. 😊 Introvert, intuition, thinking, judge I've had depression all my life.
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
@BB-nv4rg thinking too much is an exhausting way to live lol.
@BB-nv4rg5 ай бұрын
@@ProgressWithChristina watch Galactic Guidence why you are alone no friends, no relationship. Replace the chosen one with INTJ 😊
@isaacflores935 ай бұрын
You pretty pretty
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
I appreciate it.
@isaacflores935 ай бұрын
@@ProgressWithChristina lmk if you'd be down to exchange emails sometime
@adammorra38135 ай бұрын
@@isaacflores93bro are you actually trying to slide into dm’s on youtube? Wtf not the place man
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
lol thank you for this.
@isaacflores935 ай бұрын
;)
@warriormessiah31344 ай бұрын
Damm what does the apartment smell like 😂
@ProgressWithChristina4 ай бұрын
lol not sure. Old?
@JackLopez-e9k5 ай бұрын
Hey Corporate girl.
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
Hello
@JackLopez-e9k5 ай бұрын
@@ProgressWithChristina You are going to be fine. Hang in there.
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
I appreciate that. 😣😭🙏🏼
@JackLopez-e9k5 ай бұрын
@@ProgressWithChristina Christina, here a cool song I listen to when things get a little rough. "I guess that's why they call it the blues" by Elton John. Let me know if it helps.
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
@user-tb5xu1gx7g thank you. Listening to it now. 🥹🙏🏼
@wilson89795 ай бұрын
I’m a single mom of 2 kids and my boyfriend is in jail for 12 months total. I’m co parenting with my narcissistic ex husband. I’m 40 and I’m tired of hustling as well. I’m an esthetician. I’m currently a waxer. We make pretty good money. You should look into waxing at a chain. You can make more then at great clips. A lot more
@Hometeam6835 ай бұрын
No idea why you would quit a job like that wow
@ProgressWithChristina5 ай бұрын
I don’t expect everyone to understand
@Hometeam6835 ай бұрын
Awfully judgmental of things from the 80s you’re gonna have to learn that if you want fancy things in life you gotta work for them