CREATOR OF THE MULTIVERSE?! NEW RETCON CHANGES EVERYTHING!! | Dragon Ball DAIMA Episode 10 REVIEW

[@AstraFulminous]

@14:43 Spoilers.

[@pressurefrmtheraw1072]

Not really. Zeno is the RULER of the universe. Not the creator. Its all still good

[@BananaR777]

probably his father or grandfather

[@hexkwondo]

We don’t even know if the Gods of Destruction exist in Daima.

[@Carreon01]

​@@hexkwondo🤦

[@pressurefrmtheraw1072]

​​@@hexkwondo there was a scene that showed gowasu etc so i dont see why not. Beerus busy sleeping and whis walking the hallways like the beginning of the b.o.g movie still 😂

[@koolkris7078]

Finally someone who understands words and meaning

[@st_king_jay]

Zeno has an angel with him. He is more like Beerus, a destroyer and ruler. Meanwhile this guy is a creator god like the supreme kais.

[@terralecoutain3056]

It makes sense

[@mattjuckett9327]

My thoughts exactly

[@fork4207]

Yeah just on a multiversal scale

[@splaatsetshawty]

Exactly! That explains why rymus dude is and the Omni king is kid/baby like ,but overall great theory🫱🏾‍🫲🏽💯‼️

[@GigaChad-u1f]

Probably the grandfather of the Grand Supreme Kai or something

[@Dadee3]

Gotta admit, as goofy as Kuu was, he had some dope powers/moves. Imagine if he trained!

[@hurricane7727]

He can get stronger. I remeber both Dbs Buu getting Stronger by Training and Even Dbm Fanmanga Zenbuu got stronger too

[@aribyeasirahmedzim8644]

He is just a chill guy

[@BananaR777]

@@aribyeasirahmedzim8644 yeah i like that, he is also honorable.

[@marthouismcmiller4787]

@@hurricane7727nawl he’s a dud

[@GigaChad-u1f]

Imagine if he absorbs Degesu and Gomah

[@kinglubu767]

Everything is understandable up to now,we were never told who created the multiverse only who governs and maintain them,I want more info like where the angels come in

[@Dadee3]

@@kinglubu767 The Angels serve as the attendants of the gods of destruction, obviously.

[@russianigkadude]

@@Dadee3 so do demons serve gods of creation?

[@anthoneon]

​@@russianigkadudethey are the gods of creation(supreme kais). We don't know where the Angels came from.

[@russianigkadude]

@ Yet! ❤️

[@Dadee3]

@@russianigkadude that's never even been a thing LOL. Plus, don't see why gods of creation need attendants anyway. If that was the case, then the Supreme Kai would've had one already.

[@fozz539]

not a retcon btw. stop misleading people and watch the show.

[@MildsandThatYac]

Exactly bro, never once did it say Zeno was the creator just the ruler.

[@AstraFulminous]

This is the probably the origin for all of Bulma's dragon ball wishes.

[@Meelow-jp8lb]

I counted, you've commented on this video 10 times, lol.

[@douglasdonaris9729]

Beerus has his angel, Whis, and his life is linked to Supreme Kai. Likewise, Zeno has the Grand Priest and must be linked to Rymus in some way.

[@GigaChad-u1f]

Probably they're two parts of a whole, one's young and the other is old,maybe it's like Piccolo Daimao and Kami

[@AstraFulminous]

Tamagami Number One might just be that guy. Like imagine if Majin Kuu is actually stronger than Majin Buu but we couldn't tell cuz the Tamagami is just that strong.

[@ToonRaider]

Yeah, I think that makes sense.

[@marthouismcmiller4787]

Nawl buu was one of a kind nothing in the demon world currently even comes close to buu’s power

[@AstraFulminous]

​@@marthouismcmiller4787Tamagami #3 is A Post Mini SS2 Goku. That alone is impressive.

[@marthouismcmiller4787]

@ SS2 really was overkill

[@givenofuks222]

He's like regular ssj he didnt need ssj2 ​@AstraFulminous

[@JAITV-LIVE]

Rymus is Zeno’s Kai rymus creates while Zeno destroys - or maybe they have interchangeable abilities but they do different things like ying and yang

[@JayJay-de5jv]

So what about grand supreme Kai?

[@JAITV-LIVE]

@ I’m not sure bro it was just a opinionated guess like everyone else

[@Mobthe2nd]

​@@JayJay-de5jv he's only seen in filler episodes and was never mentioned in the main plot of Z or DBS anime/manga

[@Nighttale233]

@@Mobthe2nd He's in the moro arc in the manga

[@CircuitReborn]

Yeah he's pretty much confirmed at this point... The Grand and the N.W.S.E. Kais never really got an explanation though...

[@potatosalad3655]

I can se them all losing their memory of the demon world once they are out Which would fix a lot of plot issues related to super

[@bloody4558]

Some people here have already said it but I'll be even moe direct. No retcon is being done here. Neither Zeno nor Zalama were ever said to be the creators of the universes. Instead, this one is the first new information thay actually can contribute to Super

[@GigaChad-u1f]

Zalama was just the first Namekian who made the Super Dragon Balls, probably a parallel to Kami,Zeno has always been more akin to a God of Destruction, probably also being linked to this new guy,they may be actually one person split in two like Piccolo Daimao and Kami were,and there's the Grand Priest,the father of all Angels I hope they introduce Chronoa

[@AarturoSc]

What the fuck are you talking about with that “cancellable” stuff?! Shit is super tame. Why are people so easily offended that take a funny moment like this as shocking? Hibys is hilarious by the way.

[@josephcelestiel6129]

Cause america is woke

[@Gevo-tube]

Roshi has done this diddy stuff and more. They don't even compare.

[@ToonRaider]

Ok, I say it's worse than Roshi because Bulma at this point is a 1st grader. As bad as Roshi is, even he said Chi-Chi was too young in OG Dragon Ball. He still is bad, especially in regards to teen Bulma, but Hybis is another level.

[@Gevo-tube]

​@ToonRaider Ngl yeah, needs to be on a list

[@AstraFulminous]

I find it ironic all of Abura's Grandchildren Towa, Darbua, Fuu are basically trying to so the opposite of their Grandfather.

[@SWOTHDRA]

TOWA and FU are not cannon, their lore is better then this fake demon realm we see now in DB Daima

[@Mobthe2nd]

​@SWOTHDRA what you mean "fake" ???

[@Chillout18-s9h]

​@SWOTHDRAIn the grand scheme of things they are all canon.

[@AstraFulminous]

​@SWOTHDRA To you maybe, BUT what do you actually know about the background about the series really. You are not the creator or apart of the culture. To me its no different than Vomi.

[@AarturoSc]

Towa is Dabura’s sister, so Abura’s daughter, not grandchild. Fuu is Towa’s kid, so that one you could say that about. Finally, they are part of the games continuity, not the main timeline.

[@AstraFulminous]

Behold The Multiverse Reborn Once More!!!

[@rafi_sensei5421]

This doesn't confuse dbs in anyway.

[@AstraFulminous]

Zeno is probably Rymus son. Zalama is probably a friend of Rymus. And created the Omniscence Crystal then the Syper Dragon Balls based on the Demon Realm Dragon Balls. First for the Outside Universe Second Overall cuz the idea came from the Demon Realm

[@Stylez-13]

Yeah Daddy gave him 12 universes to play with ...well a few more but he broke some 😅

[@electrobob992]

I more believe he's Zeno's supreme kai equivalent. After all Zeno only destroys, while Supreme Kai create. Why else did they need to super dragon balls to recreate the universes if Zeno could do it himself. The answer? It's beyond his power.

[@koolkris7078]

The boob joke had me and my gf laughing like crazy 😂

[@thebigbadrascal3398]

2:25 Naw nothing comes close to Roshi shrinking himself to go see Bulma pee

[@rhule008]

it is not a 'inconsistency' ..more than likely the memory of Guku and crew will be wiped after the end of the Daima

[@AstraFulminous]

It would be extra interesting if Neva was another half of Katas or vise versa.

[@ToonRaider]

I didn't even consider that, that'd be really cool.

[@lostthoughts5756]

What if Zeno is just a Rymus as a kid ; training to be next in line. I always seen the main angle as a babysitter making sure this foo xeno don’t go out of control . Just like whis checks beerus.

[@AundieVue]

Legend could be about Vegeta turning into SS3 and defeats Tamagami #2 like a Legendary Super Saiyan warrior. But it could also be about how Neva created the Demon Realm Dragon Balls and how it could even tied to the Super Dragon Balls, I based this on the fact that we saw Neva appear at the end of the episode.

[@AstraFulminous]

Its like that background ideology I talked about before. In Japanese each media is meant to tell a certain idea within series overall.

[@AstraFulminous]

Arinsu is kinda vampire like herself isn't she

[@lancekemal8989]

She's the canon version of Towa. That's where her design comes from because Akira Toriyama created Towa too.

[@electrobob992]

I just remember, we never actually saw Zeno CREATE anything. He's only destroyed things. The future Multiverse, various universes, etc. He was basically just a multiversal God of Destruction. While his "Supreme Kai", is actually Rhymus. The ultimate creator, to the ultimate destructor. One would be loved, while the other feared. Hence why all the kai and GoDs feared erasure from him.

[@Mope333]

They fear both of them regardless 😂

[@lancekemal8989]

But doesn't Zeno have the power to create too? He destroyed multiple universes and casually brought them back on a whim. Zeno is not limited to destruction

[@Darknephilim1420]

Wondering since de-aging has been a concept in diama if rymus someway gets de-aged into zeno, there by creating a link to goku zeno then end of diama everyones memory is wiped

[@AstraFulminous]

I was so worried for Panzy that was way too close

[@stevenfinucane3845]

Goku straight up murders people No escape...

[@hurricane7727]

They brought it on themselves. They shot at them

[@stevenfinucane3845]

@hurricane7727 Everyone is shooting everyone in the back

[@kyzelljohnson3869]

They brought da og goku back from his dragon ball days 😂😂

[@SuperJahmar]

This at this point is a different universe

[@aribyeasirahmedzim8644]

You fans really create your own imagination related to this series. Toriyama is the creator of Dragon ball franchise. Whatever he says is true and final. Your opinions doesn't matter related to it Even though now Toriyama is dead and I don't know how toyotaro will manage to connect all the things

[@AarturoSc]

It’s as if the story is still going and we don’t know many stuff yet, but fans are jumping the gun as usual.

[@aribyeasirahmedzim8644]

​@@AarturoScSome people aren't even watching daima but giving their opinions about the new lore and all🤣

[@GigaChad-u1f]

Zeno is the Ruler, not the Creator,he probably just allowed this new guy to make universes,this new guy us probably the grandfather of the Grand Supreme Kai

[@Stylez-13]

He's Zeno's Dad and created a few (16) universes for him to play kid but kid's always break some of their toys so he only has 12 left....

[@SD_TripleDoublz]

Never was it said Zeno created anything, just the ruler & can’t erase everything in an instant

[@parthshilimkar4610]

If vegeta goes ssj3 then it’s inconsistent because he didn’t go into ssj3 against beerus🤫

[@thelettucebarrel7784]

How old even is Hybis?

[@hurricane7727]

Agreed All the Characters were Shell Shocked He knew Shins Siblings

[@millionshadesofdarkness2165]

Zeno destroys, his father creates

[@Styalistic]

I think the only way to tie this to super is whis. My theory is he comes at the end when everyone is back to being adults and does a memory wipe of all events that occurred. Supreme Kai may be too or he is told to keep it under wraps.

[@tyronemagnus1736]

Super Naturally ties to this already. They showed DBS characters in the episode

[@CrimsonChin128]

Rymus probably linked with Zeno. Like Beerus is also linked with Supreme Kai.

[@justinwow17]

I love how this is all being treated like a big RPG 😂

[@bcuphunk]

I totally forgot about the original namakien that splitted to 2. Making kame and king piccolo

[@cloverkingdom6341]

For the love of god no one claim zeno specifically stated that he created the multiverse it more like god of destruction and supreme kai situation but in higher scale 👍 so ita not retcon

[@pensandoemalgo.5722]

Is not a retcon, never was said who created the universe, Zeno never created anything

[@damianm8960]

My theory for now, is that Rymus could be related to Zeno in a way, like a Father since Zeno is very much a child Also part of my theory is that Shin is excluding Zeno and the Gods of Destruction cuz it would make Goku wanna meet em right after dealing with their quest. Rymus could be within the top 5 strongest being's in the multiverse that was brought up in Super, Whis mentions that Grand Priest is in the Top 5 strongest afterall, so maybe Rymus could be within that ranking.

[@ellieysama]

Hahaha I knew it, Daima is more connected to Super and this epsd just proved it, there is no doubt that this epsd dropped the ball revealing the strong connection...imagine Beerus coming out at the end after waking up prematurely hell I wouldnt be surprised if after Daima we finally moved onto Super Season 2 which most likely be Daima Season 2 XD

[@momongaains3785]

Is it not lemon his name?

[@KyleEckers]

14:44 end of spoilers

[@bcuphunk]

Missed opportunity to see a young master roshii

[@JoshuaLowe-ci3wo]

Majin Kuu is not the big villain. Majin Duu is yet to be created. This "Rhymes" character must be the ruler of the multiverse but later retires so Zeno could take over

[@marthouismcmiller4787]

Duu is gonna be a dud too

[@JoshuaLowe-ci3wo]

Then Kuu & Duu are going to merge

[@se_7698]

man idk what daima should not be canon

[@seanmartin8481]

Majin Kuu and Majin Duu will use the join bugs to fuse.

[@johntanyag3191]

If rymus is the highest authority how is he being ordered around by the demon king lol

[@saiyanscaris6530]

zeno and rymus could be linked while being opposites. one of creation one of destruction but are equal in power

[@BobbyRee-z7z]

Honestly hybis schould have just asked the gang (piccolo, bulma, and Vegeta,) if they want to return to normal age or stay as they are as a way of them getting a second chance at life (idk why he needed to say that whole weird bulma bit)

[@AarturoSc]

Because it’s just a joke. People don’t remember humor nowadays it seems.

[@BobbyRee-z7z]

@AarturoSc humor is subjective but many people don't find those jokes funny only a very few around 20 actually found that funny (I'm talking about the sexual jokes, 90 percent of the time it comes across as creepy and weird instead as funny as it was intended)

[@strangehakai196]

Rymus created the multiverse. Zeno rules it. Not a retcon, we just dont know yet the link between them.

[@043Tarzan]

I think ppl need to stop trying to tie daima into super unless they either explicitly say it or give us something to tie the two together

[@JoshTWWilliams]

Hey, I know that ringtone that went off. It's from Facebook. I know because my awful ex has been trying to call me through Facebook. I'll be honest, when I heard that ringtone go off, it made me jump out of my bed. Don't scare me like that 😬

[@Hawkcam1996]

When they first created Majin Kuu at the end of episode 9, despite his silly design, he seemed to have a rather intimidating expression on his face. That expression doesn’t seem to match his personality😅

[@DeadlyGodOsiris]

Who created the demon realm lol

[@burkettnathan822]

Well no. In super Zeno has only ruled over the multiverse ofr 8.5 million years, beerus is well over 75 million years old. If the Dragon ball universes are old that beerus, seeing that beerus was once a mortal, then the creator of the universe is older than him. I believe it isn't a recon, it is just answering questions upon what the multiverse was like befofe Zeno. So this guy that looks a lot more like Zeno then most Dragon ball characters, that is the oldest character we know by far, and is stated to be the creator of the universes. Just makes me think that this guy is like the A. Older brother, B. Dad C. Ancestor of Zeno. Or he was just the previous Omniking before Zeno. And once he kicked the bucket Zeno took over his place as the ruler of everything.

[@narutofan4545]

Giwasu (ICONIC)

[@KingRamone]

Looks like Zeno dad

[@AkeemReese]

Back the hell up, are you mean to tell me that this whole time it was a Majin deity a demon that created the Multiverse. It wasn’t the the angels , Zeno or zalama the creator of the super dragon balls that can grant any wish with no limits to their power 🤨.

[@JediMaster00]

It's not really a retcon it's more of a correction from Toriyama because super was made by toyotaro in a recent interview with toyotaro he said he would bring story concepts and Toriyama would just approve on what he likes and didn't like so this Daima is more of Toriyama correcting what toyotaro got wrong in super because if you go back and watch dragon ball super intro right at the beginning it says story concepts CONCEPTS FROM TORIYAMA plus in an interview Toriyama said at a point in his life he just wanted to stop drawing and only be included with helping to make up the story so as more time passed by it become less his story and more toyotaro version hence all the incorrections in super from Z

[@lancekemal8989]

Yeah some of the demon world lore Akira created years ago working on Dragon Ball games.

[@StrokeHogan]

It’s the legend of namek

[@marthouismcmiller4787]

It’s not a inconsistent bout the knowing about the multiverse cause we all can see here goku wasn’t listening nor cares

[@Mope333]

Saitama still wipes 😂

[@tomtomxquared2734]

I'm pretty sure that the ending of daima would be the removal of memory of our main characters in their adventures in the demon world. So that, Super will transition smoothly. Vegeta or any particular character might awaken Super Saiyan God level in daima and beerus sleeping, sensing & dreaming about it would be the reason why and was the start of super...

[@Styalistic]

Yeah I believe whis will come into play at the end He’s the only one I believe with that capability and beerus is sleep but I’m sure it will be an order. plus he’s most likely watching and kept tabs.

[@electrobob992]

@@Styalistic Or maybe.... Just maybe that is the reason the Demon world dragon balls have never been used, they wipe the memories of everyone BUT the maker of them when the wish gets granted. Meaning they HAVE been used before, just no one can remember.

[@johnguzman4332]

Bro wants super to be cannon again so badly is wild

[@Brian________]

But super is literally cannon 😂​@johnguzman4332

[@coastsalishnative241]

Yeah right! Nothing wrong with it

[@jackmichhoffnickkerr2745]

This isn't a retcon it was never once stated zero created the universe

[@supersaiyangodshallot8742]

Last time I checked, Tokitoki, the bird of time of DB Xenoverse said it's eggs are what created universes. However, looks like DB Daima timeline isn't related to the DBS timeline. Also, I really though Piccolo would fight Tamagami #2 because their on the 2nd Demon World where Namekians used to live.

[@SWOTHDRA]

Tokitoki is not cannon, id love to see a canon towa, demigra etc. They are the real demons and that lore was better then this watered down stuff we are getting through daima. Dabura was millions of years old but still so weak

[@supersaiyangodshallot8742]

@SWOTHDRA The way they are changing things in DB Daima, I think they're going to make Dabura about couple thousand years old. Shin, Supreme Kai of Universe 7 being millions of years old, couldn't beat Majin Buu that was sleeping for millions of years sounds stupid, otherwise Shin is a really lazy Supreme Kai.

[@DerriousGamez]

​@SWOTHDRA that lore is definitely not better😂

[@YourNameDoesNotCheckout]

Dbs doesn't have tokitoki

[@ripp123m]

BRO WE GOTTA STOP SCREAMIN RETCON FOR NEW LORE!!!! Zeno is probably in charge of the destruction part and rymbus creates life. Its probably why zeno has angels and rymbus has kai's. Also zeno resembles rymbus perhaps thats his father or some sort.

[@RancorSnp]

I swear people on youtube are allergic to world building

[@BananaR777]

@2:51 she be miss/abusing using those dragon ball, what was indented as a beacon of hope is being used a super beaty parlor ._. all the more reason the shadow dragons becoming canon and rewritten is all the more justified. I am not fan of the world with the need of the dragonballs due to that going against their creators intent for a said bacon hope. sure they don't need to be a crutches or abused but as a safety net is also justified. Regarding the flaws with the negative energy stick from gt, I always pondered a simple solution, included either hyperbolic time chamber or have a box created where time flows 100*times faster in it.

[@russianigkadude]

Do the demons serve the gods of creation? i mean angels serve gods of destruction

[@pressurefrmtheraw1072]

Kuu battle pissed me off and the way he act is worse than his character design. I miss the serious times of dragonball like how high the stakes was during the t.o.p....or future trunks timeline events or even the most recent movie the way cell max was doing piccolo.. Things that had me going "😮 oh shit.👀" Havent done that ina while 🤦‍♂️ i dont want kuu to die though i dont dislike him that bad he seem like a good guy. Him and buu can become friends tbh. Mabye kuu gonna someday get angry and seperate. Thennn ill get the seriousness i want

[@richeastjr]

Hybis is based lmao

[@JayJay-de5jv]

another new retcon omg so confusing can’t stand the new writing

[@brellygdagoatTM]

Why goku got demon ears 😂 1:15

[@JordanFanatic]

Because only demons are allowed to travel through demon world, so Supreme Kai pump fakes the transporter by making Goku's ears pointy every time they travel to a different realm.

[@andersjofficial]

keep cancel culture far away from the anime.

[@terralecoutain3056]

Majin kuu simpping lol 😂

[@Antonio-vn5xc]

Nope still want super back lol

[@bloodhazat264]

Zeno was king of multiverse not creator of them lol

[@Chiefnatural]

It's not a retcon never seen Zeno create anything

[@SWOTHDRA]

It is, how does this explain zalama and the super dragonballs? Since he was the first one to make dragonballs , before the nameks

[@45_nguyenhaiangviet95]

​@@DerriousGamezZalama's mentioned when Zuno's answering questions. Watch your own show, DB fans

[@45_nguyenhaiangviet95]

​@SWOTHDRADid the Namek using Dragon Balls to create the universe, only generate. Dragon Balls can't create something, it had to be created first Super Majin is the one create the universe now, and the Namekian took the chances and left Demon Realm

[@DerriousGamez]

@@45_nguyenhaiangviet95 who are you talking to cause it ain't me🤔🤨

[@DerriousGamez]

@SWOTHDRA it's not

[@adityachauhan6544]

1:28 but yamcha did it's first

[@Golden_Rule_Truth]

Toriyama is dead….

[@SWOTHDRA]

How does this explain whis and the gods of destruction? Dbz is a whole mess now

[@TheCrumpers53]

I think videos with these kinda titles should be taken down. Rage bait. Pathetic

[@Fiftytwotop5]

Super not cannon

[@SWOTHDRA]

Facts, toriyama didnt write super only did designs ,toyotaro did super and it shows, super sucked

[@45_nguyenhaiangviet95]

​@SWOTHDRAWrong, Akira clearly wrote BOG and ROF and made it two Z movies before they became arcs of DBS. Later, he didn't draw. Akira wrote the plot and Toyo illustrated it, also added his own things So they were co-creators of DBS

[@ellieysama]

@SWOTHDRA But after this epsd Daima is now connected to Super ergo both series suck now.

[@marthouismcmiller4787]

@SWOTHDRAactually toriyama wrote super toyatoro just drew it

[@Fiftytwotop5]

@@ellieysama I hate super wish it never existed

[@ShadowKingRecks]

You call yourself a Dragonball fan and you're have issue with Roshi-style flirting? Cancel? give me a break...

[@ToonRaider]

I was joking. But I wasn't wrong. Hybis is more "cancelable" than Roshi, not saying I would participate in it.

[@Joseph5571]

Zeno looks like Rymus’s son since they both looked alike, short and blue

[@djphenom5430]

this was toriyama best written episode troll wise lol like he trolled in so many ways from kuu to the boob joke to retconning when every found out about multiverses lol

[@tahjhightower125]

Dis shit not canon

[@ellieysama]

Of course not.

[@Whygodwhy94]

@@ellieysama It literally is officially canon though.. Don't be butthurt when the Super manga comes back and shows the clear connection to Daima. You can want it to be non-canon all day... but, its still confirmed by the creator... fans don't get to choose what becomes canon lol, the creator does... even if you dislike it

[@tahjhightower125]

@@Whygodwhy94idk man. I'm waiting to see what toyotaro says

[@Hawkcam1996]

Honestly, if Vegeta is going to go Super Saiyan 3, I’m a little disappointed. The reason he never has before now is because he saw the form was too inefficient. If he uses it now, then that goes out the window, so there’s now no reason for us to not have seen him use it in Battle of Gods.

[@Devil-David]

I hope he doesn't go ssj 3, but it can work if he uses it and after finding it inefficient, he goes back to super saiyan 2 and finishes the fight

[@SuperBlueGamer9000]

I hope he uses his version of SS2 that we saw in DBZ kakarot where he made a new version of SS2 that rivaled SS3

[@Hawkcam1996]

@ The problem with that is he would *already* know it’s too inefficient. For two reasons. One, he’s *seen* it’s inefficient when Goku used it in the Buu Saga. And two, he would’ve unlocked this form by now if he was trying to, through training like Goku and Gotenks did, so he’d experience its inefficiency himself before now. We’re talking about someone who only went as far as Super Saiyan Grade 2 in the Cell Saga and chose not to even pursue Super Saiyan Grade 3 for similar reasons. He already knew Super Saiyan Grade 3 would be too inefficient before he ever even saw it because of his experience with Super Saiyan Grade 2. So it makes no sense for him to try to unlock Super Saiyan 3 before realizing it's too inefficient. he should *already* know that. So the only way it would make even a little sense is if he somehow unlocks it *by accident* during a fight, instead of unlocking it through training like Goku and Gotenks did.

[@Hawkcam1996]

@@SuperBlueGamer9000 Are you referring to Super Vegeta 2? Because that was a thing long before DBZ Kakarot.

[@shantanuumrani9163]

That guy is Zeno's grand pa or something??

[@MrBandit972]

Feel like 11 will show more about the old namkain. Just the way it set off the episode. Just says we gonna get more about him