Input Devices: Crash Course Games #24

[@Bobdibob]

No time for a few seconds on the N64 trigger button? That plus the directional stick really made Goldeneye!

[@wagrhodes13]

no love for mouse and keyboard?

[@arunistrying]

PC gaming was a couple weeks ago

[@Suprsim]

Why does that matter? If we're excluding systems because they've been covered, they certainly should've left a lot more out. But I'm also disappointed they didn't include Steel Battalion's controller.

[@Theraot]

I have seen mouse and keyboard on snes, dreamcast, playstation and xbox. Yeah, on PC too.

[@catlordenzo]

The mouse and keyboard is generally not designed for gaming. They have some for gaming, but generally the amount of research and development for console controllers is many times higher than for mouse and keyboard.

[@dalmationblack]

And even with all that RnD they still can't rival the accuracy...

[@prayaskandel8963]

Nintendo SWITCHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!

[@armchairrocketscientist4934]

I'm excited for the design opportunities with the switch.

[@aghollingsworth]

And we can look forward to the initial success of the Switch leading to industry, powerhouse, cell phone manufacturer's (like Apple, Samsung, LG, etc.) coming out with their latest smart phone innovation... BUTTONS! I'm sorry, but this reminds me a lot of my friend (who is a decade younger than me) showing off his Note phone, and I was there thinking "a stylus... if only they thought of that back in the 90's with PDA's" Everything old is new again... apparently.

[@Deathmastertx]

Ehhhhh. The switch looks like it's going to be an underpowered console and an overly-large handheld. I, personally, would not get it. Not a Nintendo fan anyway.

[@fuzziestlumpkin]

Secular Humanist you're not wrong that it looks like it will be underpowered... a tegra just isn't enough for a console. And the fact that it's arm means development may be an issue. But I'll buy it, because new Zelda.

[@danielbaxa8118]

Grade A Under A's You watch this wow

[@JL897139]

You forgot about the oldest input device: Mouse and Keyboard

[@TheMasonX23]

T3MP0 Oldest, and still best for many things (especially with an MMO mouse with a num pad for your thumb)

[@troy4393]

I'm quite certain that two position mechanical switch came first.

[@TorquemadaTwist]

+skevoid You've hit on a golden idea: A video game using punch cards. Look at all the retro stuff the hipsters love getting into, this could be the smash underground hit no one saw coming. The card stock would be organic and locally sourced for maximum cache. We've just got to workshop the title, I'm thinking "Waddaya mean I'm late?"

[@UnashamedlyHentai]

This series has serially ignored PC gaming.

[@brianshea2515]

My parents met a IBM during the punch card era. Computer Dating?

[@ConstantineKrystallis]

I will add Nintendo's Duck Hunt Gun to the missing input devices alongside keyboard and mouse as have been mentioned.

[@jonmarck]

Love this series! Go Andre!

[@iamimiPod]

Power Glove?

[@bryn5238]

I love these so much! 💙🎮

[@kristianwilliams441]

As much as I'm loving this series, I kind of wish that more time was spent on other games than video games.

[@Merto6]

so much peasantry in this series... crash course peasantry

[@1990drewman]

Mentok! The mind taker! Nice reference!

[@GloriaNak]

You left out the track ball controller. This was the controller for the ultimate and best of the classic arcade era games, Centipede! Love this series.

[@RayArias]

The Atari style joystick had EIGHT directions. It was basically constructed as a four-button electronic pad mounted below a stick with 4 tabs that would press each of the 4 buttons as the stick was moved about. However, when the stick was moved diagonally (up-left, up-right, down-left, or down-right) 2 of these buttons would be pressed simutaneously, effectively informing the game that the player wished to move diagonally. BTW, this is how most home versions of Qbert functioned, by reading the diagonal movements of the joystick as combinations of vertical and horizontal electronic button presses, although I believe the original arcade version actually set the electronic buttons under the joystick at the 4 diagonal positions instead.

[@7dark7shadow]

you never mentioned the eyetoy , which had games come out in 2003 and was similar to the kinect

[@urlocaljelly]

I thought the people on the thumbnail were dabbing lol

[@Quinnknights]

Will always prefer the accuracy of input from ps1/2 arrows over any analogue stick for fighting games. inputting ^ > > ^ (x) without pressing a diagonal is priceless. though of course for moving a character in a 3D environment the stick is best. I am not at all a fan of the motion controls in general. Again, accuracy in control is important. Having said that, i love seeing innovations in the area. Growth & experimentation is a good thing.

[@Kreacher3]

Love the Mentok the Mindtaker reference at the end.

[@angeldude101]

Everyone's complaining about the lack of KBM, but I was hoping to see the Steam Controller.

[@kennythegamer1]

Why wasn't the mouse and keyboard not mentioned? The Keyboard provides the ability to convey text, and the mouse is the most precise and accurate pointing device.

[@bigbadferg7356]

Why didn't he go over the fact that the most precise and reactive controller is actually a mouse? Aversion to PC gaming?

[@warezpl0]

because console fanboys would down vote the video.

[@flinx]

He also skipped every light gun, racing wheel, full-size joysticks, trackballs and the Power Glove.

[@Tfin]

Light guns are a thing that might have deserved mentioning. The trackball is essentially a stationary mouse, and those are also a unique group. Larger joysticks (I had several back in the '90s) are just iterations on the ones covered; they were an advanced form of the 2600's stick. Racing Wheels are similarly related to the 2600's paddle controller (and usually not the driving controller that looked the same but had different guts). The Power Glove is best forgotten.

[@GamermanZendrelax]

I would guess that it has more to do with time constraints and the keyboard and mouse not being designed for use in gaming. Their sheer versatility definitely makes them very effective game controllers, and rare is the strategy game that can survive without the accuracy of a mouse, but the ending already felt a little rushed. And they didn't even get to mention the Switch, which they're probably super annoyed about right now.

[@Tfin]

***** Yeah, a console that doesn't yet exist is fodder for news and rumor channels, it has no place here.

[@aghollingsworth]

Great Video! It was very informative; the only criticism I can think of is you didn't touch on mouse and keyboard. I know they weren't created for gaming, but they are classic gaming input devices that are used to this day in PC gaming (as well as some console gaming like mario paint).

[@leobat7007]

Dude, you left mouse and keyboard out! Seriously, a lot of games are a nightmare without mouse.

[@mrg5973]

did he make a harvey birdman attorney at law reference!!! nice mind taking

[@Jacob-Day]

THE MIND TAKER!

[@BlackNerdComedy]

Aww I was hoping someone would notice :)

[@htaed23]

Cody Gibson I agree. I think he did make a Mentok the Mind Taker reference

[@allisonmarston9777]

When I was a kid, my sister and I would use dance pad controllers to play Budokai. Not practical but very fun :D

[@IdoloR]

Was that a Harvey Birdman reference at the end?

[@Malfunct1onM1ke]

WASD Masterrace!!!

[@SanctuaryReintegrate]

ESDF was here. WASD is a loser!!

[@TriaMaxwell]

I'm sorry, do you exist? Never heard of you, ESDF

[@BBBuilds12]

MalfunctionM1Ke my right pinky feels so useless during games

[@Malfunct1onM1ke]

BenCubed You need a different mouse ;)

[@gamiezion]

use it to keep TABS on your in game enemies. don't worry, i'll show myself out.

[@GoldenRockefeller]

The Xbox Kinetic is now used in Robotics.

[@elhachemibouali5786]

Harvey Birdman reference!

[@varana]

Calling that episode "Controllers" would've been a lot more appropriate. But generally "Input Devices", and then no keyboard, no mouse, no joystick except for that very first one? You could do a whole episode like this one just for joystick "ages". You know, people actually play(ed) using those. The focus of this series is ... puzzling, sometimes. Wasn't this about _games_ somewhere, instead a very particular subset of video games?

[@mestre12]

Game shows next week, hell yeah. You guys from USA are lucky. Because, you guys have a channel that only show game show. Watch Family Feud is fun. Also, nice reference on Harvey Birdman: Attoney at Law on the ending.

[@TacTwo]

Andre is a great host, I like his delivery style and cadence - though that could be due to the editor aswell... good teamwork!

[@BlackNerdComedy]

Thank you!! And if you see any of the blooper episodes, you'll see the editors help a lot ha ha!

[@Alfosan2010]

Last time I was this early, Nintendo released a new console...

[@Fester11235]

Better than Saturday morning cartoons!

[@midnight990]

*Mentions Mario Party blisters, *looks at hand. AHHHHHH

[@EnragedSephiroth]

Gumpei Yokoi, the man.

[@david_in_perth]

FYI: This video appears to be missing from the Crash Course: Games playlist

[@elektrikhd]

Just as a gamer who is developing arthritis in my early 30s and experiencing some nerve issues, I'm very interested in developments in alternate control devices, particularly for existing types of games. I can't play games for very long before my hands start cramping up or even going numb, particularly with keyboard and mouse controls.

[@KravenErgeist]

It's a shame this episode was likely recorded prior to the revelation of the Nintendo Switch. It would have been interesting to hear their take on the new input device.

[@Unplanted]

Hey, why do you record these videos with 24 fps when they're exclusively played on the internet and not on broadcast TV? Higher fps like 30 or 60 would make them much better.

[@afnaniman1177]

I'm not a Patreon, but I've been watching this channel's videos for a looooooong time now, and I think it'd be rad if you guys remade your Biology and Chemistry playlist! Anyone with me? :D

[@unvergebeneid]

I haven't used an Xbone controller yet but one important shortcoming of the Xbox 360 controller IMHO is the d-pad. It's fine for a button press or two but if you want to use it for a longer period of time, it's in a really awkward position. When playing SNES games on an emulator with my 360 controller, I always find myself switching back to the analog stick. The PS4 controller doesn't have this issue.

[@devashishpandey4810]

please don't stop making videos on phy and chem...they are very helpful :)

[@LifeInspector]

mouse and keyboard is one of the oldest and best controllers; why did you leave it out?

[@josuesanchez6526]

Not that unique to gaming. Not relevant to "gaming"

[@radagastwiz]

Vi Hart at 0:18!

[@JM-us3fr]

Is it really?

[@radagastwiz]

QED Pretty sure - she has the trademark arm warmers, and she's been busy with a lot of Oculus stuff lately.

[@carbontwelve3915]

now you guys have to do aa whole video on keyboards and mice

[@flinx]

This is a keyboard. This is a mouse. This is an arcade stick. This is a trackball. This is the Nintendo Power Glove. These are light guns for the NES, Master System, SNES, and Genesis. This is a racing wheel. This is a joystick with throttle and pedals. Thank you for watching Crash Course Input Devices for the Easily Slighted.

[@flinx]

***** as far as users are concerned and can tell from using them, I disagree. The improvements are under the plastic. As a way of inputting commands, very little has changed. Mice got ergonomic, a wheel, and more buttons. Keyboards can now register more than one key press at a time.

[@n3on_n3rd]

+flinx You obviously haven't used an LED lit mechanical keyboard. But i agree with you for the most part.

[@CaryDominic123]

7:18 Yes, Dance Central was the Best!! Still waiting for a new Dance Central game...

[@Digital.Justin]

What about the motion sensor inside the DS3? hence the sixaxis namesake.

[@bartz0rt928]

I've never really played q-bert, but can't you just rotate a normal stick/d-pad 45 degrees?

[@ScootaReader]

What you suggest is blasphemy.

[@dajacra]

That's what I had to do when I had it on the Commodore 64 with the joystick. Also, when I played Marble Madness on the NES.

[@Minty1337]

I would totally play a game based on a Mongolian archer

[@swenerickson1704]

That Mentok the Mindtaker reference though.

[@vivangupta4928]

Can you make a series on Earth Science?

[@andrewgalati3406]

I cant help but think they planned this series to end right on the League of Legends championship tournament. I will be disappointed if they don't take this into account sometime soon with a pro gaming episode.

[@silvergiovanni2658]

will this episode be edited to cover the nintendo Switch?

[@htaed23]

was that a Mentok the Mind Taker reference?

[@Varatho]

To be honest, the touchscreen is the absolute worst input device you can use, it mixes your output with your input. It's only advantage is that it saves space. Also, no mouse and keyboard? I didn't expect any of the more esoteric devices like the full-cockpits they use in flight simulators, but even Nintendo had a mouse.

[@josemvacar]

Why there's no mention of the Steam Controller? Its versatility as an input device could make for a full episode, and considering that even copy-pasted Xbox controllers got screentime, the SC deserved at least a shoutout.

[@DieWeltIstSchlecht]

Mouse/Keyboard?

[@HooD42-2]

Was that a Mentok the Mindtaker reference?

[@MaraK_dialmformara]

I think you missed an opportunity on that ending joke. You could have called them mind games.

[@JohnRaptor]

Cue PC gamers complaining that you didn't talk about the keyboard and mouse. Oh look, there's one! And another! And another. And another. And ten more.

[@ConradJD777]

dang right

[@liwendiamond9223]

I fail to see any flaw whatsoever in this argument. May the frames be with you.

[@SlavaMironov]

No coverage of keyboard & mouse? Why?

[@HistoricaHungarica]

Because they will mention them after the microphone and scanner. Those are also input devices you know.

[@SlavaMironov]

HistoricaHungarica Oh, I'm sorry, I didn't know that one of the most popular gaming control setups was actually the scanner + microphone combo.

[@HedgehogStudios1]

Modern controllers. So precise that you have to have aim assist to play.

[@TheJayman213]

Did anybody else notice that out of 6 people (real or animated) to hold a Wiimote and Nunchuck in this video only 1 was right handed?

[@lostinlymbo13]

Echo the keyboard and mouse absence. And why did you only hint about the Emotiv (spelling) brain to computer interface??? Other than that, great over view.

[@pandemis]

Original NES controllers also had 1 built in microphone. See Zelda voice commands.

[@MagicTurtle643]

I know Nintendo didn't solely come up with the motion technology of the Wii, but it was SOOO funny to me when Playstation came out with the Move. It was such a blatant pathetic rip off I still laugh at it to this day. Funny thing is, I heard the guy who basically designed the motion technology approached Sony at first and they turned him down. I could have that wrong, but that makes it even funnier.

[@tristragyopsie5464]

Motion tracking controls can be useful, but like any input device, they are not going to take over the market or become the center of the IO world. While their flop was inevitable their creation will open doors if they leave a good enough footprint and are left OPEN for others to play with. In fact, we would have had a lot of this much sooner if the Power Glove had been more accessible for hobbyists and tech geeks to overcome its weaknesses. I would say it won't be long before that old flop gets more than a few revisits as people play with 3D printing and new cheap tiny sensors and input methods. If it can be made lite, comfortable, cheap, and adjustable in size, it would be the most natural style of VR controller we could ever have. For example, an Idea that is well within the bounds of what we have now a wrist-strapped device with an IR range sensor pointed at the back of the hand to detect hand angle, sensors in the band to detect when the hand is open or closed and possibly gestures. then a gyroscopic sensor for orientation of the whole thing, and a reflective surface of a certain color picked up by something like a camera could give almost all the info needed to have real in-game control of objects. though it does leave the disconnect of you not actually haveing anything in your hand. I would build something like this myself, but I am not only broke but very very VERY poor. As with many of my ideas I expect people to eventually stumble onto the same idea and run with it, and I look forward to seeing where it goes.

[@metabeard3788]

no mention of Guitar Hero or Rock Band?

[@JakeyBoy37]

yes mention of Guitar Hero and Rock Band

[@Mercury13kiev]

Specialized controllers? Wheels, joysticks, etc.?

[@VrajPandya]

Still no RTS?

[@ianrbuck]

How about the Steam Controller??

[@corenlavolpe2676]

I imagine you'll cover the Nintendo Switch at some point.

[@loayfelali6107]

same🙁

[@flinx]

The original Game Boy did it first with a cable that connected two Game Boys together.

[@charliepie1212]

What about touchpad input?

[@KrpticSypher]

Left out the Play Station Eye Toy on PS1, for motion tracking.

[@morereasonable]

your vice principal is Mike hunt?

[@Tuchulu]

I like the seam controller

[@Furiousgrom]

The thumbnail looks like two mongols dabbing like crazy. LIT!!

[@m2000x]

Why is this on Crash Course?

[@gryphonavocatio]

Me! Mentok! The mind-taker!!

[@Lazarosaliths]

its nice when you dont include pc gaming and forget about the pc master race in such a video!!!

[@pjcasabuena]

So much Mongols!😎🔥

[@gwpcs]

Shame you completely overlooked the sim gaming controllers (steering wheels, flight controls etc) and 'PC master race' inputs.

[@GalFisher]

What about the.. POWER GLOVE?

[@liwendiamond9223]

Sony sent controller prototypes to FPS devs to optimize the experience... FPS devs must be like : That's cute. Now here's a keyboard and mouse you can plug into your PS4.

[@samvimes9510]

Mouse and Keyboard - best controller for FPS and strategy games Xbox 360 - best controller for everything else

[@thinkpol1984]

So true about Q*Bert

[@Marinealver]

Now the motion devices are gone, Kennect has gone the way of the Virtural Boy, and everything is developed more for DRM and more monitization..

[@arcadus]

steam controller?

[@djprogramer973]

You forgot the Sony Eyetoy. It sucked but it was a first attempt at interactive play.

[@RMoribayashi]

Did anyone ever try putting a mini trackball in a controller?

[@EmperorTikacuti]

The released Nintendo Switch in March 2017, we'll sees if it defeats both Sony and Microsoft.

[@juancarlosromero1544]

I think the Switch looks like a brilliant piece of hardware. It's like the development just took the Wii U gamepad and made it into it's only stand alone system, but with some heavy technological improvements. I don't think I'll use it on a TV though. I hope my friends get it so I can play multiplayer games with them :)

[@EmperorTikacuti]

Juan Carlos Romero I agree.

[@darkmage07070777]

You mean you have to use your *hands*?! That's a baby's game!

[@LyssandraNorton]

shout out to the 'nerd fighter' machine around 2 mintues!

[@HistoricaHungarica]

It's Astro Fighter.

[@LyssandraNorton]

Yes I know. Sorry for being unclear. The title of NerdFighter came about in an early vlogbrothers video where John explained playing this game and misreading the title initially and then the term 'NerdFighter' was born.

[@nicolasfox564]

What if the input device is about a dozen bananas with wiring running through them? Someone actually did this on twitch.

[@digitalsublime]

The arcade joystick was first on arcades

[@JM-us3fr]

I'd play a mind controlled game. I heard there was one game that tracks your eyes

[@EnragedSephiroth]

Wait wait... you left out WASD and Mouse!

[@yourfilmindustry]

i am disappoint that the steam controller was not mentioned

[@qazhr]

If anybody still does not believe that at this point that the other kinds of games were shoved in here so we can say crash course games instead of crash course video games is now in denial

[@varana]

Crash Course: Console Video Games, With A Little Bit Of Other Stuff Randomly Thrown In. ;)

[@varana]

***** As I've just sunk 18 hours into Civ6 over the last two days - strategy and simulation games are basically exclusively PC, too. (And nearly always keyboard/mouse.) So yep - there's a huge part missing. Not to speak of not-video games which was also dealt with in a rather ... short way.

[@veilen]

This guy really hates PC gaming. He mentioned minor modifications of XBOX controller but didn't comment on Steam Controller which introduced some quite interesting innovations. And of course ommiting mouse and keyboard as ultimate controllers for some games is a sign for major incompetence.