Crazy Nazi Debates me on the “Trotsky Jewish Question" and I’m Lost

[@s4nari]

First sign of a Nazi: When you ask them to produce historical facts, they start debating what history should be counted.

[@nukiradio]

Hyyyep

[@s4nari]

@@legaltowter9811 I would like to hear your reference for literally any liberal (who is an actual liberal, and not a crackpot) trying to deny history. That is the mark of the fascists sir.

[@AngryCerealMilk]

Omfg I'm from Germany and we have Neo Nazis here and that's exactly what they do. "Well, you can't say that, that has nothing to do with it!" You cannot talk with them, like at all

[@benhillman8384]

@@s4nari Did I just get whooshed? Not to be combative, but you're asking for citation of times when liberals are selective of which sources matter... while also saying "hey but only these sources matter, no outliers please." Everyone does it.

[@robbuelens]

@@benhillman8384 The average historian has centre right leanings, Yet they are rarely ever used as a source by the extreme right (because even if they ever read books those have shit like illuminati symbols combined with the star of David on the cover). Even outward communists use the writings of these conservative historians. But if it is your intention to say that left wing people don't see PragerU and other propagandistic ramblings as a reputable source, then you are right.

[@kingk1rby]

I like how this dude walked into the stream like an anime villain “This has been a long time coming” - some random dude we’ve never heard of

[@spicylemon6255]

WH OMEGALOL

[@casperchristiansen2458]

It's sort of like the Riddler.

[@rahibtaher5813]

Oh you’re approaching me

[@raz1572]

"Heh. Let's see if you're as good as they say"

[@SirThinks2Much]

Vaush’s face was even like “Nani?!?”

[@MayroSMM]

vaush please im going to explode is this a real person

[@evillittlemcnuggets]

Yes unfortunately

[@Paramecium914]

Oh shoot, Mayro is a Vaush fan? Small world.

[@supermutantsam1160]

I can’t stop laughing at Vaush realizing that the guy was still talking while muted, holy shit this is the funniest “debate” since the binder dude

[@spootot]

@@Paramecium914 comrade mayro?

[@Paramecium914]

@ANA HAS BEEN RESURRECTED Because the guy wouldn't stop talking to breathe much less have a conversation.

[@DmitriPolkovnik]

History honours and Russian speaker here. Fun fact the magazine Russian Word (Russkoye Slovo) stopped publishing 16 years before Trotsky was born. The quotation is comically fake.

[@StrawberryDubs]

ooo thanks. i knew but I didnt know why or how. If only Vaush had known he would have sent him packing faster

[@angelikaskoroszyn8495]

According to Wikipedia what you said is true but obviously Wikipedia is run by the Jews /s

[@sargonsblackgrandfather2072]

“Prove my made up quote is fake!!!” Because yeah that’s how that works 🤷🏻‍♂️

[@KDH-br6hy]

🤣🤣👌🏿

[@nukiradio]

Burden of proof usually isnt an ACTUAL burden, but with *this* guy 😒

[@antoncid5044]

Leprechauns are real, they're just undetectable. Prove me wrong. Source? Well I have this one random guy who wrote that once. Now prove me wrong.

[@joro550]

Im not trying to stand up for the guy because he was completely off the rails, but he provided a (to his mind) a completely legit source of information and was waiting for @vaush to tell him how he was wrong. The problem came when vaush said he wanted more proof this guy went completely off the rails and went into "well how do you know any quote is real" and standards legitness. I think his biggest problem is that he was asking for some sort of standard but wouldn't allow vaush to actually give a standard instead just talking over him

[@hellenbak_1156]

I always laugh when I see your username 😂

[@Fait231]

Replace "zionists" with "templars" and these guys could write a great assassins creed game.

[@Eternaldark866]

I'd play it.

[@gamesavvy9491]

hahahaahah, ohh man..

[@henquat2828]

Holy shit an assassins creed in the Jewish question universe would be insane. Like with the talmud and shit.

[@_extrathicc]

Considering how zionist control the US (funny thing, they are not even jews, they are evangelicals), if you replace zionist with templars real life becomes AC xd

[@PancakemonsterFO4]

Too bad it's plagiarized

[@hellsfortune7132]

literally an unskippable cutscene

[@idkwhat2typelol]

Nice picture m8

[@zeyode]

@@idkwhat2typelol Yeah, what's the deal with that deus ex profile pic so many people have anyway? Is it some meme I'm out of the loop of?

[@georgekerscher5355]

@@zeyode Yeah, it's a relatively old meme that one particular youtuber asked his audience to change their profile pic to that of one character from Deus Ex. I don't remember all the details, but I'm pretty sure the website know your meme would have an entry to explain it

[@georgekerscher5355]

@@zeyode Found it www.google.com/amp/s/amp.knowyourmeme.com/memes/maximilianmus-oh-yeah-yeah

[@TheAnimaAnimal]

@@georgekerscher5355 I admire the tenacity of these people. As a fellow Swede I approve of this.

[@lamondsutherland4581]

I'm only about a minute in, and this guy sounds like the Nazi version of that one kid on the high school debate team who takes themselves way too seriously.

[@void7255]

This is the guy who 'plays devil advocate' then calls someone a slur and you can't change my mind

[@Nihyre]

To be fair, Vaush sounds like that one kid on the high school debate team who takes themselves way too seriously

[@elchingon12346]

This is the guy who won't disclose his aff

[@FinnTheBee]

@@Nihyre more serious (and smarter) than this person lmao

[@lordshnissugah]

I got Comic Book Guy vibes from the start. Ugh.

[@Ciph3rzer0]

It's incredible. We found a legitimate NPC. I've had more responsive conversations with voice overs that auto-play in a game.

[@Powersd451]

This is the same feeling you get trying to keep a chat bot on topic.

[@phelan8385]

@@Powersd451 I said to myself at one point "Is this guy an AI"

[@fulcrum2951]

Far right and tankies are always like that

[@theatheistpaladin]

"You can never fully debunk a quote." As Abraham Lincoln said, "Don't trust anything you read on the internet. "

[@luispaiva9619]

Show your sources bro, although the internet was widely available during MR Lincoln’s time, this quote seems fake. And pease meet the standards.

[@vinnie666]

@@luispaiva9619 only a fool distrusts a quote from abraham lincoln. -albert einstein.

[@BaronVonQuiply]

_"I'm Sexy And I Know It"_ - Winston Churchill, 1822.

[@cf3714]

"You are in no position to dictate things." -The last thing he said before being booted from the stream

[@head4hydratwitchtv751]

Ladies and gentlemen, what we’ve just witnessed is incredibly rare: a good old fashioned REKT-oning.

[@rarespetrache7482]

@ANA HAS BEEN RESURRECTED Ah yes, Communism is when you don't let mad fascist ramble very boringly on stream for ages

[@stellalee2946]

@ANA HAS BEEN RESURRECTED holy shit why are you on every comment are you the caller lmao

[@puckerings]

@ANA HAS BEEN RESURRECTED "Full Stalin" because cutting someone off from your stream is the same as murdering millions of people. Good lord, try at least a little bit, please?

[@cf3714]

@ANA HAS BEEN RESURRECTED Hey, I know you are a troll and all that, but your .gif portrait is kinda neat. Never seen that before on KZbin.

[@Arcian]

"What do you mean, AdolfLover1488 isn't a credible source?!" - This guy

[@brennanlable]

@ANA HAS BEEN RESURRECTED no no no it was 300 million you guys need to keep your numbers straight.

[@greenbackjack768]

@@brennanlable I read a historical document that said that eleventy billion was the offical death count of communism. It was on 4chan. Seemed really credible.

[@diegosanchez894]

@ANA HAS BEEN RESURRECTED I mean the 100M figure from the BBoC is overinflated, but regardless, capitalism kills way more people than communism ever could.

[@kaydenl6836]

@@diegosanchez894 literally, even the authors themselves regret writing it bc it’s so incorrect

[@brandonk.4864]

@ANA HAS BEEN RESURRECTED Get a better source than the Black Book of Communism. Also capitalism kills thousands of people every day

[@stereo374]

This line of logic, holy shit It's basically "Abraham Lincoln said to his Cabinet 'The Witcher 3 is the most underrated indie gem of its time. Wholesome 100 Keanu Chungus'. Do you have any evidence that this is false?" Obviously the burden of proof for such an absurd quote rests on the shoulders of the person citing the quote

[@traplover6357]

Wym? Its cited in a book that was made without peer review called "Abraham Lincoln Is A Gamer" so it has to be a primary source!

[@Fr0stbite1801]

I have solid evidence that Abraham Lincoln sent wholesome 100 death threats to overworked CDPR employees. Can you prove otherwise, liberal?

[@austin5944]

Wholesome 100 Keanu Chungus legitimately made me chuckle out loud

[@Nickademas1]

Wym Lincoln would never lie about the Witcher

[@motorboot2822]

sources: dude, trust me

[@TasTheWatcher]

_"The proletariat should totally unionize and revolt against the bourgeoisie"_ - Donald Trump Definitely a real quote

[@tortellinifettuccine]

This cant be real Trump dosent know big words like bourgeoisie

[@rondolo1]

@@tortellinifettuccine lmao

[@popcultureprogrammer2171]

pro union and Trump are mutually exclusive terms per his recent response to auto company union strikes

[@diegosanchez894]

"you have no coherent standards for what counts as a valid historical source" "A r u s s i a n nazi? Impossible!"

[@diegorincon4673]

As a fellow Diego, I agree.

[@JibrikAldamov]

Fun fact: This quote of Trostky is 100 % fake.

[@Gazzyl161]

*surprised Pikachu face*

[@christiantabares6713]

Im not familiar with Trotsky quotes. Can I ask where its been confirmed so as to familiarize myself? I would appreciate any info on how its determined. Please and thank you.

[@danielsantos-wh2op]

Sources please

[@punchnazis3268]

​@Flying Horse The quote comes from an opinion piece called "The Nature of Zionism" and that opinion piece claimed the quote was made in issue No. 1 of Russkoye Slovo. This is impossible as the first issue of Russkoye Slovo came out in 1859 some 20 years before Leon Trostky was even born.

[@punchnazis3268]

@@danielsantos-wh2op ​ The quote comes from an opinion piece called "The Nature of Zionism" and that opinion piece claimed the quote was made in issue No. 1 of Russkoye Slovo. This is impossible as the first issue of Russkoye Slovo came out in 1859 some 20 years before Leon Trostky was even born.

[@WiloPolis03]

This dude goes to the same college as the 15 year old race realist, *Alden's University*

[@themelancholia]

The College of Winterhold

[@eypu999]

lol

[@culeaxel4520]

@@themelancholia dont disrespect my school like that

[@johngr1747]

LMAO!!!!!!

[@a.i.a3949]

Alden U

[@calmkat9032]

"Just to be generous, I'll give you the full quote." This man is wildin

[@juliafranco6057]

😂😂

[@LimeyLassen]

Too generous. He should have made Vaush solve a series of riddles first.

[@p.chuckmoralesesquire3965]

i wanted to take the guy seriously but he frontloaded his entire schtick wayyyy too hard, try hards make me sick

[@Zyborggian]

Ok in to play devil's advocate even tho this nerd didn't deserve it... you're definitely reading that wrong. Vaush said he was trying to look up the full quote too a few seconds prior so the dude just said that as a "don't worry it's right here you don't have to keep googling"

[@master11050]

"This debate has been a long time coming. I only hope that you are even half of you are purported to be." This dude rolled into the stream like an anime villain looking for the ultimate challenge, just to spend the entire time whining about the legitimacy of a single quote.

[@IAmTheBugInsideYou]

Hahahaha

[@lemon93]

Comes in thinking he's dio when he's really mannish baby.

[@bgoodnow]

But what is his final form?!🤷‍♀️😂

[@Enkarashaddam]

To be fair EVERYTHING was riding on passing that quote off in bad faith, hoping Vaush wouldn't interrogate it

[@tedculbertson6320]

Him: "You can't just claim that my quote is fake with no evidence! It's totally a real Trotsky quote!" The quote: "I'm evil, and I want people to suffer."

[@rakelodakel]

Dude, don't mine and cherry pick the quote like that, put the whole thing in there for context. You left out the end, where Trotsky writes: "MUAHAHAHAAA"

[@LucasWills]

“Crazy Nazi” is redundant.

[@Rob81k]

It's a tautology you mean.

[@thijsdaenen4980]

The "Vosch" gave it away

[@chaytonlindsey4885]

@@Rob81k it’s a tautology but also redundant

[@Rob81k]

@@chaytonlindsey4885 Isn't just "crazy" redundant? I'm not native English but I know one meaning of redundant is that you can leave it out. You can't leave out both words :)

[@chaytonlindsey4885]

@@Rob81k when I say it’s redundant I’m not meaning “crazy nazi” is redundant but a word in there is redundant (that word being crazy). You are right though.

[@Wumblebum]

"prove it isn't valid" - somebody who absolutely can not prove that it is valid

[@hatrick3117]

religion exposed

[@rhoell2050]

Refers to a source, asks the opponent to prove its fake Like what? If you source, it's your burden to prove

[@sargonsblackgrandfather2072]

@@rhoell2050 yeah it was in a book called ‘da troof about da moon joos’ it’s 100% legit confirmed 🤦🏼‍♂️

[@FaalDovahKriid]

"Prove that god doesn't exist" energy

[@Wumblebum]

@@hatrick3117 Hmmmm maybe not all religions. I'm religious myself and so are a lot of my friends and... I recognise the difference between my faith traditions and actual, provable science lol. Maybe bc I'm not a cringey fundamentalist who needs to believe G-d is 100% tangibly real to simply enjoy my cultural tradition :^I

[@sawyerbass4661]

This guy is the most open narcissist He just came in pretending it was some huge event, then couldn't stop talking for even 20 seconds, and then like most conspiracy nuts, he believes that somehow he is in the small group of truly enlightened people who know the 'truth' the rest of society could easily find, but are too dumb to understand. At least he had the accent to warn us beforehand.

[@purdueswash]

He wasn’t trying to debate you, he was trying to bully you. He seems to think winning a debate is when everyone starts leaving the room.

[@alexsdemkin]

The Ol' shit in the pool strategy. Where at the part of the swim meet you shit in the pool. The other swimmers will get out while you lap your way to victory

[@xanosghoul]

Because Nazis don't actually care about debate as a tool to discuss ideas, they only enjoy it because it's an opportunity for them to spew their bullshit. People like this guy will only keep up the veneer that he's trying to just discuss ideas enough so he can not get kicked.

[@danielsantos-wh2op]

This guy is doing all he can to not clarify his sources.

[@AsifIcarebear3]

Hijacking a bit: This guy was obviously full of shit sources, but I don't feel Vaush laid that out well enough. Theoretically, it's possible to be a fringe group of historical experts with a somewhat unique view of an event and still be correct. Saying this gives me a bad taste in my mouth of sounding like some nazi apologist, but my point is that there are probably very good reasons why his sources are complete nonsense, but just saying the people who "just want to be right" aren't discouraged by the fact that some historians are considered to be "nazi apologists". Obviously this requires a much greater historical knowledge, which I think Vaush would have an interest in doing - a(nother) solid takedown of nazi apologists. Maybe do 2 debates - one where this guy presents all his claims that isn't public, so as to not platform his views, and 1 public where Vaush goes over every claim and exactly why they're wrong. I trust Vaush to research and present the counter arguments to do a complete takedown of these idiots, and I think it could be a go-to for counterarguments against exactly this type of person, of which there seems to be more and more. This concludes my opinion, thank you.

[@valenluca3253]

+Asifcarebear3 Will see about that.

[@brig.gen.georgiiisserson7226]

@@AsifIcarebear3 You bring up good points

[@danielsantos-wh2op]

AsifIcarebear3 the thing is, they never show the sources, they always tell you to read one specific book or see one documentary.

[@reddyshreddy5050]

@@AsifIcarebear3 I mean he probably would of if he could have been certain that the guy could have even comprehended what he was trying to say without rambling to himself

[@David_Bower]

The quote was so obviously fake, it was comical.

[@jacob18310]

@@freeman8914 “multiple independent sources” aka Protocols of the Elders of Zion. Lmao, come on bro...

[@silentfriend369]

@@freeman8914 narcissists say the darndest things.

[@thenablade858]

@@freeman8914 Trotsky does not address Judaism or an attempt to establish a ‘Jewish’ order in his Petrograd speech at all, his speech to the Soviet revolutionaries at Petrograd roughly revolved around his opposition to the new coalition government formed with the support of Mensheviks and prominent Socialist revolutionaries. Why would Trotsky give a James Bond villain speech in front of a big ass crowd?

[@freeman8914]

​@jay The source of the Trotsky quote is Aron Simanovich, a Jeweler at the court of the Tsar’s Imperial Majesty, secretary of Rasputin and quoted in numerous Russian scholarly works, including The Nature of Zionism By Vladimir Stepin, published in Moscow, 1993 and translated into English by Clive Lindhurst. Now if you don't mind I've got better things to do, like go feed my goldfish...

[@ИванЕвдокимов-в4м]

@@freeman8914 IDK about Begunov (Ю.К. Бегунов), but it is worth noting that in the 90s he revealed himself as conspirologist and antisemite. Quotation of Aaron Semanovich, on the other hand, is the funny part; in his memoirs he doesn't write alot about things that happened after (february) revolution; only about 20 pages, on which there is not a single thing about Trotsky; in particular, on pages 153-154 he writes about his escape from Peterburg and arrival in Kiev (I don't know if this comment section allows links, but I can post one to the photos of the book). This quote wouldn't even make sense in context because in that part of his memoirs he writes mostly about his conflicts with: 1) anti-semitic members of White movement; 2) those who were related to assasination of Rasputin, in particular, Purishkevich. (Sorry for bad english, do not have time to grammar check)

[@TheRangerFox]

That quote is one of the most hilariously fake things I've ever heard in my life.

[@jacobgutierrez864]

It’s cartoonish, they’re so desperate for their Jewish/Communist conspiracies to be true. It’s honestly pathetic.

[@personand]

Yup when ur so full of hate u start thinking of the ppl u hate as some comical 1 dimensional bad guys 😂

[@AntiVectorTV]

They say he's still rambling into a dead microphone to this day.

[@lydiafayre9806]

That "quote" reads the way 80s writers wrote dialogue for Skeletor.

[@rakelodakel]

The Nazi stereotype of the 'Jew' is very saturday-morning-cartoon- villain-esque now that you mention it...

[@Beowulf_DW]

Wow. This guy really laid his cards out right from the start.

[@youngminpark3173]

What cards

[@gpwnedable]

@@youngminpark3173 his anti-semite cards.

[@youngminpark3173]

@@gpwnedable oh right that quarter stack used up more than my dead mother deck of cards.

[@orionsshoe2424]

Tiger Bunny Who is Striker?

[@MrMoorfrosch]

@ANA HAS BEEN RESURRECTED lol

[@brynwalker1]

I'm only 6 minutes in and I can feel my brain melting out of my ears.

[@IrishCaesar]

You made it 4 minutes further than me before my brain was leaking

[@bgoodnow]

You have much more fortitude the I do!!

[@raaedk]

this guy would've fallen for the aldens number meme

[@eros6644]

Can someone explain alden's number please

[@rahibtaher5813]

@@eros6644 there’s no explaining to people who cannot understand

[@saggysackstudios]

@@eros6644 google it, it's on urban dictionary

[@CasperTimor]

@@eros6644 It's from his debate with the 15yo "race realist". If you look up the video there will problably be a timestamp to the relevant part. In summary it's a made up thing to catch people who pretend they know stuff they dont. "Are you familiar with Alden's number?" "I believe so..." "There's no Alden's Number" etc

[@thomasmackelly7685]

@@eros6644 if you have to ask, then you are not ready.

[@chaytonlindsey4885]

This gloomy dude will argue in comment threads here until someone says “yo you’re gloomy bro aren’t you?” and he dips from that comment and moves to another.

[@loganbarnes8621]

There’s a recently made account called Ana jumping around here too. I’m wondering if that’s an alt account of his, or just one of the random trolls that follow Vaush haha

[@jacobreynolds8610]

@@loganbarnes8621 it’s just one of the random trolls that follow him lol, that account has been around for a month or two posting cringe in every comment thread

[@Domnom22]

@@loganbarnes8621 no, Ana's been around for a while. This is an alt of theirs, their old one must have gotten banned or something?

[@nimbus6988]

@@loganbarnes8621 Ana has like 30 alt accounts its incredible the effort vaush really lives rent free on these peoples heads, its almost communism

[@loganbarnes8621]

Haha nice. These guys sure do keep the comments interesting

[@roosterssaloon]

Vaush: I'm gonna need a source Nazi: whoa there you said alot, what do you mean source?

[@GaryMcSnail]

The Nazi was on 1.5 speed without even trying

[@SuperHuscarl]

He received his “debating” skills from Ben Shapiro.

[@Ragitsu]

Shapirospeed.

[@MrTARDIS]

Gloomy: This has been a long time coming. Homer Simpson from 'The Simpsons Movie': So...we meet at last...whoever you are.

[@Sozile]

Holy shit Mr TARDIS?! I used to watch your vids in secondary school! I just finished my MA at uni, how have you been dude? Love your stuff!

[@skulduggeryvile7887]

My thoughts exactly😂😂 heard him say that and was like wtf who are you?

[@MrTARDIS]

@@Sozile hey mate, thanks a lot! Lovely to hear that! I hope you enjoy what I've got coming up this December!

[@captaincrumpet5558]

One of the greatest Dr who KZbinrs has arrived I see!

[@Spice983]

@@captaincrumpet5558 Alright, but I can one up ya on that one. Dr. Who-tuber

[@sickcrabfactz]

GIRL WHAT IS HE SAYING

[@kraio-sfu]

I don’t even think he knows

[@sickcrabfactz]

@@kraio-sfu he just keeps going and going

@@sickcrabfactz probably by design to confuse his opponents

[@jeanalisson]

vaush: "source pls" this guy: [20 minutes of uninterrupted panic]

[@adrasthe314]

"There is no objectivity when telling and interpreting history" the first thing we were taught in our first class in my history program. Honestly it's refreshing to hear someone out of the field say it because most people don't realise how bias is impossible to avoid from the moment you put something alive in the equation.

[@colt9836]

Makes complete sense tbh. It's like that quote (paraphrasing): "The winners are also the writers."

[@cheezin2610]

I love how cocky all nazis are hahaha

[@Liliputian07]

"no one's ever beat me because I can't understand anyone"

[@weatheranddarkness]

@@DionysianSpirit oh definitely! Fuck, just the posturing alone of these people, it's bananas. Utterly without self reflection or humour. "I'm gonna PWN you so hard!" It's like, that's nice child, but come back when you're not hopped up on speed.

[@lepkember6913]

Its because they are usually beaten down on by society. They are looked down upon, dismissed and hated by most people. Not that I say this so anyone feels sorry for them, fuck these kind of people, they deserve to be shunned

[@bonkmeabeab3563]

cocky and ballsy and dicky and nutsy

[@chapter_black3234]

A black anti-Semite? 😮 What shock...such edge has never been witnessed before... 😒

[@mileshill7196]

If he ain’t voted for Joe Biden, he ain’t black.

[@novelisima]

@@mileshill7196 I mean, facts...🤷🏻‍♂️

[@minskghoul]

Never heard of Nation of Islam?

[@americanskeptic1559]

Nation of Islam isn't anti semite, they just think current Jewish population is apart of the oppression blacks have suffered. There is evidence to back their claim but semantics has destroyed the validity of their stance on Ashkenazi being a convert European cult from the wealthy ruling class of khazarians

[@Juuk-D]

I mean he is subscribed to Candace Owens, Ben Shapiro and Joey salads 😂

[@DivineVTDragon]

"Vwaush,Vwaush, Vwaush, Vwaush," That's it. This was the debate. Legend has it, that guy is still debating himself.

[@loganbarnes8621]

*Vaush describes why the book is clearly neo-nazi “You haven’t given any evidence yet, you would say that denying being a Nazi is something a Nazi would do, Kafka” Yeah, this was pretty fun to witness

[@loganbarnes8621]

@Soviet Hereditarian Bc they want to stay in hiding usually, so they’ll deny it’s a Nazi book. Hence his denial that it was a Nazi book haha

[@adamkieffer6827]

As a Jew...I only have this to say: “Behold The Master Race”.

[@KDH-br6hy]

🤣🤣🤣

[@marcbrun9117]

You don't find watching literal Nazis to be extremely upsetting?

[@nukiradio]

@@marcbrun9117 it would be sad if it werent so funny

[@jadegrace1312]

@@marcbrun9117 Yeah, I agree with that Nuki YT said. Their arguments are so dumb and ineffectual, I genuinely can't see them convincing anyone to join their side, so I'm not particularly worried. Although the sheer number of them is quite frustrating.

[@sirseverus9511]

@@marcbrun9117 well we control the deep state so nothing they do really matters.

[@bekkayya]

Vaush lost in this debate - old, overused, reeking of copium Vaush GOT lost in this debate - fresh, confusing, brings up imagery of secret fight club debates in the woods

[@martingaggero8462]

I remember destiny saying the "destiny got destroyed.." is getting pretty old... 4 years ago.

[@te1327]

@@martingaggero8462 holy shit lmao

[@vulcan1025]

This dude sounds like he’s gonna read an audiobook.

[@ephraimduke]

The books being Mein Kampf and the entire bibliography of David Duke .

[@brig.gen.georgiiisserson7226]

@@ephraimduke 🤣

[@S.D.323]

I dunno I wouldnt assume he can necessarily read

[@JohnDoe-jq4re]

I fell asleep and woke up to Vaush yelling at this kid about how Stalin was actually bad

[@gg-uq6zm]

As soon as he said “what do you mean by creditable Historian?” I already knew the quote was bs.

[@spoopadoop5694]

Have you ever played Skyrim and heard for the umpteenth time, “do you get to the cloud district very often?” That’s what this man reminds me of.

[@south3774]

NAZEEEEEEM

[@21irises]

@@south3774 Nazi-m

[@bretthatesgirlsify]

if you have to travel, by the nine devines! stay on the roads, it's the zionists, you see

[@wisetrollman]

Borysenko malding on Twitter after the Timcast is the best thing in 2020 😂

[@runagaterampant]

Also weedlord and Ian miles chungus malding. Gotta love how Vaush started right wing infighting. Lol Weedlord (adam crigler) is going to do a podcast episode with Borysenko where they mald over this 😂

[@wehavebiscuits]

I tried searching on twitter but it's a mess. Can someone give me a run-down?

[@kyoungt14]

Vaush literally lives rent free in her head

[@charlieoshea931]

Last time I was this early trump was "hanging out" with jeffery epstien.

[@videogamenostalgia]

@The Guardian Monke Baron is just a husk raised to form part of a ritual whereby Donald on his deathbed will transfer his soul into Baron's body. It's why Donald keeps referring to him as "The Vessel"

[@ZoniB-dj1do]

💀

[@GeoNeilUK]

The Soviet Union was "top heavy with Jews" Yeah, the people largely referred to as rootless cosmopolitans were all over the Politburo... also, nice debate tactic, not let the other person get a word in edgeways to the point that they have to mute you in order to stave off the suicidal tendencies of their audience. That person's insanity was contagious.

[@impersonator4439]

According to Putin/Jewish Journal, 80% of the first Soviet government was Jewish. jewishjournal.com/news/worldwide/117846/

[@impersonator4439]

Jerusalem Post m.jpost.com/jewish-world/jewish-news/putin-first-soviet-government-was-mostly-jewish-317150

[@GeoNeilUK]

@@impersonator4439 Two links to the same press release. What was the implied attitude towards the Jews that was shown by Vlaimir Putin?

[@sacta]

@@GeoNeilUK Famous, unbiased historian Vladimir Putin.

[@andershoffman7196]

"This has been a long time coming Vowsh!" *cue nonstop maniacal malding*

[@jacob18310]

I’d be willing to bet that this guy’s “reputable, historical source” for these quotes was probably the Protocols of the Elders of Zion

[@hoathanatos6179]

His primary source is a publication from 1859. Trotsky wasn't even alive then so the quote is obviously false.

[@jacob18310]

@@hoathanatos6179 _or_ Trotsky channeled his Jewpacabra time-traveling powers & went back to 1859 to hold communion with Karl Marx, ever thought of that? Checkmate, libs.

[@lilsaam]

oh no here we go again, don't these guys ever get tired of embarassing themselves

[@lilsaam]

@bimmler what does this have to do with anything

[@ergohack]

@bimmler I think you meant to say “ *I’ve* offered... “

[@asimplewizard]

@bimmler lol, Gloomy stop using your alt account to talk about yourself in the 3rd person. You're all over this comment section being cringe af

[@flaskhjertako]

@bimmler Gloomy this is just fucking depressing, come on- snap out of your delirium.

[@asimplewizard]

@David Meza imagine being the discount sargon of akkad but worse

[@calebpoole4635]

Here's a fun idea. Take a drink everytime this guy says 'Alright, so'.

[@IrishCaesar]

6 minutes in I'm dead

[@rcb6ocs414]

Saw this live 😂 hilarious

[@mikehawk9531]

What stream was this

[@benphillips2947]

This kid was really trying to be the dom in this debate. He grabbed the steering wheel right away attempting to control what topic they tackled first. All that holds very little weight when Vaush has the stream controls. "No. You answer _my_ questions, chief. You are in no position to dictate me. Answer m-" [click] 🤣🤣🤣🤣

[@KDH-br6hy]

🤣🤣

[@beauson1983]

Nazi: "you wont provide standards" Vaush: literally has his quote on screen to explain standards Nazi: REEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!

[@yishaqdavid2029]

This quote does not exist. Only in that book by Walsh.

[@rhodes449]

well, duh

[@casperchristiansen2458]

This guy makes perfect sense. Don't you guys remember when Marx said the proletariat were always good and that communism was when people are equal in every way and the government does stuff?

[@jessieFSD]

socialism is when the government does stuff

[@casperchristiansen2458]

@@jessieFSD Ah, yes; a quote from "Capital vol.5".

[@sirherbert6953]

I love that quote in Marx' Freedom and Capitalism

[@WiloPolis03]

*"No you're gonna answer my question chief"* And half the neighborhood wakes up from my witch cackling.

[@Fin0fLenster]

Do you think he pictured himself teleporting behind Vaush after saying that?

[@TheChronoG]

He really wanted to sound tough there, it was hilarious

[@bgoodnow]

And then Vaush didn’t, and muted him! There’s nothing more rhetorically impotent than an ineffectual power move!! It was awesome!!😂

[@ll-eb2rt]

That guy has literally no life. His prison bedroom

[@harl4227]

Vaush sits in his house all day

[@Ragitsu]

@@harl4227 ^ Herr Himmler.

[@PinkKips]

This dude literally never stops talking lmao

[@Alysia_r]

"you can just talk to the void" lmaoooo

[@trinodot8112]

Is it just me or does Leon Trotsky kinda resemble Colonel Sanders? I want me a bucket of Kentucky Fried Communism!

[@lepkember6913]

The only important and relevant comment right here.

[@ourladydiscorderisesoteric8582]

After Stalin got into power in the USSR, Trotzky emigrated to Mexico. After Stalin tried to have him killed, he changed his identity and started selling the best chicken pieces in the south of the US.

[@Domnom22]

@@ourladydiscorderisesoteric8582 now that's an origin story

[@lepkember6913]

@@Domnom22 now he shall become part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.

[@willywonka7812]

I automatically disbelieve anybody who pronounces assume 'ashoom'. It saves time

[@swolejeezy2603]

It’s so weird because these same people would pronounce “issue” as “issew” and not “ishue” like most people

[@willywonka7812]

@@swolejeezy2603 yeah i was kinda joking cos there's one or two people who do this and whose opinions aren't total dogshit. it's just a regional British thing i guess, but since Brits are so strongly neoliberal, their words deserve blanket dismissal. Except Stewart Lee, Alan Moore, and others like them; freethinkers mired in an intellectual wasteland

[@swolejeezy2603]

@@willywonka7812 Ahh my bad chief my bad

[@bgoodnow]

@@willywonka7812 I assume you mean persons with English accents, because I love how Scots say words (all words)! But I agree, when I hear “shed-yool”, it make me want to put head through a wall! I know it’s the way some people say it, but I hate it so much!!

[@ibringit987]

Can't Fathom coming into the convo so confidently only to breakdown *immediately* the second some info you provided was scrutinized

[@slackershrub8923]

It's a telltale sign of severe mental illness. It's evident he doesn't actually think about his arguments he just thinks about thinking about them. Genuinely thinking about one's arguments means thinking about counters to said arguments. This guy's plan was to walk in and push his bs citations through and hope they don't get questioned

[@federicojimenez2065]

I love how you answered his question and then he pretended like you didn’t. Maybe next time just ask him to produce the primary source. If he can even understand that concept

[@nico6143]

Last time I was this Early, Tim Pool wasn't fighting the Right about talking to VOWSH

[@videogamenostalgia]

The Tim Pool redemption arc has begun. The journey from chud to chad.

[@KuLaydMahn]

@@videogamenostalgia I'm not so sure this time... But one can hope!

[@weatheranddarkness]

@ii a Dude needs a couple months in the high desert with no internet, a guide, and peyote. He is absolutely dislodged from reality at this point. Maybe he just needs to not have THREE fucking youtube channels to feed. Also, how do you have three redundant channels on youtube and not be a grifter?

[@johnarbuckle2619]

Dude, they are saying Vaush is a pedophile and groomer, using an out of context clip from a debate. This isn't good optics at all, he should address this allegations. I've seen some lefties spamming the clip to smear Vaush.

[@theillmadeknight4266]

@@johnarbuckle2619 he did get to address it on the Tim Pool stream, which is good. Tim's viewers kept mentioning it, it's all they've got. That and skreeing 'Commie!!!'

[@nerdinessislife1451]

Comments help the algorithm

[@qwite9309]

Indeed they do

[@idespisemyemail252]

hell yeah :))))

[@joneelillard892]

ALL HAIL THE MAGIC CONCH

[@truexenith8596]

This is the way

[@Birthnote]

Agreed

[@CalaveraKyd]

Oh goodie I'm stoned

[@qwite9309]

Good it will help

[@adame7843]

Lucky

[@2haunted4u]

turns out i didn't need to be, holy fuck

[@punchnazis3268]

The trotsky quote comes from an opinion piece called "The Nature of Zionism" and that opinion piece claimed the quote was made in issue No. 1 of Russkoye Slovo. This quote is untrue as it was impossible for the quote to have come from Trotsky as the first issue of Russkoye Slovo came out in 1859 some 20 years before Leon Trostky was even born.

[@roundmoundofpound6066]

Thank you for pointing this out, as a lot of people in the modern left need to understand this. Trotsky, it would seem, is quite poorly understood these days. Hell, I've seen everyone from nazis, to anarchists make the same bogus claims in attempts to discredit him. It's nuts.

[@Voyager205]

More to that - the russian newspaper Russkoe Slovo was cancelled in 1866 so the source is just bullshit lmao

[@thomasbuchovecky7241]

I was able to find two different publications called "Russkoye Slovo" or "Russian Word". One is the one you are speaking of which was published in Russia and the other is and American one that was first published in New York in 1910. Is it possible that this quote comes from the latter publication and not the former?

[@OneEyeShadow]

So you're saying Trotsky was a time traveler?

[@gavinaccurrsedd6419]

Not to mention Zionism didn’t even exist yet

[@vitaliybakal7356]

"I tried to hide my baby blood stained knife, but my pants fell down and gold coins flew all over the place" - Leon Trotsky, My life

[@snowdevil002]

"You are in no position to dictate me" *vaush ends the call*

[@bubblesthemonkey6615]

Dude, I’m one minute in and I already know this is gonna be nuts.

[@thepancakeking]

bro as soon as he said it's been a long time coming you know it's gonna be nuts

[@bubblesthemonkey6615]

@@thepancakeking 100%

[@rahibtaher5813]

Dude is the definition of debatebro

[@ViolentOrchid]

'I haven't proven provenance, how dare you question the validity.'

[@ezralegum6236]

"Can we please not sit here arguing about what my standards for a good source are?" "..." "Roight so you said that a source has to b

[@Teh_Hats]

This debate is unironically amazing just for how insane this dude is.

[@carolyntalbot947]

Has everybody watched Philosophy Tube's video "Anti-Semitism?"

[@weatheranddarkness]

Soild.

[@gru6817]

@@Johnny-mp2ew it's a pretty good video

[@jacobgutierrez864]

It’s a fantastic video, Abi Thorn is amazing (and my personal bicon ❤️💜💙)

[@ven9287]

As a Jew, that video was okay but kinda annoying. He just doesn't acknowledge any aspects to antisemitism that don't fit into his narrative

[@gru6817]

@@ven9287 I'm genuinely curious what doesn't he acknowledge

[@kylebfeye9850]

Well that’s 20 minutes I’ll never get back

[@itzjake5283]

Yo his subs after the Tim Pool appearance have become S W O L

[@head4hydratwitchtv751]

Gimme them numbers, homie. I didn’t think to look before the shit-show yesterday

[@Birthnote]

Yeah what did it go up from? I didn't think to look beforehand either.

[@Birthnote]

@Aidan Collins Good to hear 👍

[@Sentient_Blob]

We gotta breadpill all the normie republicans

[@sheridad64]

Have to admit it's what brought me here. Was not, (and still) a Tim Pool fan. Rational National, David Doel did a piece on their inteview so I went and watched the whole thing.

[@noneofyourbusiness3288]

"I am not a therapist, but I will try with you." feels like 85% of Vaush debates. xD

[@arkbehindblueyes]

When you ask a nazi to prove a quote and they bring out an historian from 1909 LMAO

[@CampCounselerSteve]

Wait, since when is Comic Book Guy a Nazi?

[@Liliputian07]

uhm urm

[@Videogamelover58]

Lmao

[@ChefNurseGuy]

Bro, again with the cancer causing debates...FML. My heart is literally beating out of my chest.

[@ooheeh2264]

Saw this live and I just kept begging for Vaush to get on to Amnesia so we, the audience, could forget everything about this debate.

[@santiagomarin1882]

Honestly Amnesia bored me at that point, so this insanely amazing convo was excruciatingly wonderful

[@Aj01110]

I genuinely did not process a single sentence he said... was he even saying anything?

[@S.D.323]

its the accent along with possible brain damage that caused him to be a nazi

[@friedipar]

Vaush might look like a Discord mod, but this dude sounds like THE Discord mod!

[@Evelyn-pl3we]

That caller came in like a pompous bulldozer. 😂

[@liora.5003]

"vaush talks to a bugged NPC for 20 minutes"

[@felixcohen1247]

My favorite Trotsky quote is: "Don't believe everything you read on the internet"

[@renoloverxoxo]

"I'm not a therapist but I'm gonna try with you." Stealing that.

[@madeline7272]

This is quite literally the most fucking hilarious Vaush date yet

[@DriscolDevil]

Something really satisfying about seeing him just mute people when they try to just rant about 10 different points and constantly cut him off. May not be "proper debate" but there's a reason I watch these more than a polite, structured debate.

[@lrose5522]

"I'm not a therapist but I'm going to try with you" 😂😂

[@Vickinimaj]

WE'RE ALL WHITE IN SPIRIT OMGGGGGGGGG im crying

[@lukeymuffler6265]

This video was posted 8 hours ago. Dudes still talking.

[@Mayouhm]

I've been in vcs with this guys and he never shuts the fuck up

[@Spirit_Of_Wrath]

Its been 4 months, he still talking, even now.

[@ZexionII]

This video is proof to me that Vaush would be an awesome parent. He's really great at handling toddler tantrums!