“Creating The Hebrew Bible” Dr Joel Baden, Professor of the Hebrew Bible Yale University

[@justmagicmostly]

I'm a huge fan of Joel!

[@josephtein3835]

He's very intelligent, articulate ... and funny!

[@MrArdytube]

Yes, this is a great lecture… not only from content…. But also from his engaging presentation

[@CamiloMontenegroNA]

Professor Baden is always a pleasure to hear. Brilliant, clear, straightforward.

[@DrVictorVasconcelos]

He's all that but really he's also hilarious and I completely share his humor style.

[@einarabelc5]

He’s also a Marxist and didn’t provide any sources. There seems to be a pattern here

[@sjd1446]

Please share the Q&A if you can. This is so interesting.

[@doyouknoworjustbelieve6694]

A book full of ancient Mesopotamian, Egyptian, Canaanite and Greek myths and made up stories that contradict regional history and archeology is not of divine origin. Supremacy and calling for G side of others certainly does not help its claims of divine origin.

[@DC-cg2jp]

@@doyouknoworjustbelieve6694 ☺️ah… mankind summed up via KZbin comment.

[@saschamilenkovic4320]

Brilliant lecture

[@robinmacallister6522]

Incredible! Excellent! Cleaning the stain of lgnorance upheld by blind faith.

[@SAMBUT]

put that into my playlist, 'Untold History of the Bible' (content for truth seekers)

[@mattlamson240]

PREACH! Ty Joel always love siempre

[@gkonsciousness1196]

That’s crazy they’re using Jewish atheist at Christian schools

[@andrewsuryali8540]

Well, no. When you think about it, that's brilliant. You can't accuse him of bias towards any denomination coz he's atheist, and his words carry weight because he's Jewish.

[@Apologia14]

@@andrewsuryali8540how is that brilliant?

[@einarabelc5]

If you think Yale is a Christian school you need to think harder

[@andrewsuryali8540]

@@einarabelc5 You don't think Yale DIVINITY School, literally founded as a Congregationalist seminary, is a Christian school?

[@definitelynotatroll]

@@andrewsuryali8540 being Jewish makes his words only less certain and more likely to be subversive garbage.

[@bobstine3785]

Terrific! The Biblical approach of re-reading sounds appropriate for the US Constitution.

[@eurech]

Really smart guy

[@EddrickFrench]

Ok, I feel him and what he's saying. I've felt the same way for many, many years. I was a curious kid with access to books that I neglected to regularly, but it still looked into certain words, texts, from what perspective are they writing. I knew that book was arranged in a way to program the masses in a very transparent manner. I get it. I get it. But what's up with the "Um's" after every sentence or paragraph, or juggled in between, he says, "Um, Uh", or any other single voweled variant. What gets me is that I know it's practiced. But for what purpose? To get on my everlasting nerves. Sometimes, he is knocking 3 in a row. A set of "um's" clear across the board. Has it become clear yet as to how annoyed I am about it. Being me, I have this thought, though. What's the meaning or purpose of these "Um's" if they are intentionally added. Is it something hidden in the audio. Or an encoded frequency of some message being transmitted. I believe him when he says he was in tenure for 20 years. This right here is too focused to be a natural occurrence. What's his angle?

[@tannerdority4375]

You need God…

[@Dougidance]

Can you please ask rabbi Tovia to respond and let him challenge other people on this topic

[@ron88303]

I believe Tovia has a YT channel; that would be a suitable place present his case ... as weak as it might be.

[@john.premose]

Lol, that utter crackpot?

[@What_If_We_Tried]

@@ron88303 Since R' Singer is an ardent apologist for rabbinic Judaism, he will probably always insist the Masoretic texts accurately reflect the original Hebrew autographs, that the Tanakh is inerrant, and is also univocal.

[@TrisjenHarris1203]

⁠@@What_If_We_TriedWas just about to say that. I’ve listened to Tovia extensively because his position is Christianity has taken Jewish things from the Hebrew Bible as their own. He’s hugely apologetic for Rabbinical Judaism.

[@What_If_We_Tried]

@@TrisjenHarris1203 Although I don't like R' Singer's apologetic justifications for doctrines / dogmas of Judaism that are not supported by the plain reading of the Tanach / Hebrew bible, I will forever appreciate him challenging the erroneous assertions of the religion I was raised in, Christianity, and it's New Testament, which claim that Jesus was the Jewish messiah.

[@pausuansian1863]

👍

[@teddywilliamson3547]

Challenge, provide only one contradiction that disaproves the assumed symmetry of the Tanakh and the New Testament regarding the fundamental concepts of the first and second greatest commandments proclaimed by Yahusha Ha Meschiac/jesus christ. Matityahu/mathew 22: 37-40 The first and second greatest commandments are "You shall love YHWH your Alahim with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind" and "You shall love your neighbor as yourself". These commandments appear

[@Andrewcch74]

I don't understand why a church invited someone to share about the contradiction in the Bible which would contradict their beliefs

[@What_If_We_Tried]

Because these parishioners are probably more interested in verifiable facts, rather than doctrines, and dogmas built upon the concept that the bible is inerrant, and univocal.

[@yohei72]

There are a lot of more liberal leaning churches that aren’t Biblical literalists.

[@What_If_We_Tried]

@@yohei72 Maybe in Europe, but the USA is ground zero for evangelicals / fundamentalists, and if you go 'Down South', you're in KJV only territory.

[@yohei72]

@@What_If_We_TriedYes, even in America, though we’re certainly more fundamentalist than Europe.

[@bill9989]

Pursuit of knowledge. Agree or disagree but don't close your mind.

[@JossinJax]

This professor reminds me of Hispanic Gen Zers that don’t speak Spanish…a Jew that doesn’t speak Mishna 😅

[@iancampbell2295]

Here's the short version, do God's exist, NO ! Are religions nonsense, YES ! GET ON WITH YOUR LIFE

[@TrisjenHarris1203]

Simply stated. I love it.

[@tannerdority4375]

He does exist, they all say it. Just not in the way you think. Keep searching

[@iancampbell2295]

@tannerdority4375 who is all? You mean Christians? You do realise there are 3000 registered religions all claiming that they are correct! All you have to do is prove the other 2999 are all fake. I'll just wait here shall I ?

[@waldrobfarms3946]

I'm not impressed by his lecture. In fact I see so many holes in his scholarship that it tells me he has a clear bias to where he cannot see and understand the diviness of scripture. In fact his claims actually weakens his argument and strengthens the divinity of the TaNaK (holy scriptures). This lecture and lecturer strikes me as someone that has an issue with religion and is therefore spending his life trying to discredit the religious culture (because there are many others) he's known. Even if the book is a made up text, the principles, lifestyle and morality of the book is beyond anything any human society has completely achieve or lived up to. That alone should give one pause, if not, at least something to aspire to.

[@tannerdority4375]

If you had any want to know what’s really going on you have to go outside of YOUR ‘holy’ scriptures. If you did you wouldn’t be able to deny it. Sorry to be evil mr holy

[@DrMattDennisPsyPhD]

Teaching people to mistrust God's letter sent to humankind. A spiritually blind guide, intellectualizing God's Word, in an expert's disguise. Like Israelite King Manasseh who misled God's people for decades, only to realize he had to repent, may God grant you the opening of the eyes, and His mercy when you'll return to Him.

[@doyouknoworjustbelieve6694]

A book full of ancient Mesopotamian, Egyptian, Canaanite and Greek myths and made up stories that contradict regional history and archeology is not of divine origin. Supremacy and calling for G side of others certainly does not help its claims of divine origin.

[@thetopface]

This is simple, ancient sophistry that no one here is going to validate. Go tell it to your church, or bring an actual argument.

[@MBEG89]

Ok so make a case against the claims, otherwise stay in your safety bubble.

[@tannerdority4375]

You do not have eyes to see and ears to hear. Your not even aware of it, just biased

[@carinabakewell2311]

Prideful Deconstructionist...

[@yohei72]

Whiny, willfully ignorant fundamentalist.

[@Exjewatlarge]

Self-certain inerrantist…

[@thetopface]

Lmao you seem to not know what either of those words mean

[@richardprice9730]

A natural philosophy and adherent of biblical analysis which he is very good at but misses the point IT was edited in the light of supernatural insight in an attempt to draw people into the supernatural law of God which humans can only point at ,inconsistencies abound ,but they are correct Jesus is the alpha and omega supernaturally speaking .

[@ron88303]

Earth calling richardprice; earth calling richardprice. Can you read me; over?

[@richardprice9730]

@@ron88303 too many supernaturals but still the Bible in today's theological logical quasi scientific mind sets is like seeing a contoured map and ignoring or misreading them or just ignoring fine dotted footpaths ,the BIBLE is a spiritual text meant to inspire us to let go and trust in God's power more directly absolutely it isn't primarily a who did what when ,earthe is His footstool!

[@john.premose]

Ha ha ha ha ha. That's a really good old joke.

[@martin2289]

@@richardprice9730 It's always amusing when people pontificate about the "supernatural" - something that has yet to be demonstrated even exists.

[@yohei72]

By positing the supernatural, you can explain away literally anything. So it’s pretty useless as an explanation. It’s certainly unhelpful to doing history or any related discipline.

[@aleciabenjamin7774]

He makes some interesting points but there are other scholars his level that have responded and debunked all that he has said. He misses the entire point of the Bible!

[@davidkeller6156]

Debunked all that he has said? Yeah, probably fundamentalist. What he’s said I’ve heard from countless other scholars.

[@DC-cg2jp]

Hard to take this guys serious, a whole lot of talking but no valuable information that actually leads to the truth. I guess that’s the foundation of Gnosticism. “We know what didn’t happen but we have no clue what actually did happen.” K.

[@thetopface]

That’s entirely wrong, and doesn’t even make sense. He made several statements about “what actually did happen.” You just need to learn how to listen to lectures. Would you like me to list them here for you?

[@DC-cg2jp]

@@thetopface according to him and his “research” I heard the wordplay, just because it came out his mouth doesn’t mean his lecture isn’t bs It’s the usual argument, Bible is plagiarism, Mesopotamia 🥴 He claims since he read the Bible it was written by someone so it invalid. 22:04 He uses the word “probably” 100 times as a source of information but again this is all his opinion and all word play. 🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️🗣️

[@thetopface]

@@DC-cg2jp none of that has anything to do with what I said, and, no, it isn’t according to his “research.” It’s according to the well-founded and easy-to-understand research of scholars since the Middle Ages, that now comprises the overwhelming consensus among contemporary scholars. He demonstrated undeniable contradictions in the Bible. It’s not a matter of “believing” him. It’s a matter of whether you want to continue with your fingers in your ears, or actually let yourself think like an adult.

[@DC-cg2jp]

@@thetopface someone said it best “he speaks like a 6th grader nervously giving a book report” 😭😭😭

[@thetopface]

@@DC-cg2jp I think that you may be just kind of disconnected from reality, in general, because I don’t see any way in which that applies to him in this video. He speaks clearly and confidently, presents his information in a very organized and easy-to-follow manner, and he uses very natural and humorous attention-getters. He speaks rather quickly, because he’s been asked to speak about a hugely broad topic that I honestly haven’t seen someone move through with such ease. He would’ve gotten an A+ in my speech class at college. At what college did you take your speech course?

[@andrereginato3538]

Interesting that he quotes manuscripts from Eastern history having similarities to Jewish manuscripts. The bible makes it clear that God chose a people to reveal himself to and our scriptural history comes from Judaism not Eastern teachings. Another attempt to doubt the word God as being all authority and accepting different cultural beliefs. His teaching will only lead to universalism which means that we can accept any cultural belief and a belief in many deities or God's. No mention of Jesus Christ...as Paul said, many false teachers and prophets will appear and if possible, deceive even the elect. Remember Jesus said I am the way, the truth and the life and no one will come unto father but through him only. Any other way is like a thief and a robber. BEWARE of false teachers.

[@psuswim07]

His point wasn’t just to point out similarities between many stories in the Hebrew Bible and myths that came before, but to show that they were the INSPIRATION for the stories found in the Old Testament, and that in fact many are copied almost verbatim into the OT (Moses’s auspicious birth, the flood, etc.) His point is that the history of the scriptures is partly that they’re adapted retellings of much older stories. And there’s no mention of Jesus because this talk was specific to the Old Testament and Judaism, so obvious Jesus wouldn’t be relevant.

[@davidhemphill3735]

He is talking about context - ancient near eastern context. It was the bath water that the narratives were written in. we have the same going on right now. read Dr. Michael Heiser to get some current context about how to read ancient narratives. Nothing wrong with what he is talking about AND being a believer. Context is king. He is not a false teacher.

[@mattandkim17]

Joel makes a lot of sense actually.

[@hailemaryam1174]

Are you people so deaf that you don't hear him saying that the Bible is a false text if one is looking for truth?

[@davidhemphill3735]

we can still agree/enjoy his views on ANE world and his findings on the same, while filtering out what does not agree with our personal and Biblical beliefs. @@hailemaryam1174