Crash only - Kitzbühel 1981

[@ole9421]

Ah, back when spectators were used as secondary catch fences. Those were the days.

[@robertmcnearny9222]

🤣🤣

[@Leitwolf22]

"aber er steht .... ah na, er fallt um" ;)

[@craterinspection]

+John Doe 2:23

[@KodziroHyuga]

"naaa, jetzt fallt er um"

[@Fischmac65]

er schlogt in da Luft a Radl

[@strictlyufc9241]

@@Fischmac65 dos isch brutal. Streit isch richtig brutal

[@dacat8171]

🤣👍🏾

[@estelja]

Those two compressions, right after Mausefalle and after Hausberg, were just brutal back then. Add in the powder conditions and flat light and it's a wonder that many of these guys didn't end their careers that day.

[@jays9211]

It’s amazing how poorly protected the races were from hitting large objects and or spectators back then

[@davidfroese8411]

Always remembered watching Steve Podborski whenever possible, a class act in person and a fearless competitor on the slopes

[@0091pati]

Krasse stürze :O .. Man muss aber auch sagen wenn diese stürze auf derzeitiger Eisstrecke mit den jetztigen Geschwindigkeiten passieren- hat das Krankenhaus jede menge Arbeit und die kommende Abfahrt keine Rennläufer mehr ^^

[@alexanderstackl1479]

Heute würde das Rennen abgebrochen werden bei so vielen Stürzen

[@dota934]

2:30 "Aber er steht... nah, jetzt fallt er um." :D

[@florianmeier3186]

wenigsens issa full doa - nanona er hängt nur völlig benebelt im Lattenzaun. Der Kommentator ist auch nicht ganz seriös.

[@michaelegert1284]

Sakrament. Da hats die Burschen echt bösen zerlegt 😮

[@precbsfender]

This is back when Kitz was the ultimate test of skill and guts, blue course dye, safety nets and speed control gates didn't exist.. these guys were tough...

[@andrewguthrie2]

They're still tough, that was pure insanity. I can't believe it was in the 1980s. It's a miracle more racers and fans weren't killed.

[@badacconosu]

They didnt go as fast as nowdays back then still crazy

[@precbsfender]

@@badacconosu they went fast enough, 80+ mph gets your attention pretty damn quick, one mistake at that speed could be fatal. No safety nets, just frozen hail bails and trees, they weighs heavy on your psyche.

[@aspenrebel]

How about test of insanity!! What is the definition of insanity? Trying the same thing over and over again, and expecting a different result.

[@precbsfender]

Many racers at Kitz during the 1980's reached speeds of 144 km.. that's 90+ MPH..

[@TheIndyace02]

Crazy stuff....did they just award the win to the skier who made the farthest down the course? Seems like the organizers would have had a clue after training runs that it was unsafe. Probably saw this on 'wild world of sports' when i was a kid. Always loved watching the downhill....still do.

[@aspenrebel]

The Winner was the skier who fell and slide the farthest!!!

[@Fischmac65]

2:23 oba er steht .... naaa... jetzt follt er um .... er schlogt... a RADL

[@mannlichesgehirn7689]

Nua Oans ? ...mei schoad ! 🤣🤣🤣

[@rainerklapeer810]

Wenn sich einer bei der Zwischenzeit ganz zwanglos von an Ski befreit...Es lebe der Sport...

[@funkjoker70]

...fahrt in die Garage @ 8:38 "Brüller" :D

[@Fischmac65]

... in die Garage

[@mitsukeshukira6261]

Hahahaha einfach in die Garage... Solche Trollen xD

[@manfredmunzer6102]

Waren damalsschon und sind heute noch VERRÜCKTE JUNGS 😮

[@YesSirPhil]

Also jene von heute sehen im Vergleich mit diesen Rennläufern hier wie ein paar überbezahlte Diven statt wie verrückte Jungs aus.

[@nessie43]

Man vergleiche mal den eher neutralen Tonfall der Kommentatoren mit den heutigen hysterischen männlichen Kreischanfällen, wenn mal einer in die Zäune rutscht.

[@MarcoLPGamingandMore]

nessie43 xD

[@davidsv6104]

nessie43 ja. Und was soll d. Du 😃😂

[@davidsv6104]

nessie43 da gibts 0 zu vergleichen. Du 😃

[@christophjannek5398]

Neutraler Tonfall ist gut... die geben ja eher noch Haltungsnoten für die Abflüge^^

[@NoelKerns]

That flat light is a killer; guys just dropping from relatively minor undulations they couldn't even see.

[@michaelbowers3842]

was wondering how much visibility played a part in this. every bump in the course seems to take them by surprise

[@aspenrebel]

yeah, you can't see how the course goes, the drops, etc. Until you hit something or land.

[@aspenrebel]

@@michaelbowers3842 Yeah, cuz they can't see them clearly.

[@Underhills]

From a time where downhill was crazy with equipment and slopes way less stable than today. Very different compared to today's prepared highway slopes.

[@andrewguthrie2]

With Hans Enn, 3:00 - 4:35, could they not see how absolutely insane this was? Why would you even stand there?

[@Endeavour30]

It was normal back then.

[@sajmondytlow9671]

Nice bamboo fence

[@Underhills]

Preventing them from bouncing back and receiving serious backlash injuries. The spectators were placed near the fences to take some of the impact for the racers.

[@andrewguthrie2]

I believe you. Also some flying skis could remove a few of their heads.

[@bobelliott2748]

These skiers have a lot of kinetic energy

[@davidreynolds4715]

Back in my my day we called these yard sales! I was an instructor at Steamboat Springs many many years ago and those of us that worked on the mountain couldn't wait for the snow to melt away in the late spring. Why? 'Cause then we could go "shopping" on the slopes. Skis, poles, goggles, cameras, video recorders. (No cell phones back in my day.) We'd find wallets, purses, back packs, virtually anything. Christmas all over again!!!

[@aspenrebel]

Ohhhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!

[@RUETTI3MAA]

".. in dem seiner Person will ma ned drinne sein" :) Schon krass, so viele Stürze in einem Rennen. Sturzraum Zuschauer. Skifahrer sind Gladiatoren

[@Freimopp777]

122 doctors liked this.

[@aspenrebel]

Hey Doc! Hey Doc! It hurts when I do this. Doc: Then don't do that! Hey Gee Doc, that's great! Thanks!

[@notableart1246]

Sag mal, das Rennen hätte man abbrechen müssen, bei so vielen Stürzen in der hinteren Gruppe

[@getupstairstobed]

Thanks for posting. The majority of Winter Olympics has always been poorly designed for safety. To give them credit no sport back then had simple life saving cost effective measures we wouldn't be without today be it football with the stadiums, motorsport with medical response so on. With WO though there is the speed and the dangers like trees and rocks. Somebody died as recently as 1994 just because a boulder wasn't covered up. How pathetic. 5.07 is an absolute joke.

[@aspenrebel]

Back when Men were Men!!!

[@IStMl]

still are@@aspenrebel

[@1224polo]

Lot of broken miniscus, ACL and PCL ligaments... 😨😨😨 I can't look at this...

[@mountexplo]

damals muss man schon lebensmüde gewesen sein... die pisten seinerzeit waren in derart schlechtem zustand. Es verwundert nicht, dass es so viele stürze gab.

[@JB91710]

The light is so bad and the trail surface so ruff that the skiers can't anticipate the surface conditions and their legs collapse.

[@PeterPretorius-]

Man sieht, wie viele Fahrer an der Mausefalle "Vorspringen" um den Sprung zu verkürzen und damit schneller zu sein. Bei 7:77 sieht man es besonders gut. Es scheint damals sehr schwierig gewesen zu sein was die Strecke betrifft.

[@the_rover1]

7:43

[@suuky5232]

Krass wie viele direkt nach den stürzen wieder aufgestanden sind

[@suuky5232]

@GGG.PH. klar sind trotzdem heftige stürze bei wo einige erstmal liegen geblieben wären. aber denke kaum das die am Nächsten morgen munter aufgestanden sind 😂😅

[@aspenrebel]

Seems to be an awful lot of powder for a DH. Oh good start @10:28. You might want to tighten your bindings a wee bit more there, pal.

[@rfvtgbzhn]

@Randy Alberts: Yes, they had many bumps, but ski races at that time where not such a big business as they are today so probably they did not put as much extra effort in the grooming of the track for the World Cup as they do today and maybe it also was not closed for tourists so long before. But the speeds where slower than it is now, so it was still possible to cope with the track at least for the good skiers.

[@jays9211]

Speeds were pretty quick back then. At the ‘82 Olympics in Lake Placid they were traveling over 80 miles an hour in certain parts

[@rfvtgbzhn]

​@@jays9211 80 mph is about 130 km/h. This is quite fast but today they reach up to 140 km/h in Kitzbühel and up to 160 km/h in Wengen. So they are a little faster today. But especially today the cornering speeds are higher and most crashes happen when they go around corners and lose their grip because they overlook a bump or make some other kind of error. You can also see this in the fact that on some classic races like Kitzbühel they had to change the course a little to avoid getting even higher speeds.

[@IStMl]

not sure it makes such a big diff during falls@@rfvtgbzhn

[@dwa_3507]

Balls of steel...

[@mannlichesgehirn7689]

Der Sturz hat scho guad ausgschaut...so fürs Auge...🤣🤣🤣

[@denismanarin2184]

Incredibile oggi annullerebbero subito la gara fortuna che non e' successo qualcosa di grave, che spettacolo indecente.

[@annl2037]

1981 COMPUTER OLIVETTI - ITALY,,,first personal computer many years before apple and microsoft.........

[@aspenrebel]

OMG!! An Olivetti, I remember those.

[@janf2893]

"Deis hot jetzt beissa ausgschaut indn zaun eini" XD

[@cb_rismon]

Er sagt bös nicht bessa

[@approachingmax]

Legendär😅

[@prod_adrian]

3:50 "Ja freilich, da ist man bisserl benommen, ist ja klar!" XD

[@craterinspection]

3:46

[@nillejoslin]

What the heck is the guy at 8:38 doing? Looks like the entry of Steilhang. Opting out, perhaps? Understandable.

[@SanderAnderon]

what, all these crashes were at the '81 Kitz alone??!!! the course back then was SO bumpy, like downhilling a mogul field... compared to safety nets now the racers today have it easy

[@Fischmac65]

4:55 ... jetzt steht er wieder.... naaaaa .... und muss sich niederlegen ....:-)

[@craterinspection]

--> 5:22

[@rfvtgbzhn]

1:33-1:45 stimmt so nicht, die Mausefalle hat knapp unter 45° (laut Wikipedia maximal 85%, also ca. 40°) und so schauts auf dieser Aufnahme auch aus, wenn man oben steht schauts wegen der anderen Perspektive viel steiler aus und auch aus besseren Perspektiven (z.B. von der Seite, falls man die Umfahrung fährt und dort dann stehen bleibt um sichs anzuschauen) "Live" steiler aus, aber das ist ein psychologischer Effekt, der eben bewirkt, dass man im realen Raum Höhen stärker wahrnimmt als Längen, was bei 2D-Bildern wie im TV nicht so ausgeprägt ist. Jedenfalls gabs bei der abfahrt 1981 im Vergleich zu heute extrem viele Stürze...

[@Simon_Mtta]

Sind da eigentlich alle gestürzt?

[@GION03]

gute Frage...haha!

[@davidsv6104]

Simon Ziegler nein ! Lern lesen.

[@Simon_Mtta]

David Sv Was bist du für ein Batschak. Ich rede von ganzen Rennen und nicht nur von dem Video.

[@davidsv6104]

Simon Ziegler 1. Ein sexier Blatschak ? 2. Dann schreib es so wie du es meinst..du Blatschack. Prost 🍺🐜

[@davidsv6104]

Simon Ziegler hier ist yt ! 😃. Du verstehst mich.

[@zdistav]

Ten rok vyhrál kombinaci Čech Bohumír Zeman! ;) ...jinak ti lidé tam všude okolo, to mě fascinuje...

[@MarcoLPGamingandMore]

wenn man vergleicht die heutigen an Fahrer verletzten sich leicht und 1981 macht er ne7n saldo und geht's gut

[@larissa143]

Marco LP Gaming and More Heute ist der Speed aber auch viel extremer

[@richteralexanderhold5629]

Yoshiii Toplisten and more früher war das alles noch SPORT! jetzt gehts nur um die kohle und das marketing etc etc

[@davidsv6104]

Richter Alexander Hold Leider.

[@davidsv6104]

Richter Alexander Hold ohne Sponsor brauchst nicht mal anzutreten.

[@Lukas-kh5gu]

und das ist nicht offensichtlich wieso? schau dir mal das extreme material von heute an, die extrem trainierten sportler und die damit entstehenden brutalen kräfte. damals war ein sturz bei 3/4 der geschwindigkeit auch noch nicht so heftig. wenn's dich heute auf der streif zerlegt sind die bänder im normalfall ab.

[@josemiguelcunat]

The dead corredor,foggie,fast& bumpie,good mix to hell ,now is bit diferente but dngerous as well

[@aspenrebel]

What the hell did the guy do at 5:45? I have never seen anything like that before!! He bent over and put his head in the snow!! Why?

[@nillejoslin]

Compression.

[@aspenrebel]

Ist Rule of Falling in Skiing: If you are falling, then fall. Let it go, don't try to fight it or recover. Get your skis out of the snow and keep them out. Get onto your back or side/back and slide. Do not bounce or roll or spin. Wait until you stop moving. It is when the skis got back down onto the snow, and grip, that injuries happen. Good thing I trained in some Judo as a little kid, so when I went skiing I knew how to fall.

[@alexw9016]

Yes & no. That’s a Good Idea for the Average skier at 30mph. At higher speeds the fence or trees come at you fast if you slide like a turtle on it‘s back. Then you need some sort of friction. But Overall: Yes, you‘re absolutely Right.

[@ruymxsx7]

Esa pista estaba muy complicada, quizás la visibilidad del terreno tampoco era buena, pero ya se ve porque antes le daba más miedo el Descenso a los corredores de esquí.

[@getupstairstobed]

They let spectators stand precariously on maybe a 6' drop and put the barriers so close to the edge. I hope they were ok. 3 spectators looked to have been injured at least because they were put so close to a sport where the competitors may be doing 80-90mph at that point. What's a car do on tarmac with no brakes. It just goes on for more than 100s metres. What's a human do on ice with no brakes. Takes just as long. Beggars belief they let this go on.

[@marcocasati6953]

did anyone actually make it down?

[@IStMl]

why tf would they run during flat light on a bumpy piste

[@chrisuo6295]

Früher sinds wieder aufgestanden mit einen Grinser - heute kommt der Hubschrauber , das Rennen wird ewig unterbrochen und als Höhepunkt ändern sie jetzt auch noch die Strecke im Zielhang... lauter Memmen

[@niklasriede8383]

Klar is ja voll angenehm mit 100 km/h + auf den eisplatten zu landen.... Früher waren sie nie so schnell und die Strecken waren nicht so hart

[@chrisuo6295]

@@niklasriede8383 genau das gegenteil ist der Fall - Tempo war früher genau so hoch und die pisten waren härter . Schau dir Video von der Planai 1973 an. Pures Eis

[@niklasriede8383]

@@chrisuo6295 ich bin fest davon ausgegangen dass durch die neuen ski das Tempo höher ist

[@chrisuo6295]

@@niklasriede8383 eher nicht früher war bei Abfahrten die Strecke viel direkter gesetzt sieht man am besten am Lauberhorn.

[@niklasriede8383]

@@chrisuo6295okay danke dir

[@mannlichesgehirn7689]

No net ? Crazy ...

[@PipinhoSnow]

ouch.......

[@polycrase]

YARD SALE!

[@Butch1983]

Men of iron!!

[@vladimiravramovic3959]

Steve Podborski Kitzbuhell 1981

[@Realtarquinn]

Does someone know if Jean-Marc Muffat (at 7.36) is somehow related to the actual french skier Victor Muffat Jeandet?

[@bxgdyi6512]

Ikr

[@jays9211]

That’s just what I was thinking when I saw the name

[@mikulitsi1819]

3:00 God damn...

[@КириллГолубков-и6й]

Это жесть

[@vladimiravramovic3959]

Hans Enn's crash is probably the most awful ever!?

[@Ap-Man]

Replace ‚Downhill Race‘ with ‚Mogul Contest‘

[@davidsv6104]

Holy Fucc

[@lenaj5905]

auwe mich hots a scho moi in Kitzbühl gschmissen

[@MarcoLPGamingandMore]

lena j dos interessiert jeden

[@photography_pramei]

lena j juckt?

[@davidsv6104]

lena j man sieht nichts 😊😉

[@Harrypjotter7]

Ah save sheep fence’s

[@mariocosentino20]

Gli organizzatori miliardari non avevano pietà per gli atleti. Pista dissestata ma lo spettacolo deve andare avanti. Pensando solo al dio denaro. Che schifo

[@BladerDark1]

Тяжёлая трасса.

[@davidsv6104]

BladerDark1 ?

[@davidsv6104]

BladerDark1 vodka ha 😃

[@andrewguthrie2]

Tyazhyolaya trassa, if that helps.

[@marcolpaustriaspielt1244]

55 Sekunden vom Kommentator einfach mall woar Gör nett schlimm

[@craterinspection]

0:50

[@corradorosi9332]

Inammissibile fare una discesa libera.una delle piu' pericolose del circuito con la neve fresca.dovevano essere denunciati gli organizzatori.

[@Cristorei123]

8:37

[@s0rc1]

zeitgeschichte

[@netlink196803161903]

Damals war man noch tough. Sicherheit ? Minimal, und es hat sich keiner aufgeregt. Wer es nicht will, kann ja daheimbleiben....

[@EdoBoACR]

Perché cascano da soli?

[@davidsv6104]

Edoardo Bo ?

[@davidsv6104]

Edoardo Bo lern englisch du fiat

[@davidsv6104]

Edoardo Bo midgetmodel 😂

[@lucpothier4954]

X

[@dlbdlb4982]

That course does not look good, should cancel the horrible event.

[@michaelwimmer5966]

Die Rennleiter ziehes das Rennen eiskalt durch 🤦‍♂️